This might be your best video yet in terms of both editing and content. I've seen all of these alternate character arc explanations and was craving a more simple approach that works in all contexts, so thank you
you're right about the 'flat arc' not being an arc but in my job as a graphics programmer who uses a lot of maths I'm very used to the idea that things end up with somewhat oxymoronic names, for example if you had an animation going from positive arc to negative arc passing through zero (flat arc) you'd definetely still call it an arc and you would definetely use the drawArc function with a zero rather than call the drawLine function which would produce the same result. My favourite example of this in maths is an a 3 function pipeline, for example in a compiler, you often get front-end as the first function to run, and back-end as the last function to run, but it's standard to call a function between which is refered to as the 'middle end'
These videos are so jam-packed with great information, but also, from the TH-cam side of things, I find your quality of editing and music highly motivating!
I've comed to a similar conclusion about the classical narrative structure. There are essentially not multiple narrative structures, as schemes or formulas, but just two ideals: structure (order), based on conflict, and anti-structure (chaos). There's an old video by Tyler Mowery about how you can't escape the "three acts", that speaks about the essence of it, although you can dig deeper into other related topics, like "philosophical conflict". Another thing is when people talk about story chronology: it is just linear and non-linear. Understanding this is important, not for memorizing different types of story, but to understand them; how we interact with them; not as writers, but as an audience, which is the most basic thing: first you have the emotional experience; then you try to understand such emotional experience; and then you write and/or try to understand how to write.
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller dear Joe, is it my comment you are talking about on the newest video? If it's I am really really sorry. I just wanted to match the word Joe and tell something funny. If it isn't funny and not cool please let me know. This video really made me happy and that why I wanted to put the word 'cup of Joe ' and say something. Please forgive me if you find it offensive. English is not my mother language so I may not understand very well some parts of it. I'm really sorry if it was my comment 😟 Please let me know if I am over thinking b'cs I am really upset if it was me.
@@jemajoy8839 Hey, I love your comments! In my latest video I was addressing people who are spiteful and say mean things. You're one of my favourite viewers, and I loved your cup of tea comment, especially because I love a good cup of tea too, haha!
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller oh... Is that so. Thank you for letting me. I'm sorry that you have to meet mean people like that. But it can't be avoided because they are everywhere. But I think letting them know you don't give a thing about them is a very good idea. When ever I see a comment like that I report them. And Joe, I'm happy that you like my comments. I will be supporting you and wish you the very best. ❤ P. S. - I'm kinda of embarrassed about my over thinking habit. I will try to not to do that again. Looking forward for your next upload 👍
What can I say, this is the work of art...and I mean it!! I really enjoy watching your videos and learnt a lot from them as well :D Love the editing too, you really have so many different skills, wow. (my apologies to anyone reading this comment, I don't speak English well)
I'm curious whether or not you think character arcs are a necessity in writing, since stuff like adventure stories aren't really about personal change, but rather about... Going on an adventure
I mean you still need to have a good character, cause if the character is boring your story is more likely to be boring. Also depends on what point of view you are. Pls take my answer a grain of salt
My problem is that other writers overcomplicate their explanation of character arcs. It's hard to pin down and feel like you got it. I have that problem with Weiland's book Creating Character Arcs. It's not easy in the practicality. Hard to apply it. Thanks for the video! It's helpful.
I supposed how a character change relies on the events you create for them in the story. This was going to be my next video. I cut it from this one and may or may not put it out.
I haven't watched your channel since before Christmas, I liked it then but love it now. Presentation and breaking stuff down simply no matter how obvious it may be is really useful to me. As a new writer I tend to some times overcomplicate things 🙃 Do you have any advice on finding a writers group based on skill level?
Hey Joe. I'm so grateful I found this channel. My story has improved a lot after watching your videos. Usually I don't ask others for advice while writing a story, as at the end I can't feel that satisfaction that the whole story came from me. But this time i think I need your advice. My protagonist has DID (also known as multiple Or split personality) and I'm not going to reveal this until the very end. But need to give some hidden hints to the audience. How can i do this? Also, how can i make that reveal so that it looks satisfying? (This story is for a film..)
Any unusual events that happen earlier that they were there for but don't remember. Maybe they do something that later they're convinced they didn't do. Or maybe they say an opinion of theirs earlier and it's different to an opinion they have later, but they're certain that they've never held a different opinion.
Have you read “Tell me your dreams” by Sydney Sheldon? You might be interested in that. I read it about 25 years ago but it’s a book I’ll never forget. Something about your story sounds similar to his. And the way he revealed it in the end. It was just wow. Maybe that can give you some idea.
This might be your best video yet in terms of both editing and content. I've seen all of these alternate character arc explanations and was craving a more simple approach that works in all contexts, so thank you
Thank you! I'm so glad you found it helpful too :D
you're right about the 'flat arc' not being an arc but in my job as a graphics programmer who uses a lot of maths I'm very used to the idea that things end up with somewhat oxymoronic names, for example if you had an animation going from positive arc to negative arc passing through zero (flat arc) you'd definetely still call it an arc and you would definetely use the drawArc function with a zero rather than call the drawLine function which would produce the same result. My favourite example of this in maths is an a 3 function pipeline, for example in a compiler, you often get front-end as the first function to run, and back-end as the last function to run, but it's standard to call a function between which is refered to as the 'middle end'
I particularly enjoy the "what the fuck arc". Very satisfying. It seems most realistic, it resembles how I go through life.
These videos are so jam-packed with great information, but also, from the TH-cam side of things, I find your quality of editing and music highly motivating!
Thank you Brian! :D
I've comed to a similar conclusion about the classical narrative structure. There are essentially not multiple narrative structures, as schemes or formulas, but just two ideals: structure (order), based on conflict, and anti-structure (chaos). There's an old video by Tyler Mowery about how you can't escape the "three acts", that speaks about the essence of it, although you can dig deeper into other related topics, like "philosophical conflict". Another thing is when people talk about story chronology: it is just linear and non-linear.
Understanding this is important, not for memorizing different types of story, but to understand them; how we interact with them; not as writers, but as an audience, which is the most basic thing: first you have the emotional experience; then you try to understand such emotional experience; and then you write and/or try to understand how to write.
Incredible comment! 🙌
You’ve left me speechless…wow! That was amaaaaaazing!!!!!!
Aw thank you so much! I do try 😄
Peak Joe Webb video making and NOONE can prove me wrong
I love this comment!
Joe, I think you just found your cup of Joe ☕
Acting + Writing advice 👍
Haha, brilliant! ☕️ I think you’re right!
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller dear Joe, is it my comment you are talking about on the newest video? If it's I am really really sorry. I just wanted to match the word Joe and tell something funny. If it isn't funny and not cool please let me know. This video really made me happy and that why I wanted to put the word 'cup of Joe ' and say something. Please forgive me if you find it offensive. English is not my mother language so I may not understand very well some parts of it. I'm really sorry if it was my comment 😟
Please let me know if I am over thinking b'cs I am really upset if it was me.
@@jemajoy8839 Hey, I love your comments! In my latest video I was addressing people who are spiteful and say mean things. You're one of my favourite viewers, and I loved your cup of tea comment, especially because I love a good cup of tea too, haha!
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller oh... Is that so. Thank you for letting me.
I'm sorry that you have to meet mean people like that. But it can't be avoided because they are everywhere. But I think letting them know you don't give a thing about them is a very good idea. When ever I see a comment like that I report them. And Joe, I'm happy that you like my comments. I will be supporting you and wish you the very best. ❤
P. S. - I'm kinda of embarrassed about my over thinking habit. I will try to not to do that again. Looking forward for your next upload 👍
11/10 video! Very helpful and clear! Thank youu
LOVE the visuals and categorical arcs, moral, etc. Terrific descriptions, thank you!
What can I say, this is the work of art...and I mean it!! I really enjoy watching your videos and learnt a lot from them as well :D Love the editing too, you really have so many different skills, wow. (my apologies to anyone reading this comment, I don't speak English well)
Aw, thank you so much Michelle :D (Perfect English, by the way!)
Honestly, I felt like I was back in math class... Loved it!
Thanks Anna! You must've had a crazy teacher, haha XD
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller More like crazy fellow students... XD
I'm curious whether or not you think character arcs are a necessity in writing, since stuff like adventure stories aren't really about personal change, but rather about... Going on an adventure
I suppose it all depends on what you think makes a good story.
I mean you still need to have a good character, cause if the character is boring your story is more likely to be boring. Also depends on what point of view you are. Pls take my answer a grain of salt
Yes you are lovable and even more after this video 💟
Thanks Sahil! I try ;)
Amazing video! You put a lot of effort to your videos, they deserve more views! 🤩
Thank you Oyun! :D
Great video!! Very helpful
You are soo underrated. Great vidoes
Thank you cool random user!
Have you published any books? I would love to read your work and see how you apply what I learn from your videos!
Just my own personal writings
My problem is that other writers overcomplicate their explanation of character arcs. It's hard to pin down and feel like you got it. I have that problem with Weiland's book Creating Character Arcs. It's not easy in the practicality. Hard to apply it. Thanks for the video! It's helpful.
Hey there random user. Feel the same.
Great videos! Please keep making them!
This is the exact channel I needed
I’m so glad! 😁
Character not changing? Not thinking either.
Great when he's Joe-king 😏😂
Thanks for simplifying. Can you do one on beats vs scenes? I find that confusing.
Truly excellent.
What about how it changes?
I supposed how a character change relies on the events you create for them in the story. This was going to be my next video. I cut it from this one and may or may not put it out.
I haven't watched your channel since before Christmas, I liked it then but love it now.
Presentation and breaking stuff down simply no matter how obvious it may be is really useful to me. As a new writer I tend to some times overcomplicate things 🙃
Do you have any advice on finding a writers group based on skill level?
This video is excellent and underrated. 😕
Amazing
This guide describes what a character arc is but not how to write one.
Ah, thanks. Title has been changed.
Wow, my first time seeing these many arcs. Will have to say, arc 11 was the most human of all.😂
Hey Joe.
I'm so grateful I found this channel. My story has improved a lot after watching your videos.
Usually I don't ask others for advice while writing a story, as at the end I can't feel that satisfaction that the whole story came from me. But this time i think I need your advice.
My protagonist has DID (also known as multiple Or split personality) and I'm not going to reveal this until the very end. But need to give some hidden hints to the audience. How can i do this? Also, how can i make that reveal so that it looks satisfying? (This story is for a film..)
Any unusual events that happen earlier that they were there for but don't remember. Maybe they do something that later they're convinced they didn't do. Or maybe they say an opinion of theirs earlier and it's different to an opinion they have later, but they're certain that they've never held a different opinion.
@@JoeWebb-TheStoryteller Yes! Thanks a lot!!
Have you read “Tell me your dreams” by Sydney Sheldon? You might be interested in that. I read it about 25 years ago but it’s a book I’ll never forget. Something about your story sounds similar to his. And the way he revealed it in the end. It was just wow. Maybe that can give you some idea.
The No-Nonsense Guide To Writing A Character Arc