I have a lot of thoughts on this, I won’t be able to talk about it fully until I get back from BlizzCon, but in the meantime check out my streams at twitch.tv/esfandtv !
@@mattgee4867 but this way it unites (even though forcefully) the playerbase. So less people would feel being left behind. Also, it naturally shakenes up the meta, which is always good
@@_stefan7589 wdym the random enchant system from ascension is exactly that. you choose diff enchants on ur gear and alter/gain abilities just like they do in Som2. doesnt rly stop with the rune system they introduce here, mages being able to heal and other dpsers being able to tank comes pretty close to ascension
Season of discovery is quite promising, I'm coming around to the idea of slow and gradual changes to vanilla to eventually give us something adjacent to Classic+
@@arthurhyatt8964 Yeah but people were more in line to seeing something like turtle wow. I get both sides of the argument. Whether you view it as classic + in itself of a precursor to more things added, overall, I don’t think people should judge too hastily. I bet it will be good fun once servers go live and they increase the cap and allow more changes to be seen! Anyone know if they released a release date on the new season? I didn’t watch the reveal too closely. Had it on in background while leveling on HC. Cheers y’all!
@@paneoce not with classic, with vanilla. I get the vanilla experience was different because we didnt know the game and it felt more challenging. After years playing this I understand we now go through classic like butter, congratulations. My point is, it was way better when it felt harder.
This is really their first attempt at Classic+. I hope everyone gives it a try to show blizzard that we support fresh classic content I think it’s about time they make some horizontal content for classic. Excited to see what blizzard learns from this and how it grows.
I think season of Discovery is clearly a test bed. It's meant to gauge interest in Classic+, and also I bet it's meant to test if certain changes are changing the game too much from what makes it "classic" I'm positive about this honestly. It is not what I had hoped, but that's ok. It's in the same vein and on the face of it, it seems like a test that's going to get us to where we want to go, which is full fledged Classic+.
I feel like the main purpose of this season is to give the players something to do for 3-12 months (like official hc has) and build up hype so that the devs can have more time to make the actual classic+ undisturbed. And I'm not saying it is a bad thing. This video doesn't yet reveal the full extent of what there is to be discovered, but let's hope for more horizontal content. It's probably not going to involve anything that takes actual effort to make (as in actually new and not borrowed content from expansions), such as zones and dungeons that would take artists weeks/months to make from scratch; With the amount of time they had to make this season, if they use assets that already exist they can put more stuff in, as copy&paste with some alterations is so much easier and faster to do than something genuinely new and gives us more for less in a 3-12 month life cycle season like this. So, I am expecting to see the same old world, no new mines or new mine layouts, no new bridges and roads, no new villages and definitely no new house designs, no new mountain passes that lead to a new zone. Not yet, at least. I personally would love to be able to painstakingly level up a character of non-vanilla race to max level through hard quests and challenging zones that I haven't done before, but I understand the truth to be that the amount of resources it would take to develop new content for that entire journey is not something they likely had for this season. For comparison's sake, vanilla took years (3-5?) to make and had a team of... 40 towards the end? I am hoping that any work towards classic+ will have at least that kind of resources at their disposal. At least a year of development time so it's actually going to have new and original content, not just hastily made changes to some numbers in the database, and a big enough a content development team that we will have new zones/continents to explore.
I genuinely with all my heart wish WoW (classic and retail) all had horizontal progression instead of vertical. It makes the game feel sooooo much bigger.
Honestly i'm just so happy we're actually getting Classic+ in one form or another. This is what we always wanted and you guys made it happen. I'm so proud of this community.
It's so strange because it feels like what the players asked for was simpler that redesigning and rebalancing every spec. They wanted more content while leveling and more things to do end game as well. They wanted more dungeons, not changing a dungeon to a raid for example. This seems way more fun than season of mastery, but not what we all hoped for either.
yeah mate, but for the first time in a very long time, their new content has actually gotten me excited to jump back in. I dont count vanilla classic cuz that was re used content xD
Looks pretty fun, only thing I don't like is the use of the MoP demon form for warlocks. They should use the old gray dreadlord model instead, the MoP model looks out of palce.
@@vergil8833 Demon form was in wotlk too but you are right. Warlocks are strong enough already. They don't need or deserve anything new. Hopefully there is a pvp balance update in classic+.
Its exactly what ppl wanted: updated classes, content in classic and slow pace, i really don t understand why alot of players complain. It will be mental... full time metamorph lock tank cmon its so thematic
I want new content that maintains the feel of classic. I don’t want new content with the feel of wotlk. Seeing a pally tank out dps everyone is a hard pass for me. HARD pass.
It looks neat. Though it does kinda push it to feel more like retail. Like things like a taunt, crusader strike, martyrdom seal all look like great changes which fit the classic theme. with crusader strike just giving ret a new button to press, martyrdom supplying a support effect through mana regen to help teammates and the taunt which should be pretty baseline for tanks . But when you start to get to stuff like rebuke and beacon it does start getting to the point where classes just start getting everything and the uniqueness of classes start fading away
As a paladin player I really hope they have seal swapping. That was really fun in TBC I love to hear exorcism is castable on players. We'll see how they execute though but will give this a go
@@EsfandTV Seal twisting is one of the most unique and coolest thing Retributions ever had. In SoD with all the new crazy builds and runes options. It makes little sense for them not adding twisting as a build option for paladins who want to do it.
This time around I’ll be rolling paladin. I’m counting on YOU Esfand to provide the way of the light. Very excited for this game. I won’t call it vanilla however, it feels like our favorite world and classes that have new possibilities to make sure everyone has something they can play and enjoy with out all the million expansions. Something huge for our classic world. I’m so excited to test this out with everyone on the 30th
DUDE THATS AWESOME. I have many things to try and see. I hope we will get original Karazhan as intented at first back in 2004, the gigantic tower with its crypts and other parts. Im so excited and thank you for showing the first look Esfand, I love you ❤
@@TheMorninGlory23 Well, later I have watched and now I have the hope. I grew up with this game and I am emotionally attached. I have the hope that Blizzard will not fail us and give what we desire as the community.
After watching the panel that expanded on what Esfand was playing here, consider me hyped. Looking like ACTUAL Classic+ with the Karazhan Crypts tease.
glad to see them going for a tweaked classic, though i gotta say i'm a bit worried that it's going to feel a lot like retail where it feels like every class can fill every role and it hardly matters for group and raid comps, and also the loss of more rock/paper/scissors when it comes to pvp
@@highguycomics3869 season of discovery is literally beta for classic+ Blizzard wants feedback, it’s the entire point of it Women don’t like idiots that make meaningless comments and can’t understand what the hell is going on
They added some abilities from original WoW beta that they removed from the Vanilla Release. Season of Discovery is for sure a BETA for CLASSIC +. They can try whatever they want and test it and at the end they will add what it works to the permanent Classic + Version.
I'm not even worried about DPSs so much, just excited to see how viable ret paladin is and how much fun it looks overall. I don't play WoW much anymore but with the 25 cap this seems approachable for the casual dad-gamer.
Looks promising, not perfect, but a lot better than I dared hope for. What remains to be seen is where the generic difficulty level of the season will be in terms of game numbers. Are non-elite world enemies going to be pink misted in two seconds of solo combat, or will the fights last as long as they do in classic vanilla - is the tbc/wotlk power creep there in those numbers with no enemy hp/difficulty adjustments? A big plus for opening up raid content prior to max level.
Imagine the damage if he used consecration, he literally had a time for 1 more spell in his rotation during other spells cooldowns, he doesn’t even have it on spellbars :D
I'm conflicted about this. In one hand it's great seeing new content being added and classes having some spells they need like pala taunt. On the other hand the game got worse over the years as all the classes could do everything (kick, taunt, stun, health restore, etc) and a part of made classic so good was that all classes felt very different from each other. I feel like yes they should add spells and tweak a few things but from looking at this it might of gone too far? Like Esfand says it kind of looks like a beta so hopefully Blizz will take feedback onboard as they develop.
Yes I think so too. They went too far. Now every Healer is a Group Healer and some Classes get an Interupt. Mage is a Healer even tho they dont have the Talent Tree for it. A lot more Aoe and less going oom. Taunts for Paladins or something like a Watershield for Shamans is great and the Raid and Levelcap is fine too. Dislike also that you have to do a Quest to get the runes and they are unpredictable in PvP because you never know what runes they have. Would have prefered new Talent Trees or something like that.
Some people want Old school Runescape way. Expanding on classic not changing core of game. How much depends on person. For example healing mages can change class identity. I'm not starting argue with You just trying to answer the question.
People still want slower gameplay with some balance so some specs can be little bit better,no1 wanted this,this is to much for classic content,no1 wants to press 10 buttons rotation, that's why classic is popular even today after 20 years. I don't think people wanted spells from wotlk or cata. And new content doesn't mean convert dungeon that already exists into raid, I think if they just rebalanced some unplayable specs and give people Karazan,a lot of them will be happy
there will be balancing for sure man I hate to say it but we are essentially gonna be like beta testers of the actual classic + that we want lol. Either way it will be enjoyable because it will be vanilla but with an unresolved meta@@aleksadmitrovic940
First that I heard Seal of Matyrer would be in the game I was instantly hooked. Not able to seal twist is a little bit of a downer, maybe they think about to implement after the first part (lvl 25 cap)... Ret in TBC was so unique to play.
Agreed i fell in love with seal twisting in BC and was dissapointed in wrath when it wasnt viable due to pally gameplay changes and have been craving for it to be back hopefully with feed back they will add it back as an option
It looks like this season is an experiment on how they might do a classic +, but from the looks of things, it's a mashing of TBC, Wrath and Retail for gameplay and boss design, with the older loot system. It's kind of worrying that a single boss has more mechanics than the entirety of molten core combined, and the classes feel off. Basically gears where oiled when they only needed to be spit shinned, while other parts that could use touch ups, 5 min blessings for example, weren't touched. I'm worried they'll kill of the casual and social crowd with these changes, especially if 25 is max level. Classic raids are 20-40 man, calling a 10 man that feels out of place and out of touch, like they don't understand the different aspects that make Classic what it is, which is the most worrying part.
Buddy. They LITERALLY ANNOUNCED THAT 25 WAS NOT MAX LEVEL. Fuck me this is actually insane. They said they would be raising the level after a few months... it's a testing ground for changes so of course they're going to go wild and see what sticks. If you want this to work, get on it, play it, and provide feedback with people to influence its direction. But don't just post blatantly ignorant shit day -1.
Yea personally I don't think this is the right direction for classic+ personally. Rune system will get complicated very quickly very fast when incorporating proc item effects, buffs, consumables, talents, abilities. I would prefer smaller scale changes like just having items with special effects like the katana that dropped. It will interesting to play with nonetheless
Its important to point out that they start at 25 with "pre raid" Bis. on release you will level and get good gear from quests ect. The cool thing is that the meta wont be solved on release like normal 60 servers are
Wouldn't a casual crowd like 10 man raids way more? Doesn't seem like it's pushing them away with anything shown here. In fact this seems way more casual friendly than classic.
People saying this is classic + have lost their minds and are coping that blizzard didn’t announce it at blizzcon. This is literally just sticking a bunch of random ass retail abilities into the classic client. Increased leveling speed, level cap at 25 (that they’re slowly increasing????), homogenizing classes? This is literally just a gimmick server. None of this has anything to do with what makes classic wow, classic wow. It’s insane to me that people eat this stuff up. You might as well just go play retail? That’s what this is
I hope they'll revive the elemental damage like fire/frost/shadow that appear on some items but never again in later itemization! Warlock melee was also one of my wish because you get something to enchant your weapons to do fire damage on melee... which was a cool idea!
Paladin tanks can still be crushed and crit at level 25. A paladin that invests in the full defensive line of runes will be auto attacking, so Divine Storm, Hand of Reckoning, and Exorcism is probably the best setup. Warriors can also be crushed and crit, so we'll see how dual wield devastate works before I judge them as they really don't get new defensives other than Tclap in d-stance. Bears made out much better; they'll take 20% less damage than current bears and will never be crit, and with a windfury/mangle cat druid in the raid they will be able to stack lacerate on a mangled target, and may still be able to farm MCPs with help. Bears are looking really good.
Crazy idea: What if Blizzard is setting up a huge apocalypse in retail while fixing old things in classic, and then the last world saga raid will destroy and reset Azeroth to what classic becomes over the years
thats... literally the worst idea ive ever heard. both from the business standpoint for blizzard,and for the players. Retail players play retail and not classic for a reason,same way classic players play classic and not retail for a reason.
@@nickclark2295 thats literally only your opinion. I and many others like current retail. Every game goes through dogshit times but holy shit i would rather quit wow than literally go back to 2009 graphics and gameplay just cause someone can't learn to let go of nostalgia.
@NGBH Numbers don't lie, guy. You're basically playing arcade mode in retail. It's gross, and nothing you do has any real meaning because everything scales.
@@nickclark2295 bro actually said "dont lie." Who the fuck? I dont have a single reason to lie. People like playing retail. Maybe get your head out of that nostalgia trip and youll realise not everyone likes being stuck in the past.
Yeah, I of course don't know much yet. But it SEEMS to be already way over the top from what I hoped for. It's not some changes to the core game its like something completely different. Ascension is some fun here and there but I rather would have had classic with SOME changes to make hybrids more viable and not a complete revamp of classes. I actually feel like this is going the wrong direction, but time will tell..
Never was a fan of things like that either. Like if you're a mage you're suppose to do damage but you're squishy. That's the point. But they're trying something different and in my opinion, it's better than nothing. Everyone is saying like " yeah they don't take any risks blabla ". Not a fan of the system, but I'm like Savix. Pretty optimistic.
Well currently it’s just a season of discovery which will last for a few months and be deleted so it’s not a huge problem. Gives them a chance to test out skills which could be included in classic plus. Tweaking talent trees and a few skill adjustments would have made the majority a lot more happier though.
While I never played Paladin, this has me thinking I might be playing WoW again for the first time in ages. This was great, thanks for the video cause I've missed a lot of Blizzcon!
Iv never played season of mastery. Does it work in a way when after the season enda the realm restarts and you lose every character or what ?? Same in discovery??
Ret is BACK BABY. my wife is going to be playing feral and bringing that windfury and I'm just going to absolutely melt people. Low key no one is talking about the fact avengers shield doesn't say it requires a shield so ret has a slow as well. Huuuuuge change.
Hybrid class could make parties complicated in contrast to designated class that performs best for their roles. im excited, like a newborn relearning things and with how my team will synergize. it does offer a dynamic and in-depth gameplay variety and gives importance to individuality. seems(?) beneficial for small parties or solo?
I only hope that there’s a challenge to getting the runes. Being able to have 4 new amazing abilities at 25 seems a little too easy. Should be able to unlock one rune slot per 25,40,60
Just want to say I'm the first person to say Ascension Obviously Ascension If you guys didn't notice it's just ascension Did you see how like ascension this is? No one noticed this but me. I'm so smart.
I'm curious about twisting mechanics in SoD. Although, at 7:41, you say the new SoM cannot be twisted, it seems to me that the problem is in SoC, as it might be canceling other seals. Further into the video, e.g. at 11:15, you change SoR into SoM and for a moment both are up. However, the same does not happen at 12:42, when you change from SoM into SoC. Maybe the play will be to SoR into SoM? I hope so, as I love the seal twisting mechanic. And is it me or is SoC having a 100% chance to proc throughout the whole video?
What are they thinking giving Divine Storm AND Crusader Strike to Palas at lvl 25? Theyre just back to being WotLK Pala's again... Same mistake as when Wrath launched.
right now we have warrior and druid. it makes sense to add paladin but do you really think giving rogue and mage tanks are a good idea? You think allowing every class to tank/heal is a good design choice?
@@blakediesRogues is a long lasting myth that started in wows alpha all the way back in 2003/2004 when rogues were able to use bucklers. There are no mage tanks, there are warlock tanks. And that is actually also a thing a lot of players have talked about over the years. As of right now, we received 3 new tanking classes and 1 new healer. This doesnt seem that bad. Especially considering we do not know yet how viable ANY of these specs will be down the line. Like pally HAS had a tanking spec for nearly 20 years, but they werent tanking because they werent good enough for it.
I have a lot of thoughts on this, I won’t be able to talk about it fully until I get back from BlizzCon, but in the meantime check out my streams at twitch.tv/esfandtv !
hope this new wow be epic for some of us. XD
I really like the idea of level cap. It lets you explore and play more on low levels instead of just rush to 60.
No one is forced to rush to 60 though. You can explore the world already without this gatekeeping.
@@mattgee4867 but this way it unites (even though forcefully) the playerbase. So less people would feel being left behind.
Also, it naturally shakenes up the meta, which is always good
@@mattgee4867 it's always a race to 60 in every fresh and then farm gear. We need to change that so it's just not the usual stuff.
@@grinm1899 dunno, I'm not really looking forward to raiding bfd for weeks until the next level cap unlocks.
@@mattgee4867 fair enough. I don't really see myself farming classic raids too
I love the level cap idea of 25, 40, 50 and 60. World pvp going to be fun af at 25
gonna be a shite show in ashenvale, being connected to this dungeon
The "rune" system is extremely similar to Ascension WoW mystic enchant system. Nice to see Blizz going back to their roots of copying good systems
Yeah my first thought too
It's nothing alike - that's random, this one is thematic.
Isn’t Ascension very similar to something else though?
ppl like you will always find something to complain and bitch about for the rest of your life, making your opinion irrelevant
@@_stefan7589 wdym the random enchant system from ascension is exactly that. you choose diff enchants on ur gear and alter/gain abilities just like they do in Som2. doesnt rly stop with the rune system they introduce here, mages being able to heal and other dpsers being able to tank comes pretty close to ascension
Season of discovery is quite promising, I'm coming around to the idea of slow and gradual changes to vanilla to eventually give us something adjacent to Classic+
If we can get a voting system, it’ll be the biggest win the community and blizzard could have. It’s just all around a win win!
It will turn into Classic RuneScape
This is classic+
@@arthurhyatt8964 Yeah but people were more in line to seeing something like turtle wow. I get both sides of the argument. Whether you view it as classic + in itself of a precursor to more things added, overall, I don’t think people should judge too hastily. I bet it will be good fun once servers go live and they increase the cap and allow more changes to be seen! Anyone know if they released a release date on the new season? I didn’t watch the reveal too closely. Had it on in background while leveling on HC. Cheers y’all!
Being that they teased Kara Crypts raid, it's definitely gonna get some totally new stuff as opposed to only dungeons reimagined as raids.
Would rather spend 2 hours inside a challeging dungeon then 2 hours doing dailies
Did you really link the word challenging with classic
@@paneoce not with classic, with vanilla. I get the vanilla experience was different because we didnt know the game and it felt more challenging. After years playing this I understand we now go through classic like butter, congratulations.
My point is, it was way better when it felt harder.
Its not a classic+ but its like a first step towards it, they wanna get peoples feel and see what changes would be good. I like it!
Hope so my friend, miss the community and slow paced dungorns where cc was needed.
if this is not classic+, then what is classic+ to you? what do you want out of it?
@@morkan17nobody cc in classic either, people are too good at the game these days
It's more like they're doing the bare minimum. Ffs they are ripping off features from a WoW private server
this is basically Ascension WoW, great community driven system. But not Classic+@@Ethanasia
As a long-time Ret main I was dreaming of Crus Strike and other abilities in Vanilla. Can't believe its finally happening... HYPE
This is really their first attempt at Classic+. I hope everyone gives it a try to show blizzard that we support fresh classic content
I think it’s about time they make some horizontal content for classic. Excited to see what blizzard learns from this and how it grows.
I think season of Discovery is clearly a test bed. It's meant to gauge interest in Classic+, and also I bet it's meant to test if certain changes are changing the game too much from what makes it "classic"
I'm positive about this honestly. It is not what I had hoped, but that's ok. It's in the same vein and on the face of it, it seems like a test that's going to get us to where we want to go, which is full fledged Classic+.
yes and i dont understand the haters just let them cook
Whilst I do support classic plus content, I cannot, in good conscience, support blizzard anymore
I feel like the main purpose of this season is to give the players something to do for 3-12 months (like official hc has) and build up hype so that the devs can have more time to make the actual classic+ undisturbed. And I'm not saying it is a bad thing.
This video doesn't yet reveal the full extent of what there is to be discovered, but let's hope for more horizontal content. It's probably not going to involve anything that takes actual effort to make (as in actually new and not borrowed content from expansions), such as zones and dungeons that would take artists weeks/months to make from scratch; With the amount of time they had to make this season, if they use assets that already exist they can put more stuff in, as copy&paste with some alterations is so much easier and faster to do than something genuinely new and gives us more for less in a 3-12 month life cycle season like this. So, I am expecting to see the same old world, no new mines or new mine layouts, no new bridges and roads, no new villages and definitely no new house designs, no new mountain passes that lead to a new zone. Not yet, at least.
I personally would love to be able to painstakingly level up a character of non-vanilla race to max level through hard quests and challenging zones that I haven't done before, but I understand the truth to be that the amount of resources it would take to develop new content for that entire journey is not something they likely had for this season. For comparison's sake, vanilla took years (3-5?) to make and had a team of... 40 towards the end? I am hoping that any work towards classic+ will have at least that kind of resources at their disposal. At least a year of development time so it's actually going to have new and original content, not just hastily made changes to some numbers in the database, and a big enough a content development team that we will have new zones/continents to explore.
I genuinely with all my heart wish WoW (classic and retail) all had horizontal progression instead of vertical.
It makes the game feel sooooo much bigger.
The worst part is deciding what to play. So many fun specs to try now
Honestly i'm just so happy we're actually getting Classic+ in one form or another. This is what we always wanted and you guys made it happen. I'm so proud of this community.
It's so strange because it feels like what the players asked for was simpler that redesigning and rebalancing every spec. They wanted more content while leveling and more things to do end game as well. They wanted more dungeons, not changing a dungeon to a raid for example.
This seems way more fun than season of mastery, but not what we all hoped for either.
yeah mate, but for the first time in a very long time, their new content has actually gotten me excited to jump back in. I dont count vanilla classic cuz that was re used content xD
what new content all i see is upscaled dungeons? @@pedroj3432
Blizzard finally stealing ideas from private servers i love it
The scond bracket whether 35 or 40 better give us a scarlet monastery raid. Could you imagine how badass that would be
yeah and I love there is no huge focus on gear, people can just jump right in.
Shadowfang keep raid dude
It does 25,40,50, then 60, alrdy been confirmed the level brackets
Im happy theyre taking these steps and will definitely be trying it out.
Looks pretty fun, only thing I don't like is the use of the MoP demon form for warlocks. They should use the old gray dreadlord model instead, the MoP model looks out of palce.
MoP demon form? This meta was introduced in Wotlk dude.
@@balazsaradi Looks crazy out of place, but makes sense, thats when they laid the ground work for the change in artstyle.
@@vergil8833 Demon form was in wotlk too but you are right. Warlocks are strong enough already. They don't need or deserve anything new. Hopefully there is a pvp balance update in classic+.
@@zafer5491 I want them to have this ability, I just wish they had used the similar vanilla model that exists.
Its exactly what ppl wanted: updated classes, content in classic and slow pace, i really don t understand why alot of players complain. It will be mental... full time metamorph lock tank cmon its so thematic
anyone complaining has the brain of a chipmunk.. people will cry over everything nowadays. Probably asmon viewers most of them.
fr man im so pumped its what i wanted the world of vanilla with new changes and content! Im excited for SM raid and Kara Crypt raid lol
I want new content that maintains the feel of classic. I don’t want new content with the feel of wotlk. Seeing a pally tank out dps everyone is a hard pass for me. HARD pass.
It looks neat. Though it does kinda push it to feel more like retail. Like things like a taunt, crusader strike, martyrdom seal all look like great changes which fit the classic theme. with crusader strike just giving ret a new button to press, martyrdom supplying a support effect through mana regen to help teammates and the taunt which should be pretty baseline for tanks . But when you start to get to stuff like rebuke and beacon it does start getting to the point where classes just start getting everything and the uniqueness of classes start fading away
Paladin looks like so much fun! AOE damage 😮 Great support spells, & Paladins look like beast tanks! Let’s go
Blizzard knows seasons for classic is a gold mine. Every single classic player will play seasons. And classic recently has blown up once again.
As a paladin player I really hope they have seal swapping. That was really fun in TBC I love to hear exorcism is castable on players. We'll see how they execute though but will give this a go
A couple devs were asking me about seal twisting outside of the con, we’ll see where it goes
Sounds good bud keep up the good content!
1. you dont even know it was twisting not swapping 2. it sucked ass, was obnoxious af.
Seal twisting will come at the cost of Crusader Strike seal procs.
@@EsfandTV Seal twisting is one of the most unique and coolest thing Retributions ever had. In SoD with all the new crazy builds and runes options. It makes little sense for them not adding twisting as a build option for paladins who want to do it.
Nice to see Blizzard learning from both Ascension and Twow, we need more of that.
I'm not a big classic player, but all those stuff made me so excited to play
Getting excited for features that have been in the modern game for over 12 years is wild lol. This is what modern gaming is.
Holy crap are we going to have fun with this stuff - Its going to be like a 2005 PVP bonanza!!
This time around I’ll be rolling paladin. I’m counting on YOU Esfand to provide the way of the light. Very excited for this game. I won’t call it vanilla however, it feels like our favorite world and classes that have new possibilities to make sure everyone has something they can play and enjoy with out all the million expansions. Something huge for our classic world. I’m so excited to test this out with everyone on the 30th
DUDE THATS AWESOME. I have many things to try and see. I hope we will get original Karazhan as intented at first back in 2004, the gigantic tower with its crypts and other parts. Im so excited and thank you for showing the first look Esfand, I love you ❤
They teased a pic of kara at the end of the classic deep dive :3
@@TheMorninGlory23 Well, later I have watched and now I have the hope. I grew up with this game and I am emotionally attached. I have the hope that Blizzard will not fail us and give what we desire as the community.
After watching the panel that expanded on what Esfand was playing here, consider me hyped. Looking like ACTUAL Classic+ with the Karazhan Crypts tease.
Scarlet Crusade raid is gonna hit different same with Crypts one lol
little does esfand know he single handedly just nerfed paladins before the game ever came out
I love the warlock perm metamorphosis
glad to see them going for a tweaked classic, though i gotta say i'm a bit worried that it's going to feel a lot like retail where it feels like every class can fill every role and it hardly matters for group and raid comps, and also the loss of more rock/paper/scissors when it comes to pvp
@@highguycomics3869 season of discovery is literally beta for classic+
Blizzard wants feedback, it’s the entire point of it
Women don’t like idiots that make meaningless comments and can’t understand what the hell is going on
@@highguycomics3869damn that comment was so cool dude. This guy fucks.
I'm actually excited for this. I will be back November 30th for SoD!
This Rune system... seems like some devs played project ascension ^^
They added some abilities from original WoW beta that they removed from the Vanilla Release. Season of Discovery is for sure a BETA for CLASSIC +. They can try whatever they want and test it and at the end they will add what it works to the permanent Classic + Version.
I'm not even worried about DPSs so much, just excited to see how viable ret paladin is and how much fun it looks overall. I don't play WoW much anymore but with the 25 cap this seems approachable for the casual dad-gamer.
I didnt take a deep dive into these and kinda wrote off SoD, but after looking into it, It looks like itll be great !
Looks promising, not perfect, but a lot better than I dared hope for. What remains to be seen is where the generic difficulty level of the season will be in terms of game numbers. Are non-elite world enemies going to be pink misted in two seconds of solo combat, or will the fights last as long as they do in classic vanilla - is the tbc/wotlk power creep there in those numbers with no enemy hp/difficulty adjustments? A big plus for opening up raid content prior to max level.
Im so pumped to see the entire BRM as a 40 man raid. Im calling that one rn
Imagine the damage if he used consecration, he literally had a time for 1 more spell in his rotation during other spells cooldowns, he doesn’t even have it on spellbars :D
If a OTK tourney isnt done during Classic Discovery I will riot. Imagine the builds
Absolutely
wow. They're importing Wrath level skill changes. quite interesting. I'm intrigued, I may play vanilla for the first time in a long time.
He’s over here typing pally tanks and I’m just stoked to be a viable ret pally!
I'm conflicted about this. In one hand it's great seeing new content being added and classes having some spells they need like pala taunt. On the other hand the game got worse over the years as all the classes could do everything (kick, taunt, stun, health restore, etc) and a part of made classic so good was that all classes felt very different from each other.
I feel like yes they should add spells and tweak a few things but from looking at this it might of gone too far? Like Esfand says it kind of looks like a beta so hopefully Blizz will take feedback onboard as they develop.
Yes I think so too. They went too far. Now every Healer is a Group Healer and some Classes get an Interupt. Mage is a Healer even tho they dont have the Talent Tree for it. A lot more Aoe and less going oom. Taunts for Paladins or something like a Watershield for Shamans is great and the Raid and Levelcap is fine too. Dislike also that you have to do a Quest to get the runes and they are unpredictable in PvP because you never know what runes they have. Would have prefered new Talent Trees or something like that.
I can’t wait to play this HOLY SHIT!
This is classic+ plain and simple. Idk how people are saying it's not. Were you expecting them to call it "Classic +"?
Some people want Old school Runescape way. Expanding on classic not changing core of game. How much depends on person. For example healing mages can change class identity. I'm not starting argue with You just trying to answer the question.
People still want slower gameplay with some balance so some specs can be little bit better,no1 wanted this,this is to much for classic content,no1 wants to press 10 buttons rotation, that's why classic is popular even today after 20 years. I don't think people wanted spells from wotlk or cata. And new content doesn't mean convert dungeon that already exists into raid, I think if they just rebalanced some unplayable specs and give people Karazan,a lot of them will be happy
funny thing snutz say hey this look like retail and i kinda agree whit him on the gameplay @@aleksadmitrovic940
there will be balancing for sure man I hate to say it but we are essentially gonna be like beta testers of the actual classic + that we want lol. Either way it will be enjoyable because it will be vanilla but with an unresolved meta@@aleksadmitrovic940
its not
First that I heard Seal of Matyrer would be in the game I was instantly hooked. Not able to seal twist is a little bit of a downer, maybe they think about to implement after the first part (lvl 25 cap)... Ret in TBC was so unique to play.
Agreed i fell in love with seal twisting in BC and was dissapointed in wrath when it wasnt viable due to pally gameplay changes and have been craving for it to be back hopefully with feed back they will add it back as an option
You got CS on a 4 sec CD that proc seals instead.
If season of discovery is gonna be this good they better have a turning point for retail.
SOD is gonna rule, servers gonna be LIVE. I'm psyched to pvp at every level cap
Ashenvale pvp gonna be a mad house but epic lol
It looks like this season is an experiment on how they might do a classic +, but from the looks of things, it's a mashing of TBC, Wrath and Retail for gameplay and boss design, with the older loot system.
It's kind of worrying that a single boss has more mechanics than the entirety of molten core combined, and the classes feel off.
Basically gears where oiled when they only needed to be spit shinned, while other parts that could use touch ups, 5 min blessings for example, weren't touched.
I'm worried they'll kill of the casual and social crowd with these changes, especially if 25 is max level. Classic raids are 20-40 man, calling a 10 man that feels out of place and out of touch, like they don't understand the different aspects that make Classic what it is, which is the most worrying part.
Everybody knew that before, didnt u know?
Buddy. They LITERALLY ANNOUNCED THAT 25 WAS NOT MAX LEVEL. Fuck me this is actually insane. They said they would be raising the level after a few months... it's a testing ground for changes so of course they're going to go wild and see what sticks. If you want this to work, get on it, play it, and provide feedback with people to influence its direction. But don't just post blatantly ignorant shit day -1.
Yea personally I don't think this is the right direction for classic+ personally. Rune system will get complicated very quickly very fast when incorporating proc item effects, buffs, consumables, talents, abilities. I would prefer smaller scale changes like just having items with special effects like the katana that dropped. It will interesting to play with nonetheless
Its important to point out that they start at 25 with "pre raid" Bis. on release you will level and get good gear from quests ect. The cool thing is that the meta wont be solved on release like normal 60 servers are
Wouldn't a casual crowd like 10 man raids way more? Doesn't seem like it's pushing them away with anything shown here. In fact this seems way more casual friendly than classic.
inspired by project ascension for sure, nice one blizz ^^
So they ripped Ascension for ripping them. Fair play ig.
This isnt even close to ascension, are you high?
People saying this is classic + have lost their minds and are coping that blizzard didn’t announce it at blizzcon.
This is literally just sticking a bunch of random ass retail abilities into the classic client.
Increased leveling speed, level cap at 25 (that they’re slowly increasing????), homogenizing classes? This is literally just a gimmick server. None of this has anything to do with what makes classic wow, classic wow. It’s insane to me that people eat this stuff up. You might as well just go play retail? That’s what this is
season of discovery sounds insane!!! i can't wait to try it out!
I hope they'll revive the elemental damage like fire/frost/shadow that appear on some items but never again in later itemization!
Warlock melee was also one of my wish because you get something to enchant your weapons to do fire damage on melee... which was a cool idea!
Paladin tanks can still be crushed and crit at level 25. A paladin that invests in the full defensive line of runes will be auto attacking, so Divine Storm, Hand of Reckoning, and Exorcism is probably the best setup. Warriors can also be crushed and crit, so we'll see how dual wield devastate works before I judge them as they really don't get new defensives other than Tclap in d-stance. Bears made out much better; they'll take 20% less damage than current bears and will never be crit, and with a windfury/mangle cat druid in the raid they will be able to stack lacerate on a mangled target, and may still be able to farm MCPs with help. Bears are looking really good.
The jumping puzzle boss genuinely looks like one of the best raid encounters in all of classic lol
Crazy idea: What if Blizzard is setting up a huge apocalypse in retail while fixing old things in classic, and then the last world saga raid will destroy and reset Azeroth to what classic becomes over the years
thats... literally the worst idea ive ever heard. both from the business standpoint for blizzard,and for the players. Retail players play retail and not classic for a reason,same way classic players play classic and not retail for a reason.
@@NGBHI think it's a great idea. Retail is booty cheeks. We must reset
@@nickclark2295 thats literally only your opinion. I and many others like current retail. Every game goes through dogshit times but holy shit i would rather quit wow than literally go back to 2009 graphics and gameplay just cause someone can't learn to let go of nostalgia.
@NGBH Numbers don't lie, guy. You're basically playing arcade mode in retail. It's gross, and nothing you do has any real meaning because everything scales.
@@nickclark2295 bro actually said "dont lie." Who the fuck? I dont have a single reason to lie. People like playing retail. Maybe get your head out of that nostalgia trip and youll realise not everyone likes being stuck in the past.
I mean I’d try it but I prefer the holy trinity combat system.
I’m not a fan of mages tanking/healing it just doesn’t make much sense.
Yeah, I of course don't know much yet. But it SEEMS to be already way over the top from what I hoped for. It's not some changes to the core game its like something completely different. Ascension is some fun here and there but I rather would have had classic with SOME changes to make hybrids more viable and not a complete revamp of classes. I actually feel like this is going the wrong direction, but time will tell..
Never was a fan of things like that either. Like if you're a mage you're suppose to do damage but you're squishy. That's the point.
But they're trying something different and in my opinion, it's better than nothing.
Everyone is saying like " yeah they don't take any risks blabla ".
Not a fan of the system, but I'm like Savix. Pretty optimistic.
Well currently it’s just a season of discovery which will last for a few months and be deleted so it’s not a huge problem. Gives them a chance to test out skills which could be included in classic plus.
Tweaking talent trees and a few skill adjustments would have made the majority a lot more happier though.
That is the holy trinity still... just cause it's a new class doesn't mean it's still not tank/heal/dps ????
Says who?
@@raviel498
HAHAHA 4:45 "This guy looks like he blows the horn of Lordaeron" fucking killed me 😂😂😭😭
While I never played Paladin, this has me thinking I might be playing WoW again for the first time in ages.
This was great, thanks for the video cause I've missed a lot of Blizzcon!
22:48 i can almost hear PETRI PETRI PETRI from how much hardcore degenerated my brain :D
I hope they give us more than Crusader strike, but taunt, and CS, on top of the other changes. Once amidrassil dies down I might actually try this.
Ok. HOLY F**K!!! a runes givse us divine Storm???? Hell yes i'm going to give this a try. This is what i've been fecking waiting for!!
Esfand played this the day before and still came off excited
Thanks for the video. It sounded good at the presentation but it looks kinda cheesy. I don't see it being more popular than classic cata.
I never cry laughed so hard at someone failing to do the BFD jumps like he did
This really seems like a testing ground for classic+
This looks so good, you can tweek the classes as you want , you dont have to play that boring meta .
Iv never played season of mastery. Does it work in a way when after the season enda the realm restarts and you lose every character or what ?? Same in discovery??
Looks fun, but somehow I don't take it serious. Will 100% try it.
Ret is BACK BABY. my wife is going to be playing feral and bringing that windfury and I'm just going to absolutely melt people. Low key no one is talking about the fact avengers shield doesn't say it requires a shield so ret has a slow as well. Huuuuuge change.
Esfand doing Calculus up in here!
Ret finally gets buttons to press and sfand says he feels “spoiled” lmfao
Hybrid class could make parties complicated in contrast to designated class that performs best for their roles.
im excited, like a newborn relearning things and with how my team will synergize.
it does offer a dynamic and in-depth gameplay variety and gives importance to individuality. seems(?) beneficial for small parties or solo?
I only hope that there’s a challenge to getting the runes. Being able to have 4 new amazing abilities at 25 seems a little too easy. Should be able to unlock one rune slot per 25,40,60
Excellent video! I'm excited for the future of wow!
Just added a bunch of wotlk spells in, thats it? doesnt feel like they fit in very well with classic
Where are you seeing the rune cooldowns? I don’t see cooldown or range information anywhere.
I hope they dont go too far though, they are adding alot of later expansion stuff to Classic
Just want to say I'm the first person to say Ascension
Obviously Ascension
If you guys didn't notice it's just ascension
Did you see how like ascension this is?
No one noticed this but me.
I'm so smart.
Between this, warrior, or lock…feel like going melee is the way to go for SoD
Can't wait for the inevitable level 40 cap with Scarlet Monastery as the raid. I'll take all the Scarlet Crusade I can get.
I was listening to this while hitting some bench press and "this guy looks like he blows the horn of lordaeron" almost sent me to hospital
But I don't get how it works, you only can choose ONE rune for every piece of equipment right?
@EsfandTV why did u say that thers no twisting? Did u test it?
this is EPIC. the first boss had my DYING in laughter.
I'm curious about twisting mechanics in SoD.
Although, at 7:41, you say the new SoM cannot be twisted, it seems to me that the problem is in SoC, as it might be canceling other seals.
Further into the video, e.g. at 11:15, you change SoR into SoM and for a moment both are up. However, the same does not happen at 12:42, when you change from SoM into SoC. Maybe the play will be to SoR into SoM? I hope so, as I love the seal twisting mechanic.
And is it me or is SoC having a 100% chance to proc throughout the whole video?
PLEASE add a rune for increased paladin buff duration
so fucking pumped to try this out, i wanted some wacky shit and they made everything wacky. IM IN
12:45 that tantrum though hahaha
Blizzard made every wotlk ret paladin's vanilla recall wet dream come true.
Rofl classic with retail skills, that's the spirit 😂
What are they thinking giving Divine Storm AND Crusader Strike to Palas at lvl 25? Theyre just back to being WotLK Pala's again... Same mistake as when Wrath launched.
Why is there wind furry?
Paladins get good DPS and they instantly get warrior zug brain and pull extra stuff to cleave.
Can we seal twist with SOC and SOM ?
What class/ability was WillScarlet using to look like that?
You guys think hpal will be a good healer?
I hate the idea of allowing most classes to now heal/tank, it disrupts the feeling of strong roles and belonging that is so vital to classic.
Yah this shouldn’t be a thing
Opposed to.. only 1 class tanking? LOL
right now we have warrior and druid. it makes sense to add paladin but do you really think giving rogue and mage tanks are a good idea? You think allowing every class to tank/heal is a good design choice?
that being said if all these changes are simply to try everything out, good or bad, for a classic+ "beta" than that makes sense.@@janah6473
@@blakediesRogues is a long lasting myth that started in wows alpha all the way back in 2003/2004 when rogues were able to use bucklers. There are no mage tanks, there are warlock tanks. And that is actually also a thing a lot of players have talked about over the years. As of right now, we received 3 new tanking classes and 1 new healer. This doesnt seem that bad. Especially considering we do not know yet how viable ANY of these specs will be down the line. Like pally HAS had a tanking spec for nearly 20 years, but they werent tanking because they werent good enough for it.
Druid is going to be insane.
There is just waaaaay to m,uch going on for this to be considered classic anything.