11:37 VKunia, let me be the first to welcome you to the exciting world of royal marriages in feudal societies. Isabella of Valois was 6 years old when she married Richard II. He was 35.
3:04 I enjoy this scene because it contains subtle things that only readers would catch. 1. it is not clear if this is the if this is the Sisterhood of Rossak (the organization that would later be known as the Bene Gesserits). 2. The Sisterhood has a hierarchy (in ascending order): Acolyte, Sister, Reverend Mother, Mother Superior. There is only one Mother Superior at a time. This is important to understand what is happening with Valya and Dorotea. Raquella was the first Sister who transformed a poison using her body's chemical processes. In doing this, she became the first Reverend Mother. As head of the Sisterhood, she is the Mother Superior. Dorotea was the second Sister to become a Reverend Mother. Obviously, she believes that this entitles her to succeed Raquella as Mother Superior. However, Raquella and Dorotea had very different ideas for the direction the Sisterhood should take. Raquella was obviously more pragmatic, while Dorotea was more religious. Then comes Valya. Valya is intensely disliked by many in the Sisterhood because of the shame her great-grandfather's actions brought onto House Harkonnen. Despite that, Mother Superior wants Valya to guide the Sisterhood The problem is that the Mother Superior does not specifically name Valya as her successor. This could be the result of - Valya not yet being a Reverend Mother (unlikely) - Mother Superior Raquella not realizing that a clear order of succession needs to be set up. (Impossible, Raquella has the memories of all her female ancestors. She has countless memories of unclear successions creating problems) - Mother Superior Raquella KNOWS Valya needs to kill Dorotea, but can't say so openly. 3. The book that Valya knocks to the floor is almost certainly the "Orange Catholic Bible". I won't go into the history of it, as you can read about it in one of the appendices the first novel Dune. But the show is hammering home the idea that Valya is not going to let anything stop her from increasing the power of the Sisterhood. As Mother Superior, this will also increase Valya's power. Like I said in a previous post: Bad people doing good things for bad reasons...
I've seen a lot of people complaining it was boring or bad, but every moment of the first episode had me riveted. Feels a lot more coherent than most modern shows so far - which could be said of the movies as well. Hope it continues!
Finally someone with an independent thought, everyone else was just parroting each other about slow pace and bad writing. Like, what? those people are not watching the same show
It's worth pointing out that it's based on books by Brian Herbert, who is Frank Herbert's son. Frank Herbert wrote the succesful books, whereas Brian expanded on the universe with his books. Most people who've read both authors strongly prefer Frank. This show is probably good, but it's worth pointing out.
I've heard it's based on after a certain trilogy (Sisterhood of Dune or something,) and this is it's own thing. Though, it's still, I think, written by Brian Herbert, so ... we'll see how it goes. (I COULD BE WRONG just pointing that out)
17:54 Just to be clear, this is not the same Baron Harkonnen from the films. And I may have mentioned this earlier, but I'll point it out again: "Baron" is a very low ranking noble. In the British monarchy, it is the lowest rank of noble.
5:55 I'm pretty sure that in the books, Raquella was the first person to use Voice. However, this was probably a very primitive form of Voice. I don't recall if it was mentioned in the novels, but I believe the best explanation is that when Raquella became a Reverend Mother and gained all the memories of her female ancestors, she discovered that at some point in the past humans had attempted to develop Voice. It could be the past attempts failed, or the skills were hidden/destroyed. Raquella may have taught Valya these skills, or it is possible that Valya discovered them them on her own when she became a Reverend Mother. Being a person desperate to accumulate power, I think it is more likely that Valya went hunting through her ancestral memories for anything that could help her gain power. Being Raquella's granddaughter, Dorotea would certainly have had access to those memories. However, her religious beliefs would probably have made her see the Voice as a sacrilege against the sanctity of the human mind. Being an early form of Voice would also explain why Valya's Voice is different from what we hear in the films. By the time of the films, Valya's primitive Voice had been refined over 10 thousand years.
7:21 Oh, I have my suspicions about why Valya is preventing House Harkonnen from having a Truthsayer, but I'll keep those dark thoughts to myself for the time being...
I read the original Frank Herbert Dune books, after watching the 1984 Dune movie. Great reading. Enjoy watching your reactions! (You're a Scorpio, like my late wife.) I'm a Libra(10/17), only 47 years older than you. Keep-up the good work. 👍👸❤
1:46 Oh, boy. We start the show out with lies. Valya is engaging in some revisionist history. During the Butlerian Jihad, when Omnius (the big bad machine) blockaded itself on Corrin, a human shield was put in orbit to protect it. (Almost 3 million people were stuck in pods rigged to blow if the human fleet approached.) Vorian Atreides was determined to destroy Omnius, and IMO rightfully so. Humanity was facing complete extermination carried out with unwavering machine precision. Vorian ordered Abulurd Harkonnen to push through the shield and allow the automatic weapons to destroy the pods before they could blow. This horrified Abulurd. So Vorian relieved him of duty and had him confined. Abulurd then escaped and disabled all the automatic weapons in the fleet. (In the US military, I believe this would be treason of the "giving aid and support to the enemy" variety, and death is a possible punishment.) So, Vorian used atomics to clear a path. What they didn't know is that the pods had been disabled. They pods didn't explode when the fleet approached. Afterwards Abulurd Harkonnen was sentenced to death for his actions. But Vorian pushed to have Abulurd (a) banished from the League of Nobles, (b) his entire house exiled to a backwater planet, and (c) Abulard would retain the shamed name of Harkonnen. Basically, Abulurd failed the Trolley Problem: th-cam.com/video/DtRhrfhP5b4/w-d-xo.html Now, there are some nuances here: 1. Because of Abulurd's actions, Vorian was forced to use atomics against humans. During the Butlerian Jihad, use of atomics against humans goes far beyond a war crime and enters the realm of religious sin. What makes this worse for Vorian is that they eventually find out the human shield had been deactivated. HOWEVER, If Abulurd hadn't deactivated the weapons, then far fewer pods would have needed to be destroyed to clear a path. Having a Harkonnen sentenced to death would not have wiped away the "sin" of an Atreides using atomics against humans. People would have quickly forgotten about Abulurd, but they would never have forgotten or forgiven Vorian. 2. There were far more important reasons to shame Abulurd than protecting Vorian's pride. Abulurd's insubordination and treason COULD HAVE RESULTED IN THE EXTERMINATION OF ALL HUMAN LIFE. This is something so heinous that it should never be forgotten, and the punishment should be so terrible that no one EVER dares to do the same thing again. For those who died, or had family members die because of Abulurd's actions, a more satisfying punishment would have been the death of ALL Harkonnens. But then Abulurd's actions would be forgotten. By ensuring that all future generations of Harkonnens were trapped in a House branded as cowards and traitors, it ensured that no one would forget for a very long time. 3. Now, back to Valya. She is pissed off that she is part of a house that has been branded cowards and traitors because of the actions of her great-grandfather. Now, you may be feeling sympathetic for Valya. After all, people shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their ancestors. HOWEVER, you need to look closely at her punishment. She's not being starved. She's not being beaten. She's not deprived of her personal freedom any more that every other member of a lower-ranked noble house is in this feudal society. She's pissed off because her family lost the respect she thinks is their due. She's pissed off because House Harkonnen isn't a major part of galactic politics. She's pissed off because she's not part of the galactic elite social scene. But you have to remember that Valya is STILL nobility. She's just in the lowest ranks. Basically, she's blaming the Atreides for the fact that her great-grandfather got stupid and put the family on Millionaire's Row instead of Billionaire's Row. In other words, VALYA IS NOT THE GOOD GUY HERE. But it is also important to remember that bad people can do good things for bad reasons.
At the same time though, the way the Harkonnen were branded does sort of spit all over Xavier's memory. Also Dorotea's lineage is from Vorian Atreides, which adds a bit more context to her feelings against Valya.
@@perseusveil9376 Your post got me thinking. In the future I'll preface the comment with "(LONG COMMENT)" That way, if people aren't interested in a lot of details, they can skip it without opening it up.
3:28 I may be wrong but, at first glance, it feels like those two lights are foreshadowing something from the last two Dune books (written by Herbert's son).
11:35 The Princess was saying that every year her betrothed is a minor is a year she has free to do as she likes. Thus, if he were even younger, she'd have that freedom longer.
The funny thing to add on to your comment is that Dune preceded a lot if popular movies/ shows, media in pop culture that set the bar pretty high in terms of a blue print on story telling
I've crushed on Emily Watson for 30 years. I've been waiting for her big breakthrough all that time and now that it's here it seems to be dividing audiences like a knife. Here's hoping later episodes give her more to do.
Boy she is really struggling to understand what is being meant by some of this dialogue lol. I felt like most of it was pretty obvious? Either way enjoyed the reaction and look forward to the next. As a huge Dune fan (books and movies) I've really enjoyed this show. Second episode really hooks people that weren't hooked by episode 1.
2:23 Keep in mind that the Bene Gesserit breeding program is the very definition of eugenics. You know, the master race stuff that started in America then moved to Germany...
When princess Ynez wishes her fiance was younger was because they won't marry for ten years. If he was younger she would have more time on her own.
I was so hyped to hear they casted Travis fimmel in this. He was iconic as Ragnar Lothbrok in Vikings
Hope she watches Vikings one day. It's one hell of an adventure.
*cast. There's no such word as casted.
11:37 VKunia, let me be the first to welcome you to the exciting world of royal marriages in feudal societies.
Isabella of Valois was 6 years old when she married Richard II. He was 35.
3:04 I enjoy this scene because it contains subtle things that only readers would catch.
1. it is not clear if this is the if this is the Sisterhood of Rossak (the organization that would later be known as the Bene Gesserits).
2. The Sisterhood has a hierarchy (in ascending order): Acolyte, Sister, Reverend Mother, Mother Superior. There is only one Mother Superior at a time. This is important to understand what is happening with Valya and Dorotea. Raquella was the first Sister who transformed a poison using her body's chemical processes. In doing this, she became the first Reverend Mother. As head of the Sisterhood, she is the Mother Superior.
Dorotea was the second Sister to become a Reverend Mother. Obviously, she believes that this entitles her to succeed Raquella as Mother Superior.
However, Raquella and Dorotea had very different ideas for the direction the Sisterhood should take. Raquella was obviously more pragmatic, while Dorotea was more religious.
Then comes Valya. Valya is intensely disliked by many in the Sisterhood because of the shame her great-grandfather's actions brought onto House Harkonnen. Despite that, Mother Superior wants Valya to guide the Sisterhood
The problem is that the Mother Superior does not specifically name Valya as her successor. This could be the result of
- Valya not yet being a Reverend Mother (unlikely)
- Mother Superior Raquella not realizing that a clear order of succession needs to be set up. (Impossible, Raquella has the memories of all her female ancestors. She has countless memories of unclear successions creating problems)
- Mother Superior Raquella KNOWS Valya needs to kill Dorotea, but can't say so openly.
3. The book that Valya knocks to the floor is almost certainly the "Orange Catholic Bible". I won't go into the history of it, as you can read about it in one of the appendices the first novel Dune. But the show is hammering home the idea that Valya is not going to let anything stop her from increasing the power of the Sisterhood. As Mother Superior, this will also increase Valya's power.
Like I said in a previous post: Bad people doing good things for bad reasons...
Im a big dune reader and I love this first episode
Same here, I even have the Litany against fear tattooed on my back...
Just wanted to point out that even if they were to be wed soon, the plan was they wouldn't consummate the marriage until the boy comes of age.
I've seen a lot of people complaining it was boring or bad, but every moment of the first episode had me riveted. Feels a lot more coherent than most modern shows so far - which could be said of the movies as well. Hope it continues!
Travis Fimmel and Mark Strong? Hell yeah.
Finally someone with an independent thought, everyone else was just parroting each other about slow pace and bad writing. Like, what? those people are not watching the same show
It's worth pointing out that it's based on books by Brian Herbert, who is Frank Herbert's son. Frank Herbert wrote the succesful books, whereas Brian expanded on the universe with his books. Most people who've read both authors strongly prefer Frank. This show is probably good, but it's worth pointing out.
I've heard it's based on after a certain trilogy (Sisterhood of Dune or something,) and this is it's own thing. Though, it's still, I think, written by Brian Herbert, so ... we'll see how it goes. (I COULD BE WRONG just pointing that out)
@@Atrulion yh this is after sisterhood so its own story essentially which is probably a good thing
Its very loosely based on it, so not terribly relevant. Even so, Sisterhood was one of the most popular of Brians books.
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That's interesting, I didn't know that.
17:54 Just to be clear, this is not the same Baron Harkonnen from the films.
And I may have mentioned this earlier, but I'll point it out again: "Baron" is a very low ranking noble. In the British monarchy, it is the lowest rank of noble.
Welcome back Ragnar Lothbrok
Died 865 AD, Born 27 AG
She sees the chemistry between these two actors and she doesn't see the chemistry between Hughie and Annie... lol
I can tell Desmond Hart is going to be the stand out character from this show
5:55 I'm pretty sure that in the books, Raquella was the first person to use Voice. However, this was probably a very primitive form of Voice.
I don't recall if it was mentioned in the novels, but I believe the best explanation is that when Raquella became a Reverend Mother and gained all the memories of her female ancestors, she discovered that at some point in the past humans had attempted to develop Voice. It could be the past attempts failed, or the skills were hidden/destroyed.
Raquella may have taught Valya these skills, or it is possible that Valya discovered them them on her own when she became a Reverend Mother. Being a person desperate to accumulate power, I think it is more likely that Valya went hunting through her ancestral memories for anything that could help her gain power.
Being Raquella's granddaughter, Dorotea would certainly have had access to those memories. However, her religious beliefs would probably have made her see the Voice as a sacrilege against the sanctity of the human mind.
Being an early form of Voice would also explain why Valya's Voice is different from what we hear in the films. By the time of the films, Valya's primitive Voice had been refined over 10 thousand years.
7:21 Oh, I have my suspicions about why Valya is preventing House Harkonnen from having a Truthsayer, but I'll keep those dark thoughts to myself for the time being...
13:00 You’ve literally just described all of Dune lol
6:22 "You have no place to be playing God, OK?"
Wonder how she'll react if they ever adapt book 4.
The Sisterhood is like the most toxic sorority you could imagine times ten.
I read the original Frank Herbert Dune books, after watching the 1984 Dune movie. Great reading. Enjoy watching your reactions! (You're a Scorpio, like my late wife.) I'm a Libra(10/17), only 47 years older than you. Keep-up the good work. 👍👸❤
The little robo toy could easily be made into an assassination tool.
6:19 I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll just say that sometimes good people can do bad things for good reasons...
"What do you see"
The burning truth, that's what Valya sees.
hope you watch the rest, looks good so far 👏
1:46 Oh, boy. We start the show out with lies.
Valya is engaging in some revisionist history.
During the Butlerian Jihad, when Omnius (the big bad machine) blockaded itself on Corrin, a human shield was put in orbit to protect it. (Almost 3 million people were stuck in pods rigged to blow if the human fleet approached.) Vorian Atreides was determined to destroy Omnius, and IMO rightfully so. Humanity was facing complete extermination carried out with unwavering machine precision.
Vorian ordered Abulurd Harkonnen to push through the shield and allow the automatic weapons to destroy the pods before they could blow. This horrified Abulurd. So Vorian relieved him of duty and had him confined. Abulurd then escaped and disabled all the automatic weapons in the fleet. (In the US military, I believe this would be treason of the "giving aid and support to the enemy" variety, and death is a possible punishment.)
So, Vorian used atomics to clear a path.
What they didn't know is that the pods had been disabled. They pods didn't explode when the fleet approached.
Afterwards Abulurd Harkonnen was sentenced to death for his actions. But Vorian pushed to have Abulurd (a) banished from the League of Nobles, (b) his entire house exiled to a backwater planet, and (c) Abulard would retain the shamed name of Harkonnen.
Basically, Abulurd failed the Trolley Problem: th-cam.com/video/DtRhrfhP5b4/w-d-xo.html
Now, there are some nuances here:
1. Because of Abulurd's actions, Vorian was forced to use atomics against humans. During the Butlerian Jihad, use of atomics against humans goes far beyond a war crime and enters the realm of religious sin. What makes this worse for Vorian is that they eventually find out the human shield had been deactivated.
HOWEVER, If Abulurd hadn't deactivated the weapons, then far fewer pods would have needed to be destroyed to clear a path.
Having a Harkonnen sentenced to death would not have wiped away the "sin" of an Atreides using atomics against humans. People would have quickly forgotten about Abulurd, but they would never have forgotten or forgiven Vorian.
2. There were far more important reasons to shame Abulurd than protecting Vorian's pride. Abulurd's insubordination and treason COULD HAVE RESULTED IN THE EXTERMINATION OF ALL HUMAN LIFE. This is something so heinous that it should never be forgotten, and the punishment should be so terrible that no one EVER dares to do the same thing again.
For those who died, or had family members die because of Abulurd's actions, a more satisfying punishment would have been the death of ALL Harkonnens. But then Abulurd's actions would be forgotten.
By ensuring that all future generations of Harkonnens were trapped in a House branded as cowards and traitors, it ensured that no one would forget for a very long time.
3. Now, back to Valya. She is pissed off that she is part of a house that has been branded cowards and traitors because of the actions of her great-grandfather.
Now, you may be feeling sympathetic for Valya. After all, people shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their ancestors.
HOWEVER, you need to look closely at her punishment. She's not being starved. She's not being beaten. She's not deprived of her personal freedom any more that every other member of a lower-ranked noble house is in this feudal society.
She's pissed off because her family lost the respect she thinks is their due. She's pissed off because House Harkonnen isn't a major part of galactic politics. She's pissed off because she's not part of the galactic elite social scene.
But you have to remember that Valya is STILL nobility. She's just in the lowest ranks.
Basically, she's blaming the Atreides for the fact that her great-grandfather got stupid and put the family on Millionaire's Row instead of Billionaire's Row.
In other words, VALYA IS NOT THE GOOD GUY HERE.
But it is also important to remember that bad people can do good things for bad reasons.
At the same time though, the way the Harkonnen were branded does sort of spit all over Xavier's memory. Also Dorotea's lineage is from Vorian Atreides, which adds a bit more context to her feelings against Valya.
Thats too much information for a casual reactioner.
No casual TH-cam streamer is going to give a damn about all that information. I mean I appreciate it, but you don't expect her to read it do you?
@@perseusveil9376 Your post got me thinking. In the future I'll preface the comment with "(LONG COMMENT)"
That way, if people aren't interested in a lot of details, they can skip it without opening it up.
3:28 I may be wrong but, at first glance, it feels like those two lights are foreshadowing something from the last two Dune books (written by Herbert's son).
11:35 The Princess was saying that every year her betrothed is a minor is a year she has free to do as she likes. Thus, if he were even younger, she'd have that freedom longer.
so the Bene Gesserit grew out of house Harkonnen, is this canon? ( i've not read any of the prequels).
I recommend that you watch the 2000 Dune Mini-Series.
Remember, the marriage wasn't going to be consumnated for another decade when Pruett turned 19.😊
where's our cobra kai reaction ?
Love the red hair.❤ Great reaction. I remember watching the original way back when.
Finally saw this twitch of the eye everyone keeps talking about!
you make me happy 🤗
Nobility got married at a young age all the time. In House of the Dragon someone suggests marrying a 2 year old
Ok but why does the little boy low key look like he could be your brother. 😭😭😭
21:18 Not a fan of that scene, for it seems to quite pedestrian. So common, like it were happening on Earth.
I agree while I like the episode overall I do not like that scene
The entire Dune saga reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones. Which is weird, because I never really liked GoT, but I LOVE Dune.
The funny thing to add on to your comment is that Dune preceded a lot if popular movies/ shows, media in pop culture that set the bar pretty high in terms of a blue print on story telling
Thats probably cause ASOIAF takes a lot from Dune even tho the fat dude and his readers try to gaslight the universe denying it.
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
Dune Prophecy this is really awesome and so are you
thanks V.💓🙌💓
Dune is good
its intresting to see the prestory when we know the outcome alreaady
the benegessarits breeding ending in paul atreidis
you gotta get back onto cobra kai! the new episodes are lit 🔥🔥
I actually thought the original Dune was really good! My first time watching this one as well! Have a great weekend
Nice. That was really good.
Valya see the 'burning truth'.
I've crushed on Emily Watson for 30 years. I've been waiting for her big breakthrough all that time and now that it's here it seems to be dividing audiences like a knife. Here's hoping later episodes give her more to do.
Hay if the movies did well then I have faith that this will turn out good too.
Hey vick, you should react to The Inbetweeners (British original version of course).
Yay 🙌🏾
Ooh you gotta watch Vikings tv show after this
V is an Honored Matre
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Please react pirates of Caribbean 5
Please watch Mission Impossible Fallout & Dead Reckoning.
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She should watch Rogue Nation too first to get all the backstory for Fallout.😊
@@jonathanpowell7256 she already did.
i think you missunderstood why she wants the boy to be younger xD
Love it
Boy she is really struggling to understand what is being meant by some of this dialogue lol. I felt like most of it was pretty obvious? Either way enjoyed the reaction and look forward to the next. As a huge Dune fan (books and movies) I've really enjoyed this show. Second episode really hooks people that weren't hooked by episode 1.
3:28 Hi, Paul/Leto II!
Wow
Hi
Mayn seeing travis fimmel is this makes me want to see V react to Vikings on the channel so bad!!
Think i love ur ace
Nobody told me Travis Fimmel (Ragnar from Vikings) was in this show
2:23 Keep in mind that the Bene Gesserit breeding program is the very definition of eugenics.
You know, the master race stuff that started in America then moved to Germany...
I have mixed feelings about this episode I like some of it and dislike some overall I am reluctantly hopeful
hi Veee =D ang kitty 😻
Is season 5 of BCS gonna come out?
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance.
Every channel you can find, huh?
Quite a fan of the new flicks, yet the show is soooo slow. Not sure what to think yet.
Deception and political manipulation. Sounds like Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon.
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When r u gonna watch Cobra Kai?
I'll pass
I highly recommend this channel For if you want to go more in depth into the lore of Dune
youtube.com/@quinnsideas?si=dcqIgxUI39mr-h7v