I bought a used BCS that was only used once and ended up in storage for over 20 years. It had the 6hp. ACME motor. The first thing I had to do was replace the fuel lines, change gear oil, and engine oil. I had a hard time finding parts for the Acme engine, like a carb rebuild kit but after a good ultrasonic cleaning, and a new carb kit installed it fired up on the third pull. Has worked really well. Recently I found out the hard way that the Acme engines have a plastic bracket bolted to the flywheel housing the magnets for elec. system. old plastic cracked and magnets exploded tearing up the coil. I have since found a new kit that includes a new flywheel and coil for Acme. All metal and better than new.
Same here the 720 BCS was stored for 20 years, I took apart the Briggs And Stratton head and valve to decarbonized the inside, the motor runs fine but the BCS cone clutch is stuck solid. Never heard of ACME engine, I will look it up. thanks
Acme was the Italian equivalent to the briggs, and what was put on all BCS tractors before Briggs and honda. that had a 23mm tapered shaft and had the weird bolt pattern as does the BCS. That way they didn't need the adapter kit they used today for the 1" shaft on briggs and honda. Kohler makes a direct replacement for the old Acme setup as they bought out Lombardini, which is who bought out Acme. the old ACME motors ran very well, and are easy starting. The Only drawback was the original flywheel, but if a person puts the new flywheel kit on it before it wipes out a coil it'll last as long as any of them.
On the older tiller, also notice the directional tred on the new tires are running opposite directions, the left, from the right. -One of the tires was installed reversed on the wheel. It looks like someone gave it a very surface DIY novice sprucing up for sale.
Look in my channel for unstucking a clutch, depending on the price and what needs to be done, I would choose used over new. Not just to potentially save money but also I like the ergonomica of the older one...if you can, try both new and older one
$800 If it was top shape ready to work, otherwise deduct all possible repair, new tires, tune up...etc. are the attachement in good shape? Engine part sells for fair price (Briggs, Honda, Subaru, Kohler) but parts from BCS are really expensive...good luck
+MARIAN CIPRIAN Sabou Regular gear oil should be changed every 2 to 3 year, synthetic gear oil 6 to 8 year. The most important thing to do is to check and top up to the proper level. Dark colour or hazy cloudy gear oil should be change.
What do you know about the BCS 205? I'm looking at one for sale locally. He's asking $695. Thanks for posting this video by the way, I've got a few things to look for.
Hi I dont have experience with that model but I had 215 for a while (about 5hp like 205) My 215 work fine for tilling a small garden, my only complaint was the speed selection wich was slow and extremely slow it was annoying to go from the tool shed to the garden 100 feet away. Its also limited in other BCS attachement but otherwise great little machine. Ps: make sure the clutch is not seized
I have no experience with Grillo, but from the specs and their history, It seem a really good choice. Specially the Diesel Kolher...maybe the only thing would be part availability where you live.
Seem a little high for a 13 year old BCS, there is no real way to know if the 6.5HP engine really has only 50 hours ...a brand new one would cost you about $1000 more wich included a warranty on everything. Not a good deal in my eyes mostly I think the 6.5hp is bit underpower
4:04 My 710 is experiencing the same problem being stiff with the pto clutch. It is used what is the reason why it does this and is their way to fix it?
Hi it supposed to rotates, if the previous owner never had to rotate the handles because he did not need to (like switching implement tiller/snowblower) does handles seize really good. Used penetrating oil and moved from left to right until you get more play. Repeat until you get the full motion….dont force too much, it will just bent the shaft. On the one in the video, it was so seized up, I would had to take the whole thing apart, so I just used it has a tiller
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I figured it out it's a common problem. All the bcs has this. There's a sleeve pin inside the ball joint. You have to grease it every so often if you don't it'll seize it's got a grease cert on it. Thank you for your reply. I wasn't sure if I was gonna get a reply from people on TH-cam. So I emailed BCS. And they told me what the reason was
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@Kuv Koj i priced a bcs with the attachments and they wanted $12,000 and the dr field and brush mower with 42'' mower deck,brush hog,chipper and the blade and snowblower $4,000
For a commercial operation, the high initial cost you paid for the machine durability and reliability is well worth it...the machine with proper maintenance can last several decades and they keep their value if you decided to resell
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox too much to go wrong with newer tillers ,, in my opinion ,,,, I read this morning about simplicity tillers , they are really cool !
But what about the long list of things that go wrong? For the price that sure is a long list. My Troy Bilt Horse is 40 years old and I have 250 bucks in it and zero problems. Why would I pay more for problems? At least on half an acre I don't need a bigger tiller.
I totally agree with you and feel the same way about my Simplicity 50 years old tiller. BUT not everyone can find a good old machine in decent running order (newer Troybuilt and others are not built strong anymore) so BCS tiller is an excellent choice for serious gardener and small scale commercial grower if you can afford it.
I bought a used BCS that was only used once and ended up in storage for over 20 years. It had the 6hp. ACME motor. The first thing I had to do was replace the fuel lines, change gear oil, and engine oil. I had a hard time finding parts for the Acme engine, like a carb rebuild kit but after a good ultrasonic cleaning, and a new carb kit installed it fired up on the third pull. Has worked really well. Recently I found out the hard way that the Acme engines have a plastic bracket bolted to the flywheel housing the magnets for elec. system. old plastic cracked and magnets exploded tearing up the coil. I have since found a new kit that includes a new flywheel and coil for Acme. All metal and better than new.
Same here the 720 BCS was stored for 20 years, I took apart the Briggs And Stratton head and valve to decarbonized the inside, the motor runs fine but the BCS cone clutch is stuck solid. Never heard of ACME engine, I will look it up. thanks
Very good overall check. I appreciate the info. We have a BCS 749. Love that thing so far. Have a great day.
The BCS 749 is a beautiful machine, thanks for stopping by...
@Kuv Koj Please see my other reply to you about this. Have a great day.
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thanks for this
Acme was the Italian equivalent to the briggs, and what was put on all BCS tractors before Briggs and honda. that had a 23mm tapered shaft and had the weird bolt pattern as does the BCS. That way they didn't need the adapter kit they used today for the 1" shaft on briggs and honda. Kohler makes a direct replacement for the old Acme setup as they bought out Lombardini, which is who bought out Acme. the old ACME motors ran very well, and are easy starting. The Only drawback was the original flywheel, but if a person puts the new flywheel kit on it before it wipes out a coil it'll last as long as any of them.
good to know, thanks for the info
Your welcome. Also I enjoyed your vidoe. We need more of them on the BCS.
On the older tiller, also notice the directional tred on the new tires are running opposite directions, the left, from the right. -One of the tires was installed reversed on the wheel. It looks like someone gave it a very surface DIY novice sprucing up for sale.
Good eye, all is properly fit since the video
Looking at an older 730...is a stuck clutch a major problem? Should i look at newer models over this 730?
Look in my channel for unstucking a clutch, depending on the price and what needs to be done, I would choose used over new. Not just to potentially save money but also I like the ergonomica of the older one...if you can, try both new and older one
Came across bcs 715 from the early 90s with three attachments. $800 a fair price? Might need some tlc
$800 If it was top shape ready to work, otherwise deduct all possible repair, new tires, tune up...etc. are the attachement in good shape? Engine part sells for fair price (Briggs, Honda, Subaru, Kohler) but parts from BCS are really expensive...good luck
hello please tell me how often transmision oil have to be changed, i change every year engine oil but dont know how should i do with transmision oil.
+MARIAN CIPRIAN Sabou Regular gear oil should be changed every 2 to 3 year, synthetic gear oil 6 to 8 year. The most important thing to do is to check and top up to the proper level. Dark colour or hazy cloudy gear oil should be change.
What do you know about the BCS 205? I'm looking at one for sale locally. He's asking $695. Thanks for posting this video by the way, I've got a few things to look for.
Hi
I dont have experience with that model but I had 215 for a while (about 5hp like 205) My 215 work fine for tilling a small garden, my only complaint was the speed selection wich was slow and extremely slow it was annoying to go from the tool shed to the garden 100 feet away. Its also limited in other BCS attachement but otherwise great little machine.
Ps: make sure the clutch is not seized
Grillo G-107D is comparable in quality and performance?
I have no experience with Grillo, but from the specs and their history, It seem a really good choice. Specially the Diesel Kolher...maybe the only thing would be part availability where you live.
I have my eyes on a 718 tiller for $1750. It is a 2008 with 50 hours. Is this a fair price?
Seem a little high for a 13 year old BCS, there is no real way to know if the 6.5HP engine really has only 50 hours ...a brand new one would cost you about $1000 more wich included a warranty on everything.
Not a good deal in my eyes mostly I think the 6.5hp is bit underpower
My father has a 720 is there anyway to buy another new attachment?
Check your BCS dealer or online, attachement are still available
Briggs & Stratton
4:04 My 710 is experiencing the same problem being stiff with the pto clutch. It is used what is the reason why it does this and is their way to fix it?
Hi it supposed to rotates, if the previous owner never had to rotate the handles because he did not need to (like switching implement tiller/snowblower) does handles seize really good. Used penetrating oil and moved from left to right until you get more play. Repeat until you get the full motion….dont force too much, it will just bent the shaft.
On the one in the video, it was so seized up, I would had to take the whole thing apart, so I just used it has a tiller
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox I figured it out it's a common problem. All the bcs has this. There's a sleeve pin inside the ball joint. You have to grease it every so often if you don't it'll seize it's got a grease cert on it. Thank you for your reply. I wasn't sure if I was gonna get a reply from people on TH-cam. So I emailed BCS. And they told me what the reason was
Ok, enjoy your BCS…cheers
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox thank you 😊
What type of oil? For the trasmicion plz?
I use synthetic gear oil. Look up BCS website for your particular model
MY FRIEND.. MY BROTHER I HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION FOR YOU THAT.. HOW DO KEEP THIS ENGINES AS LIKE NEW AND CLEAN STILL AFTER TWEETY YEARS AND FOUR YEARS ALSO.. EVERYONE MUST WANNA KNOW ANSWAR OF THIS QUESTION BCOZ EVERYONE CAN TAKE CARE OF THEIR MACHINES AND EQUIPMENTS AS LIKE YOU AND THATS PLEASE ANSWAR MY QUESTION PLZ...
Simple...power wash tine after each use and a good detailing just before winter storage... thank you for your feedback
Hello
what's your price by us Dollar?
I have nothing for sale...just showing what to look for when buying used BCS
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What do you think fair market value for the older unit you show would be in its current condition? Trying to get a feel for the market. Thanks!
YOU DIDNT MENTION PRICES
How much I want to buy i am from India
Sorry, I am not selling anything
hy good informative video .is it available in market i want to buye one
yeah there avaliable usa/canada but exspensive wich the DR's are cheaper
@Kuv Koj i priced a bcs with the attachments and they wanted $12,000 and the dr field and brush mower with 42'' mower deck,brush hog,chipper and the blade and snowblower $4,000
i need a wiring diagram for a 715 dcs
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cost is high.
For a commercial operation, the high initial cost you paid for the machine durability and reliability is well worth it...the machine with proper maintenance can last several decades and they keep their value if you decided to resell
Buy an older Troybilt Horse , simpler machine with much less to go wrong , mine is 40 years old and works like Horse !
I agree at 50%, for home use I love my 57 year old Simplicity but for commercial day in day out abuse on a tiller BCS is the way to go
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox too much to go wrong with newer tillers ,, in my opinion ,,,, I read this morning about simplicity tillers , they are really cool !
@@johannesvanhoek9080 check mine out.. th-cam.com/video/nd9phegv-K8/w-d-xo.html
@@JoeBakerOutsideTheBox That was great, thanks
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Hi, I'm not selling anything. Video is just for information
pricey and unreliable.
I kind of agree about the price, although the reliability is good
But what about the long list of things that go wrong? For the price that sure is a long list. My Troy Bilt Horse is 40 years old and I have 250 bucks in it and zero problems. Why would I pay more for problems? At least on half an acre I don't need a bigger tiller.
I totally agree with you and feel the same way about my Simplicity 50 years old tiller. BUT not everyone can find a good old machine in decent running order (newer Troybuilt and others are not built strong anymore) so BCS tiller is an excellent choice for serious gardener and small scale commercial grower if you can afford it.