I honestly thought this show was much better than I expected based on the trailers. I feel like it accurately reflected a lot of my experiences growing up and living in the Salt Lake area. I am a similar age to the older women in the group (early 30's) but my parents left the church before I was born. I still have a lot of family that are active members. My parents raised me with very similar standards to the church but maybe like one step less restrictive (example: we don't want you to drink but if you are going to please do it here where we know you will be safe). So, I have always been too "Mormon" and goody good for non-mormons but since I was not a member I definitely experienced a lot of judgement from members. Which meant I didn't date much in high school and there were people who stopped talking to me when they found out I wasn't a member. It was always frustrating because there were plenty of members like these girls who were definitely more wild and living much further out of the standards than I did that were way more accepted than I was just because of the labels we had. Or the members who would still be my friends would try to convert me since I "acted like one anyway".
What an interesting perspective on life in Utah. I understand that you don't want to be a member since the doctrine is not true. Yet you relate to a lot of the values and lifestyle. Totally relate. Mormonism is so contradictory. Founded by a con man on a lie, but still contains great people with great intentions, trying to follow God.
Great timing! I just saw this show pop up on Hulu and thought, "Seems like an interesting premise, but no. It looks like the Mormon version of Real Housewives." Now I can know the interesting tidbits without suffering through the excessive dramatization. 😂😊
I love catching up on all my fav ex-mo channels thoughts on the show. As someone who grew up never mormon just in Mesa Arizona so around the culture, and always interested in the history after so many friends growing up had tried to covert me, totally respect and understand your feelings and think they’re completely valid coming from someone who was taught to be the best Mormon you can be- I’ve always thought of it from the Lindsey Hansen Park direction where if you grew up with the doctrine, no matter where you land active/non-active/fundamental, you fall under the Mormon tree so the name didn’t even phase me but it’s nice to understand why it evoked so many feelings and I can only assume that the women of the show also feel that way or understand the feeling from many perspectives as well.
Thank You so much for doing this! I have never emailed a podcaster before this I asked if you all were going to review this show! So happy you are doing it! You Botha are so good at this 😊
Just started the vid. I have to say a huge thank you to you both. I love your channel firstly. Secondly I’ve been so cringe about this new show I haven’t watched it, so happy you’ve reviewed it so I don’t have too. Currently I’m learning about the LDS church from missionary’s who have been visiting me for almost 5mths now. I live in Australia, and I’ve been on a journey for years now learning all I can about the Christian Faith and judaism. It’s been a wonderful experience to learn from missionaries, also this channel has been an excellent learning opportunity too. I still don’t know if I will be joining any church at this point, I’m just enjoying my learning. Again thank you for making this channel, you have no idea how much this person across the world has learned from you both.
Love you guys. But lighten up!!! The show was fun (hellllooooo, reality TV) and YES they are mormons, LOTS, like this. I prefer candor over fake keep sweet any day of the week
Thank you so so much! ❤️ You're comment means the world to us! We wish you the very best on your journey and are so happy to have been a small part of it 😊
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy thank you. Honestly your both a large part of my learning and I appreciate you both so much for the work and energy also kindness and truth of your channel 😊
It was fascinating! I'm so glad you guys are reacting. I've been following exmo world for years now (personally never-mo) and this was just wild. It sounds like many of these women had situations that resulted in them not being the most molly mormon followers during their young adulthood. Many were pregnant before marriage or have had affairs. It doesn't seem like they're the ones going to the bishop to confess everything. I mean, how is Conner being invited to the baby blessing as such an upstanding member compared to others in the group when he also cheated being on tinder? (Also, having followed these things, it's so interesting to see how Conner quickly talks about his "addiction" and you know that is how it immediately gets labeled when in reality it's a series of choices he made). It just makes all the rules feel really arbitrary in a way that is impossible not to notice from the outside. More than anything, the way many of them cling to the idea of the faith while skirting every possible rule is really fascinating to watch. Doing ketamine and laughing gas while saying WoW doesn't allow coffee is just a trip. I want to know desperately what their thoughts are on all the things nuanced or progmos take a different attitude about. What do they think about real and/or celestial polygamy? What do they think about women in the priesthood? What do they think about the different ways the WoW has been interpreted over time? What do they think about having to be called through the veil?
Sorry follow up question... If Taylor were to get excommunicated, that would cancel her sealing with her ex-husband, right? So then if she got back in and got married again, would she be able to get temple married without having to get a special permission to break the other sealing?
I still have an unanswered question about LDS folks. I want to know the LDS belief on relationship with Jewish people. I had the weirdest interactions with LDS folks since moving out west. Down to one family wanting to adopt my child because we are not christian. What the flip was that about? I had to get restraining order and almost pressed charges. Thanks for being so open Melissa and Sam. Your shows are fascinating to me!
I don't know much about this topic but you might have heard of the practice of baptizing people after death in the LDS church, sometimes even people who had nothing to do with the LDS in life. The LDS have in the past (I don't know if they do this currently) given honorary baptism to famous Jewish figures, like Anne Franke. I am not sure if this is an attempt to appropriate her image or gain popularity by being associated with someone who is a significant figure historically. I am not sure but it could even be an attempt to attract Jewish people to the LDS. Some Jewish groups have said to the church, "Please stop."
Mormons believe they share ancestry with Jews and the Book of Mormon states that a couple of the twelve tribes of Israel migrated to the US. Mormons are told what tribe they are descended from during a blessing in their young adult years.
I feel like there is a lot more moral judgement in LDS Utah, than in other states. Due to the fact that there are so many members of the church, it is a lot easier to make comparisons on how people are living the church standards. And I think that competition creates some backlash. Because of this, there are Utah LDS members that want to "act out", as an emotional defense mechanism to this critical judgement from others. Outside of Utah, I haven't seen this (although it might happen, it's not prominent). My experience outside of Utah, is that LDS members who go to church will try to keep the church standards. I haven't seen purposeful "rebellion."
I’m really excited for you to talk about the baby blessing episode. I was expecting it to be like a baptism (I’m Lutheran so we drip water on the infant’s head) and was surprised that it happened in the home rather than during a church service.
When he talks about not understanding how someone can have a belief but not follow it the way at it’s taught, that is very much a point of view from someone who was indoctrinated. Millions and millions of people all over the world of many different religions believe in a base religion, but don’t follow every rule. And I think it’s a difference of believe in god and the basic ideas of a Christian based faith but not agreeing with the role that churches play in that culture. I think a lot of these people hold onto the church because they are scared of not being affiliated with the church. But in their heart and mind they believe their personal relationship with god is more important than the rules, I think probably at the end of the day they believe they can repent and ask god for forgiveness and that it is between them and god and not really think the church should have a say in that, but they also don’t want to lose their connection with the church for many reasons. Just my point of view as someone who’s non religious
Loved your analysis. I think one of the key things that separates the Mormon church from many Christian denominations and makes it a high-demand religion is the fact that “church is for sinners” really isn’t a common attitude within the LDS church. I’ve listened to probably a hundred Mormon Stories episodes, and I’m hard-pressed to think of any where members of the church broke the rules and were met with a “live and let live” attitude. Usually it’s “you’re not worthy”, lots of guilt and shame.
I just started watching this series yesterday evening… Crazy, it was not what I was expecting from the trailers etc. I will have to binge watch to keep up with your recaps and highlights… I just love listening to your videos.
If they consulted the church first, the show would've been titled, "The Sacred Lives of Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Wives."
While I wasn’t raised Mormon, I was raised Roman Catholic, I can kind of see why people take a “one foot out one foot in” approach, I think there can be a distance people think of between the doctrine and the formal rules that comes with the process of leaving- like not admitting that they’re doing wrong because it might be an admission that they disagree with the doctrine
Melissa, I can totally relate to your "Acceptance and Belief in the Church" section!!!! I too was a very orthodox and orthoprax member who has stepped away due to doctrinal reasons and I experience similar feelings as you described in this section.
Two of my former coworkers are a Mormon couple. They were insulted by the portrayal of their religion. I have not seen it. However, each person has a right to believe as they wish and to worship in their own way.
When I was a member of the mainstream Mormon church I used to think the FLDS members I’d see at Costco were so weird! But the longer I watch your channel the more I respect the FLDS for at least being honest about their doctrine, more so than the mainstream church. This stands out when it comes to women’s status. FLDS women know the belong to men( the Priesthood )although how many really like that is unclear. But wow mainstream Mormon women are so gaslighted about it! They are stuck on these weird pedestal where their second class status is justified by their being “ too spiritual “ for the world. Earlier this year one of the women in the general Relief Society presidency said that no other religion granted such broad power to women!!! Yes she said that with a straight face. The pushback from that was so bad they had to disable the comments from the post until they were called out for it. Then the Relief Society President was found out to have gone to law school at a time when the church president at the time specifically told women not to work. There were so many women angered because they gave up their dreams to follow the prophet and here this woman that disobeyed has now been promoted to the highest calling a woman can have in the Mormon church. So a lot of hypocrisy and mixed messages there.
If anyone knows how I can watch this in the uk let me know- thank you for discussing the show Sam and Melissa as I’ve been so intrigued! I think one of the reasons people sometimes see LDS as a cult is a lot of the stuff you discuss - shouldn’t confessing sins be about forgiveness and being supported through your repentance and not fear of excommunication? Shouldn’t loving God and having good morals be more important than how you dress or what you do on a Sunday? I think it’s interesting to see the cognitive dissonance people feel about their religion come out in their actions
I binged the show in 1 days. I enjoyed it lol. I have also watched multiple podcast with different women from the show & they stated that Hulu came up with the title, that they didn’t know that Mormon was going to be in the title. They also said that some are active, some have left, and some are not Mormon but they were raised in the community. Jessi said she had 1 Mormon parent & 1 wasn’t so she is/was never a Mormon. Mykala said her mom was a church leader in the CA Mormon branch & they aren’t as strict. She said she grew up getting cursed out by her mom. Lol. So those 2 are the 1s who don’t identify as Mormon. They also said that weren’t trying to represent Mormonism but more just showing their daily lives & they just happen to be /raised in the Mormon community. The show is mostly about momtok than religion.
You should really watch them on the Vialls Files, they talk way more about their faith and how they view the church. Mikayla and Jessie straight up say they are not Mormon. But I did really enjoy the show. Excited for season 2 lol
And I thought it was interesting that on the podcast they say they wanted it to be more about Utah culture. Not Mormonism. But like you said, Hulu wanted the clicks
With regard to Sam's musing about how to claim a faith and not live it to the letter, it is because certain religions encompasses more than faith. It is about identity and culture as well. I grew up attending RC church regularly and it is such a big part of who I am, how I was raised, how my values were formed, etc., that when I realized I had issues with aspects of the church and started to pull back, I found it was still a core part of my being. I identified with other Catholics because of so many shared experiences. I understood life from that lens so I felt socially and culturally Catholic, although I was struggling with certain beliefs. Unlike many Christian religions, there is no exploring different denominations, with Catholicism. At least when I was growing up, if you were born Catholic, you would die Catholic....lapsed or not. Only 20 years later have I gradually started thinking of myself as someone "raised Catholic" rather than a non-practicing or "not currently practicing" Catholic.
Been waiting for this review!! Btw you can’t spoil what already rotted. Edited to add: Thank you Thank you. If I believe this faith I’m going to live it! Wow that was something I really needed to hear. I’m not going to watch the show. I feel like it’s just the devils handiwork.
This sort of thing makes me wonder if, eventually, being "Mormon" might start to be similar to the way a lot of folks say they are Catholic. They might not have set foot in a Catholic church since grade school, but they still identify as Catholic. If you were your Seminary president and graduated from BYU, you might think of yourself as pretty danged Mormon, even if you have had your name removed or been excommunicated. Are we approaching that context as "TBM's" are increasingly less conspicuous by their dress, language, WOW choices, etc? By that standard, the wildest of the "Secret Lives" girls is just as Mormon as the Prophet.
I got sucked down the rabbit hole and watched every episode!!! So crazy! Obviously it's tv and edited to be even wilder than it really is but the amount of time they said F*** was nuts! I've got a potty mouth but dang dude! That was a but much. Draaaaammmmaaa!!!😂😂😂❤❤🍿🍿
Who better to react to this show than Melissa! Guys from being a part of your channel for so long, I kept flagging things while watching like 'Oh that's not Mormon'
Hats off to you guys for watching these shows for us. I am doing my own binge of Sisterwives, because I want to see where Kody starts to break. I’m on season 15, and I want to pull my brain out of my head. 🤣😅
Thank you for thinking of us ☺️ We agree. When we first started watching, we didn't think there would be much to talk about religiously. But as the show went on, we found that a lot of the women connected so much of their lives to being raised in the church. In some ways, it seems, because they were raised in the church, they have gone extreme to prove a point against church policies.
Even though you are not currently LDS, there is nothing wrong with living by the good standards of the church. Some denominations evolve slower than others. I'm a 4th generation member of a Wesleyan Holiness denomination. I remember as a little kid, when the women of my grandparents' generation never wore makeup, never cut, colored or permed their hair, never wore jewelry or pants. Men wore only navy blue, black, grey, or tan suits, men were to wear white or pastel colored long sleeve shirts. Then comes my mother 😂. Though she believed in the same doctrine, she cut, colored and permed her hair and wore jewelry. On the 50th birthday, she got her ears pierced and bought her first pair of jeans. 😅 I am the 4th generation of the same denomination, and I'm grateful for the ones like Mom, who stopped believing in all of the legalism and taught me and my siblings it all about your personal relationship with Christ.
Thank you for covering this show, I love your content! And now after watching the show Im in a deep rabbit hole to find out all i can about mormonism. Im just a loosly lutheran Finnish girl raised by atheists. 🙈🤭 I was totally shocked that it's apparently OK and very common to do so much plastic surgery in the LDS and Utah, and that it apparently stems from high beauty standards related to youg woman being pretty enough to get a good man or something..? I might be wrong. ✌️ How does this jive with the belief that your body is a temple and then you go and do insane amount on operations? I dont get it. 😇 I would love to hear your views on this topic. Thank you from 🇫🇮! 😊
The Church is not becoming more progressive. This is the crutches actual stance on piercings and tattoos. "The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve have declared that we discourage tattoos and also 'the piercing of the body for other than medical purposes. ' We do not, however, take any position 'on the minimal piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings'” (Ensign, Nov. 2000, 52)." It has not changed and note tattoos are included. The reason it us discouraged us because the body is considered a temple.
@@loto159lots of Mormons do oppose those things, but those that don’t seem to justify it by the fact that a doctor performs them and is therefore “medical”. I’ve also seen some say that plastic surgery is typically done to replicate the appearance one had when younger (firmer skin, no wrinkles) and “healthier” (lower body fat, bigger boobs meaning pregnancy/breastfeeding and therefore in a fertile state) so plastic surgery is just maintaining and caring for your body because it is a temple. The mental gymnastics needed to justify those things are wild as an outsider looking in, but it also doesn’t surprise me that people will find a way to justify anything they want to do.
As Jen said in an interview the teachings of the church merge culture and doctrine which are not one and the same. What she is saying is she can have both her religion and empower women.
As someone who grew up Mormon with the strength of youth pamphlet, I was honestly shocked at these women who claim to be TBM (true believing Mormon). I know many 'progressive' LDS people who claim they mostly believe the doctrine but also make personal choices based on what they think is best for them but would never, ever act in this way. I'm not condemning them, by all means you do you, but they absolutely do not represent the standards of the church. I feel exactly as you do Melissa. Stung a bit.
Similar to one of the comments below I have to disagree with the statement made that the church is becoming more progressive. Yes language from “For the Strength of Youth” has changed and the temple questions have changed slightly but the foundational principles are still there. To me the changes are to make each of us individually more accountable and get the revelation for ourselves.
A church cannot call itself inclusive until women are able and encouraged to hold the highest church calling’s and positions 😢 that one of my biggest issues with the LDS and Catholic Churches 😢😮
As I’ve said in other channels like this one as an ex-Catholic I’ve found the most similarities with ex-Mormons for some reason and the argument of who gets to be a Mormon reminded me of similar fights that happen in other denominations including the Catholic Church, at least until recently most American and European Catholics were known to just mostly ignoring what their own church said about things like birth control so the devout ones like I was really look down on them as “lukewarm” or “cafeteria” believers basically. I’ve found that as an apostate I’ve had an advantage other groups like ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses may not have and that is I can just pretend to be a “lapsed” or cultural Catholic to most people including my own family mostly because I still heavily depend on my own parents for many reasons and I don’t want to rock the boat too much (although I’ve never feared being disowned as that never happened to my sister who did come out as an atheist years before I left). I’ve also heard in podcasts like Mormon Stories about “Mormon culture” and what exactly it is and since Catholicism really is a global religion there’s not one single Catholic culture but many instead, another reason why I may consider myself a cultural Catholic to some extend is that through Spanish colonialism Catholicism really is embedded in my Mexican cultural background and when I tried to eradicate all aspects of the religion in my life I realized I wouldn’t have much left and would have to give up beloved traditions like the posadas that happen near Christmas (and I’ve come to like that holiday more now than I ever did as a Christian) and this all despite that I now consider myself a somewhat anti-clerical atheist and want nothing to do with the church as an institution. Since Mormonism a much younger faith in comparison my impression of a that “Mormon culture” is mostly embedded in Utah and a couple of other places and I wonder how a member in a place like Mexico or Peru sees the church or his Mormon identity compared to someone living in Ogden for example.
Hello, from 🇬🇧 I'm a subscriber to your channel. I haven't watched any of the episodes, i was raised in a majority Christian enviroment (not Mormon) but I'm interested in religious cultures and customs. 👍 P.S. As a tattooed individual myself. What tattoo designs do you have ? Are you done with getting more tattoos ?
Who needs Polygamy when you can just swap partners and have “swing “ parties?🤷🏼♀️ that’s a bit creepy to me, but what do I know I’ve been happily married 33 years 😂
Would it be a case that the LDS think any publicity better than none? A lot of tgese Mormon Mom Vloggers seem to get away with shimmying by some of the rules? Is it the fact that they have lots of money? Seems a bit unfair that they get away with so much that so many were shamed for and felt so much guilt for in regular ordinary life. Looking at the Engish You Tuber and active LDS member Nemo the Norman he is currently facing excommunication for speaking truth and trying from within to make the church better. Seems like a lot of double standards everywhere. And where coffee is so sinful but opiate abuse isnt as bad? Oh dear! Thank ypu again for your lovely commentary as always fair and insightful. Non Mo. Ireland.
LDS church is NOT happy that this is out there. However, what can they do? These girls are definitely going to try and further their careers and seek fame. There is also a huge spectrum of what people do in their personal lives. My friend is married to a very notorious Mormon and the previous LDS prophet censured their activities, but it didn't deter their family from remaining fully active and Mormon, although being called out like that was shock. What Nemo is doing is VERY VERY different. It's going to be seen as leading people astray which is considered an excommunication worthy endeavor. -not too many people qualify to that standard! It's a hugely more intellectual serious business he is involved in.
From a never Mormon perspective, the glirls that are believing Mormons in this show seem superficial and remain part of the church for unexamined reasons. They most likely have never deeply studied the doctrine as Sam and Melissa have. It breaks my heart that the church brands people with the apostate label who are devoted church members just trying to better understand the doctrine. I think Sam and Melissa are awesome, and I do wish they and people like them could be celebrated by the church for their efforts and devotion!
Might not be relevant to this particular string of videos, but I’ve long been curious as to why Mormons and their fundamentalist friends did not adopt head coverings
I’ve always wondered this about all restoration denominations of Christianity, since it’s even in the New Testament that men and women should have their heads covered while in church. But don’t Mormon’s wear head coverings when in the Temple? Maybe that’s just for the endowment ceremony, but I thought it was part of Temple clothing. Could be wrong.
Probably because they want to distinguish themselves form Muslims. It`s more difficult to shout "They are so much worse than us!" if you look the same. To be clear: I think these restrictive religions are all bad.
I followed all those rules still do too in many ways. This makes me angry. I left for doctoral reasons too. I wanted so badly to believe but it wasn't true and wasn't right. And it wasn't for my family.
Lovely video from a lovely talebted lady with a kind heart. If you were to ask me tge highlight of my linedance journey it was telling Heather how much the song and dance Missing meant to me and dancing it with her. Also meeting her and her brave and gorgepus husband. Love seeing the awards the dances and thanks for the memories and your oersonal kindness.
I'm Catholic but I refuse to follow or believe a few things and trust me, many Catholics do. Many of us are culturally living our religion but leaving out things we dont like. I am completely at peace with this. Completely. The church is run by men who dont even have families (at least in public 😅). I won't take absolutely everything men say, like that, seriously. Many religious people around the world follow their religion culturally but not doctrinally.
Be interested to hear your thoughts on the behavior from the 'Men' ( I'll use that word loosely) on the show. The active male members, one was on grinder ( not tinder like the show claimed)& 2 where utter control freaks & gambling & cheating & involved in substance misuse. The control was something else & the way they spoke to their wives was appalling! You definitely need a episode on this alone.
Taylor talks about sleeping around before getting married and then talks about getting married in the Temple. I didn't think that was allowed? Please shed some light on this. Thanks!
People have hormones. We are strictly taught to prepare for a temple marriage from a young age, but from 12+ it gets constant. (Temple marriage used to be quite a bit stricter too.) However, they have to grow the church within reality too. My cousin got pregnant at 15 and was "sealed" in the temple at a later date. I was a 24 year old virgin Mormon bride. (perfect status, but near spinster age!)
In seeing her earlier TikToks and seeing her wedding dress in the picture on the show, I don’t believe she was married in the temple. I’m not sure if it was edited wrong or whatever but her dress wouldn’t cover temple garments and it would be very strange to have a dress like was shown in the pictures & be married in the temple at the same time. 🤷🏻♀️
Love you guys. But lighten up!!! The show was fun (hellllooooo, reality TV) and YES there are mormons, LOTS, like this. I prefer candor over fake keep sweet any day of the week
Melissa, do you ever watch "She's in her Apron" with Kimmy? She's so nice. But she would have been able to tell me what to expect of me as an LDS housewife.
I was so intrigued about how they can’t drink coffee, tea or alcohol but can drink soda. Also how they have soda parties & have soda shops all over town. I wanted more about that because soda has caffeine & is worst than coffee or tea. So will you elaborate on that? Lol
👍🙂 not sure if you already answered this. Are you guys gonna watch & comment on Sister Wives season 19? I hope so I love to hear your views & opinions on SW.❤ ❤❤
On the plus side, you know you've arrived religiously and are part of the cultural fabric when the media starts typecasting you, and you show up as exaggerated characters on TV and in movies. 😊
A lot of it has to do with the rise of social media and how Mormons were early adopters. I consider these girls like 3rd gen. Mormon mommy bloggers started it. Then 1st gen influencers who are about 35 and these who are a bit younger. We were counseled to share our faith online and that is why the huge success has been noted in the media by LDS. "Sharing your faith" evolved to showing your happy family, etc......
I started the show not knowing anything about it. I was shocked. Then it was like a train wreck and i had to finish it. The garments? How can they even wear them. Alot of times the skirts are sooo short and shoulders are bare. I think her name was layla. Her dresses are extremely short
I get why it’s hard for you two to understand how someone can be a part of a religion and not be “all in,” but I think that’s actually how most people live, no matter the religion. They take and leave bits that don’t sit well with them, even if they hold on to the core beliefs. Many Catholics I know do not literally believe in transubstantiation, for example. I know Jews that don’t agree with circumcision, and Muslims that only follow dietary rules during religious holidays. Some will keep that secret, and others will rationalize bending/breaking rules however they see fit. I personally don’t think it’s hypocritical when religions change over time. They wouldn’t exist without humans, and it’s simply a fact that human culture isn’t static. If they don’t adapt, they will either die out, or lead to extremist, insular sects.
Yes, just like the Catholic Church strictly prohibits all birth control yet the overwhelming majority of American Catholics use birth control, condoms, etc.
I’m not Mormon, but have a fascination with it (just ask my husband). When I saw this show, I was tempted to watch it, but saw it was rated MA. I joke that I’m not mature enough for that (I’m 60 😂). I don’t like the language either. Thank you for saving me from watching this terrible show. I knew it wasn’t going to be wholesome in any way.
It’s like a trashy Mormon soap opera. So, I can see watching more episodes with girlfriends on a “Girls Night In”. But, it’s not something I’d watch with the hubs or if there was a chance my kids are awake. 😂 Oh, and I knew Jen when she was a teen, until her family moved to Utah when she was in her mid teens. Loved their family!
Love this channel. I am new here. I love how you are sharing with so many people. I won't watch it, but I know that Hollywood hates Jesus Christ and will do anything to misrepresent, blaspheme, and assault him and his character. I'll go a step farther and question are they really followers of Christ because are we seeing any fruit of the spirit?
I am NOT MORMAN. NEVER HAVE BEEN. SO Why is it if the Mormon Church try so hard to recruit members the LDS the flds and all the rest of them that they will ask you if you're gay when you go there and then they will ask you to leave if you tell him you are that happened to me
We were shocked to see the couple bring a flask to the baby blessing. Considering that they all grew up in the LDS Church, they would know how disrespectful that is to the family of the baby.
I haven't watched this. I know some of what is expected as when I was in foster care as a kid one of the homes I was in was LDS. My granddaughters other set of grandparents are active members of the LDS Church and I stayed at their house for a month when our granddaughter was born. They would never cuss or dress inappropriately and they do wear their garments. They live the way I was taught when I was young and in the LDS foster home. But really gets mean is the people on TH-cam that says so much about being LDS and then their 8 and 9 year old girls have tons of makeup on they're wearing crop tops in short shorts and the father is supposed to be higher up in the church that he has to be there early. Just put a really bad light on the LDS Church I don't think that people should say that their LDS and this that and the other heavenly father and then they do all this stuff that is totally not in line with what the LDS teaches.
Being raised speaking borh French and English where the f-word is equal to heck I'm often ambivalent to how bad the word is when spoken from a French speaking person or on tv (i usually have it on as background noise). But when an English speaking person says the f-word I oohhhh that's not good. French swearing where I live is all related to Catholic church elements.
To my understanding all of the are members of the mainstream LDS church. They want to say they are progressive and trying to expand the boundaries of the church. In Utah I would guess most people would call them "jack Mormons" meaning that they are members of the church but they aren't upholding all the standards that the church expects members to live by or within.
I thought these were lifelong friends, but when you go throughout the series, some of them have only known each other for a few months so it makes you wonder if it is scripted.
I left because of the history, learning that Brigham was an imposter, as Joseph warned, and has led the church to hell (polygamy). The fruit is rotten, whether the actively practice polygamy or not. I believe Joseph. He had ONE wife, Emma.
"In the world but not of the world".... Faaark me dead, that "For the Strength of Youth" bizzo is terrible stuff! Really awful. I speak from experience! Raised super Molly Mormon in Australia and lil bit in the UK. Now, I'm 47yo ex-mo, left in 2000. Didn't fully shake the LDS voodoo until recent years, though. That stuff gets right into your psyche! The hypocrisy across the board is astonishing within the church. I'm so glad I left when I did, despite the personal cost! 😃
I say "Yes We do" right along with Sam every time! 😂 Great channel and content you two!
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Me too! Yes I do 😁
I honestly thought this show was much better than I expected based on the trailers. I feel like it accurately reflected a lot of my experiences growing up and living in the Salt Lake area. I am a similar age to the older women in the group (early 30's) but my parents left the church before I was born. I still have a lot of family that are active members. My parents raised me with very similar standards to the church but maybe like one step less restrictive (example: we don't want you to drink but if you are going to please do it here where we know you will be safe). So, I have always been too "Mormon" and goody good for non-mormons but since I was not a member I definitely experienced a lot of judgement from members. Which meant I didn't date much in high school and there were people who stopped talking to me when they found out I wasn't a member. It was always frustrating because there were plenty of members like these girls who were definitely more wild and living much further out of the standards than I did that were way more accepted than I was just because of the labels we had. Or the members who would still be my friends would try to convert me since I "acted like one anyway".
The same thing happened to me growing up in Provo.
What an interesting perspective on life in Utah. I understand that you don't want to be a member since the doctrine is not true. Yet you relate to a lot of the values and lifestyle. Totally relate. Mormonism is so contradictory. Founded by a con man on a lie, but still contains great people with great intentions, trying to follow God.
I grew up in southern Utah and it was accurate AF.
Great timing! I just saw this show pop up on Hulu and thought, "Seems like an interesting premise, but no. It looks like the Mormon version of Real Housewives." Now I can know the interesting tidbits without suffering through the excessive dramatization. 😂😊
It pretty much is. They are copying RHOSLC.
The look on Sam’s face talking about binge watching “it was a lot” 😂 Thanks for the coverage on this - really interesting.
I’m with Sam
Yes!!! I been waiting on you guys to review this one
I love your videos, Sam and Melissa!! It is always something I look forward to watching!! I wish y'all the best :))
Thank you! ☺️
I love catching up on all my fav ex-mo channels thoughts on the show. As someone who grew up never mormon just in Mesa Arizona so around the culture, and always interested in the history after so many friends growing up had tried to covert me, totally respect and understand your feelings and think they’re completely valid coming from someone who was taught to be the best Mormon you can be- I’ve always thought of it from the Lindsey Hansen Park direction where if you grew up with the doctrine, no matter where you land active/non-active/fundamental, you fall under the Mormon tree so the name didn’t even phase me but it’s nice to understand why it evoked so many feelings and I can only assume that the women of the show also feel that way or understand the feeling from many perspectives as well.
Thank You so much for doing this! I have never emailed a podcaster before this I asked if you all were going to review this show! So happy you are doing it! You Botha are so good at this 😊
Thank you so much for reaching out and for your kind words ❤️
Just started the vid. I have to say a huge thank you to you both. I love your channel firstly. Secondly I’ve been so cringe about this new show I haven’t watched it, so happy you’ve reviewed it so I don’t have too. Currently I’m learning about the LDS church from missionary’s who have been visiting me for almost 5mths now. I live in Australia, and I’ve been on a journey for years now learning all I can about the Christian Faith and judaism. It’s been a wonderful experience to learn from missionaries, also this channel has been an excellent learning opportunity too. I still don’t know if I will be joining any church at this point, I’m just enjoying my learning. Again thank you for making this channel, you have no idea how much this person across the world has learned from you both.
Love you guys. But lighten up!!! The show was fun (hellllooooo, reality TV) and YES they are mormons, LOTS, like this. I prefer candor over fake keep sweet any day of the week
Thank you so so much! ❤️ You're comment means the world to us! We wish you the very best on your journey and are so happy to have been a small part of it 😊
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy thank you. Honestly your both a large part of my learning and I appreciate you both so much for the work and energy also kindness and truth of your channel 😊
Finally got a live. Love your podcast.
What an awesome goal!! Love your content!
It was fascinating! I'm so glad you guys are reacting. I've been following exmo world for years now (personally never-mo) and this was just wild. It sounds like many of these women had situations that resulted in them not being the most molly mormon followers during their young adulthood. Many were pregnant before marriage or have had affairs. It doesn't seem like they're the ones going to the bishop to confess everything. I mean, how is Conner being invited to the baby blessing as such an upstanding member compared to others in the group when he also cheated being on tinder? (Also, having followed these things, it's so interesting to see how Conner quickly talks about his "addiction" and you know that is how it immediately gets labeled when in reality it's a series of choices he made).
It just makes all the rules feel really arbitrary in a way that is impossible not to notice from the outside.
More than anything, the way many of them cling to the idea of the faith while skirting every possible rule is really fascinating to watch. Doing ketamine and laughing gas while saying WoW doesn't allow coffee is just a trip. I want to know desperately what their thoughts are on all the things nuanced or progmos take a different attitude about. What do they think about real and/or celestial polygamy? What do they think about women in the priesthood? What do they think about the different ways the WoW has been interpreted over time? What do they think about having to be called through the veil?
Sorry follow up question... If Taylor were to get excommunicated, that would cancel her sealing with her ex-husband, right? So then if she got back in and got married again, would she be able to get temple married without having to get a special permission to break the other sealing?
Very interesting points and questions. Thank you for this comment! We are also very interested in finding the answers to some of your questions.
I’m none of those categories, I’m a Protestant just sitting here with my popcorn!
I still have an unanswered question about LDS folks. I want to know the LDS belief on relationship with Jewish people. I had the weirdest interactions with LDS folks since moving out west. Down to one family wanting to adopt my child because we are not christian. What the flip was that about? I had to get restraining order and almost pressed charges. Thanks for being so open Melissa and Sam. Your shows are fascinating to me!
They think your people are damned to go to hell. The church post-humously baptised Anne Franke
I don't know much about this topic but you might have heard of the practice of baptizing people after death in the LDS church, sometimes even people who had nothing to do with the LDS in life. The LDS have in the past (I don't know if they do this currently) given honorary baptism to famous Jewish figures, like Anne Franke. I am not sure if this is an attempt to appropriate her image or gain popularity by being associated with someone who is a significant figure historically. I am not sure but it could even be an attempt to attract Jewish people to the LDS. Some Jewish groups have said to the church, "Please stop."
Mormons believe they share ancestry with Jews and the Book of Mormon states that a couple of the twelve tribes of Israel migrated to the US. Mormons are told what tribe they are descended from during a blessing in their young adult years.
@@allyjmjm That's hilarious because aren't most of them descended from Nordic and Germanic people??
@@loto159 yes. It’s a very strange belief.
I feel like there is a lot more moral judgement in LDS Utah, than in other states. Due to the fact that there are so many members of the church, it is a lot easier to make comparisons on how people are living the church standards. And I think that competition creates some backlash. Because of this, there are Utah LDS members that want to "act out", as an emotional defense mechanism to this critical judgement from others. Outside of Utah, I haven't seen this (although it might happen, it's not prominent). My experience outside of Utah, is that LDS members who go to church will try to keep the church standards. I haven't seen purposeful "rebellion."
I have observed the same thing!
Great review and perspective. Thank you!
Hey guys! I love you and your videos. Do you have a video that talks about your decision to leave the LDS church?
Thank you! We don't have a video talking about all the reasons for our decision. We are planning to make one, hopefully soon.
I’m really excited for you to talk about the baby blessing episode. I was expecting it to be like a baptism (I’m Lutheran so we drip water on the infant’s head) and was surprised that it happened in the home rather than during a church service.
I can relate to being shunned for leaving... tough. So much for the importance of families....
When he talks about not understanding how someone can have a belief but not follow it the way at it’s taught, that is very much a point of view from someone who was indoctrinated. Millions and millions of people all over the world of many different religions believe in a base religion, but don’t follow every rule. And I think it’s a difference of believe in god and the basic ideas of a Christian based faith but not agreeing with the role that churches play in that culture. I think a lot of these people hold onto the church because they are scared of not being affiliated with the church. But in their heart and mind they believe their personal relationship with god is more important than the rules, I think probably at the end of the day they believe they can repent and ask god for forgiveness and that it is between them and god and not really think the church should have a say in that, but they also don’t want to lose their connection with the church for many reasons. Just my point of view as someone who’s non religious
Loved your analysis. I think one of the key things that separates the Mormon church from many Christian denominations and makes it a high-demand religion is the fact that “church is for sinners” really isn’t a common attitude within the LDS church. I’ve listened to probably a hundred Mormon Stories episodes, and I’m hard-pressed to think of any where members of the church broke the rules and were met with a “live and let live” attitude. Usually it’s “you’re not worthy”, lots of guilt and shame.
I just listened to Taylor do an interview on Nick Vialle’s podcast and it gave me a whole new level of respect for her!
I just started watching this series yesterday evening… Crazy, it was not what I was expecting from the trailers etc. I will have to binge watch to keep up with your recaps and highlights… I just love listening to your videos.
If they consulted the church first, the show would've been titled, "The Sacred Lives of Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Wives."
While I wasn’t raised Mormon, I was raised Roman Catholic, I can kind of see why people take a “one foot out one foot in” approach, I think there can be a distance people think of between the doctrine and the formal rules that comes with the process of leaving- like not admitting that they’re doing wrong because it might be an admission that they disagree with the doctrine
Good point.
Melissa, I can totally relate to your "Acceptance and Belief in the Church" section!!!! I too was a very orthodox and orthoprax member who has stepped away due to doctrinal reasons and I experience similar feelings as you described in this section.
Two of my former coworkers are a Mormon couple. They were insulted by the portrayal of their religion. I have not seen it. However, each person has a right to believe as they wish and to worship in their own way.
When I was a member of the mainstream Mormon church I used to think the FLDS members I’d see at Costco were so weird! But the longer I watch your channel the more I respect the FLDS for at least being honest about their doctrine, more so than the mainstream church. This stands out when it comes to women’s status. FLDS women know the belong to men( the Priesthood )although how many really like that is unclear. But wow mainstream Mormon women are so gaslighted about it! They are stuck on these weird pedestal where their second class status is justified by their being “ too spiritual “ for the world. Earlier this year one of the women in the general Relief Society presidency said that no other religion granted such broad power to women!!! Yes she said that with a straight face. The pushback from that was so bad they had to disable the comments from the post until they were called out for it.
Then the Relief Society President was found out to have gone to law school at a time when the church president at the time specifically told women not to work. There were so many women angered because they gave up their dreams to follow the prophet and here this woman that disobeyed has now been promoted to the highest calling a woman can have in the Mormon church. So a lot of hypocrisy and mixed messages there.
the FLDS is the true mormon church, as Joseph Smith intended
@annieonpaper u mean the con man who was murdered
If anyone knows how I can watch this in the uk let me know- thank you for discussing the show Sam and Melissa as I’ve been so intrigued! I think one of the reasons people sometimes see LDS as a cult is a lot of the stuff you discuss - shouldn’t confessing sins be about forgiveness and being supported through your repentance and not fear of excommunication? Shouldn’t loving God and having good morals be more important than how you dress or what you do on a Sunday? I think it’s interesting to see the cognitive dissonance people feel about their religion come out in their actions
Best of luck with reaching 100 000! ❤
Have you guys seen Provo's Most Eligible? It's a Mormon version of the Bachelor and then later the Bachelorette. Love to hear your take on it.
We have not seen it yet but we are intrigued now!
I binged the show in 1 days. I enjoyed it lol. I have also watched multiple podcast with different women from the show & they stated that Hulu came up with the title, that they didn’t know that Mormon was going to be in the title. They also said that some are active, some have left, and some are not Mormon but they were raised in the community. Jessi said she had 1 Mormon parent & 1 wasn’t so she is/was never a Mormon. Mykala said her mom was a church leader in the CA Mormon branch & they aren’t as strict. She said she grew up getting cursed out by her mom. Lol. So those 2 are the 1s who don’t identify as Mormon. They also said that weren’t trying to represent Mormonism but more just showing their daily lives & they just happen to be /raised in the Mormon community. The show is mostly about momtok than religion.
This is so interesting! I’m LDS and only made it 30 minutes through this show because I was so disgusted by it all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
You should really watch them on the Vialls Files, they talk way more about their faith and how they view the church. Mikayla and Jessie straight up say they are not Mormon. But I did really enjoy the show. Excited for season 2 lol
And I thought it was interesting that on the podcast they say they wanted it to be more about Utah culture. Not Mormonism. But like you said, Hulu wanted the clicks
With regard to Sam's musing about how to claim a faith and not live it to the letter, it is because certain religions encompasses more than faith. It is about identity and culture as well. I grew up attending RC church regularly and it is such a big part of who I am, how I was raised, how my values were formed, etc., that when I realized I had issues with aspects of the church and started to pull back, I found it was still a core part of my being. I identified with other Catholics because of so many shared experiences. I understood life from that lens so I felt socially and culturally Catholic, although I was struggling with certain beliefs. Unlike many Christian religions, there is no exploring different denominations, with Catholicism. At least when I was growing up, if you were born Catholic, you would die Catholic....lapsed or not. Only 20 years later have I gradually started thinking of myself as someone "raised Catholic" rather than a non-practicing or "not currently practicing" Catholic.
Been waiting for this review!!
Btw you can’t spoil what already rotted.
Edited to add: Thank you Thank you. If I believe this faith I’m going to live it! Wow that was something I really needed to hear. I’m not going to watch the show. I feel like it’s just the devils handiwork.
This sort of thing makes me wonder if, eventually, being "Mormon" might start to be similar to the way a lot of folks say they are Catholic. They might not have set foot in a Catholic church since grade school, but they still identify as Catholic. If you were your Seminary president and graduated from BYU, you might think of yourself as pretty danged Mormon, even if you have had your name removed or been excommunicated. Are we approaching that context as "TBM's" are increasingly less conspicuous by their dress, language, WOW choices, etc? By that standard, the wildest of the "Secret Lives" girls is just as Mormon as the Prophet.
I got sucked down the rabbit hole and watched every episode!!! So crazy! Obviously it's tv and edited to be even wilder than it really is but the amount of time they said F*** was nuts! I've got a potty mouth but dang dude! That was a but much. Draaaaammmmaaa!!!😂😂😂❤❤🍿🍿
Who better to react to this show than Melissa! Guys from being a part of your channel for so long, I kept flagging things while watching like 'Oh that's not Mormon'
Thank you! ❤️
Hats off to you guys for watching these shows for us. I am doing my own binge of Sisterwives, because I want to see where Kody starts to break. I’m on season 15, and I want to pull my brain out of my head. 🤣😅
I started watching this show and immediately thought of your channel! My question: “secret lives” I get, but where is the “Mormon” part??
Thank you for thinking of us ☺️
We agree. When we first started watching, we didn't think there would be much to talk about religiously. But as the show went on, we found that a lot of the women connected so much of their lives to being raised in the church. In some ways, it seems, because they were raised in the church, they have gone extreme to prove a point against church policies.
Even though you are not currently LDS, there is nothing wrong with living by the good standards of the church. Some denominations evolve slower than others. I'm a 4th generation member of a Wesleyan Holiness denomination. I remember as a little kid, when the women of my grandparents' generation never wore makeup, never cut, colored or permed their hair, never wore jewelry or pants. Men wore only navy blue, black, grey, or tan suits, men were to wear white or pastel colored long sleeve shirts. Then comes my mother 😂. Though she believed in the same doctrine, she cut, colored and permed her hair and wore jewelry. On the 50th birthday, she got her ears pierced and bought her first pair of jeans. 😅 I am the 4th generation of the same denomination, and I'm grateful for the ones like Mom, who stopped believing in all of the legalism and taught me and my siblings it all about your personal relationship with Christ.
Thank you for covering this show, I love your content! And now after watching the show Im in a deep rabbit hole to find out all i can about mormonism. Im just a loosly lutheran Finnish girl raised by atheists. 🙈🤭
I was totally shocked that it's apparently OK and very common to do so much plastic surgery in the LDS and Utah, and that it apparently stems from high beauty standards related to youg woman being pretty enough to get a good man or something..? I might be wrong. ✌️ How does this jive with the belief that your body is a temple and then you go and do insane amount on operations? I dont get it. 😇 I would love to hear your views on this topic. Thank you from 🇫🇮! 😊
The Church is not becoming more progressive.
This is the crutches actual stance on piercings and tattoos.
"The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve have declared that we discourage tattoos and also 'the piercing of the body for other than medical purposes. ' We do not, however, take any position 'on the minimal piercing of the ears by women for one pair of earrings'” (Ensign, Nov. 2000, 52)."
It has not changed and note tattoos are included. The reason it us discouraged us because the body is considered a temple.
What about plastic surgery and botox?
@@loto159lots of Mormons do oppose those things, but those that don’t seem to justify it by the fact that a doctor performs them and is therefore “medical”. I’ve also seen some say that plastic surgery is typically done to replicate the appearance one had when younger (firmer skin, no wrinkles) and “healthier” (lower body fat, bigger boobs meaning pregnancy/breastfeeding and therefore in a fertile state) so plastic surgery is just maintaining and caring for your body because it is a temple. The mental gymnastics needed to justify those things are wild as an outsider looking in, but it also doesn’t surprise me that people will find a way to justify anything they want to do.
As Jen said in an interview the teachings of the church merge culture and doctrine which are not one and the same. What she is saying is she can have both her religion and empower women.
This is the new Mormon moment, but this time it is not about a politician, but influencers, reality TV, scandals and fundamentalists.
As someone who grew up Mormon with the strength of youth pamphlet, I was honestly shocked at these women who claim to be TBM (true believing Mormon). I know many 'progressive' LDS people who claim they mostly believe the doctrine but also make personal choices based on what they think is best for them but would never, ever act in this way. I'm not condemning them, by all means you do you, but they absolutely do not represent the standards of the church. I feel exactly as you do Melissa. Stung a bit.
Similar to one of the comments below I have to disagree with the statement made that the church is becoming more progressive. Yes language from “For the Strength of Youth” has changed and the temple questions have changed slightly but the foundational principles are still there. To me the changes are to make each of us individually more accountable and get the revelation for ourselves.
A church cannot call itself inclusive until women are able and encouraged to hold the highest church calling’s and positions 😢 that one of my biggest issues with the LDS and Catholic Churches 😢😮
It is not just the LDS and Catholic churches. Most, if not all, Baptist churches will not allow ladies in ministerial and leadership roles.
Maybe a light hearted topic could be all the pop (soda) shops and how they add different flavors to them
As I’ve said in other channels like this one as an ex-Catholic I’ve found the most similarities with ex-Mormons for some reason and the argument of who gets to be a Mormon reminded me of similar fights that happen in other denominations including the Catholic Church, at least until recently most American and European Catholics were known to just mostly ignoring what their own church said about things like birth control so the devout ones like I was really look down on them as “lukewarm” or “cafeteria” believers basically.
I’ve found that as an apostate I’ve had an advantage other groups like ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses may not have and that is I can just pretend to be a “lapsed” or cultural Catholic to most people including my own family mostly because I still heavily depend on my own parents for many reasons and I don’t want to rock the boat too much (although I’ve never feared being disowned as that never happened to my sister who did come out as an atheist years before I left). I’ve also heard in podcasts like Mormon Stories about “Mormon culture” and what exactly it is and since Catholicism really is a global religion there’s not one single Catholic culture but many instead, another reason why I may consider myself a cultural Catholic to some extend is that through Spanish colonialism Catholicism really is embedded in my Mexican cultural background and when I tried to eradicate all aspects of the religion in my life I realized I wouldn’t have much left and would have to give up beloved traditions like the posadas that happen near Christmas (and I’ve come to like that holiday more now than I ever did as a Christian) and this all despite that I now consider myself a somewhat anti-clerical atheist and want nothing to do with the church as an institution.
Since Mormonism a much younger faith in comparison my impression of a that “Mormon culture” is mostly embedded in Utah and a couple of other places and I wonder how a member in a place like Mexico or Peru sees the church or his Mormon identity compared to someone living in Ogden for example.
Hello, from 🇬🇧 I'm a subscriber to your channel. I haven't watched any of the episodes, i was raised in a majority Christian enviroment (not Mormon) but I'm interested in religious cultures and customs. 👍 P.S. As a tattooed individual myself. What tattoo designs do you have ? Are you done with getting more tattoos ?
Do you think any of these women will hear from their wards based on what they’ve said/done on air?
Who needs Polygamy when you can just swap partners and have “swing “ parties?🤷🏼♀️ that’s a bit creepy to me, but what do I know I’ve been happily married 33 years 😂
Would it be a case that the LDS think any publicity better than none? A lot of tgese Mormon Mom Vloggers seem to get away with shimmying by some of the rules? Is it the fact that they have lots of money? Seems a bit unfair that they get away with so much that so many were shamed for and felt so much guilt for in regular ordinary life. Looking at the Engish You Tuber and active LDS member Nemo the Norman he is currently facing excommunication for speaking truth and trying from within to make the church better. Seems like a lot of double standards everywhere. And where coffee is so sinful but opiate abuse isnt as bad? Oh dear! Thank ypu again for your lovely commentary as always fair and insightful. Non Mo. Ireland.
We love Nemo!!!! :)
LDS church is NOT happy that this is out there. However, what can they do? These girls are definitely going to try and further their careers and seek fame. There is also a huge spectrum of what people do in their personal lives. My friend is married to a very notorious Mormon and the previous LDS prophet censured their activities, but it didn't deter their family from remaining fully active and Mormon, although being called out like that was shock. What Nemo is doing is VERY VERY different. It's going to be seen as leading people astray which is considered an excommunication worthy endeavor. -not too many people qualify to that standard! It's a hugely more intellectual serious business he is involved in.
Growing up around many Mormons as a teen, they were the only ones who didn’t swear and sometimes we’d try to get them to.
How do you find the show we live in Canada and can’t find it
From a never Mormon perspective, the glirls that are believing Mormons in this show seem superficial and remain part of the church for unexamined reasons. They most likely have never deeply studied the doctrine as Sam and Melissa have. It breaks my heart that the church brands people with the apostate label who are devoted church members just trying to better understand the doctrine. I think Sam and Melissa are awesome, and I do wish they and people like them could be celebrated by the church for their efforts and devotion!
Was hoping y’all would review this show so I don’t have to watch it. 😄 previews remind me of housewives series.
I loved it 😅
Thanks!
Thank you so much! ❤️
Might not be relevant to this particular string of videos, but I’ve long been curious as to why Mormons and their fundamentalist friends did not adopt head coverings
I’ve always wondered this about all restoration denominations of Christianity, since it’s even in the New Testament that men and women should have their heads covered while in church. But don’t Mormon’s wear head coverings when in the Temple? Maybe that’s just for the endowment ceremony, but I thought it was part of Temple clothing. Could be wrong.
@@mimimaitri1 ah yes you are right they do wear head coverings in the temple. Not like any normal head coverings though!
Probably because they want to distinguish themselves form Muslims. It`s more difficult to shout "They are so much worse than us!" if you look the same. To be clear: I think these restrictive religions are all bad.
The look on Melissa's face on the thumbnail is fully appropriate! What Almighty God allows!
I followed all those rules still do too in many ways. This makes me angry. I left for doctoral reasons too. I wanted so badly to believe but it wasn't true and wasn't right. And it wasn't for my family.
I agree the lifestyle is enviable, the doctrine is not credible.
@@nolavee3477 What's enviable about the lifestyle? Geniune question
@18:50, I agree. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They want to be called mormon but don't want to follow the doctrine.
Lovely video from a lovely talebted lady with a kind heart. If you were to ask me tge highlight of my linedance journey it was telling Heather how much the song and dance Missing meant to me and dancing it with her. Also meeting her and her brave and gorgepus husband. Love seeing the awards the dances and thanks for the memories and your oersonal kindness.
I'm Catholic but I refuse to follow or believe a few things and trust me, many Catholics do. Many of us are culturally living our religion but leaving out things we dont like. I am completely at peace with this. Completely. The church is run by men who dont even have families (at least in public 😅). I won't take absolutely everything men say, like that, seriously.
Many religious people around the world follow their religion culturally but not doctrinally.
Be interested to hear your thoughts on the behavior from the 'Men' ( I'll use that word loosely) on the show. The active male members, one was on grinder ( not tinder like the show claimed)& 2 where utter control freaks & gambling & cheating & involved in substance misuse.
The control was something else & the way they spoke to their wives was appalling! You definitely need a episode on this alone.
Taylor talks about sleeping around before getting married and then talks about getting married in the Temple. I didn't think that was allowed? Please shed some light on this. Thanks!
If a person is repentant of their sins, they can go through the temple.
People have hormones. We are strictly taught to prepare for a temple marriage from a young age, but from 12+ it gets constant. (Temple marriage used to be quite a bit stricter too.) However, they have to grow the church within reality too. My cousin got pregnant at 15 and was "sealed" in the temple at a later date. I was a 24 year old virgin Mormon bride. (perfect status, but near spinster age!)
In seeing her earlier TikToks and seeing her wedding dress in the picture on the show, I don’t believe she was married in the temple. I’m not sure if it was edited wrong or whatever but her dress wouldn’t cover temple garments and it would be very strange to have a dress like was shown in the pictures & be married in the temple at the same time. 🤷🏻♀️
I couldn’t get past the first 30 minutes of the Mom Talk Show 🤢 and I’m not religious, very scripted & ridiculous!
The first episode was a lot different than the following ones. I almost stopped after it but I am glad I watched the rest.
Agree it was rough I stopped watching also
Get through the first episode-it’s rough, but the rest of the show is a very different vibe!
as someone who loves reality tv it was so good! it’s all about preference don’t hate on them bc of your preference!
Love you guys. But lighten up!!! The show was fun (hellllooooo, reality TV) and YES there are mormons, LOTS, like this. I prefer candor over fake keep sweet any day of the week
Melissa, do you ever watch "She's in her Apron" with Kimmy? She's so nice. But she would have been able to tell me what to expect of me as an LDS housewife.
I was so intrigued about how they can’t drink coffee, tea or alcohol but can drink soda. Also how they have soda parties & have soda shops all over town. I wanted more about that because soda has caffeine & is worst than coffee or tea. So will you elaborate on that? Lol
👍🙂 not sure if you already answered this. Are you guys gonna watch & comment on Sister Wives season 19? I hope so I love to hear your views & opinions on SW.❤ ❤❤
We definitely will be. Stay tuned😁❤️
On the plus side, you know you've arrived religiously and are part of the cultural fabric when the media starts typecasting you, and you show up as exaggerated characters on TV and in movies. 😊
A lot of it has to do with the rise of social media and how Mormons were early adopters. I consider these girls like 3rd gen. Mormon mommy bloggers started it. Then 1st gen influencers who are about 35 and these who are a bit younger. We were counseled to share our faith online and that is why the huge success has been noted in the media by LDS. "Sharing your faith" evolved to showing your happy family, etc......
I started the show not knowing anything about it. I was shocked. Then it was like a train wreck and i had to finish it. The garments? How can they even wear them. Alot of times the skirts are sooo short and shoulders are bare. I think her name was layla. Her dresses are extremely short
Good catch. Not all of them were wearing garments and those that were, must have been wearing the petite sizes which come with shorter lengths.
I get why it’s hard for you two to understand how someone can be a part of a religion and not be “all in,” but I think that’s actually how most people live, no matter the religion. They take and leave bits that don’t sit well with them, even if they hold on to the core beliefs. Many Catholics I know do not literally believe in transubstantiation, for example. I know Jews that don’t agree with circumcision, and Muslims that only follow dietary rules during religious holidays. Some will keep that secret, and others will rationalize bending/breaking rules however they see fit.
I personally don’t think it’s hypocritical when religions change over time. They wouldn’t exist without humans, and it’s simply a fact that human culture isn’t static. If they don’t adapt, they will either die out, or lead to extremist, insular sects.
Yes, just like the Catholic Church strictly prohibits all birth control yet the overwhelming majority of American Catholics use birth control, condoms, etc.
I’m not Mormon, but have a fascination with it (just ask my husband). When I saw this show, I was tempted to watch it, but saw it was rated MA. I joke that I’m not mature enough for that (I’m 60 😂). I don’t like the language either. Thank you for saving me from watching this terrible show. I knew it wasn’t going to be wholesome in any way.
It’s like a trashy Mormon soap opera. So, I can see watching more episodes with girlfriends on a “Girls Night In”. But, it’s not something I’d watch with the hubs or if there was a chance my kids are awake. 😂
Oh, and I knew Jen when she was a teen, until her family moved to Utah when she was in her mid teens. Loved their family!
Love this channel. I am new here. I love how you are sharing with so many people. I won't watch it, but I know that Hollywood hates Jesus Christ and will do anything to misrepresent, blaspheme, and assault him and his character. I'll go a step farther and question are they really followers of Christ because are we seeing any fruit of the spirit?
The women that want to change things don't leave because they want the church to bend to their way..
I haven’t watched this show but it sounds like a watered down version of “The Housewives of Salt Lake City.”
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What’s with the promo shots with the blue coats?
I am NOT MORMAN. NEVER HAVE BEEN. SO Why is it if the Mormon Church try so hard to recruit members the LDS the flds and all the rest of them that they will ask you if you're gay when you go there and then they will ask you to leave if you tell him you are that happened to me
What's with the blue jackets the women are wearing in the Intro? ❤
This should be called Braking Mormon.
I’m interested in your opinions about the couple who brought the flask to the baby blessing after party. 🤔
We were shocked to see the couple bring a flask to the baby blessing. Considering that they all grew up in the LDS Church, they would know how disrespectful that is to the family of the baby.
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I’m an atheist and I don’t use foul language like the momtok girls
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@@ajensen366 it was a joke hehe , atheist get it?
I haven't watched this. I know some of what is expected as when I was in foster care as a kid one of the homes I was in was LDS. My granddaughters other set of grandparents are active members of the LDS Church and I stayed at their house for a month when our granddaughter was born. They would never cuss or dress inappropriately and they do wear their garments. They live the way I was taught when I was young and in the LDS foster home. But really gets mean is the people on TH-cam that says so much about being LDS and then their 8 and 9 year old girls have tons of makeup on they're wearing crop tops in short shorts and the father is supposed to be higher up in the church that he has to be there early. Just put a really bad light on the LDS Church I don't think that people should say that their LDS and this that and the other heavenly father and then they do all this stuff that is totally not in line with what the LDS teaches.
Temple worthy members are encouraged to wear their sacred garments daily. The standards are not being loosened., the opposite, standards have risen.
Being raised speaking borh French and English where the f-word is equal to heck I'm often ambivalent to how bad the word is when spoken from a French speaking person or on tv (i usually have it on as background noise). But when an English speaking person says the f-word I oohhhh that's not good. French swearing where I live is all related to Catholic church elements.
What kind of Mormons are these girls? I didn’t think there were different brands of Mormons?..
some get to talk differently, clothing, pre sex,
To my understanding all of the are members of the mainstream LDS church. They want to say they are progressive and trying to expand the boundaries of the church. In Utah I would guess most people would call them "jack Mormons" meaning that they are members of the church but they aren't upholding all the standards that the church expects members to live by or within.
I thought these were lifelong friends, but when you go throughout the series, some of them have only known each other for a few months so it makes you wonder if it is scripted.
They are not very religious! They seem to try to get around the rules.
Convert here. I find people get very hung up on cultural issues and turkey do not understand the difference
I left because of the history, learning that Brigham was an imposter, as Joseph warned, and has led the church to hell (polygamy). The fruit is rotten, whether the actively practice polygamy or not. I believe Joseph. He had ONE wife, Emma.
It seems like a show about mean girls.
"In the world but not of the world".... Faaark me dead, that "For the Strength of Youth" bizzo is terrible stuff! Really awful. I speak from experience! Raised super Molly Mormon in Australia and lil bit in the UK. Now, I'm 47yo ex-mo, left in 2000. Didn't fully shake the LDS voodoo until recent years, though. That stuff gets right into your psyche! The hypocrisy across the board is astonishing within the church. I'm so glad I left when I did, despite the personal cost! 😃