Specifically, this was the Raiden National, or Rational team. National team was originally Xiangling-Bennett-Xingqiu-Chongyun, and many national variations have arisen, focusing on the Xiangling-Bennett core
you should be funneling energy particles into Xiangling so she can get her burst back faster. Also with Raiden in the party, Bennett, Xiangling and Xingqiu can be built with less energy recharge (150% ER is enough) and built with more offensive stats. Raiden can regen most of the energy and with proper particle funneling, bursts should be availble every rotation.
Well for bennett and xingqiu is no problem, but for Xiangling you still need 200%+ ER since it requires like 80 energy. Plus this team is burst off field dps based so they can all be using Emblem (which makes er less concerning) with bennett using nobless Edit: Seems like everyone is proving me wrong lol, well let's just say I'm terrible at rotation xD xiangling only need more than 150% er, that's it
@@BenziLZK My XiangLing has like 140 er and as soon as Raiden's burst is over i put Bennett to generate energy for Xianling, that makes a perfectly smooth rotation
I love watching people discover how insane Raiden national is 😂 also Moga, if Xiangling doesn't have her burst you can do Bennett E and immediately switch to Xiangling so she can catch his pyro particles
For me it was : "Imma maybe try Raiden national but my xiangling and xingqiu aren't really build and Bennett buff like 700-800 atk, my Raiden not C2 yet" *2 seconds later* "OH SHI- WHAT THE ACTUAL FUUUU-"
@@Oalowj62901 Yes, and I haven't even tried after getting raiden's C3, the team literally carried, and if I got 2 stars that's pretty because of the team 2 (cuz we need so many things like 2 geos, a healer so lol)
The secret between that team is multi reaction, by applying pyro (xiangling) into electro charge reaction (raiden+xingqiu). Because electrocharge can apply both hydro+electro at the same time on the enemy, so that xiangling can vaporize and overload at the same time when she hit the pyronado to electrocharged enemy. So thats why that team is strong. Another variant, you can apply the same concept by using hutao on top of fischl/beido+xingqiu.
@@ReallytallRosa As an international main I think international is the strongest national in aoe/clumps of enemies and rational is the strongest national in single target/bosses, so these two variants are the best imo depending on the situation
@@-Theo- international still does way more damage since kazuha would be there too and you can double swirl plus vape burst childe dealing crazy damage, rational team is only better for most since its way easier to play and you cant mess up with it also the fact that raiden has superarmor duing burst so you dont have to dodge as much
Tipp for Rational: do Raiden's E at the start of the rotation without hitting the enemies. (So press E right as you start the challenge before the enemies gain aggro on you) Why? Bc hitting the enemies with the E applies Electro, the next step in the rotation would be Bennett's Q (applies Pyro) resulting in Overload, which knocks the enemies outside of Bennett's Q and places them out of reach. Not a game-braking Tipp, but it allows for smoother gameplay bc you don't have stop your rotation and wait until the enemies run back into reach
i like better another rotation that has almost 100 uptime, but u need sac sword on xingqiu max refinement i think, Raiden E Xingqiu Q Bennet Q E Xiangling Q before catching the particles from Bennet E then Xingqiu double E and last Raiden Q when finish u should have all set for next rotation but u need at least 160-180 ER in everyone and at least 220 on raiden
2.5 is a relatively easy abyss cycle. But as a mobile player even earlier "easy" abyss cycles were always hard for me. But I got Raiden yesterday and has raised her with all the pre farming I did. And today I was finally able to clear all of floor 12 with all the stars!Thanks to Rational team and a very weird, but working, Ganyu-Diano-Zhongli-Kazuha team for the wolflord and other second halves. Thanks to Raiden-sama
do you think its quite hard to use this come to fight small mobs? I just got raiden yesterday also, and when I face the small mobs, I need to catch them to reach xiangling's burst when raiden is on her Q.. any suggestions maybe? Thanks in advance
@@ryujingaming024 yeah I do find that with smaller, more spread out mobs it's a luttle harder. But if your damage is good enough you won't struggle at all. If you have Kazuha or Sucrose, you could use them instead of bennett or xiangling (though the damage may not be as good) and clump the enemies together. But like I said, you would usually not have any problems even against those enemies because the damage and energy generation is good enough.
@@ryujingaming024 raiden charged attacks can covee quite a lot range so you don't have to go super close to them. Also to utilize raiden ult fully best attack pattern is 3 normal 1 charged attack.
i love raiden soo much!! she's such a good character. i won my 50/50 yesterday for her yesterday. she has two artifacts, all her talents are level 0, she's level 73, with a level 80 catch (which is r5) and her burst is already doing like 10k. she's insane!!
@@serenrenren thank you! it's going well so far, whenever i get decent artifacts they usually roll out pretty well:) not always on crit rate/dmg, but it works for right now.
New abyss was kinda easy tbh Also: thats raiden national, normal nationteam is xiangling bennett xingqiu chongyun/sucrose Variations with raiden, childe kazuha exist
the "national" nickname was coined due to the team having 3 liyue characters xiangling xingqiu chongyun + bennett. other variants became discovered after a while, all still having xiangling + bennett as the most important members: > national + anemo having xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, sucrose/kazuha > international consists of xiangling, bennett, childe, kazuha all from different nations, hence the name of the team > raiden national/rational having the national core xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, and raiden as the driver
the og national team is xiangling, xingqiu, chongyun, and benny (i see chongyun being subbed with kazuha or sucrose a lot as well); this would just be the raiden national comp ^^
what actually is chongyun's role there? i personally use the childe international team (from what i know its variation of nationa;) and as fourth character i use kazuha there, so idk what the fourth character really bring to the team
@@sollumi3014 the 4 th character (chongyun) would be the driver. Basically he’s the main dps. This team is actually insanely good because while you can do big melt dmg, afterwards you can pop a xinqiu q and make it a freeze comp (since xinqiu s water swords will always hit the enemy before a basic attack or any attack of that matter, applying hydro and with a chongyun e and basic attacks, this will freeze the enemies)
For Golden Wolflord: if you have Albedo and a ranged unit like a Gorou in a mono geo comp, you can slice off about 1/4th (well, depends on how good your builds are hahah) of the boss' health while he's still flying in the air in the beginning. It's super fun just shooting him while Albedo's E's are proccing, I definitely recommend trying it out if you've got the units :^D!
@@leonp.2171 Not every hit would hit him unless your placement is perfect, so ranged definitely has the upper hand there, but yeah that works too! Elevator supremacy 😎
"I know her pyronado can do a massive amount of damage" Yeah you could say that... She's the main DPS in National and it's the de-facto strongest comp against abyss boss enemies (because freeze doesn't work on bosses) without high-constellation 5*s, lmao.
@@Ben-vg6ox I meant International is just a strictly better version of National (the best afaik; I know Raiden's National team is strong too though). By National I really mean any team using the Bennett+Xiangling core, which has been top dog in some form since 1.0. You could argue Tartaglia is the main DPS in International since he's on-field, but he's still ultimately there to set up reverse vaporise for Xiangling; He just deals heavy non-reaction damage in between pyronado hits as well.
@@kaustavkoner3274 If you're comparing both without a team or with only Bennett and for the first ten seconds, yeah. She suffers more from lower team flexibility meaning it's harder to just stack up supports for her successfully, though, and her uptime is substantially worse than Xiangling's, so once you work out their average DPS over time the comparison is unfavourable for Hu Tao even assuming a stationary non-aggressive target and the same team for both. Also as Ben brought up, one of Xiangling's advantages is the ability to continue "attacking" off-field, meaning you can use her with characters like Tartaglia, Raiden or, indeed, Hu Tao herself for even higher damage with no damage dropped from Xiangling (though of those three Hu Tao is barely even a consideration).
the "national" nickname was coined due to the team having 3 liyue characters xiangling, xingqiu, chongyun, and bennett as the 4th team member. other variants became discovered after a while, all still having xiangling + bennett as the most important members: > national + anemo having xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, sucrose/kazuha > international consists of xiangling, bennett, kazuha, and childe as the driver. all from different nations, hence the name of the team > raiden national/rational having the national core xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, and raiden as the driver
@Moga I’ve noticed throughout your video that you seem to have a small misconception about energy recharge. Energy recharge increases the amount of energy that you regenerate per energy particle FOR THAT CHARACTER (E.g 200% energy recharge on xingqiu means that he gets double the energy for 1 particle). Having high energy recharge on one character doesn’t help the other characters regenerate their energy. Supports/off field damage characters just want higher ER because characters get less energy per particle when they are not on field. Hope you see this!!
The main advantage of raiden national team is that you can run xiangling and xinqui on lower energy recharge than normal so that they can focus more on damage coz shogun refunds some energy. Like raiden national is only team (and kokomi taser i guess) were you can get away running lions roar or jade cutter on xinqui. Idk who told you to run so high er but its some common sense when you see the raiden's kit. Anyway still enough to clear abyss easily..
i've always wanted to try the national team, and i finally pulled raiden, i honestly wasn't expecting my luck to be that good So this was perfect timing, thank you Moga!
because of how expensive the rational comps supports are running them with a freeze team with ayaka or a mono geo(like you did) which dont have similar supports is usually the way
Nice video Moga! Here's some additional info about the National Team: The original national team started getting popular in chinese servers about a year or so ago, and consisted of chongyun, xiangling, xingqiu and bennnett. It got the name "National" because of 3/4 characters being from Liyue aka China. Since then, multiple variations of this team have gotten popular, and the one you were using is "Rational" aka Raiden National. Other popular national teams are "International" with Childe instead of Raiden and Kazuha/Sucrose to replace xingqiu because Childe does the hydro application, and a twist to the original national is replacing Chongyun with Sucrose so the entire team consists of 4 stars (xiangling bennett xingqiu sucrose). In National the main damage dealer is always Xiangling, who, because of this team existing, is one of the best DPSes in the entire game, with C6 Xiangling being better than a lot of 5 star DPSes even if said 5 star DPSes also have constellations. Since your Raiden has constellations however, she is doing most of the DMG here, but don't underestimate Xiangling! I run c0 Raiden with National and my team seems to be clearing things in the same amount of time as yours, which is crazy! I can't wait to see you try out more variations of national in the future. (P.S. If your Xingqiu is C6 i think your ER might be a little too high on him considering Raiden recharges team bursts too! But for Xiangling getting her about 190%+ ER will be great)
Rational is so good and really fun as well, only downside to is it takes 3 of the best supports(4 if we're counting shogun) in the game, my hu tao is needing her water dude, but I guess is doesn't matter for this abyss rotation. Also Raiden hyper carry is still a good alt, from what I heard even C0 hyper carry is still good especially with kazuha who I really need.
My xingqiu is either with hutao or ayaka too so I actually use kokomi (accidentally got her from her first run) for my Rational instead. Give her tenacity and thrilling tales, she's also gonna further buff your Raiden ^^
@@miccimichi5308 With Ayaka you'd be better off running Kokomi and using XQ with national. Kokomi applies hydro with her e fast enough to keep freeze up, has 100% uptime as long as you burst at ~10 sec to refresh it, and it pulses in an aoe instead of being single target. XQ is much better than koko for national due to how fast hydro gets used up by XL. Hu however kinda has to have XQ so in that case it's your only option.
You can try to mix and match xingqiu’s spot in Rational. The damage output will definitely be subpar but it’s pretty worth to give it a shot. Personally, I use albedo for his off-field dmg or diona for extra survivability if I’m running a hutao team on the other side.
i absolutely LOVE this team and have been using it for abyss since i got raiden months ago. im glad more people are using this team now that raiden is on her rerun! GOODLUCK EVERYONE WHO IS PULLING FOR HER
You should try raifish (bennet, kazu, raiden and fish).There are multiple enemies so national raiden should be pretty weak here since multiple enemies = 20-25k dps loss. The rot is raiden e > bennet ult > kazu e q > fish e q > raiden ult > repeat but keep in mind the next rot after the first one has fish do q and the 3rd rot should have her do e q. So make sure to use e q every other rot and in between those rot just use fish ult to Re deploy oz because raiden can charge her ult pretty fast so fish ult should be ready every rot, recommended er on fish is like 115-120
I hate to be "that" guy but this is the Rational Team ('R'aiden N'ational') National team is actually the chongyun variant instead raiden There's also a Childe variant with benny XL and sucrose it's the international team 😂
Tfw you made the national comp when wanting to make your own unique team without realizing it. the comp is so good even newbies make it without knowing its a legit comp
National as a few variants actually, and this one is commonly called Rational (a shorter version of Raiden National). The “OG” National used to be XL, Benny, Waterboy and Chongyun, and usually people replace either Waterboy with Childe (for the international variant) or Chongyun with Sucrose, Venti, Kazuha or, in this case, Raiden. Also a little tip which a million other comments have already given is to try to funnel particles to XL, a rotation I found on Reddit and that I commonly use with Rational goes something like this: Raiden Skill, XQ Burst( to apply wet to the enemies), Benny Burst (to vape) to Skill( to generate particles), XL Burst right away (to catch the particles generated by Benny) to skill (you can do some autos to catch at least 1 particle from Guoba), to XQ skill (remember to catch the particles, I often don’t which means i don’t have his burst up when I need it), to Raiden burst. USUALLY, if unlike me you know how to play, this rotation should allow you to have bursts up on cooldown.
You can use PJC on xingqui with raiden on the team instead of sacrificial. But use an ER sands. Xiangling needs only 170% ER which she can get with just lvl 90 catch and 2 piece emblem and no ER sub stats. But you need to funnel particles twice with bennett.
Raiden really carried my team on abyss. Zhongli made me reach 10-3 in just 25 days playing genshin starting ar 1 and Raiden helped me clear 11-1 to 11-3 she's so awesome I love her
the national team can actually be played with any DPS, Bennett, Xiangling, and Xingqiu with your chosen DPS, that team is specifically the “Raiden National” team comp
so,,, after this video i decided to pull for raiden ive been wanting her for a long time, but i went for kokomi the first time, back in??? september?? october??? but today is my birthday and i thought well, maybe today is the day when i get her..? so i texted my friend to pull for rainden on my acc (bc i left my laptop in another country, being a refugee from ua and having difficulties with luggage) anyways my frieand agreed and before that i said like 'wr pull till first 5*, after that we stop' maybe luck, maybe birthday energy, but i won 50/50!! on 51st pull right after yae moga, im very glad yiu made this video,,,, it brought much more happiness than youd expected, thank you
For raiden national, you don’t need everyone to have insane ER stats since raiden boosts their energy generation, so for Xingqiu you can run a more damage based setup with attack goblet and/or sword. I think lion’s roar is better than sac sword in raiden national
At this point, if you're an engdame player, You should probably have 300+ hilichurl mask. They are literally everywhere (I have 600+ hilichurl mask lmfao)
150% er is enough for Benny and Xiangling, I mostly run this team with Kazuha instead of Xingqiu for CC and elemental damage bonus, but for me only Xingqiu really needs 200% er at least. Bennett is fine with 136, but I run him with Amenoma, which isn't ideal for attack boost but still good for quicker er for bursts. Love it, it's my strongest team
like some ppl mentioned its not only national team variant. i know theres original, begin benny, xiang, xinqiu, and idk what with fourth character theres also international (i think) that replaces xinqui with childe (its one im using) tbh as long as you use benny - xinagling - hydro applicator it counts as one of the versions of that team im predicting ppl will try that team with ayato as applicator too, if his skills allow it
okok so national is only xiangling xingqiu and benny. xq can swapp w childe but yeah. the last slot can be many diff characters, raiden, sucrose, ganyu etc. the team is then named after the last char so this is the raiden national or the rationall team. and for seemless/smooth rotations 200 er is reccomended for everyone but shogun. she wants 200+ id go like 250 or smt wich is really easy to get. xl is also by far the main source of dmg so she really wants 4pc emblem, xl does far more than hutao in aoe dmg anf yeah shes pretty broken. it migh be diff for c3 raiden tho and btw you need to do raiden e before xl burst cause she snapshotts
lmao yt algorythm is wild, this video got recommended to me literally 2 days after i pulled raiden - guess i'm off to build her, water dude and benny now lol
One of the Amazing things is that you don't even have to build them properly to have decent results I remember getting my first 36 stars with this team comp when my XL was level 60 (although she did have +20 artifacts)
@@sev559 I just gave them both semi-built artifacts and my Raiden hit 33k (literally the first time she does more than 16K) and I'm super happy. She's not fully raised either!
The raiden national team is wonderful. My C0 raiden does wonderful. Sub 1 minute clears on the side i use them in. Then my second team has 4 minutes to clear the other side. Cant be bothered to go insane for 36 stars. 33 is good enough for me as a f2p
I've always seen national team showcases in abyss, and it didn't help me much because my 2nd team would be close to empty. So for months i just separate them and just add the same element as my main dps. Might be good to see some alternatives imo.
Well raiden has only one playable build. Full emblem set, signature weapon/the catch/waverider fin (what I use). The sands should always be er, goblet can be atk if she is missing a lot (with waverider she can use electro goblet fine). Her er has to be at least 230 I think:) Feel free to add to this comment in case I forgot domething:)
Yes R5 the catch, full emblem set. You should build her on er/atk and atk/electro dmg depending on your sub stats. CR/crit dmg hat as usual, and prioritize her burst over e and dont level her AA
The raiden national comp (Rational) is actually built on having the sub DPS, ie. Xiangling and Xingqiu have lower ER and more DPS output coz Raiden funnels roughly 25 energy back. Moga cleared it fast coz he's a whale lol, but he could've cleared it faster if xingqiu was on an ATK sands with lion's roar or other DPS weapons at 170-180 ER
Its been 4months of me not using childe and everytime i tried to use him. He deals very low dmg and idk why. Today, i tried to use his international teamcomps or smthing that consist these 2, childe, and zhongli and holy shit. I killed cryo regisvine in 5seconds which is my new record. Even Xiangling arent proprrly built, i can take down that cryo flowey so incredibly fast. Man this teamcomps is so op.
The key of this national team was to use bennet skill into xiangling burst also bennet skill into xiangling auto attack because you need to feed her some energy particals if your er is less then 180% also in rotations you mainly want to go bennet ult into bennet skill into xiangling ult so that she will catch some particals beforehand and then xingqiu skill ult skill catch particals then shogun ult
if raiden has the catch, what spear should xiangling have?? I dont know what to choose between dragon’s bane and favonious lance since those are the only ones i have
I use national team for the this abyss rotation and the past few ones, it helped me get my first 36* a few rotations ago, now I have c3 raiden so it’s even more cracked
man, this abyss in particular it was the very first i could almost got all stars, a manage to get 35 stars, unfortunately the chamber 1 floor 12 i could get only 2 stars but i'm really happy i could finally got so close to the end after playing this since 2020
"Let's just spam their bursts and hope for the best." Me everyday
-Moga 2022
after kidnapping a Shogun of my own I must say this is exactly what the game becomes
IMAO same here & thinking why it's not working
Me doing abyss with itto and raiden be like
random bullshit go!
Specifically, this was the Raiden National, or Rational team. National team was originally Xiangling-Bennett-Xingqiu-Chongyun, and many national variations have arisen, focusing on the Xiangling-Bennett core
2 bennetts in 1 team 😰
@@UozaCrafts ig chongus doesnt exist anymore
@@UozaCrafts xd my bad, fixed now
Xiangling-bennett- hydro applicator
Why do people call anything with bennett and xiangling "national something team"? Even if most characters aren't from liyue 🤔
you should be funneling energy particles into Xiangling so she can get her burst back faster. Also with Raiden in the party, Bennett, Xiangling and Xingqiu can be built with less energy recharge (150% ER is enough) and built with more offensive stats. Raiden can regen most of the energy and with proper particle funneling, bursts should be availble every rotation.
Well for bennett and xingqiu is no problem, but for Xiangling you still need 200%+ ER since it requires like 80 energy.
Plus this team is burst off field dps based so they can all be using Emblem (which makes er less concerning) with bennett using nobless
Edit: Seems like everyone is proving me wrong lol, well let's just say I'm terrible at rotation xD
xiangling only need more than 150% er, that's it
@@BenziLZK nah, she needs like 160-180 and low funneling in this comp
@@BenziLZK 200% Is too much for Xiangling, she will lose damage beacause you are going to miss with other stats
@@BenziLZK My XiangLing has like 140 er and as soon as Raiden's burst is over i put Bennett to generate energy for Xianling, that makes a perfectly smooth rotation
@@xaocsadge How come? if you use emblem set, 200 Er is standardt.
You should try the 'Sukokomon' team comp next time! The screen will be filled with different reactions!
What is that team ?
@@kirariixm7799 Sucrose, Kokomi, Fischl, Xiangling, super meta but also extremely hard to play right
@@kirariixm7799 sukokomon is sucrose, kokomi, xiangling and fischl
@@kirariixm7799 sucrose kokomi fischl xiangling
Strongest and the most fun team
SUcroseKOKOmipokeMON
Pokemon cz guoba oz and the jelly fish
Sucrose Kokomi xiangling Fischl
I love watching people discover how insane Raiden national is 😂 also Moga, if Xiangling doesn't have her burst you can do Bennett E and immediately switch to Xiangling so she can catch his pyro particles
Hey I just saw you in another video!
Yup, a lil bit of energy funneling will up Xiangling burst in no time
For me it was :
"Imma maybe try Raiden national but my xiangling and xingqiu aren't really build and Bennett buff like 700-800 atk, my Raiden not C2 yet"
*2 seconds later*
"OH SHI- WHAT THE ACTUAL FUUUU-"
@@Malloooow it was that strong?
@@Oalowj62901 Yes, and I haven't even tried after getting raiden's C3, the team literally carried, and if I got 2 stars that's pretty because of the team 2 (cuz we need so many things like 2 geos, a healer so lol)
The secret between that team is multi reaction, by applying pyro (xiangling) into electro charge reaction (raiden+xingqiu). Because electrocharge can apply both hydro+electro at the same time on the enemy, so that xiangling can vaporize and overload at the same time when she hit the pyronado to electrocharged enemy. So thats why that team is strong.
Another variant, you can apply the same concept by using hutao on top of fischl/beido+xingqiu.
I use Yoimiya with C6 Fischl and Kokomi,
@@Alien-qg2yn c6 Kokomi?
@@IAmGodHimself777 I think they ment c0 kokomi and yoimiya...I hope
I think trying every variation of national team would be really fun
Hopefully soon he tries out the best one international
@@ReallytallRosa
As an international main I think international is the strongest national in aoe/clumps of enemies and rational is the strongest national in single target/bosses, so these two variants are the best imo depending on the situation
@@ReallytallRosa what's the international variant tho
@@chipchocolate4892 childe xiangling bennet kazuha
@@-Theo- international still does way more damage since kazuha would be there too and you can double swirl plus vape burst childe dealing crazy damage, rational team is only better for most since its way easier to play and you cant mess up with it also the fact that raiden has superarmor duing burst so you dont have to dodge as much
Tipp for Rational: do Raiden's E at the start of the rotation without hitting the enemies. (So press E right as you start the challenge before the enemies gain aggro on you)
Why? Bc hitting the enemies with the E applies Electro, the next step in the rotation would be Bennett's Q (applies Pyro) resulting in Overload, which knocks the enemies outside of Bennett's Q and places them out of reach.
Not a game-braking Tipp, but it allows for smoother gameplay bc you don't have stop your rotation and wait until the enemies run back into reach
i like better another rotation that has almost 100 uptime, but u need sac sword on xingqiu max refinement i think, Raiden E Xingqiu Q Bennet Q E Xiangling Q before catching the particles from Bennet E then Xingqiu double E and last Raiden Q when finish u should have all set for next rotation but u need at least 160-180 ER in everyone and at least 220 on raiden
2.5 is a relatively easy abyss cycle. But as a mobile player even earlier "easy" abyss cycles were always hard for me. But I got Raiden yesterday and has raised her with all the pre farming I did.
And today I was finally able to clear all of floor 12 with all the stars!Thanks to Rational team and a very weird, but working, Ganyu-Diano-Zhongli-Kazuha team for the wolflord and other second halves. Thanks to Raiden-sama
do you think its quite hard to use this come to fight small mobs? I just got raiden yesterday also, and when I face the small mobs, I need to catch them to reach xiangling's burst when raiden is on her Q.. any suggestions maybe? Thanks in advance
@@ryujingaming024 yeah I do find that with smaller, more spread out mobs it's a luttle harder. But if your damage is good enough you won't struggle at all. If you have Kazuha or Sucrose, you could use them instead of bennett or xiangling (though the damage may not be as good) and clump the enemies together. But like I said, you would usually not have any problems even against those enemies because the damage and energy generation is good enough.
@@ryujingaming024 raiden charged attacks can covee quite a lot range so you don't have to go super close to them. Also to utilize raiden ult fully best attack pattern is 3 normal 1 charged attack.
@@UMIunited thanks bro, imma try it later..
@@ablinkan8818 ah i see, thanks a lot for your tips
i love raiden soo much!! she's such a good character. i won my 50/50 yesterday for her yesterday. she has two artifacts, all her talents are level 0, she's level 73, with a level 80 catch (which is r5) and her burst is already doing like 10k. she's insane!!
good luck raising her more
@@serenrenren thank you! it's going well so far, whenever i get decent artifacts they usually roll out pretty well:) not always on crit rate/dmg, but it works for right now.
New abyss was kinda easy tbh
Also: thats raiden national, normal nationteam is xiangling bennett xingqiu chongyun/sucrose
Variations with raiden, childe kazuha exist
its often called rational. also childe and kazuha variant is called international
it was super easy tbh, with Rational in first half I did floor 12 chambers in 15 secs lol
It was rly easy...I just now 9 starred it once more out of boredom in one go
the "national" nickname was coined due to the team having 3 liyue characters xiangling xingqiu chongyun + bennett. other variants became discovered after a while, all still having xiangling + bennett as the most important members:
> national + anemo having xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, sucrose/kazuha
> international consists of xiangling, bennett, childe, kazuha all from different nations, hence the name of the team
> raiden national/rational having the national core xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, and raiden as the driver
Fun fact: you can actually hit the wolf lord with itto while he’s in the air lol
the og national team is xiangling, xingqiu, chongyun, and benny (i see chongyun being subbed with kazuha or sucrose a lot as well); this would just be the raiden national comp ^^
what actually is chongyun's role there? i personally use the childe international team (from what i know its variation of nationa;) and as fourth character i use kazuha there, so idk what the fourth character really bring to the team
@@sollumi3014 the 4 th character (chongyun) would be the driver. Basically he’s the main dps. This team is actually insanely good because while you can do big melt dmg, afterwards you can pop a xinqiu q and make it a freeze comp (since xinqiu s water swords will always hit the enemy before a basic attack or any attack of that matter, applying hydro and with a chongyun e and basic attacks, this will freeze the enemies)
@@iluvcats4597 not quite a “driver” , hes just a sub dps with his big dmg burst, cooldown reduction, and semi melt freeze
@@andrewjamez9741 yes those are some other points I forgot to make, either ways you get what I’m trying to say
For Golden Wolflord: if you have Albedo and a ranged unit like a Gorou in a mono geo comp, you can slice off about 1/4th (well, depends on how good your builds are hahah) of the boss' health while he's still flying in the air in the beginning. It's super fun just shooting him while Albedo's E's are proccing, I definitely recommend trying it out if you've got the units :^D!
OOO I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT my yoimiya and xingqiu are a good pair against the wolf but its never enough lol, maybe albedo will get me three stars :DD
Tbh you could also just get on top of the elevator and melee him too I think, right? XD
It’s also good for Spectors :D
@@leonp.2171 Not every hit would hit him unless your placement is perfect, so ranged definitely has the upper hand there, but yeah that works too! Elevator supremacy 😎
can i use Ningguang?
"I know her pyronado can do a massive amount of damage"
Yeah you could say that... She's the main DPS in National and it's the de-facto strongest comp against abyss boss enemies (because freeze doesn't work on bosses) without high-constellation 5*s, lmao.
Isn't hu tao slightly better for single target?
International is also really good in single target as well
@@Ben-vg6ox I meant International is just a strictly better version of National (the best afaik; I know Raiden's National team is strong too though). By National I really mean any team using the Bennett+Xiangling core, which has been top dog in some form since 1.0. You could argue Tartaglia is the main DPS in International since he's on-field, but he's still ultimately there to set up reverse vaporise for Xiangling; He just deals heavy non-reaction damage in between pyronado hits as well.
@@kaustavkoner3274 If you're comparing both without a team or with only Bennett and for the first ten seconds, yeah. She suffers more from lower team flexibility meaning it's harder to just stack up supports for her successfully, though, and her uptime is substantially worse than Xiangling's, so once you work out their average DPS over time the comparison is unfavourable for Hu Tao even assuming a stationary non-aggressive target and the same team for both. Also as Ben brought up, one of Xiangling's advantages is the ability to continue "attacking" off-field, meaning you can use her with characters like Tartaglia, Raiden or, indeed, Hu Tao herself for even higher damage with no damage dropped from Xiangling (though of those three Hu Tao is barely even a consideration).
@@kaustavkoner3274 Hu tao VV is stronger than Raiden National, but also more difficult to play.
the "national" nickname was coined due to the team having 3 liyue characters xiangling, xingqiu, chongyun, and bennett as the 4th team member. other variants became discovered after a while, all still having xiangling + bennett as the most important members:
> national + anemo having xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, sucrose/kazuha
> international consists of xiangling, bennett, kazuha, and childe as the driver. all from different nations, hence the name of the team
> raiden national/rational having the national core xiangling, xingqiu, bennett, and raiden as the driver
@Moga I’ve noticed throughout your video that you seem to have a small misconception about energy recharge. Energy recharge increases the amount of energy that you regenerate per energy particle FOR THAT CHARACTER (E.g 200% energy recharge on xingqiu means that he gets double the energy for 1 particle). Having high energy recharge on one character doesn’t help the other characters regenerate their energy. Supports/off field damage characters just want higher ER because characters get less energy per particle when they are not on field. Hope you see this!!
Dinner + moga video = perfection
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me everyday: hmm i have food to eat.... let's watch something i didn't see yet from moga right!!
The main advantage of raiden national team is that you can run xiangling and xinqui on lower energy recharge than normal so that they can focus more on damage coz shogun refunds some energy. Like raiden national is only team (and kokomi taser i guess) were you can get away running lions roar or jade cutter on xinqui. Idk who told you to run so high er but its some common sense when you see the raiden's kit. Anyway still enough to clear abyss easily..
Xiangling is still hard to get energy even with Raiden so Xiangling should need about 190% ER in the Raiden National.
@@deibu_1361 Yeah idk why it's so hard for xiangling to regenerate energy
@@jackoplumkin6412 Use bennett e and swap back to xiangling to recharge her burst.
i've always wanted to try the national team, and i finally pulled raiden, i honestly wasn't expecting my luck to be that good
So this was perfect timing, thank you Moga!
I have the National team to and I can proudly say(besides my xiangling having garbage stats) it works surprisingly well
True , even my xiangling is trash , like 50/ 101 , but my international team still does so much damage.
because of how expensive the rational comps supports are
running them with a freeze team with ayaka or a mono geo(like you did) which dont have similar supports is usually the way
Nice video Moga!
Here's some additional info about the National Team:
The original national team started getting popular in chinese servers about a year or so ago, and consisted of chongyun, xiangling, xingqiu and bennnett. It got the name "National" because of 3/4 characters being from Liyue aka China. Since then, multiple variations of this team have gotten popular, and the one you were using is "Rational" aka Raiden National. Other popular national teams are "International" with Childe instead of Raiden and Kazuha/Sucrose to replace xingqiu because Childe does the hydro application, and a twist to the original national is replacing Chongyun with Sucrose so the entire team consists of 4 stars (xiangling bennett xingqiu sucrose). In National the main damage dealer is always Xiangling, who, because of this team existing, is one of the best DPSes in the entire game, with C6 Xiangling being better than a lot of 5 star DPSes even if said 5 star DPSes also have constellations. Since your Raiden has constellations however, she is doing most of the DMG here, but don't underestimate Xiangling! I run c0 Raiden with National and my team seems to be clearing things in the same amount of time as yours, which is crazy! I can't wait to see you try out more variations of national in the future.
(P.S. If your Xingqiu is C6 i think your ER might be a little too high on him considering Raiden recharges team bursts too! But for Xiangling getting her about 190%+ ER will be great)
Well it's not a National comp.
National - Chongyun Xiangling Xingqiu and bennett
Rational/ R-National - Raiden Xiangling Xingqiu bennett
@Amami Dreamz yeah but it's still called like that
Rational is just raiden national
@Amami DreamzNational is made from 4* it's a f2p team Rational isn't really that f2p
@Amami Dreamz it's still not a national that's only thing that I meant
Rational is so good and really fun as well, only downside to is it takes 3 of the best supports(4 if we're counting shogun) in the game, my hu tao is needing her water dude, but I guess is doesn't matter for this abyss rotation. Also Raiden hyper carry is still a good alt, from what I heard even C0 hyper carry is still good especially with kazuha who I really need.
cant play raiden national because my xingqiu is always tied to hutao lol
My xingqiu is either with hutao or ayaka too so I actually use kokomi (accidentally got her from her first run) for my Rational instead. Give her tenacity and thrilling tales, she's also gonna further buff your Raiden ^^
@@miccimichi5308 With Ayaka you'd be better off running Kokomi and using XQ with national. Kokomi applies hydro with her e fast enough to keep freeze up, has 100% uptime as long as you burst at ~10 sec to refresh it, and it pulses in an aoe instead of being single target. XQ is much better than koko for national due to how fast hydro gets used up by XL. Hu however kinda has to have XQ so in that case it's your only option.
You can try to mix and match xingqiu’s spot in Rational. The damage output will definitely be subpar but it’s pretty worth to give it a shot. Personally, I use albedo for his off-field dmg or diona for extra survivability if I’m running a hutao team on the other side.
@@googlrscholar mona is also a good with hakushin ring alt if water dude is equipped
i absolutely LOVE this team and have been using it for abyss since i got raiden months ago. im glad more people are using this team now that raiden is on her rerun! GOODLUCK EVERYONE WHO IS PULLING FOR HER
You should try raifish (bennet, kazu, raiden and fish).There are multiple enemies so national raiden should be pretty weak here since multiple enemies = 20-25k dps loss. The rot is raiden e > bennet ult > kazu e q > fish e q > raiden ult > repeat but keep in mind the next rot after the first one has fish do q and the 3rd rot should have her do e q. So make sure to use e q every other rot and in between those rot just use fish ult to Re deploy oz because raiden can charge her ult pretty fast so fish ult should be ready every rot, recommended er on fish is like 115-120
your contact is really fun i enjoy it every time u upload a vid really thanks
In this comp, you want xianling to use the catch with emblem of severed fate to quickly regen energy and do a ton of damage
Raiden shogun-the queen of meta
I hate to be "that" guy but this is the Rational Team ('R'aiden N'ational')
National team is actually the chongyun variant instead raiden
There's also a Childe variant with benny XL and sucrose it's the international team 😂
YAYYYY I LOVE YOUR SPIRAL ABYSS VIDEOS!!! LOVE YOU MOGA !
Me who just got Xingqiu a week ago: 🥳
Finally a meta comp that I have.
That's op- he literally rekt the whole tevyat with the team
Moga I always look forward to ur videos ur so entertaining to watch
I finally got my raiden, absolutely love the hypercarry raiden team still want a kazuha to boost raiden further
same except i have kazuha, this team is a lot of fun
Tfw you made the national comp when wanting to make your own unique team without realizing it. the comp is so good even newbies make it without knowing its a legit comp
National as a few variants actually, and this one is commonly called Rational (a shorter version of Raiden National). The “OG” National used to be XL, Benny, Waterboy and Chongyun, and usually people replace either Waterboy with Childe (for the international variant) or Chongyun with Sucrose, Venti, Kazuha or, in this case, Raiden.
Also a little tip which a million other comments have already given is to try to funnel particles to XL, a rotation I found on Reddit and that I commonly use with Rational goes something like this:
Raiden Skill, XQ Burst( to apply wet to the enemies), Benny Burst (to vape) to Skill( to generate particles), XL Burst right away (to catch the particles generated by Benny) to skill (you can do some autos to catch at least 1 particle from Guoba), to XQ skill (remember to catch the particles, I often don’t which means i don’t have his burst up when I need it), to Raiden burst. USUALLY, if unlike me you know how to play, this rotation should allow you to have bursts up on cooldown.
You can use PJC on xingqui with raiden on the team instead of sacrificial. But use an ER sands. Xiangling needs only 170% ER which she can get with just lvl 90 catch and 2 piece emblem and no ER sub stats. But you need to funnel particles twice with bennett.
Raiden really carried my team on abyss. Zhongli made me reach 10-3 in just 25 days playing genshin starting ar 1 and Raiden helped me clear 11-1 to 11-3 she's so awesome I love her
Yoo moga amazing videos as always
I've also used raiden nation and for the first time 36 stars. Best team ngl. Good vid btw
I tried the National team today and my damage went from 5k to 10 k
raiden national is so fun. i didnt realize how fun it could be either
life is bullying me, I lost the 50/50 on raiden banner and every single video I've watched today involves raiden
the national team can actually be played with any DPS, Bennett, Xiangling, and Xingqiu with your chosen DPS, that team is specifically the “Raiden National” team comp
that team went so crazy my youtube couldnt even handle 480p
so,,, after this video i decided to pull for raiden
ive been wanting her for a long time, but i went for kokomi the first time, back in??? september?? october???
but today is my birthday and i thought
well, maybe today is the day when i get her..?
so i texted my friend to pull for rainden on my acc (bc i left my laptop in another country, being a refugee from ua and having difficulties with luggage)
anyways my frieand agreed
and before that i said like 'wr pull till first 5*, after that we stop'
maybe luck, maybe birthday energy, but i won 50/50!! on 51st pull right after yae
moga, im very glad yiu made this video,,,, it brought much more happiness than youd expected, thank you
Funnelling bennet particles into xiangling and giving her favonious helps a lot with the rotation.
You can even give the favonius to raiden. Lol. And the catch to Xiangling because Xiangling does the most damage in this comp
@@johnmaineching9384 I'm not so sure about it.
My raiden initial burst slash does like 120,000 damage and then combos do more.
You should try a Childe driven National comp..or a Sukokomon team would be cool to see too! Sukokomon is Sucrose, Kokomi, Fischl Xiangling
7:45 love how his c6 raiden non crit is just as high as my raiden Cristina c0
For raiden national, you don’t need everyone to have insane ER stats since raiden boosts their energy generation, so for Xingqiu you can run a more damage based setup with attack goblet and/or sword. I think lion’s roar is better than sac sword in raiden national
Amazing video
@@tubisi I did
@@tubisi you don't have to watch this video to tell that it's amazing
goodluck to all raiden and kokomi wanters!!!
I was using the comp wrong all the time! I was using Water dude before Xiangling. Shees! thanks for the video! I'll correct my rotation.
that op lavawalker circlet can always be spotted in ur vids
4:15 how did your baal hit 150k non crit!?
That evil laugh to the hydro abbys mage haha
Moga please try a physical dps build for Fischl 😁
If only xingqiu doesnt use hilichurl mask, my national team would be ready
At this point, if you're an engdame player, You should probably have 300+ hilichurl mask. They are literally everywhere (I have 600+ hilichurl mask lmfao)
150% er is enough for Benny and Xiangling, I mostly run this team with Kazuha instead of Xingqiu for CC and elemental damage bonus, but for me only Xingqiu really needs 200% er at least. Bennett is fine with 136, but I run him with Amenoma, which isn't ideal for attack boost but still good for quicker er for bursts. Love it, it's my strongest team
This is the Raiden varient, you should try the og National team which replaces Raiden for Chongyun.
The team was more focused on rotation, so sacrificing energy for more DMG just means slower clearance
like some ppl mentioned its not only national team variant.
i know theres original, begin benny, xiang, xinqiu, and idk what with fourth character
theres also international (i think) that replaces xinqui with childe (its one im using)
tbh as long as you use benny - xinagling - hydro applicator it counts as one of the versions of that team
im predicting ppl will try that team with ayato as applicator too, if his skills allow it
Ayato has icd so i dont think so
@@andrewjamez9741 oh i dodnt know, yeah i really dont care for ayato to check his info
okok so national is only xiangling xingqiu and benny. xq can swapp w childe but yeah. the last slot can be many diff characters, raiden, sucrose, ganyu etc. the team is then named after the last char so this is the raiden national or the rationall team. and for seemless/smooth rotations 200 er is reccomended for everyone but shogun. she wants 200+ id go like 250 or smt wich is really easy to get. xl is also by far the main source of dmg so she really wants 4pc emblem, xl does far more than hutao in aoe dmg anf yeah shes pretty broken. it migh be diff for c3 raiden tho and btw you need to do raiden e before xl burst cause she snapshotts
I just built Raiden National. Before that, I was a Ningguang main, and she's *excels* at disciplining the Cthulhu Puppy. I should probably try this.
lmao yt algorythm is wild, this video got recommended to me literally 2 days after i pulled raiden - guess i'm off to build her, water dude and benny now lol
I'm gonna be trying this team after I finish building Xiangling and Xingqiu properly
One of the Amazing things is that you don't even have to build them properly to have decent results
I remember getting my first 36 stars with this team comp when my XL was level 60 (although she did have +20 artifacts)
@@sev559 I just gave them both semi-built artifacts and my Raiden hit 33k (literally the first time she does more than 16K) and I'm super happy. She's not fully raised either!
@@EmilyMusic2003 nice
The raiden national team is wonderful. My C0 raiden does wonderful. Sub 1 minute clears on the side i use them in. Then my second team has 4 minutes to clear the other side. Cant be bothered to go insane for 36 stars. 33 is good enough for me as a f2p
everytime moga says "unfortunately" I will drink
I've always seen national team showcases in abyss, and it didn't help me much because my 2nd team would be close to empty. So for months i just separate them and just add the same element as my main dps. Might be good to see some alternatives imo.
hmmmm….ooh! I think I can use the national team who am I missing? Oh no one! right I got raiden at 10 pity
Any tips on how to build her?
Yes
@UCQNYz_xPbPf5FbOqfpJFafQ Yes
Well raiden has only one playable build. Full emblem set, signature weapon/the catch/waverider fin (what I use). The sands should always be er, goblet can be atk if she is missing a lot (with waverider she can use electro goblet fine). Her er has to be at least 230 I think:)
Feel free to add to this comment in case I forgot domething:)
Yes R5 the catch, full emblem set. You should build her on er/atk and atk/electro dmg depending on your sub stats. CR/crit dmg hat as usual, and prioritize her burst over e and dont level her AA
@@varryi2041 thank you so much! :D
8:44 raiden had her burst just after using it lmao😭
The raiden national comp (Rational) is actually built on having the sub DPS, ie. Xiangling and Xingqiu have lower ER and more DPS output coz Raiden funnels roughly 25 energy back.
Moga cleared it fast coz he's a whale lol, but he could've cleared it faster if xingqiu was on an ATK sands with lion's roar or other DPS weapons at 170-180 ER
If i get raiden i cant even use lr bcs i lack er
Xiangling is the main dps in rational comp but i get your point
Its been 4months of me not using childe and everytime i tried to use him. He deals very low dmg and idk why. Today, i tried to use his international teamcomps or smthing that consist these 2, childe, and zhongli and holy shit. I killed cryo regisvine in 5seconds which is my new record. Even Xiangling arent proprrly built, i can take down that cryo flowey so incredibly fast. Man this teamcomps is so op.
The key of this national team was to use bennet skill into xiangling burst also bennet skill into xiangling auto attack because you need to feed her some energy particals if your er is less then 180% also in rotations you mainly want to go bennet ult into bennet skill into xiangling ult so that she will catch some particals beforehand and then xingqiu skill ult skill catch particals then shogun ult
Imagine having water dude
3:45 Benny boost?!??
i just notice he doesnt have “the catch”
you’ve heard of raiden national, now get ready for
childe international
The team I use is Raiden Shogun, Xingqiu, Kujou Sara, and Fishel and I want bennet but i cant since im a F2P and its hard for me to get freemos lol 💀
Oh, I've been using Tartaglia-Beidou-XL-Benny for a while. It's like a pseudo-national team
I know I've said this in another one of your videos, but if you kill the cryo one 1st, the electro one wont climb the wall.
But if you kill the cryo one first, he will heal
@@johnmaineching9384 in this domain, yes. But outside, it wont.
if raiden has the catch, what spear should xiangling have?? I dont know what to choose between dragon’s bane and favonious lance since those are the only ones i have
Dragon's bane claps because it boosts overload and vape damage. Make sure to have enough er tho
I use this team now and he is so cool and strong
Best F2P team for shogun
Prob the only content creater who didn't hear about this before lol
No offence love ya
My Ei has 75:160 crit ratio is it enough for big numbers
I use national team for the this abyss rotation and the past few ones, it helped me get my first 36* a few rotations ago, now I have c3 raiden so it’s even more cracked
5:47 Yal not see Raiden broke her neck? Or was she dead and came back to life...
I never knew what this team was called, but im using this team since I got raiden. Hands down One of the Best team for Abyss.
Using Raiden e before burst in creases the bursts initial damage
Could u also do the pokemon team? It contains Xiangling, Fischl, Sucrose and Kokomi
You should try a Challenge that You make teams with People's profile character showcasr
I still find it funny how the shogun can hit 100k _without_ a crit
man, this abyss in particular it was the very first i could almost got all stars, a manage to get 35 stars, unfortunately the chamber 1 floor 12 i could get only 2 stars but i'm really happy i could finally got so close to the end after playing this since 2020
Try the SuKokoMon Team Comp it consist of Sucrose (Su), KoKomi (Ko), Fischl And Xiangling ((Poke)mon)
You should try freeze team with ayaka, kazuha/venti/sucrose, water dude/ Mona and diona/shenhe
you should try national (xiangling-bennett-chongyun-xingqiu) or international (childe/xiangling/bennett/kazuha)
You should retry the Pokémon challenge as there is more heros who make little pets
Please try sukokomon