@@mohiniberi2269 There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
A true interpreator and explainer of Gurbani. May your motive of expressing true spirit of the Panth be fulfilled by His Naam. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa; Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
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There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
The Khalsa as defined by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself: *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੇ* *Khalsa is the one, who renounces calumny,* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਲੜੇ ਹੋਇ ਆਗੈ ॥ (੪੪)* *Khalsa is the one who volunteers to contend in the first rank.(44)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਪੰਚ ਕੋ ਮਾਰੈ* *Khalsa is the one who annuls the five vices.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਸਾੜੈ ॥ (੪੫)* *Khalsa is the one who burns the (effect of) the (previous) actions.(45)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਮਾਨ ਜੋ ਤਿਆਗੈ* *Khalsa is the one who relinquishes the ego.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਪਰਤ ਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗੈ ॥ (੪੬)* *Khalsa is the one who keeps away from another’s wife.(46)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਪਰਦ੍ਰ੍ਰਸਿ਼ਟਿ ਕੋ ਤਿਆਗੇ* *Khalsa is the one who does not imitate the others’ viewpoint.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਨਾਮ ਰਤ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ (੪੭)ੈ* *Khalsa is the one who is infused with the divine name.(47)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਹਿਤ ਲਾਇ* *Khalsa is the one who puts his heart into Gurbani.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਸਾਰ ਮੁੰਹਿ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ (੪੮)* *Khalsa is the one who can eat the steel.(48)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਿਰਧਨ ਕੋ ਪਾਲੈ* *Khalsa is the one who looks after the poor.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਕੋ ਗਾਲੇ ॥ (੫੦)* *Khalsa is the one who annihilates the the evil-doers.(50)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਾਮ ਜਪ ਕਰੈ* *Khalsa is the one who remembers the divine name.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਮਲੇਛ ਪਰ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ॥ (੫੧)* *Khalsa is the one who invades the barbarians.(51)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਉੁਂ ਜੋੜੇ* *Khalsa is the one who is permeated with the celestial entity.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਬੰ ਧਨ ਕੋ ਤੋੜੇ ॥ (੫੨)* *Khalsa is the one who destroys the bondage.(52)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਤੁਰੰਗ* *Khalsa is the one who rides the horse.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਕਰੇ ਨਿਤ ਜੰਗ ॥ (੫੩)* *Khalsa is the one who is ever ready for righteous war.(53)* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਸ਼ਸਤਰ ਕੋ ਧਾਰੈ* *Khalsa is the one who adorns the arms.* *ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਦੁਸੰਟ ਕੋ ਮਾਰੈ ॥ (੫੪)* *Khalsa is the one who exterminates the vicious.(54)*
Vaaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh Veeray This video was amazing!!! I learned allot from it and it also made things more clear for me. Please do more videos like this it really helps people like me that just began this journey. 🙏🏼
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
@@jattnijjerable I think the dasam Granth is corrupted but many things are originally from Guru gobind Singh ji, hope this article answers your questions dailysikhupdates.com/25-historical-evidences-dasam-granth-dasvein-patshah-ka-granth/
@@jattnijjerable Let’s not forget that our gurus had the experience to experience Waheguru, "touch" Waheguru, "feel" Waheguru and our gurus described these feelings and described Waheguru. Guru gobind Singh ji like all the gurus started by guru Nanak dev ji could feel and experience Waheguru too, so he preached to his khalsa the beauty and power of Waheguru and that’s how dasam Granth (many things in it) was made, Guru Gobind Singh ji describes Waheguru in akal ustat for example, now many things are corrupted in dasam Granth and what I think is it happened especially during the times of mahants. Dasam Granth is basically just a side note to Guru Granth Sahib ji, dasam Granth is more earthly focused (warrior lifestyle) but also describing Waheguru like Guru Granth Sahib ji.
@@justaguywithaturban6773 That does not prove its authenticity. Sikhs are clear, logical, connected to God. The principal force of khalsa is for sovereignty. Only to worship the 1and curb tyranny and oppression whilst checking hypocrisy.
Beautiful explanation of a beautiful practice, but I wonder why guru nanak Dev Ji is said to have shunned the janeu ceremony which has a very similar symbolic meaning?
Thank you Bhai Satpal Singh ji for explaining the connection between inner and outer Khalsa spirit. 🙏 I wish this kind of explanation was done at every Gurdwara, cleared many of my doubts 🙏🙏 Gur Fateh ji
Also... The term khalisah was used during the Muslim rule in India for crown-lands administered directly by the king without the mediation of jagirdars or mansabdars. This is very powerful. We belong directly to Waheguru.
I have a question. My motive is anyhow not to question the Amrit. Sorry for faults. As Amrit is a external commitment to initiate into an ideal human being, then can the other forms such as Janeu or baptism be accepted. Why did Guru Nanak ji denied Janeu? As it has something wrong, what was it? Or Was it right ceremony earlier but Hinduism/ Janeu has lost from its motive so he denied. If it was so then today even Sikhism has also lost its motto track. What is distinct in Amrit? If a non sikh follows Gurbani then according to it he is expected to follow the Guru and become Khalsa, but then why should one accept the Amrit or should he stop before the Khalsa and after acceptance of all other preachings of Gurbani. Even if he has a soft corner for Amrit but why he could not accept Janeu as a commitment ? What is the motive difference in all religious baptisms /commitments? Please answer in detail. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
if u want to be like guru sahib u have to remove the dirt and bad feelings from your heart also guru granth sahib ji helped you to how to live life like a good sikh.. waheguru ji ki fateh
Well explained veer Jii, but I see someone with ulterior motives to question your prachaar... These sort of people are literally think that creating confusion will lead us to have our faith dwindled. They don't understand that for us, it is the way of our life to read gurbani and seek the mercy of almighty to bestow us with all the virtues of a khalsa... ...they are in oblivion... .our forefathers have given their head just not to let a train passed by the station carrying hungry passengers.. We are determined to serve the humanity, fight for downtrodden and welfare and for this the influx of mind in the gurbani and meditation on the name of god is required.. The love for almighty and his creation is our priority and for the sake of that love guru has given us directions to shed negativity and embrace truth, honesty, compassion, mercy... We are to keep ourselves focused and seek the blessings of almighty to go and fight against five mightier Evil sins.. Further the life we get is a bliss and we need not to wait for death to feel it but being alive we can experience that bliss
Explain this found on a mullah website SEMEN SPILLS Chaubis Avtar - Description of Man-lion incarnation beginsJodh SinghSurinder Singh KohliThe kingdom of Indra was usurped and all around this was promulgated with the drum beats that on waters and earth everywhere Hiranyakshipu is the emperor II 2 II Once, fully embellished this mighty one went to his wife and got so much absorbed in coition that his semen fell out II 3 II From it, devotee Prahalad took birth to liberate the saints and to do their work. [28]Charitar 98 - Tale of Heer RanjhaBindraSidhusThus far we have talked about Ranjha, now we consider Heer. I will narrate you their story to delight your mind. (10) In the city of Inder Rai, a damsel lived, whose fame was spread all over the world. Any Raja who saw her would get pierced with the Cupid’s arrows and would fell [sic] flat on ground. (11) At that place, once the ascetic Kapil Munni had come and seen (the damsel) Maneka. On her sight, his semen dripped down and he pronounced a curse, (12) ‘You go to the domain of humanity and take birth into the family of Sial Jat.’ ‘You assume the name of Heer and devour the food at the household of Turks (Muslims).’ (13) Then the damsel, shaking, fell upon the feet of Munni and requested, ‘Tell me some resolve so that I can escape this agony.’ (14) (Reply) ‘When god Indra will go to the mundane world, he will call himself Ranjha. ‘He will intensively fall in love with you and will bring you back to Amrawati (domain of emancipation). (15) She took birth in the household of a Jat. She appeared in the house of Choochak and called herself as Heer. (16) [29]Once, fully embellished this mighty one went to his wife and got so much absorbed in coition that his semen fell out!COMMENTARY: Wouldn’t it be odd if conception occurred without the release of semen? As rhetorical as that sounds, it nevertheless begs the question of why Gobind found it necessary to state the obvious, i.e. a man became so “absorbed in coition that his semen fell out”, and which subsequently led to the birth of a child? The detail appears superfluous adding next to nothing to the overall context.We then have another example of semen spillage connected to the famous subcontinent love story of Heer Ranjha. In this instance, however, the context is as bizarre as it gets since it involves a so-called ascetic who places a curse upon a woman (who will reincarnate as Heer in the next life), he just so happens to see, for causing him to ejaculate!Again the question of why Guru Gobind could not have been more connotative requires answering. There simply does not seem to be anything criticalvis-à-vis the overall context of the two tales that requires being so obvious.
@@jattnijjerable , I don't know who are you and what are you trying to explain??..... I haven't read dasam grant yet, if there are narration of such kind then why are you so concerned?? Leave that stuff and concentrate on improving your innerself.... Or either you are not a Sikh Calling yourself whatever jatt , it is.... ...jumping around and pretending to be an expert at something is not going to solve your purpose mister, if there is ulterior motives at the back of your base....
@@quitaddiction4589 I have it's a fake There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Unless of course you can provide A a coherent argument B reliable evidence
@@quitaddiction4589 So you have no answer, no education just fairytale bs, yo mommas is a sullie and your dad a chura F off you hindu mullah or give an answer you biatch
Satpal singh, where the Guru says, "..with the fear of god as the bellows", could this also mean ones fear of things in life that are scary, like anxiety, (because god is everything) and so when one has fear that is fear of god(nature), thats how i can understand the fear of god because the Guru deosnt explain scary attributes of Akal Purakh, so maybe we're meant to use our fear in life (which is a fear of god) as the bellows?? I dont know.
The guru does explain scary attributes of Akal purkh. The guru tells us about how Akal Purkh is severe in punishment in his court and how sinners get crushed and squeezed like oil seeds in the press in God's court. The guru explains how sinners are sent to hell with their faces looking terrible and black for their sins. This is all Akal Purkh's scary attributes (when he is dealing with sinners).
@@jojames6621 Thanks for the reply. i've always seen these statements as the sinner in hell on earth because the Guru does explain that one will suffer terribly on earth and be in hell on different ocassions. Because we have our faces when in human form, it may mean we live our current lives with our faces blackened and face torment. Because i see it as we are responsible for our results due to our delusions, we do it to ourselves. Maybe im odd but i dont see the one as scary bcoz its good if i do get punished, as its the will (without sounding sadistic). Thanks for the comment again Jo, i will keep vigilant during my sehaj path.
@@sukd2669 a lot of sikhs say it is symbolic and not literal. And that hell is on earth. However when examining Gurbani you can see that can not possibly be true. The reason is because the same bani which says sinners are sent to hell with their faces blackened (asa di vaar) is the same bani which says that a thief who steals stuff and gives the stolen goods to his people, in God's court this is recognized and the thief and his people (who got the stolen goods) are considered thieves and they have their hands cut off. Therefore, this can not possibly be symbolic of hell being on earth. The guru clearly states that thiefs have their hands cut off which is of course speaking of physical punishment.
@@jojames6621 FYI i found a line that suggests hell could be on earth. It can be taken in any way, but there is a stronger suggestion here. Narak Rog Nehee Hovath Jan Sang Naanak Jis Larr Laavai ||2||14|| Hell and disease do not afflict one who joins the Company of the Lord's humble servants, O Nanak; the Lord attaches him to the hem of His robe. ||2||14||
I think there is a slight mis translation, I don't think Guru Gobind Singh is saying I contemplate on Nanak, I believe he is saying that Nanak contemplated on Sri Bhaugati ji, the divine manifestation of wahguru within the sword
I'm so lost sad and confused. I was brought to the Guru 10 years ago through Kundalini Yoga and Yogi Bhajan. I fell so deeply in love with Sikhism, Guru Nanak and his ten embodiments and my living shabad guru, the Srir Guru Granth Sahaib. I dedicated my life to this path for many years only to find out that Sikhs reject the teachings of Yogi Bhajan, The Siri Guru Granth contradicts many of his teachings, and the whole foundation of 3ho and Sikh Dharma stands on a story of Baba Siri Chand passing on the throne of Raj Yoga to Guru Ram Das, even though SGGS tells us first Nanak shown like the light of a full moon, passed it on to Angad, who passed it on to Amardas, who passed it on to Guru Ram Das. Why did Guru let me be deceived by this charlatan? I prayed to god for the truth and Yogi Bhajan is who showed up.... Further more, when I recite bani's such as Jaap sahib that repeatedly stresses that God has no cast, no lineage, no dress code, how can I make sense of being a sikh, initiating into Khalsa, and putting on a dress code? I believe that is Guru Nanak was alive to day he would say, there is not hindu, there is no muslim, THERE IS NO SIKH! I am so lonely.... what has happened to me.... I was hoping to take Amrit tomorrow and this is no longer happening. So sad.....
Evol Neo Hey, cheer up, my friend! Your guru is within you. You are an honest and earnest seeker of truth. Of course the world is full of trickery, but if you practice integrity the infinite, divine truth is in you!
Dear Evol , could not stop myself from commenting on your post . there is a distinction in DHARMA and religion of sikh . SGGS stresses that being kind is a precursor for a person to be Dharmi / "religious' , it also comes along with contentment . DHAUL DHARAM DAYA KA POOT , SANTOKH THAP RAKHYA JIN SOOT . Religion of sikh gives a person discipline , a reminder to live life as per divine message of Guru Nanak Dev JI . ALL gurus who followed were having same illumination/ jyot / as Nanak , so they are called mohalla ( body or shareer ) 2nd and so forth .. but all call themselves as 2nd Nanak , 3rd Nanak ... as a reminder about same jyot/ energy / light ... Creation of Khalsa to me manifests a promise / reminder that Guru's message need to be lived everyday ... so much that it becomes a habit an thus 5 kakaars are reminders . GUR FATEH
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
@@jattnijjerable I am having a very difficult time understanding what a real Sikh is my dear brother. Even your presence adds to the confusion. As I study in efforts to understand I continually find division within the history of Sikhi and it's current state. Clearly there is a large group of people who think Guru Gobind Singh Ji held the Amrit Ceremony on Visakhi 1699 and under comand a Akal Purkh finished the manifestation of Khalsa on earth. (I was more or less taught this version of Sikhi) This group tends to be highly devoted to the 10th guru and further emphasis the greatness of Siri Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth in company to SGGS. Then there is another group, that you seem to belong to, that intelligently point out a lack of evidence about both Amrit Ceremony and addition granths, the posiblity of forgery and false Authors. This Group is devoted to the Living Guru, Siri Guru Granth Sahib and out right rejects Dasam and Sarbloh for their contradictions such as Devi worship and acknowledgment of Hindu pantheon. The group I was involved with puts a huge emphasis on Guru RamDas and relates to him as a personified Astral entity that that is interacting in your life, performs miracles, provides finacial prosperity, and spritual healing if tuned into his golden chain of kundalini yogis and use a secret mantras and postures.- again something flat out rejected by Sikhi. It seems that a huge effort has been made to confuse the Sikh people particularly via British colonial rule and further distorted by the partition of India and the many sub-groups within Sikh culture. I just want to know the truth. I appreciate everyone's kindness and it's nice to know I'm not the only one battling with these questions. Thank you all.
Your belief understanding then knowledge of the true sikh Khalsa is 100% wrong. But you preach here without answering any comments writ. Reply & then I will backup my comment.
YOUR DASAM GRANTH WASNT AROUND BEFORE 1699 SO HOW DID GURU GOBIND SINGH QUOTE IT? HOW DUD PEOPLE FIGHT BEFORE YIOUR DASAM GRANTH, WITH THE GURUS BEFORE GURU GOBIND SINGH????
@@-mx9mi There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
A costume and name change don't make a genuine warrior philosopher Let's take a closer look at vasakhi a gathering was organised by the guru out of the existing warrior philosophers ie jatt and others non jatt warrior philosophers A challenge was thrown out Who - 'out of you gathered here are willing to give your head for the cause and for vahe guru' 'Who has the faith beyond the studued philosophy in vahe guru to give their head' Who is brave enough ? Many were called few answered Out of those few - 5 men - some of whom were not from the traditional warrior philosopher background answered But they proved their worth they were brave enough to be considered khalsa warrior philosophers They answered and stood up and walked towards a perceived imminent threat and probably fatal danger The powerful guru stood with an unsheathed sword This test of their spirit was the only way to confirm authenticity The next time raising the risk as the guru stood with a dripping sword And so they were transformed In form and character With 5 ks and warrior philosopher character ethic to be practiced They were signed up for life to risk their life and practice the warrior philosopher ethic Thus was the authentication ceremony and high standard set which confirmed their elite status To be absolutely crystal clear Anyone who hits this very high standard is equal to each other They are all elite But you have to hit this very high standard ....... by the taking the test Compare that to today's fakers Would they, do they fight against tyranny and oppression ? Would they give their heads ? At the contemporary initiation are they tested on their faith Bravery Character (warrior philosopher) And tested and Initiated and practicing the warrior philosopher ethic ? Now people cheapen the ideal by pretending they are khalsa with a costume and name change Form without substance and deceive for money or try to use it to improve their caste image .......... beware fakers I doubt these credit hoes or fake image wannabes have the ability to practice the warrior philosopher ethic Yet they cry out to be recognised as genuine and equal Do not be fooled Man is known by his actions Warrior philosophers are known by their practice By analogy Do not compare uneducated couch potatoes to navy seal phd educated peoples with dutiful characters Because they add dr to their name and Wear combat fatigues Equality, openness, no caste what do these mean in sikhi People conflate their own views and have politics agendas to blatantly lie ....... There is no mandate to mix races or not to use surnames or be identity - less But you are a complete idiot if you treat people like shit or as angels without knowing them Man is judged based on his actions Don't prejudice bad qualities on people or good qualities on people But now to mention it who were these poor people from Tamil, orissa, Maharashtra or Gujarat? How did they travel unfettered to anandpur unchecked by mughals? Not many could have come and i bet DNA will prove this, it's probably an apocryphal story to get them to convert and become mentored and coached by Punjabi lions
Shame on you, you are saying guru ji was lying. Elements like you in panth create fights, so that we can't unite as khalsa panth, policy indian government follows divide and rule.
You, and the world, know the answer, why is the guru granth sahib sovereign and authenticated? It has a copy dictated by guru gobind Singh and scibed by brai mani singh- the entire GURU GRANTH SAHIB was memorized and passes on from guru to guru with naming and numbering reference systems so it can't be forged Compare that to the other things that emerged after GURU GOBIND SINGH died Compare it to the geeta or Koran written and changed over time and by authors unknown !
If you don't have power to unite the panth, then don't divide it, research if you are curious, Harimandir Sahib, Amritsar Sahib, in upper sanctum Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji hand written by Guru Arjan Dev Ji is present there.
@@janpreetsingh5594 I will soon return and carve out from UP to Sindh to Iraq to the Caucasus and central Asia I'm not dividing I'm uniting I see no evidence to believe made up fairy stories about dasam granth or sarbloh Why don't you educate yourself and St and up to falsehood !!!
@@-mx9mi There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs This is not disputed Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ? That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires - A granth called dasam granth? Or is it bachitar Natak Or samundar sagar Contradictions galore That's why your line of argument is problematic Ie giving rise to more problems Hmm tell me sherlock Was it a- written by guru gobind singh before he died B- Compiled by bhai mani singh C- written by senapat D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river E- all the above And was it called A- Bachitar Natak B - samundar sagar C- dasam granth D- dasne patasah de granth E- all the above Hey watson Is there any A- corroborating verified primary evidence B- any verified primary evidence C- any primary evidence D- any non contradicting secondary evidence E- non if the above Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ??? There is no evidence ! A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs Or leave us to conclude you are a faker ! It was completed by guru gobind singh Lost is a river Complied by Bhai Mani Singh Compiled on request of mata sahib Was this called bachitar Natak Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship Who has authenticated it? Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ...... The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. .... There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources This is not a question about bhai mani singh Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something Your fairh and reference point are these people not The guru Bhai mani singh, or Mata sahib Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB Use argument lines quotes Thanks
Satpal Singh, we are blessed to have someone like you explaining these things in a way western born/raised Sikh’s can understand 🙏
Very true you are saying every thing is very true Sach da geyan gurmat anusaar . Thankyou very much. Waheguruji
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There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
@@jattnijjerable meditate on the lord esp amrit hours and keep doing it and you will recieve all the answers and more
I love guru nanak panth 🙏
I am ready to become a Khalsa! 🙏🙌
Very Peaceful Khalsa’s Meaning 🙏🏻🙏🏻🌷🌷❤️❤️
ਵਾਹਿੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ 🙏🏼⚡
A true interpreator and explainer of Gurbani. May your motive of expressing true spirit of the Panth be fulfilled by His Naam.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa;
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh. Another excellent discourse from veer ji. happy baisaki to all in advance
shankar prasad happy Vaisaikhi
Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
@@jattnijjerable What are you rambling on about? I'm confused 😂
@@navboi12
I believe the Dasam granth is unauthenticated and people like this video maker promote it
@@jattnijjerable some say it is authentic and others say it is not authentic. Its hard to say.
SSA Satpal Singh Ji Khalsa! Your contribution to humanity can’t be described merely in words 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻. Lot of thanks!!
Deep gratitude for your care and concern for those who listen, and your love and devotion to the teachings that they are heard and learned deeply so they can transform us to be Divine warriors. This was just what I needed to hear and listen to this early morning. By grace I have found you. Thank you so very much for the gift of your service that you share.
WAHEGURU!!! Thank You Bhai Sahib, your discourses have come at a time in my life when I needed them the most.
Thank You. May Waheguru Bless you ALWAYS !!!
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
I like how you quoted the dasam granth as well. Its just as important as nanaks bani
Great Teachings on Khalsa ji Sikhi is all about Learning.
Excellent review of KHALSA in SIKHI. Thank you! You are doing a job.
The Khalsa as defined by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself:
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੇ*
*Khalsa is the one, who renounces calumny,*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਲੜੇ ਹੋਇ ਆਗੈ ॥ (੪੪)*
*Khalsa is the one who volunteers to contend in the first rank.(44)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਪੰਚ ਕੋ ਮਾਰੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who annuls the five vices.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਸਾੜੈ ॥ (੪੫)*
*Khalsa is the one who burns the (effect of) the (previous) actions.(45)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਮਾਨ ਜੋ ਤਿਆਗੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who relinquishes the ego.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਪਰਤ ਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗੈ ॥ (੪੬)*
*Khalsa is the one who keeps away from another’s wife.(46)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਪਰਦ੍ਰ੍ਰਸਿ਼ਟਿ ਕੋ ਤਿਆਗੇ*
*Khalsa is the one who does not imitate the others’ viewpoint.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਨਾਮ ਰਤ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ (੪੭)ੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who is infused with the divine name.(47)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਹਿਤ ਲਾਇ*
*Khalsa is the one who puts his heart into Gurbani.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋ ਇ ਸਾਰ ਮੁੰਹਿ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ (੪੮)*
*Khalsa is the one who can eat the steel.(48)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਿਰਧਨ ਕੋ ਪਾਲੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who looks after the poor.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਕੋ ਗਾਲੇ ॥ (੫੦)*
*Khalsa is the one who annihilates the the evil-doers.(50)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਾਮ ਜਪ ਕਰੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who remembers the divine name.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਮਲੇਛ ਪਰ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ॥ (੫੧)*
*Khalsa is the one who invades the barbarians.(51)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਉੁਂ ਜੋੜੇ*
*Khalsa is the one who is permeated with the celestial entity.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਬੰ ਧਨ ਕੋ ਤੋੜੇ ॥ (੫੨)*
*Khalsa is the one who destroys the bondage.(52)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਤੁਰੰਗ*
*Khalsa is the one who rides the horse.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਜੋ ਕਰੇ ਨਿਤ ਜੰਗ ॥ (੫੩)*
*Khalsa is the one who is ever ready for righteous war.(53)*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਸ਼ਸਤਰ ਕੋ ਧਾਰੈ*
*Khalsa is the one who adorns the arms.*
*ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਇ ਦੁਸੰਟ ਕੋ ਮਾਰੈ ॥ (੫੪)*
*Khalsa is the one who exterminates the vicious.(54)*
Source??
@@jattnijjerable Bhai Nand Lal - Tankahnama
@@TheTurbanatore
Do you have a reference to a book or website?
How confident are you it's an accurate record?
@@jattnijjerable it's available on numerous websites such as Sikhi to the Max and Search Gurbani.
It's also recorded in our history.
@@TheTurbanatore
Has any serious academic research (critical evaluation) been conducted?
satnam waheguru . u are doing a great service for the humanity , thankyou soo much for educating peoples. Happy vaisakhi to all.
Vaaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh Veeray
This video was amazing!!! I learned allot from it and it also made things more clear for me. Please do more videos like this it really helps people like me that just began this journey. 🙏🏼
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
You are such a good explainer... ..
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
Sir! Indeed you are a blessing to the community.
A beautiful introduction for Sant Saniks👌
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
waheguru g ka khalsa waheguru g ki fathe
SSA Satpal Singh Ji Khalsa!! May Guru’s blessing be bestowed upon you always!
This is tooooo good and Divine.... I ve no words to describe....Veerji god bless you..
Waheguru Mehar Kare 🙏🙏🙏
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
@@jattnijjerable
I think the dasam Granth is corrupted but many things are originally from Guru gobind Singh ji, hope this article
answers your questions
dailysikhupdates.com/25-historical-evidences-dasam-granth-dasvein-patshah-ka-granth/
@@justaguywithaturban6773
Even if some things were proved to be guru gobind sunghs they weren't included by him
@@jattnijjerable
Let’s not forget that our gurus had the experience to experience Waheguru, "touch" Waheguru, "feel" Waheguru and our gurus described these feelings and described Waheguru. Guru gobind Singh ji like all the gurus started by guru Nanak dev ji could feel and experience Waheguru too, so he preached to his khalsa the beauty and power of Waheguru and that’s how dasam Granth (many things in it) was made, Guru Gobind Singh ji describes Waheguru in akal ustat for example, now many things are corrupted in dasam Granth and what I think is it happened especially during the times of mahants. Dasam Granth is basically just a side note to Guru Granth Sahib ji, dasam Granth is more earthly focused (warrior lifestyle) but also describing Waheguru like Guru Granth Sahib ji.
@@justaguywithaturban6773
That does not prove its authenticity.
Sikhs are clear, logical, connected to God.
The principal force of khalsa is for sovereignty. Only to worship the 1and curb tyranny and oppression whilst checking hypocrisy.
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki Fateh
☬ Waheguru Ji ☬
Waheguru 🙏🙏
Beautiful explanation of a beautiful practice, but I wonder why guru nanak Dev Ji is said to have shunned the janeu ceremony which has a very similar symbolic meaning?
Thank you Bhai Satpal Singh ji for explaining the connection between inner and outer Khalsa spirit. 🙏 I wish this kind of explanation was done at every Gurdwara, cleared many of my doubts 🙏🙏 Gur Fateh ji
Also... The term khalisah was used during the Muslim rule in India for crown-lands administered directly by the king without the mediation of jagirdars or mansabdars.
This is very powerful. We belong directly to Waheguru.
Nice effforts
Thanks 🙏
❤waheguru
nice
💙
I have a question.
My motive is anyhow not to question the Amrit. Sorry for faults.
As Amrit is a external commitment to initiate into an ideal human being, then can the other forms such as Janeu or baptism be accepted.
Why did Guru Nanak ji denied Janeu?
As it has something wrong, what was it?
Or
Was it right ceremony earlier but Hinduism/ Janeu has lost from its motive so he denied. If it was so then today even Sikhism has also lost its motto track.
What is distinct in Amrit? If a non sikh follows Gurbani then according to it he is expected to follow the Guru and become Khalsa, but then why should one accept the Amrit or should he stop before the Khalsa and after acceptance of all other preachings of Gurbani. Even if he has a soft corner for Amrit but why he could not accept Janeu as a commitment ?
What is the motive difference in all religious baptisms /commitments?
Please answer in detail.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
if u want to be like guru sahib u have to remove the dirt and bad feelings from your heart also guru granth sahib ji helped you to how to live life like a good sikh.. waheguru ji ki fateh
@@jattnijjerable Did you just copy and paste all that bullshit? My god, dude you are a next level pathetic.
We have win the Guru challenged
If everything is within us..... then please tell how to find it??
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Well explained veer Jii, but I see someone with ulterior motives to question your prachaar... These sort of people are literally think that creating confusion will lead us to have our faith dwindled.
They don't understand that for us, it is the way of our life to read gurbani and seek the mercy of almighty to bestow us with all the virtues of a khalsa... ...they are in oblivion...
.our forefathers have given their head just not to let a train passed by the station carrying hungry passengers..
We are determined to serve the humanity, fight for downtrodden and welfare and for this the influx of mind in the gurbani and meditation on the name of god is required.. The love for almighty and his creation is our priority and for the sake of that love guru has given us directions to shed negativity and embrace truth, honesty, compassion, mercy... We are to keep ourselves focused and seek the blessings of almighty to go and fight against five mightier Evil sins.. Further the life we get is a bliss and we need not to wait for death to feel it but being alive we can experience that bliss
Explain this found on a mullah website
SEMEN SPILLS
Chaubis Avtar - Description of Man-lion incarnation beginsJodh SinghSurinder Singh KohliThe kingdom of Indra was usurped and all around this was promulgated with the drum beats that on waters and earth everywhere Hiranyakshipu is the emperor II 2 II Once, fully embellished this mighty one went to his wife and got so much absorbed in coition that his semen fell out II 3 II From it, devotee Prahalad took birth to liberate the saints and to do their work. [28]Charitar 98 - Tale of Heer RanjhaBindraSidhusThus far we have talked about Ranjha, now we consider Heer. I will narrate you their story to delight your mind. (10) In the city of Inder Rai, a damsel lived, whose fame was spread all over the world. Any Raja who saw her would get pierced with the Cupid’s arrows and would fell [sic] flat on ground. (11) At that place, once the ascetic Kapil Munni had come and seen (the damsel) Maneka. On her sight, his semen dripped down and he pronounced a curse, (12) ‘You go to the domain of humanity and take birth into the family of Sial Jat.’ ‘You assume the name of Heer and devour the food at the household of Turks (Muslims).’ (13) Then the damsel, shaking, fell upon the feet of Munni and requested, ‘Tell me some resolve so that I can escape this agony.’ (14) (Reply) ‘When god Indra will go to the mundane world, he will call himself Ranjha. ‘He will intensively fall in love with you and will bring you back to Amrawati (domain of emancipation). (15) She took birth in the household of a Jat. She appeared in the house of Choochak and called herself as Heer. (16) [29]Once, fully embellished this mighty one went to his wife and got so much absorbed in coition that his semen fell out!COMMENTARY: Wouldn’t it be odd if conception occurred without the release of semen? As rhetorical as that sounds, it nevertheless begs the question of why Gobind found it necessary to state the obvious, i.e. a man became so “absorbed in coition that his semen fell out”, and which subsequently led to the birth of a child? The detail appears superfluous adding next to nothing to the overall context.We then have another example of semen spillage connected to the famous subcontinent love story of Heer Ranjha. In this instance, however, the context is as bizarre as it gets since it involves a so-called ascetic who places a curse upon a woman (who will reincarnate as Heer in the next life), he just so happens to see, for causing him to ejaculate!Again the question of why Guru Gobind could not have been more connotative requires answering. There simply does not seem to be anything criticalvis-à-vis the overall context of the two tales that requires being so obvious.
@@jattnijjerable , I don't know who are you and what are you trying to explain??..... I haven't read dasam grant yet, if there are narration of such kind then why are you so concerned?? Leave that stuff and concentrate on improving your innerself.... Or either you are not a Sikh Calling yourself whatever jatt , it is.... ...jumping around and pretending to be an expert at something is not going to solve your purpose mister, if there is ulterior motives at the back of your base....
@@HarpreetSingh-lj1rx
Are you sikh or sanatan himdutva?
@@jattnijjerable , I am a Sikh and son of Guru Gobind singh Jii ,
@@HarpreetSingh-lj1rx
So why do you believe in the fake dasam granth?
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHERE YOUR SARBLOH GRANTH IS FROM, PLEASE ?!!!!
do the research yourself
@@quitaddiction4589
I have it's a fake
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Unless of course you can provide
A a coherent argument
B reliable evidence
@@jattnijjerable why are you a Mohamudian pretending to belong to another religion are the fake hope theone lord forgives you
@@quitaddiction4589
So you have no answer, no education just fairytale bs, yo mommas is a sullie and your dad a chura
F off you hindu mullah or give an answer you biatch
Satpal singh, where the Guru says, "..with the fear of god as the bellows", could this also mean ones fear of things in life that are scary, like anxiety, (because god is everything) and so when one has fear that is fear of god(nature), thats how i can understand the fear of god because the Guru deosnt explain scary attributes of Akal Purakh, so maybe we're meant to use our fear in life (which is a fear of god) as the bellows?? I dont know.
The guru does explain scary attributes of Akal purkh. The guru tells us about how Akal Purkh is severe in punishment in his court and how sinners get crushed and squeezed like oil seeds in the press in God's court. The guru explains how sinners are sent to hell with their faces looking terrible and black for their sins. This is all Akal Purkh's scary attributes (when he is dealing with sinners).
@@jojames6621 Thanks for the reply. i've always seen these statements as the sinner in hell on earth because the Guru does explain that one will suffer terribly on earth and be in hell on different ocassions. Because we have our faces when in human form, it may mean we live our current lives with our faces blackened and face torment.
Because i see it as we are responsible for our results due to our delusions, we do it to ourselves.
Maybe im odd but i dont see the one as scary bcoz its good if i do get punished, as its the will (without sounding sadistic). Thanks for the comment again Jo, i will keep vigilant during my sehaj path.
@@sukd2669 a lot of sikhs say it is symbolic and not literal. And that hell is on earth. However when examining Gurbani you can see that can not possibly be true. The reason is because the same bani which says sinners are sent to hell with their faces blackened (asa di vaar) is the same bani which says that a thief who steals stuff and gives the stolen goods to his people, in God's court this is recognized and the thief and his people (who got the stolen goods) are considered thieves and they have their hands cut off.
Therefore, this can not possibly be symbolic of hell being on earth. The guru clearly states that thiefs have their hands cut off which is of course speaking of physical punishment.
@@jojames6621 yes, i get it. sorry for my intrigue, im trying to put the puzzle together. Many thanks.
@@jojames6621 FYI i found a line that suggests hell could be on earth. It can be taken in any way, but there is a stronger suggestion here.
Narak Rog Nehee Hovath Jan Sang Naanak Jis Larr Laavai ||2||14||
Hell and disease do not afflict one who joins the Company of the Lord's humble servants, O Nanak; the Lord attaches him to the hem of His robe. ||2||14||
I think there is a slight mis translation, I don't think Guru Gobind Singh is saying I contemplate on Nanak, I believe he is saying that Nanak contemplated on Sri Bhaugati ji, the divine manifestation of wahguru within the sword
I'm so lost sad and confused. I was brought to the Guru 10 years ago through Kundalini Yoga and Yogi Bhajan. I fell so deeply in love with Sikhism, Guru Nanak and his ten embodiments and my living shabad guru, the Srir Guru Granth Sahaib. I dedicated my life to this path for many years only to find out that Sikhs reject the teachings of Yogi Bhajan, The Siri Guru Granth contradicts many of his teachings, and the whole foundation of 3ho and Sikh Dharma stands on a story of Baba Siri Chand passing on the throne of Raj Yoga to Guru Ram Das, even though SGGS tells us first Nanak shown like the light of a full moon, passed it on to Angad, who passed it on to Amardas, who passed it on to Guru Ram Das.
Why did Guru let me be deceived by this charlatan? I prayed to god for the truth and Yogi Bhajan is who showed up....
Further more, when I recite bani's such as Jaap sahib that repeatedly stresses that God has no cast, no lineage, no dress code, how can I make sense of being a sikh, initiating into Khalsa, and putting on a dress code? I believe that is Guru Nanak was alive to day he would say, there is not hindu, there is no muslim, THERE IS NO SIKH!
I am so lonely.... what has happened to me.... I was hoping to take Amrit tomorrow and this is no longer happening. So sad.....
Evol Neo Hey, cheer up, my friend! Your guru is within you. You are an honest and earnest seeker of truth. Of course the world is full of trickery, but if you practice integrity the infinite, divine truth is in you!
Dear Evol , could not stop myself from commenting on your post . there is a distinction in DHARMA and religion of sikh . SGGS stresses that being kind is a precursor for a person to be Dharmi / "religious' , it also comes along with contentment . DHAUL DHARAM DAYA KA POOT , SANTOKH THAP RAKHYA JIN SOOT . Religion of sikh gives a person discipline , a reminder to live life as per divine message of Guru Nanak Dev JI . ALL gurus who followed were having same illumination/ jyot / as Nanak , so they are called mohalla ( body or shareer ) 2nd and so forth .. but all call themselves as 2nd Nanak , 3rd Nanak ... as a reminder about same jyot/ energy / light ... Creation of Khalsa to me manifests a promise / reminder that Guru's message need to be lived everyday ... so much that it becomes a habit an thus 5 kakaars are reminders . GUR FATEH
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
Don't you know real Sikhs or have access to books on real sikhi????
@@jattnijjerable I am having a very difficult time understanding what a real Sikh is my dear brother. Even your presence adds to the confusion.
As I study in efforts to understand I continually find division within the history of Sikhi and it's current state. Clearly there is a large group of people who think Guru Gobind Singh Ji held the Amrit Ceremony on Visakhi 1699 and under comand a Akal Purkh finished the manifestation of Khalsa on earth. (I was more or less taught this version of Sikhi) This group tends to be highly devoted to the 10th guru and further emphasis the greatness of Siri Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth in company to SGGS.
Then there is another group, that you seem to belong to, that intelligently point out a lack of evidence about both Amrit Ceremony and addition granths, the posiblity of forgery and false Authors. This Group is devoted to the Living Guru, Siri Guru Granth Sahib and out right rejects Dasam and Sarbloh for their contradictions such as Devi worship and acknowledgment of Hindu pantheon.
The group I was involved with puts a huge emphasis on Guru RamDas and relates to him as a personified Astral entity that that is interacting in your life, performs miracles, provides finacial prosperity, and spritual healing if tuned into his golden chain of kundalini yogis and use a secret mantras and postures.- again something flat out rejected by Sikhi.
It seems that a huge effort has been made to confuse the Sikh people particularly via British colonial rule and further distorted by the partition of India and the many sub-groups within Sikh culture.
I just want to know the truth.
I appreciate everyone's kindness and it's nice to know I'm not the only one battling with these questions. Thank you all.
Wouldn’t khanda be the gyan and Kharag? A double edged khanda
NANAK NAAM PLEASE ANSWER THE WORLD IF YOU ARE A SIKH
Nanak naam charhdi klaa tere bhane sarbat da bhlaa
@@mohiniberi2269
The question is why he quotes a book unauthenticated now called dasam granth
Your belief understanding then knowledge of the true sikh Khalsa is 100% wrong. But you preach here without answering any comments writ.
Reply & then I will backup my comment.
YOUR DASAM GRANTH WASNT AROUND BEFORE 1699 SO HOW DID GURU GOBIND SINGH QUOTE IT?
HOW DUD PEOPLE FIGHT BEFORE YIOUR DASAM GRANTH, WITH THE GURUS BEFORE GURU GOBIND SINGH????
th-cam.com/video/nc4QW8kbz_Y/w-d-xo.html. I
hope this will help.
Your narrative completely misses who the people were, where were they from......
Something is seriously wrong with you...
@@cesiumion
Why?
Pray tell
@@jattnijjerable watch this
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@@-mx9mi
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
Do not reference a text that isn't authenticated- YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN THE GURUS MOUTH
so much anger, didnt your parents teach you how to speak.
@@sukd2669
Please answer the question son
What text you're referring to?
@@cesiumion
The unauthenticated falsely called dasam granth and sarbloh granth
@@jattnijjerable. th-cam.com/video/nc4QW8kbz_Y/w-d-xo.html
A costume and name change don't make a genuine warrior philosopher
Let's take a closer look at vasakhi
a gathering was organised by the guru out of the existing warrior philosophers ie jatt and others non jatt warrior philosophers
A challenge was thrown out
Who - 'out of you gathered here are willing to give your head for the cause and for vahe guru'
'Who has the faith beyond the studued philosophy in vahe guru to give their head'
Who is brave enough ?
Many were called few answered
Out of those few - 5 men - some of whom were not from the traditional warrior philosopher background answered
But they proved their worth they were brave enough to be considered khalsa warrior philosophers
They answered and stood up and walked towards a perceived imminent threat and probably fatal danger
The powerful guru stood with an unsheathed sword
This test of their spirit was the only way to confirm authenticity
The next time raising the risk as the guru stood with a dripping sword
And so they were transformed
In form and character
With 5 ks and warrior philosopher character ethic to be practiced
They were signed up for life to risk their life and practice the warrior philosopher ethic
Thus was the authentication ceremony and high standard set which confirmed their elite status
To be absolutely crystal clear
Anyone who hits this very high standard is equal to each other
They are all elite
But you have to hit this very high standard ....... by the taking the test
Compare that to today's fakers
Would they, do they fight against tyranny and oppression ?
Would they give their heads ?
At the contemporary initiation are they tested on their
faith
Bravery
Character (warrior philosopher)
And tested and Initiated and practicing the warrior philosopher ethic ?
Now people cheapen the ideal by pretending they are khalsa with a costume and name change
Form without substance
and deceive for money or try to use it to improve their caste image .......... beware fakers
I doubt these credit hoes or fake image wannabes have the ability to practice the warrior philosopher ethic
Yet they cry out to be recognised as genuine and equal
Do not be fooled
Man is known by his actions
Warrior philosophers are known by their practice
By analogy
Do not compare uneducated couch potatoes to navy seal phd educated peoples with dutiful characters
Because they add dr to their name and Wear combat fatigues
Equality, openness, no caste what do these mean in sikhi
People conflate their own views and have politics agendas to blatantly lie .......
There is no mandate to mix races or not to use surnames or be identity - less
But you are a complete idiot if you treat people like shit or as angels without knowing them
Man is judged based on his actions
Don't prejudice bad qualities on people or good qualities on people
But now to mention it who were these poor people from Tamil, orissa, Maharashtra or Gujarat?
How did they travel unfettered to anandpur unchecked by mughals?
Not many could have come and i bet DNA will prove this, it's probably an apocryphal story to get them to convert and become mentored and coached by Punjabi lions
Shame on you, you are saying guru ji was lying. Elements like you in panth create fights, so that we can't unite as khalsa panth, policy indian government follows divide and rule.
@@janpreetsingh5594
What are you twittering on about??
Who said lie?
@@jattnijjerable y did you said apocryphal story.
@@janpreetsingh5594
Indeed, and your retort is ?
@@jattnijjerable do you believe 100% on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and they are Guru Nanak dev ji themselves, meaning they have JOT of all 10 gurus?
You, and the world, know the answer, why is the guru granth sahib sovereign and authenticated?
It has a copy dictated by guru gobind Singh and scibed by brai mani singh- the entire GURU GRANTH SAHIB was memorized and passes on from guru to guru with naming and numbering reference systems so it can't be forged
Compare that to the other things that emerged after GURU GOBIND SINGH died
Compare it to the geeta or Koran written and changed over time and by authors unknown !
If you don't have power to unite the panth, then don't divide it, research if you are curious, Harimandir Sahib, Amritsar Sahib, in upper sanctum Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji hand written by Guru Arjan Dev Ji is present there.
@@janpreetsingh5594
I will soon return and carve out from UP to Sindh to Iraq to the Caucasus and central Asia
I'm not dividing I'm uniting
I see no evidence to believe made up fairy stories about dasam granth or sarbloh
Why don't you educate yourself and St and up to falsehood !!!
@@jattnijjerable this will help u understand
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@@-mx9mi
There is no inauguration ceremony by guru gobind singh so this text is highly suspect nor was it included In ggs
This is not disputed
Where is the corroborating legitimate primary sources that guru gobind wrote all these texts ?
That became by his order - as anybody else order is ultra vires -
A granth called dasam granth?
Or is it bachitar Natak
Or samundar sagar
Contradictions galore
That's why your line of argument is problematic
Ie giving rise to more problems
Hmm tell me sherlock
Was it
a- written by guru gobind singh before he died
B- Compiled by bhai mani singh
C- written by senapat
D- written bt guru gobind singh but lost is a river
E- all the above
And was it called
A- Bachitar Natak
B - samundar sagar
C- dasam granth
D- dasne patasah de granth
E- all the above
Hey watson
Is there any
A- corroborating verified primary evidence
B- any verified primary evidence
C- any primary evidence
D- any non contradicting secondary evidence
E- non if the above
Because you rely on the premise this people or group of them NIHANG are right about this dg and shakti worship sarbloh GRANTH, really ???
There is no evidence !
A claim in a book is a secondary claim not primary evidence
Moreover the different sources of secondary evidence contradict each other
This is a weak position therefore no half educated reasonable person professing to believe in the guru or sikhi would believe it
Someone professing belief in the guru would require many stronger primary sources of evidence that corroborate each other
Hence my simple question prove you are sikh - let us debate the ggs
Or leave us to conclude you are a faker !
It was completed by guru gobind singh
Lost is a river
Complied by Bhai Mani Singh
Compiled on request of mata sahib
Was this called bachitar Natak
Was compiled after by someone else in 1800s
That's without going into the religious philosophical contradiction to ggs sikhi
And alignment to the other jedi Text sarbloh that pops out of nowhere
And aligns to middle south sub continent 'rajput' devi shiv worship
Who has authenticated it?
Your faith lies in them nor the letter. ......
The letter also contradicts other unauthenticated secondary sources also I think. ....
There is not a coherent account of this so called dg verified by collaborating primary sources
This is not a question about bhai mani singh
Let's be clear you nor I have spoken to or have primary evidence from bhai mani singh or mata sahib
What we have are claims from people unknown to us in secondary sources that claim bhai mani singh did something or mata said something
Your fairh and reference point are these people not
The guru
Bhai mani singh, or
Mata sahib
Bandai nihung southern Indian rajput devi influence
Exclusive control of editing and compiling the gurus words was within the hands of the guru thus was authenticity confirmed. Exclusively for GURU GRANTH SAHIB
Use argument lines quotes
Thanks
@@jattnijjerable i just wanna ask u something did read dasam bani or sarabhloh bani
Waheguru ji Ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Jhim jhim barse amarit dhara mann peeve sun shabad vichara.
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh