FOR LIFEWEAVER, check out this session here (th-cam.com/video/HHAqXNNQQIo/w-d-xo.html). FOR ILLARI: th-cam.com/video/EDmmyt0Oph4/w-d-xo.html This was done in collaboration with r/Overwatch2's Discord and r/OverwatchUniversity- big shoutout to those guys for their assistance with accumulating gameplay. If you're interested in getting coached, please check out the OW2 COACHING link in the description, and if you want to see what 1-on-1 coaching looks like, be sure to check out my VOD channel (also linked in the description)!
Ive done free coaching on and off for about 6 years, this is so important info, this video beeing free to watch by anyone even tho that you do payed coaching is so nice of you, incredible work, honestly
Spilo, I’ve been watching you since June 2021 and I’ve never come across anyone who is this good at teaching complicated OW concepts in an understandable manner. It’s really something that makes you stand out far FAR above the rest. An additional reason why “repeating” the concepts is so common is also because those are fundamental to OW and most people tend to look past or undervalue them. Keep it up man, you’re doing great
@@dogs-game-too I've played less tank but have a very positive win rate. Knowing my support duo and especially burst vs AOE vs ranged healing etc has helped me to really adapt my level of aggression for sure
This is awesome, thank you for doing this. I took a long break from OW and just recently started up again. This time around I'm focusing on playing only Zen to try to improve. Instead of switching when I fail, need to power through and learn from it. I found the Zen segment to be helpful. Thank you again!!
something about keeping my team mates alive fills me with a special type of joy I had never felt before and I owe that to your videos. You have changed the way I think entirely to the point where now I'm also improving in other games as well.
Set my Season 4 goal to be "Go from Masters to GM by the end of the season". Ended up hitting GM4 by the end of the first day, fresh after watching this video. Thanks, Spilo.
FINALLY someone who explains how to play Brig properly. Brig is such a complex and resource-focused hero and she always gets boiled down to "bodyguard the support".
His brig guide helped me a lot. I find it helpful to remind myself to play defensively until someone get aggressive. When one of my teammates try to feed, walk with them, pocket them, and stay alive. If one person feeds they are trolling but if the team feeds its a strats. I think about "who is feeding" all the time and walk with them, but if nobody is feeding, I play defensive. Theres also more to it like surviving, occasionally packing critical tanks and supports, holding angles on highground even when noones there, backing out when need be, letting an un-save-able teammates die etc. But in general I find it easy to just stay with the team until one of ur dps/support walks away and trys to go for an off-angle to get a kill. I act as a bodyguard for anybody whos on the flank. It really enables my team and forces the enemy team to use cooldowns and change attention away from tank so the tank stays alive and can walk.
Awkward's "Damage Damage Damage" on support mindset is what helped me climb out of silver up to Plat. I know Plat is a joke, but I don't play that much so it feels like an accomplishment to me.
Plat is allot higher than the average rank in ow2. Apparently the average rank in ow2 is something in between silver and gold I believe. Besides getting out of silver as a support is a accomplishment on itself and you got better at the game. It doesn't matter what rank you are, if you play to improve and you improve you already won the game. Now you play to beat your own highscore :)
I was hardstuck plat/low Diamond on tank before role queue came out and I took a break I’m stuck in gold now all roles so I wouldn’t sweat it man you’re already above average Average rank like others said is probably high silver/low gold
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I love that this video was recorded on the April fools day patch 😂 and the icing on the cake is that almost all the chapters are screenshots of the wrong hero with googley eyes 👀🤣 Excellent stuff here coach. I’ve climbed from bronze 4 to plat 3 this season on support and bronze 5 to gold 1 on dps from watching mostly your content and a few others. Kinda sad you have to remake this vod in season 4 cause of WifeLeaver 😂 (yes that’s what I call him)
It's so important to not be entrapped in the mindset of being a "heal bot." It doesn't mean healing is not your focus, but it's when to heal and when to do damage. Support players that know when to switch to damage can push back their opponents, finish off a kill, or do ticks of damage so your teammates can make the final blow. This is something I have learned playing other support heroes besides Bap, Moira, Lucio, Brig, and Zen. With these heroes, damage is already ingrained in their kit. But I was being a heal bot with Kiriko, Ana, Lifeweaver, and Mercy. Specifically Kiriko, I could be looking for more opportunities to do damage to help my team. Pushing back an aggressive DPS opponent is key.
Thank you spilo! I was the first kiri player. I felt like I had plateaud and didn’t know what I needed to improve on. Now I have something to work on again!
You’ve made me realize what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ve known to apply pressure and heal teammates in between and always put yourself into good positions blah blah blah, but whenever I get someone low on the brink of death I get frustrated when they fall back out of sight. I tunnel them and push completely neglecting my teammates then they die which then causes me to die.
TYSMMMM😿😿💝 Im a Brig main and this video helps a lot, shes one of the hardest heros and i want to get value with her :> The best guide of supports at least for me
Idk if this is too basic to be useful in such an in depth video but the fundamental priorities of support are: 1. Keep yourself alive > 2. Keep your other support alive After that comes everything said in this... lecture😂, I like to keep that in mind if my mind is racing mid game.
I agree with 1 not with 2 lol. If I know it will cost me too many shots to get my other support to safety I try to get them to get value by healing them so maybe they can get to safety themselves if a cooldown comes available. If my mercy flies into the entire enemy team on accident I'll heal her enough to check if she is close enough to valk or has it. If not I'll heal her until the none hitscans stop shooting at her and she is certainly dead. Like yes I should heal my support buddies but I can't make them immortal is what I'm saying for a extended period (suzu). So at a certain point they guaranteed dead and I stop trying.
The thing is, miora and Brigitte are both opportunistic. You shouldn't initiate the fight and poke who you can between heals. When a dps is exposed, hop on any exposed dps and push them back and help execute low health targets. Breed chaos (by keeping team up), become chaos when everyone is distracted.
Ooooooh, now I get something. I play a lot of Ana (Gold 4 currently), and I love trying to kill a flying Pharah in the distance, but I've always felt that I failed if the Pharah manages to escape. Now I see that the Pharah escaping is actually a bit of a win for me, since she won't do anything to my team for a while, so I've successfully pressured them to leave the fight.
@@trolltoll440 If I'm on Ana, I can't switch to Tracer, and I can't control what others do. My point is, I now know that I don't necessarily need to finish off that Pharah to have had an impact.
Don't even bother, with the newest de support he will be even more shit than now. You blade a target? They get pulled away during it they have a invulnerable shield that allows them up to 30 meters of invulnerable distance away from said blade. You blade, well what if I just throw a petal elevator underneath the target as you pull the blade or put 1 at where you are ending up with your dash? Your entire blade will get screwed over. That or your own lifeweaver just pulls you next to her as you are blading to troll you. Ontop of that you can have a petal sitting there forever untill they use it to get away from it and immediately throw a different one because the cooldown was already 0.
I love this lol. The other day (before I saw this) I was like wait I can shoot the enemy Ana at the start of the fight... instantly followed up with a kill by a flanker. I was like "why didn't I think of this before" lmao
I disagree on take that Moira is Kiriko but worse. She has few things going on for her that enable her to be more self-sufficient than Kiriko. 1) She self heals when damaging people, which helps a lot in duels. 24hps is almost a Zen orb pocket, which we know how nice it feels on Genji or Tracer. 2) You can use orb to increase dps OR to self-heal yourself to a very strong level. Kiriko can disengage just as easily as Moira, but she can't keep up much with damage when gets shot few times. With Moira you can position yourself inside rooms like Junkrat and abuse healing orb to be near unkillable 3) Easier mechanics means that while she lacks burst damage of headshots she is infinitely more consistent. Try to duel Genji as Kiriko and Moira and tell me that Kiriko is superior at dueling him. She's just not. Headshots are inconsistent, especially on projectiles. You can two tap people that are in melee range to you easily because at this point it's like hitscan but with big hitbox, but past few meters it starts to become really hard to do. 4) Easy aim = you can fully focus on dodging stuff. Abuse crouch spam and strafing and be annoying as possible 5) Good effective range. 15 meters allows you to play pretty safe and hit people reliably. At this range Kiriko would struggle to hit stuff, especially headshots which are the only threating thing in her kit. You kill people with rightclick if they don't receive heal. You don't kill people with 5 bodyshots on Kiriko lol. You will die 3 times before it happens 6) Fade not being tied to allies means you can play deep in the enemy backline and escape not only to your team but to near healthpacks and extend the uptime on flanks 7) Purple orb can force snipers or other stationary targets out of comfortable spot and discourage flankers. Kiriko doesn't have anything in her kit to do that other than trying to land headshots across the map Overall Moira is just better duelist than Kiriko. I agree that you need to leverage her survability and mobility and focus on distracting enemies and dueling people, but to say that she is just worse Kiriko feels wrong. Her kit is way better at fighting people 1v1 than Kiriko (outside of point blank range). Try to fight Moira as Kiriko on deathmatch and tell me how it went. Or try to fight Genji as Kiriko then do it on Moira. With Tracer I feel like Moira still has better chances, but Kiriko can one shot her with melee + hs, so i guess there is something good for her going on. Kiriko has better mobility and team oriented cooldowns, but her damage is so much less consistent. And as a GM player myself, I can aim. It's just not reliable enough. I unironically like Moira to be played as a third dps, similar to flankers like Tracer. If you have dive tank you can go full deep with them and throw orb + suck the life out of their target. It's much easier to confirm kills when Ball + Moira are dpsing than to do it alone. And thanks to Moira absolutely self-sufficient Kit, you can easily be around positions your Ball wants to slam.
idk about u but i've won more fights against genji than i have on moira, granted i rarely play moira but i still think kiriko is better against genji. i shoot him in the head, he deflects, then he runs or i kill him. in fact i've won more fights as kiriko than i have on moira because when i play moira if i dont have the dmg orb nobody dies. kiriko feels like she actually gets kills unlike moira
i dont know if you will see this :P but its worth asking i think... if your dps doesnt take flanks do you create one or do you encouraging them to take one? communicate or w/e (Asking mostly about Kiriko but you get the idea)
Great video thank you! Question: 95% of the time I have the least deaths in the server, but other players still have similar stats as me even though they've died more -- how much more aggressive should I be? I feel like I die too much when I try to maximize my APM because of average mechanics. 5+ years of play and that's still my problem. I can only play a few hours a few days a week, so mechanics have never been amazing but I have good game sense. Maybe I need tips for how to improve mechanics with not a lot of time to play? I'm gold, plat, and diamond across the three roles if that matters
Edit: my best advice is probably at the bottom cous I thought of it late and on phone so it's a pain to move my bad:P My advice is to try to see what you can get away with, it all depends on what the opponents run for heroes, if they have 2 snipers it's generally not worth it to peek them unless you can create a entirely different angle and deny them sightlines onto you. For example if you can rotate towards the door on junkertown A as attacker and keep healing you're entire team while not having to peek the snipers at all it may be worth it as it allows you to shoot people in the back when they get on cart. Like yes it's a unorthodox position but how will they kill you as a sniper with a wrecking ball as tank? How will ball kill you when he has to deny cart progress and their supports play on the highground? They can't deal with you from that position. However that also depends on if they have a brawl tank that will absolutely destroy you when he is close by. It also depends on the rank you play in. Generally I try to be fairly aggressive until it gets punished. Ofcourse you have to keep in mind that certain fights at certain points on the map are very important to win (like at the end of kings row second when you have a ult advantage) you don't want to be dying and losing the fight while investing allot of important ults because of the time it takes to walk to that point of the map so try to be a bit more conservative/safe during those fights. It also depends upon your ability to duel as a support, if you are confident you can win the duel against a genji and he can't 1shot you because he lacks the mechanics you could play in dash range and make him feed into you. That will give your team the advantage and allow you to push up further for example with less risk. In terms of mechanics, I think spilo would recommend tryhard FFA (in the custom games tab) it's free for all deathmatch. Personally in ow1 when I realised I was stuck in silver due to never getting peeled for as a support and thus eventually dying i spend 150 hours in quickplay playing ana only until I got 3 MVP cards with 92%+ on fire in a row with a combined death count of 5. I then climbed to high plat in a week. Purely because I got very good at dueling and survival without any form of help from a teammate. That made me able to play more aggressive or just have more impact in general because I could live longer. If all you do while living longer currently is heal against sniper comps for example is that worth it? You teammates die from headshots not spam damage so applying more pressure would be more beneficial because eventually they will hit a headshot you cannot outheal. For example if you play near a corner and you know there is a sonic at that corner just walking closer to that corner might change the hanzo's crosshair placement even though you never go around said corner. If the widow just shot you jiggle peeking at the corner will maybe mean she now holds her crosshair at that corner instead of someone else even though you will never peek again. Things like that are so small but can be very beneficial. You are priority number 1 to kill as a support so every time you bait them there is a high likelihood they will take the bait.
I completely disagree about your views on Moira. I'm a Top 500/GM Moira main (Kiriko secondary) and Moira isn't a worse Kiriko at all. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, you can do things as Moira that you can't do as Kiriko and vice versa. Especially in regular ranked play, Moira works just fine. You can easily pressure the support backline from afar with Moira which you can't do as reliably with Kiriko. Moira has burst heals and sustained high hps that can be applied to multiple teammates. Kiriko has a 1s invul with okay single target heals although no burst and burst dmg if hitting crits. It's all about how you utilize the kits that makes you better or worse. Moira is definitely more difficult to pull off in higher ranks but why would anyone pick the easy way out with Kiriko :p
Funny that this was posted right before we get a new support, so lifeweaver won't be in here. Probably should've waited like a week or two to put this out just for that!
I was a high masters support main in ow 1 but in ow 2 I struggle to climb and it feels like I can do whatever I want and can output almost inting levels of value. I feel like I'm going mental every game until i int like 1 or 2 fights and lose lmao... but on tank i went from being like high diamond player straight too t500 but nobody wants to q w my tank or recruit me for a team cos they call me a troll :(
I suggest either eradicating the micro paint usage, or get yourself a pen and pad software and device to make it feel more effort instead of scribbles with a mouse. Thanks for the stream
Just one more video before bed
Lmao
Lol
Me rn
😂
It’s 5 and a half hours though!!! 😂
can't believe blizzard released a new hero just so Spilo's complete support guide would no longer be complete
can’t believe blizzard release another hero just so Spilo’s complete support guide would no longer be complete
Deviant behavior for sure
How you been liking Mauga lol
SO TRUE
Watched the Ana part, went into a game. INSTANT improvement. It felt like I was playing an entirely new game. I was getting so much value
same here. this content is so easy to absorb
D - Demonstrate Value
3:17:09 hey dats me😄 thanks for choosing my vod and doing all this Spilo🙏🏼
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You’re the goat spilo
My issue on kiriko is aim. I'm on console and i can't stop fiddling with aim assist window size.
Reminder to come update for Juno too
Ive done free coaching on and off for about 6 years, this is so important info, this video beeing free to watch by anyone even tho that you do payed coaching is so nice of you, incredible work, honestly
Spilo, I’ve been watching you since June 2021 and I’ve never come across anyone who is this good at teaching complicated OW concepts in an understandable manner. It’s really something that makes you stand out far FAR above the rest. An additional reason why “repeating” the concepts is so common is also because those are fundamental to OW and most people tend to look past or undervalue them.
Keep it up man, you’re doing great
Thanks so much! I've been grinding support this season as a tank main and have been learning a ton. Such a different way to play and view the game.
The best tanks understand supports benefits and limitations imo, so good on you for learning
@@dogs-game-too I've played less tank but have a very positive win rate. Knowing my support duo and especially burst vs AOE vs ranged healing etc has helped me to really adapt my level of aggression for sure
@@dogs-game-too yeah I love supports who can balance their aggression and sightliness
This was the overwatch content I've always been looking for, thank you for all this,can't wait to play more brig and use these pointers
This is probably not only your best guide for new players or people who want to get better at Overwatch, but 100% the best guide for Support players.
This is awesome, thank you for doing this. I took a long break from OW and just recently started up again. This time around I'm focusing on playing only Zen to try to improve. Instead of switching when I fail, need to power through and learn from it. I found the Zen segment to be helpful. Thank you again!!
You ever get that like “oh my god how have I never saw it that way” this video made all the puzzle pieces fall into place it makes so much sense now
something about keeping my team mates alive fills me with a special type of joy I had never felt before and I owe that to your videos. You have changed the way I think entirely to the point where now I'm also improving in other games as well.
The most valuable Overwatch video EVER. 5 hours of absolute GOLD
im so glad i found your channel my guy, u explain stuff so clean no bullshit, no fillers, no useless crap. bless u my man 🙏
Set my Season 4 goal to be "Go from Masters to GM by the end of the season". Ended up hitting GM4 by the end of the first day, fresh after watching this video. Thanks, Spilo.
FINALLY someone who explains how to play Brig properly. Brig is such a complex and resource-focused hero and she always gets boiled down to "bodyguard the support".
His brig guide helped me a lot. I find it helpful to remind myself to play defensively until someone get aggressive. When one of my teammates try to feed, walk with them, pocket them, and stay alive. If one person feeds they are trolling but if the team feeds its a strats. I think about "who is feeding" all the time and walk with them, but if nobody is feeding, I play defensive.
Theres also more to it like surviving, occasionally packing critical tanks and supports, holding angles on highground even when noones there, backing out when need be, letting an un-save-able teammates die etc.
But in general I find it easy to just stay with the team until one of ur dps/support walks away and trys to go for an off-angle to get a kill. I act as a bodyguard for anybody whos on the flank. It really enables my team and forces the enemy team to use cooldowns and change attention away from tank so the tank stays alive and can walk.
Awkward's "Damage Damage Damage" on support mindset is what helped me climb out of silver up to Plat. I know Plat is a joke, but I don't play that much so it feels like an accomplishment to me.
Plat is allot higher than the average rank in ow2. Apparently the average rank in ow2 is something in between silver and gold I believe.
Besides getting out of silver as a support is a accomplishment on itself and you got better at the game. It doesn't matter what rank you are, if you play to improve and you improve you already won the game. Now you play to beat your own highscore :)
I was hardstuck plat/low Diamond on tank before role queue came out and I took a break
I’m stuck in gold now all roles so I wouldn’t sweat it man you’re already above average
Average rank like others said is probably high silver/low gold
Top 100 on console just moved to pc about a month and a half ago and am gm3 support, awkwards u2gm’s are the truth man
@@berghantaylor2017 dude seriously my bap and Ana games have been so good. Went from 1200 in ow1 to diamond 1 in ow2
plat is well above the average! Don’t let anyone tell you it’s a joke
thank you sm for making time stamps
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6 hrs of the best OW content i’ve ever seen
I would kill for you to make a tank guide like this
Fez here, thank you for featuring me.
The beauty of ms paint is that it is scuffed, but still achieves the message in the clearest way possible
I love that this video was recorded on the April fools day patch 😂 and the icing on the cake is that almost all the chapters are screenshots of the wrong hero with googley eyes 👀🤣
Excellent stuff here coach. I’ve climbed from bronze 4 to plat 3 this season on support and bronze 5 to gold 1 on dps from watching mostly your content and a few others.
Kinda sad you have to remake this vod in season 4 cause of WifeLeaver 😂 (yes that’s what I call him)
It's so important to not be entrapped in the mindset of being a "heal bot." It doesn't mean healing is not your focus, but it's when to heal and when to do damage. Support players that know when to switch to damage can push back their opponents, finish off a kill, or do ticks of damage so your teammates can make the final blow. This is something I have learned playing other support heroes besides Bap, Moira, Lucio, Brig, and Zen. With these heroes, damage is already ingrained in their kit. But I was being a heal bot with Kiriko, Ana, Lifeweaver, and Mercy. Specifically Kiriko, I could be looking for more opportunities to do damage to help my team. Pushing back an aggressive DPS opponent is key.
Thank you spilo! I was the first kiri player. I felt like I had plateaud and didn’t know what I needed to improve on. Now I have something to work on again!
Wow, I'm interacting with the comment section on this online video about overwatch. That's fantastic.
So you're saying that if I play Lúcio, I should be unmedicated to get the most value out of my ADHD. Got it got it....
i was waiting on the upload 🙏
You’ve made me realize what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ve known to apply pressure and heal teammates in between and always put yourself into good positions blah blah blah, but whenever I get someone low on the brink of death I get frustrated when they fall back out of sight. I tunnel them and push completely neglecting my teammates then they die which then causes me to die.
Worst thing to do when one person is dying is to let another one die as well
Wow, I really appreciate your hard work! Much love Spilo. ❤
TYSMMMM😿😿💝 Im a Brig main and this video helps a lot, shes one of the hardest heros and i want to get value with her :> The best guide of supports at least for me
nah brig is easy as fk! u r bad at her mainly because u r a girl!
omg a 6 hour bible on support, thanks K̶a̶r̶Q̶ Spilo!
Best support guide ever made🤝🏾🤝🏾
Incredible resource for learning mindset and how to play on a macro scale.
Hoping for similar guides for tanks and DPS 🙏.
Cant wait for the 20 hour dps video 😁
Idk if this is too basic to be useful in such an in depth video but the fundamental priorities of support are:
1. Keep yourself alive >
2. Keep your other support alive
After that comes everything said in this... lecture😂, I like to keep that in mind if my mind is racing mid game.
I agree with 1 not with 2 lol. If I know it will cost me too many shots to get my other support to safety I try to get them to get value by healing them so maybe they can get to safety themselves if a cooldown comes available.
If my mercy flies into the entire enemy team on accident I'll heal her enough to check if she is close enough to valk or has it. If not I'll heal her until the none hitscans stop shooting at her and she is certainly dead.
Like yes I should heal my support buddies but I can't make them immortal is what I'm saying for a extended period (suzu). So at a certain point they guaranteed dead and I stop trying.
1 seems so basic but still so useful, if you are good ana, imagine walking to the point to actually play
@@anandmahamuni5442 u never want to be on point as ana unless its ot or the enemy is hard focusing u with dive character and ur following ur tank
Man this is freaking incredible, awesome piece of content here. Great insight!
thank you for this video! i learned a lot about getting great value on brigitte
Bro just dropped the hardest most in-depth overwatch guide
and thought we wouldn't notice
holy shit this was so helpful, i was wasting my time on ur2gm fluff bs when i shouldve been watching this. cant wait for tank and dps!
its almost like u can give good information without needing to smurf or something
This is a juicy one. Thanks, Spilo.
This is really nice, could you also do one for tanks in the future ?
He will he said so in the stream
He just made one btw
The thing is, miora and Brigitte are both opportunistic. You shouldn't initiate the fight and poke who you can between heals. When a dps is exposed, hop on any exposed dps and push them back and help execute low health targets.
Breed chaos (by keeping team up), become chaos when everyone is distracted.
Spilo Tysm this vid helped improve on Ana a lot
Spilo surely u give an advanced Ana guide
can you please do a dps complete guide please? I love the way you explain the game!!
Spilooo thank you for all that you do
Hey Spilo, are you gonna be planning to do this for tank/dps?
Ooooooh, now I get something. I play a lot of Ana (Gold 4 currently), and I love trying to kill a flying Pharah in the distance, but I've always felt that I failed if the Pharah manages to escape. Now I see that the Pharah escaping is actually a bit of a win for me, since she won't do anything to my team for a while, so I've successfully pressured them to leave the fight.
Gold 4 mindset. You should be hunting the pharah down with your tracer
@@trolltoll440 If I'm on Ana, I can't switch to Tracer, and I can't control what others do. My point is, I now know that I don't necessarily need to finish off that Pharah to have had an impact.
This is amazing! Are you planning on doing a tank and DPS one too?
that video would be days long lmao
Holy this guide is God tier.
Thank you spilo this is very clutch(please teach me how to play genji)
Don't even bother, with the newest de support he will be even more shit than now. You blade a target? They get pulled away during it they have a invulnerable shield that allows them up to 30 meters of invulnerable distance away from said blade. You blade, well what if I just throw a petal elevator underneath the target as you pull the blade or put 1 at where you are ending up with your dash? Your entire blade will get screwed over. That or your own lifeweaver just pulls you next to her as you are blading to troll you. Ontop of that you can have a petal sitting there forever untill they use it to get away from it and immediately throw a different one because the cooldown was already 0.
We need a video like this for Tank pls
Great idea
I love this lol. The other day (before I saw this) I was like wait I can shoot the enemy Ana at the start of the fight... instantly followed up with a kill by a flanker. I was like "why didn't I think of this before" lmao
1:55:48 'ball you're not allowed to hide here. I beat the crap' weird flex but okay xD
I’m going into my audio files and changing the nano últ sound to 17:30
I disagree on take that Moira is Kiriko but worse. She has few things going on for her that enable her to be more self-sufficient than Kiriko.
1) She self heals when damaging people, which helps a lot in duels. 24hps is almost a Zen orb pocket, which we know how nice it feels on Genji or Tracer.
2) You can use orb to increase dps OR to self-heal yourself to a very strong level. Kiriko can disengage just as easily as Moira, but she can't keep up much with damage when gets shot few times. With Moira you can position yourself inside rooms like Junkrat and abuse healing orb to be near unkillable
3) Easier mechanics means that while she lacks burst damage of headshots she is infinitely more consistent. Try to duel Genji as Kiriko and Moira and tell me that Kiriko is superior at dueling him. She's just not. Headshots are inconsistent, especially on projectiles. You can two tap people that are in melee range to you easily because at this point it's like hitscan but with big hitbox, but past few meters it starts to become really hard to do.
4) Easy aim = you can fully focus on dodging stuff. Abuse crouch spam and strafing and be annoying as possible
5) Good effective range. 15 meters allows you to play pretty safe and hit people reliably. At this range Kiriko would struggle to hit stuff, especially headshots which are the only threating thing in her kit. You kill people with rightclick if they don't receive heal. You don't kill people with 5 bodyshots on Kiriko lol. You will die 3 times before it happens
6) Fade not being tied to allies means you can play deep in the enemy backline and escape not only to your team but to near healthpacks and extend the uptime on flanks
7) Purple orb can force snipers or other stationary targets out of comfortable spot and discourage flankers. Kiriko doesn't have anything in her kit to do that other than trying to land headshots across the map
Overall Moira is just better duelist than Kiriko. I agree that you need to leverage her survability and mobility and focus on distracting enemies and dueling people, but to say that she is just worse Kiriko feels wrong. Her kit is way better at fighting people 1v1 than Kiriko (outside of point blank range). Try to fight Moira as Kiriko on deathmatch and tell me how it went. Or try to fight Genji as Kiriko then do it on Moira. With Tracer I feel like Moira still has better chances, but Kiriko can one shot her with melee + hs, so i guess there is something good for her going on. Kiriko has better mobility and team oriented cooldowns, but her damage is so much less consistent. And as a GM player myself, I can aim. It's just not reliable enough.
I unironically like Moira to be played as a third dps, similar to flankers like Tracer. If you have dive tank you can go full deep with them and throw orb + suck the life out of their target. It's much easier to confirm kills when Ball + Moira are dpsing than to do it alone. And thanks to Moira absolutely self-sufficient Kit, you can easily be around positions your Ball wants to slam.
idk about u but i've won more fights against genji than i have on moira, granted i rarely play moira but i still think kiriko is better against genji. i shoot him in the head, he deflects, then he runs or i kill him. in fact i've won more fights as kiriko than i have on moira because when i play moira if i dont have the dmg orb nobody dies. kiriko feels like she actually gets kills unlike moira
Quick reminder
stop shooting the horse
Ty
Waiting for the tank complete guide!
thank you spilo
i dont know if you will see this :P but its worth asking i think... if your dps doesnt take flanks do you create one or do you encouraging them to take one? communicate or w/e (Asking mostly about Kiriko but you get the idea)
He never told me whos fault it is when i loose.
I think its the other healer 100% because they didnt watch this video
I was hardstuck plat 3 on brig wondering what I could do better this video opened my eyes and helped me climb to diamond and like wow
I can’t thank you enough
@@pandjus old comment but watch his "advanced brig guide" where he roasts a diamond brig VOD, HUGE eye opener for how to play brig.
@@neilmallick20 okay thanks for that :)
I'm GM on support and I learned stuff from this lmao
1:39:12 spilo is diamond?
We need the Sojourn guide
2:51:59
Great video thank you! Question: 95% of the time I have the least deaths in the server, but other players still have similar stats as me even though they've died more -- how much more aggressive should I be? I feel like I die too much when I try to maximize my APM because of average mechanics. 5+ years of play and that's still my problem. I can only play a few hours a few days a week, so mechanics have never been amazing but I have good game sense. Maybe I need tips for how to improve mechanics with not a lot of time to play? I'm gold, plat, and diamond across the three roles if that matters
Edit: my best advice is probably at the bottom cous I thought of it late and on phone so it's a pain to move my bad:P
My advice is to try to see what you can get away with, it all depends on what the opponents run for heroes, if they have 2 snipers it's generally not worth it to peek them unless you can create a entirely different angle and deny them sightlines onto you. For example if you can rotate towards the door on junkertown A as attacker and keep healing you're entire team while not having to peek the snipers at all it may be worth it as it allows you to shoot people in the back when they get on cart.
Like yes it's a unorthodox position but how will they kill you as a sniper with a wrecking ball as tank? How will ball kill you when he has to deny cart progress and their supports play on the highground? They can't deal with you from that position.
However that also depends on if they have a brawl tank that will absolutely destroy you when he is close by. It also depends on the rank you play in. Generally I try to be fairly aggressive until it gets punished.
Ofcourse you have to keep in mind that certain fights at certain points on the map are very important to win (like at the end of kings row second when you have a ult advantage) you don't want to be dying and losing the fight while investing allot of important ults because of the time it takes to walk to that point of the map so try to be a bit more conservative/safe during those fights.
It also depends upon your ability to duel as a support, if you are confident you can win the duel against a genji and he can't 1shot you because he lacks the mechanics you could play in dash range and make him feed into you. That will give your team the advantage and allow you to push up further for example with less risk.
In terms of mechanics, I think spilo would recommend tryhard FFA (in the custom games tab) it's free for all deathmatch.
Personally in ow1 when I realised I was stuck in silver due to never getting peeled for as a support and thus eventually dying i spend 150 hours in quickplay playing ana only until I got 3 MVP cards with 92%+ on fire in a row with a combined death count of 5. I then climbed to high plat in a week. Purely because I got very good at dueling and survival without any form of help from a teammate. That made me able to play more aggressive or just have more impact in general because I could live longer.
If all you do while living longer currently is heal against sniper comps for example is that worth it? You teammates die from headshots not spam damage so applying more pressure would be more beneficial because eventually they will hit a headshot you cannot outheal. For example if you play near a corner and you know there is a sonic at that corner just walking closer to that corner might change the hanzo's crosshair placement even though you never go around said corner. If the widow just shot you jiggle peeking at the corner will maybe mean she now holds her crosshair at that corner instead of someone else even though you will never peek again.
Things like that are so small but can be very beneficial. You are priority number 1 to kill as a support so every time you bait them there is a high likelihood they will take the bait.
I'm gonna need you to make more guides rq
The moira VOD twist 😂😂😂
Whats min maxing?
lifeweaver drops. *slams desk. gotta redo the whole vid now
Hey does this video still hold up or have updates made it outdated?
This video made me sub
Rally rework reaction soon?
I love your channel and love analyzing Overwatch but sadly I’m a torb player… so no content😂
hey im trying to join the discord but it keeps saying invite invalid
discord.gg/8AxfspUBAf sorry
can u coach me
You forgot Lifeweaver
hey thanks
I completely disagree about your views on Moira. I'm a Top 500/GM Moira main (Kiriko secondary) and Moira isn't a worse Kiriko at all. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, you can do things as Moira that you can't do as Kiriko and vice versa. Especially in regular ranked play, Moira works just fine. You can easily pressure the support backline from afar with Moira which you can't do as reliably with Kiriko. Moira has burst heals and sustained high hps that can be applied to multiple teammates. Kiriko has a 1s invul with okay single target heals although no burst and burst dmg if hitting crits. It's all about how you utilize the kits that makes you better or worse. Moira is definitely more difficult to pull off in higher ranks but why would anyone pick the easy way out with Kiriko :p
thought this was a aprill fools joke, but now i am very very happy it wasnt!
Its the 4th…
@@Manny99999 the stream happened on the 1st
@@Manny99999 stream was on 1st mate
gold mine
Damage and tank guide?
The dps video would be like 20 hrs
Me watching this guide a day before open division 🤓
This dudes like a college professor lol
3:40:43 sus?
?? 6 hours?? Oh my god???
“Damage is healing”
Funny that this was posted right before we get a new support, so lifeweaver won't be in here. Probably should've waited like a week or two to put this out just for that!
Moira's fade significantly better than Kiriko tp though.
Lmao does this man have a Bible verse on his playercard thing
Why do I say Batiste bro talking about dry shampoo
Love these but it might be better to split it up into multiple videos just clipping the sections on each hero, make it more digestible and stuff
I was a high masters support main in ow 1 but in ow 2 I struggle to climb and it feels like I can do whatever I want and can output almost inting levels of value. I feel like I'm going mental every game until i int like 1 or 2 fights and lose lmao... but on tank i went from being like high diamond player straight too t500 but nobody wants to q w my tank or recruit me for a team cos they call me a troll :(
Oh, you are a coach? Name every mistake and strategy
I suggest either eradicating the micro paint usage, or get yourself a pen and pad software and device to make it feel more effort instead of scribbles with a mouse. Thanks for the stream
I make that skipping noise off-screen to make chicks think Im exercising at uni