i dont see enough people talk about the raw passion & knowledge that goes into these videos. they’re so creatively simple, but informationally beautiful. i love it
Ian would enjoy the Eli Whitney Museum, a hands on museum that offers a year-round inventing/engineering program for kids on the former grounds of the estate. They encourage building and taking apart.
Interesting to think how rifles may have evolved or progressed differently if Winchester hadn't bought out so many innovative, potential competitors and patents that they simply threw away.
I have learned a lot of US firearms history through these videos. Great stuff, and really interesting pieces that are totally unknown on my side of the Atlantic!
Ian! This video was awesome, I was just learning about Whitney and his weapon making today in History! Also learned about his contribution towards interchangeable parts.. The more you know!
Why do you guys keep complaining about the quality of the video? Last I checked I'm only here for some gun education, not a hi-def experience. Great video Ian!
Kinda neat how TH-cam recommended this video to me as it (apart from being one of the few FW ones I've not previously seen) fits in nicely with the Winchester-theme currently running on Forgotten weapons. :)
Had Winchester done that about seventy years earlier they probably would had shot themselves in the foot, as I would imagine they were using Whitney's milling machine...
I find it interesting that the predicted prices of the Whitneyville rifles are remarkably cheap when compared to the competitive Winchester rifles of the same manufacture era. Even the Bullard lever and especially the Colt-Burgess you reviewed about a year ago demanded a higher premium. I wonder why that is.
+no name (atomflunder2) -- Point taken, but my comment was still appropriate (and incredibly witty, funny and intelligent) in a forgotten weapons forum so there. lol
+Trias TheKILLER Sadly that's happened a lot of times. The car petrol industry bought out the first electric car companies, held their patents and shut them down.
+scout2nut -- Yeah, Bill Gates has total control. Even Linux comes with a Microsoft copyright on it now. It's why Android is the most popular mobile OS and Linux is the most popular server OS, because Microsoft controls them.
+Thomas Mobley linux is the most popular server os because it's low intensity and can be run for long periods much better than, well anything. it's not like anyone's going to go through the effort to make a hackintosh just to run a server and windows just sucks.
+GuyKappe Ian said it in the previous video -Burgess was behind the design of all Whitney lever-actions, his name appeared along Whitney's only in the first rifle variant, but he still obtained a cut from profits of later model sales (which were advancements of his own design).
Enjoy all your videos, always well made and informative. Does anyone actually own the design of old lever actions like this now? I would assume the patent has long since ran out. Could a manufacturer like Miroku or anyone else not produce these models today? There are also Browning designs that were never made. This design with the short lever throw might appeal to the cowboy action shooters.
Uberti does make a reproduction of the 1883 Burgess, the thing is, since Winchesters were the most popular rifle of the time the people doing period correct roleplay will also usually go for them over weirder stuff because it fits their image of typical wild west kit. Consequently the other stuff is made in lower numbers, and a fair bit more expensive to make up for the lower sales (Uberti's 1873 Winchesters are like $1,000, their 1883 Burgess is $1,500). It'd be neat to see more less common models in reproductions, but when you're dealing with a niche market as it is, you make it even more niche by going the route of different. They'd have low sales and thus need high prices to make up for it, which in turn means they'll still be out of reach to most, and thus not particularly profitable.
+Nukle0n Was about to comment this. Looks like there's a scratch on the handguard that lines right up to it. So someone fudged up bad when they dropped it
Question: I once owned an old Ted William's 30 30 rifle rifle distributed by Sears during the 1960s and I liked the balance on that rifle better than the Winchester. If I remember correctly the barrel was marked Whitney. I really liked that old gun and was very sorry to have it stolen from me. I'd picked it up super cheap at a flea market but it was an extremely well made o.d gun and accurate. Am I correct in remembering this gun as a whitney?
Is there any more iconic firearm for a guy brought up on 1940s and 1950s westerns than a lever action rifle? Okay, maybe a Thompson, but the list is short.
I friend of mine has a Whitney/Shrafe 32 lever action full octagon barrel, model 1886 missing recoil flap small chip on left side of stock, asking $2,200 will provide pictures in a few days nice rifle
I've gotten so used to you opening up guns letting us see the mechanics of them all, that this was a bit of a let down. However I know there must've been a good reason for leaving it intact. Please read on... Nevertheless I love all you're programs, you're one of a kind. I hope to get my partner to watch you so she can see guns are not necessarily the domain of the psycho, and to note that people capable of joined up talking have an interest in them too.
nobody was contesting his patent, the cotton gin was brilliant but simple so people could easily copy it so they quickly made as many as they could, undercut the price from Whitney and kept going until they where shut down by court order. That's the danger of making a high demand product with a low barrier to entry anyone with even a little manufacturing experience could make one and they did.
I'm not business savvy at all but couldn't Whitneyville, or any other business for that matter, not accept the buy out? My impression is the business was bought when it wasn't for sale.
yep! it did have its production stopped in 1937 till the 80's where it was put back into production for cowboy action shooting due to the enthusiasts wanting a legit experience with ammo from the time they were emulating, the old west.
looks more like a gouge than a crack, got a question that's off subject. did anyone besides the Germans try the v-3 design, that's one i'd truly like to see fire?
buying out a competitor that isn't even worthy is just plain wrong. it would be like Samsung buying Apple......... why would you give a lesser company producing lesser products the satisfaction........
What the f*ck. Before the one minute mark I heard a very loud, scratchy, masculine voice say, "What do we have here?!". Please tell me I wasn't the only one. Please
But no. I do not have any zombie games downloaded. And my kindle can't play videos in the background. It's whatever. Just wondering if anyone elsewhere it.
This is the best gun channel EVER! It's like going to a gun museum and getting a personal tour and description of every gun.
i dont see enough people talk about the raw passion & knowledge that goes into these videos. they’re so creatively simple, but informationally beautiful. i love it
Definitely 👍
Ian would enjoy the Eli Whitney Museum, a hands on museum that offers a year-round inventing/engineering program for kids on the former grounds of the estate. They encourage building and taking apart.
Interesting to think how rifles may have evolved or progressed differently if Winchester hadn't bought out so many innovative, potential competitors and patents that they simply threw away.
Lots of big companies have done the same to protect their corner of business
Microsoft.
I have learned a lot of US firearms history through these videos. Great stuff, and really interesting pieces that are totally unknown on my side of the Atlantic!
Ian! This video was awesome, I was just learning about Whitney and his weapon making today in History! Also learned about his contribution towards interchangeable parts.. The more you know!
my favorite youtube channel, thanks for all your hard work
Why do you guys keep complaining about the quality of the video? Last I checked I'm only here for some gun education, not a hi-def experience. Great video Ian!
Not to mention, Ian is providing these videos free of charge.
IT'S 720P! THAT IS STILL FAIRLY HD!
Kinda neat how TH-cam recommended this video to me as it (apart from being one of the few FW ones I've not previously seen) fits in nicely with the Winchester-theme currently running on Forgotten weapons. :)
Whitneyville is a section of Hamden, Ct. just above New Haven. It is only a few miles from the Winchester factory of New Haven.
And less than a mile from the Eli Whitney Museum which stands on the Whitney estate.
Superficially, the action appears similar to the Marlin designs. It makes me wonder if Scharf did any work for Marlin after the Whitney debacle.
William Charles Scharf was my great grandfather and indeed worked for Marlin after Whitney was bought out; eventually becoming Plant Superintendant.
James Neely - The name Scharf sounds like German Name, was William Charles Scharf a migrant with German roots?
Had Winchester done that about seventy years earlier they probably would had shot themselves in the foot, as I would imagine they were using Whitney's milling machine...
I find it interesting that the predicted prices of the Whitneyville rifles are remarkably cheap when compared to the competitive Winchester rifles of the same manufacture era. Even the Bullard lever and especially the Colt-Burgess you reviewed about a year ago demanded a higher premium. I wonder why that is.
Brand recognition. People paying for the Winchesters and the Colts are paying for them _being_ Winchesters and Colts.
a rifle with my name!!!
well you are a sharp guy :D
+no name (atomflunder2) -- If he was a Sharp guy this would have to be about a Sharp's rifle.
Thomas Mobley scharf means sharp in german...
+no name (atomflunder2) -- Point taken, but my comment was still appropriate (and incredibly witty, funny and intelligent) in a forgotten weapons forum so there. lol
Neat piece of history
So,Winchester just bought Whitneyville just to close it down?
kingemocut hahaha yes
+Trias TheKILLER Sadly that's happened a lot of times. The car petrol industry bought out the first electric car companies, held their patents and shut them down.
+Nukle0n still happens today, just look at all the companies Bill Gates bought and shut down to give Microsoft total control of the computer industry
+scout2nut -- Yeah, Bill Gates has total control. Even Linux comes with a Microsoft copyright on it now. It's why Android is the most popular mobile OS and Linux is the most popular server OS, because Microsoft controls them.
+Thomas Mobley linux is the most popular server os because it's low intensity and can be run for long periods much better than, well anything. it's not like anyone's going to go through the effort to make a hackintosh just to run a server and windows just sucks.
Looks a great deal like a Colt Burgess rifle in the loading gate design, ejection port, and bolt. Are there any similarities in the action?
+GuyKappe
Ian said it in the previous video -Burgess was behind the design of all Whitney lever-actions, his name appeared along Whitney's only in the first rifle variant, but he still obtained a cut from profits of later model sales (which were advancements of his own design).
+GuyKappe It also looks to have some affinity with the Marlin model of 1881, the progenitor of the Marlin lever action rifle line.
Enjoy all your videos, always well made and informative. Does anyone actually own the design of old lever actions like this now? I would assume the patent has long since ran out. Could a manufacturer like Miroku or anyone else not produce these models today? There are also Browning designs that were never made. This design with the short lever throw might appeal to the cowboy action shooters.
Uberti does make a reproduction of the 1883 Burgess, the thing is, since Winchesters were the most popular rifle of the time the people doing period correct roleplay will also usually go for them over weirder stuff because it fits their image of typical wild west kit.
Consequently the other stuff is made in lower numbers, and a fair bit more expensive to make up for the lower sales (Uberti's 1873 Winchesters are like $1,000, their 1883 Burgess is $1,500).
It'd be neat to see more less common models in reproductions, but when you're dealing with a niche market as it is, you make it even more niche by going the route of different. They'd have low sales and thus need high prices to make up for it, which in turn means they'll still be out of reach to most, and thus not particularly profitable.
That's a nasty long single scratch there on the receiver...
+Nukle0n Could be polished without much issue.
+Nukle0n Was about to comment this. Looks like there's a scratch on the handguard that lines right up to it. So someone fudged up bad when they dropped it
mallory1970 But what if i want it not as a collector's item, but to shoot it?
+Captahn Bear You'd have to be silly to buy a gun like this to shoot it. Better get a reproduction and leave this one in the display case.
Nukle0n Not fond of owning a tool and not using it.
Always interesting presentations
Just curious- do you actually go out there multiple times in a week, or do you do a bunch of them in a batch and space out posting them?
+Bryce Christensen I film for about a week, edit and compile all the videos, and then post them one per day.
Honestly, if I was going to buy out a company, I would want their assets.
Shoes and none of their liabilities
Question: I once owned an old Ted William's 30 30 rifle rifle distributed by Sears during the 1960s and I liked the balance on that rifle better than the Winchester. If I remember correctly the barrel was marked Whitney. I really liked that old gun and was very sorry to have it stolen from me. I'd picked it up super cheap at a flea market but it was an extremely well made o.d gun and accurate. Am I correct in remembering this gun as a whitney?
That is a handsome rifle.
I have a Marlin 1881, how is it related to a Whitney-Scharf? It looks extremely similar.
In a previous comment someone said Scharf went to work at Marlin.
Is there any more iconic firearm for a guy brought up on 1940s and 1950s westerns than a lever action rifle? Okay, maybe a Thompson, but the list is short.
I friend of mine has a Whitney/Shrafe 32 lever action full octagon barrel, model 1886 missing recoil flap small chip on left side of stock, asking $2,200 will provide pictures in a few days nice rifle
I think Winchester bought out Spencer too, shut the Boston plant down and salvaged what machinery it could.
I've gotten so used to you opening up guns letting us see the mechanics of them all, that this was a bit of a let down. However I know there must've been a good reason for leaving it intact. Please read on...
Nevertheless I love all you're programs, you're one of a kind. I hope to get my partner to watch you so she can see guns are not necessarily the domain of the psycho, and to note that people capable of joined up talking have an interest in them too.
Imagine having a patent war with a guy and he then goes and revolutionises arms production
nobody was contesting his patent, the cotton gin was brilliant but simple so people could easily copy it so they quickly made as many as they could, undercut the price from Whitney and kept going until they where shut down by court order. That's the danger of making a high demand product with a low barrier to entry anyone with even a little manufacturing experience could make one and they did.
I know some Whitney descendants, they are all involved in manufacturing in one way or another.
The sliding loading gate looks like it would be more difficult to load than the push-in type.
How much is a 32 cal. Rifle Serial number 1806 worth?
ian your the best!
that would look cool next to my Westernfield
It looks pretty rusty, was blueing not a thing back then?
Bluing on a gun that is regularly used will not survive 150+ years.
Fair enough. I was just curious, as I wasn't certain.
This doesn't have anything to do with the video, but have you tried out World of Guns? I think you'd like the game.
Ian, is this the earliest weapon to use the tilting bolt locking system you know of, or are there earlier designs out there?
can you purchase replicas?
+Chad Hagen No, although there are replica Colt-Burgess rifles made.
looks like microsoft learnt from winchester
I'm not business savvy at all but couldn't Whitneyville, or any other business for that matter, not accept the buy out? My impression is the business was bought when it wasn't for sale.
+Josh Whealy Whitney Jr. was old and presumably had no heir, so he simply sold it to retire.
That kinda rubs me wrong how winchester did that, but during that time it wasquite common.....
+Derek Frankovich It is still super common.
So 2021
something happened with your mic
I misread it as "Whitney-Snarf"
It looks a lot like the Burgess
does 38-40 even exist anymore?
yep! it did have its production stopped in 1937 till the 80's where it was put back into production for cowboy action shooting due to the enthusiasts wanting a legit experience with ammo from the time they were emulating, the old west.
الا تعطینی هذه البندقیه احبها کثیر
looks more like a gouge than a crack, got a question that's off subject. did anyone besides the Germans try the v-3 design, that's one i'd truly like to see fire?
"Cool American Inventor" aka inventor of machine that saved slavery(maybe not so cool). Just giving you shit Ian, love your videos.
Thats MY kind of rifle lol :D
buying out a competitor that isn't even worthy is just plain wrong. it would be like Samsung buying Apple......... why would you give a lesser company producing lesser products the satisfaction........
What the f*ck. Before the one minute mark I heard a very loud, scratchy, masculine voice say, "What do we have here?!". Please tell me I wasn't the only one. Please
+All Games I heard nothing, are you sure? I replayed it a couple times and no such noise.
I re-watched it about four or five time, but only heard it that once. After I got up from my couch, I felt pure terror and panic. IDK
+All Games Do you happen to have the mobile game 'Dead Trigger' downloaded onto your device?
Oh, shit. That doesn't sound good.
But no. I do not have any zombie games downloaded. And my kindle can't play videos in the background. It's whatever. Just wondering if anyone elsewhere it.
Am I first?
I'm second
+Some Random Name
you came to the wrong neighborhood
where can i find out how much my winchester 94 30 30 serial number 2417724 is worth