lil secret: S-Enix has no real way of tracking if you used a parser so if you get dragged into the GM jail (14:50), just deny everything and you will be good. Admitting that you actually used a parser will be much more detrimental (let's keep this between ourselves)
that's why a lot of players either play it safe and just don't use them, or if they do, advise you never to say anything in game directly (technically this goes the same for visual mods) as if you do, SE has chat logs as proof.
I remember when I learned of parsers and asked my friends they all denied it in game. But on discord… heh Edit: Jesus Fucking Christ. Some people don’t like using parsers, other people like using parsers. As long as you’re not toxic it doesn’t matter. Parsers only add to the experience. It’s like, some people like coffee straight, others like coffee with milk. When coffee was created I doubt it was intended to be drank with milk. But milk adds to the experience, and people like it. So relax! Parsers are a good thing to have. You’re the one being toxic by pushing your ideology onto me.
As a Healer, the "don't die" section is very much appreciated. I have a new found hate for samurais as they just seem to stand in every AoE imaginable.
Another REAL important things for people to PLEASE do for their job... Please practice your Opener and rotation on a Training Dummy for a LONG period of time. A Extreme/Savage fights last a good 10 minutes when you first go into it, meaning you'll be repeating your rotation hundreds of time, and repeating your Burst phase (Similar to opener, with some tweaks) a good 5 to 8 times (Depending on your job) through out the fight. As much as learning and memorizing your Opener is important, hitting a training dummy a good 5 to 6 minutes straight to beat that rotation into your head naturally, knowing when your CD's come back and what lines up with up is very important to learning how not only to fully optimize, but to also be flexible with your rotation in almost any fight. Too many I know practice ONLY the opener, and tries to do extreme or early savage and soon mess up their rotation after the first 2 big mechanics, and rage that they don't know how to optimize/alter their rotation efficiently to pull off more damage. These people simply blindly follow a guide for openers, think they're doing amazing damage but fail realizing that its only for the first 30 seconds at eh START of the fight. By learning your opener, and then practicing your opener AND your rotation for long duration, you'll soon learn some jobs does very different things through out an entire Savage fight. So please, if you want to really learn how to do high DPS and optimize yourself to any fight, hit a training dummy for a long duration to muscle-memory your rotation.
gaucho fron cristal Here, i invented the slide cast before knowing it was an actual mechanic... i mean, if i am going to slide either way, better cast while i'm at it.
I’ve only ever played SAM and MNK as my dps classes. Recently picked up Dancer and… yeah he’s right lmao. It’s honestly a much more enjoyable experience imo but it’s definitely a hell of a lot more simple
Just wanted to say I’m a sprout who recently went through all your videos. Extremely helpful, well thought out, well edited, and some nice humor to boot. I even watched your dps and tank videos despite not playing those classes and I definitely learned some things. Appreciate the work you put into em and if you ever make more I’ll be there to watch!
Not meeting DPS checks or things dying slowly is indeed a sign that DPS players aren't doing well. However, it's worth noting that it could also means tanks and healers aren't doing well either. It's everyones job to DPS, DPS players are just better equipped to deal damage.
For sure. A lot of my static's raid progression revolved around our tanks and healers dealing more damage - and it's that kind of insight you don't get unless you use a parser.
@@AlZahard I think the game should have a built in parser that shows you only your own damage stats. And nothing more. The game really needs more ways for people to tell if they're doing good or not, and more ways for people to learn what being good is like. You can play 400 hours to complete the MSQ, and still be terrible because the MSQ only requires you to do the bare minimum to get past it.
@@JetEriksen Agreed! I'd love an individual DPS/HPS meter just so you know what kind of numbers you're putting through. Whether you share that with other should be up to you.
if things are dieing slowly its not because tanks and healers are chipping in their 9k dps at the extreme top end its because the dps players are doing 5k dps instead of 30k..... pretty massive and incomparable difference when 1 dps player fucking off makes more of a diff than 2 healers doing absolute bis #s lol with i suppose the exception of savage but thats not something you're generally gonna notice a kill speed diff on IMO thats something youll more notice the 2% at the end that werent gone or your entire party dieing from a dps check not being met
@@AlZahard for sure i don't understand why they build dps checks into the savage fights if they're gonna have this wishy-washy as fuck attitude it seems extremely counterintuitive, i'd be willing to bet there are NO serious prog groups that do not use ACT and/or ff logs. that does not include random commenters static that killed the savage 4 months after it came out, i said serious prog groups lol
"It's rare other players will notice your rotation or whether you're playing your job optimally" I am that rare person that watches Black Mages like a hawk. It's weirdly one of my favorite things to do because it's easy to spot and is, in my experience, the most often poorly played job. Too often I see people in level 80 dungeons that still don't understand a proper Black Mage rotation. And I don't mean a simply sub-optimal rotation, but complete lack of understanding of the Umbral Ice and Astral Fire mechanic. Obviously I try to help them out, but it seems the higher level they are the less likely they are to listen or even respond.
exactly, it's very ez to see BLM they don't do the correct rotation or even use the skill properly. I have ptsd when I see the BLM with Fire III procs just standing by and keep casting Fire lmao.
I’m the exact same way with RDM! You’d be surprised how many will just long cast scatter into scatter for trash pulls and it just… it hurts me to see it.
BLM was the first job I got at 80 ngl but I have been trying to find a optimal rotation online but can't find a solid one. Honest question: Do any of you in this comment thread have one or any tips to BLM for rotation or mechs I might not know about on BLM?
Glad to know that I've been slide casting correctly as Scholar, and it wasn't some very specific trick that I had only barely touched. I heard the term a lot but never knew whether it was what I had been doing or not.
"is generally considered to be the most straightforward job to play" Dont mistake that for "easy" though. I tanked and dpsed quite a bit and tank is veeeeery easy in comparison. Tanks do the same (or sometimes even less) mechanics than dps, dont get punished that hard for every mistake (not every misstep kills a tank, a dps on the other hand...) and have a way easier rotation than most dps jobs. dps feels way harder to play than tank. Its just less resposibility, if you die, usually just you die. If you die as a tank, the raid might die.
Little thing that some people seems to forget (maybe it's just the people I play with idk). Every melee dps have access to "Arm's length", which slows enemies that hit you by 20% when under the effect and nullifies knockback and draw-in effects. I know this because it helped me a lot not getting thrown off platforms during some Trials or even in normal dungeons.
9:34 Slide casting time is 500 ms or 0.5 second before the cast goes off, excluding latency. So, if you have 100ms latency, you can do slide casting at the last 0.6 second of a cast time. You can even use a slide cast on summoning a Chocobo or Teleport.
I didn't know there was a name for it in ff14. I've played wow so long that I'm used to casts still succeeding even if you move just before they fire. Mounts, too. It's really noticeable on the chocobo, which makes me think I could even be pushing it a bit more on my blm casts. I'll have to try it. :)
As a new player this has been the most helpful guide I've ever found. Not only do you break down basics of DPS but you also make sure to mention useful information and expectations of your role in groups not just "hit the thing"
I measure my DPS proficiency by 1 not dying and 2 watching my rotations for drops. if i stay alive and don't drop rotations generally my DPS is at least good enough for 90% of the content. anything above that is generally micro managing your rotations and learning every mechanic to individual fights. there is obviously more nuance to gettin good but experience is king. if your a shit DPS today keep trying to improve and someday you might not be shit :D
You can compare your general dps vs other players by looking at the emnity bars. It won't give a "you did 4k more dps than that other one dude", but it will give you a general notion. Like, when I go monk and my emnity is higher than the sam, it gives me a general idea that I do more dmg ;)
Easy fix: 1. Pick up new class/job. 2. Watch Wesk Alber’s 1-80 leveling skills guide for that class/job. 3. All set, you now know your job’s play style, its skills and starter rotations per expansion. Endgame? Try The Balance discord. Doing this too soon will be overwhelming and not really help the average player doing progression. Its best for squeezing the most juice after you’ve already become comfortable with a job.
Yes, WeskAlber's videos are great! Super detailed and comprehensive. Also agreed on not jumping into The Balance too early. Around level 60+ is when I'd take a look to get started on openers and rotations, a lot of the info is kind of useless in the early leveling process.
As someone who's trying to learn how to play every job to figure out which ones I truly enjoy, I extremely appreciate this video. DPS has been the most daunting for me to get into, especially NIN, MNK, BLM, and SMN. Thanks to a few things you pointed out in this video, especially the slide casting (I had no idea about that), I'm feeling a little more confident in trying to learn these jobs
Definitely keep at it with BLM. They're neck and neck with SAM on boss damage, but *no job* is ever gonna touch their AoE output. You ain't seen nothing until you've seen a 70+ BLM RIPPING through mobs. It's breathtaking 😍❄🧙🏽♀️🔥⚡
@@daviewaviee6079 My lv80 BLM rotation. Get into astral fire. Triplecast, Flare, Flare, manafont, Flare, Lv1 HQ ether that acts as second manafont, swiftcast, FLLLAAAAAAAAAARE. Use Foul instead of Flare if you have a stack of it. Ley lines? nah everything's already dead. lol I have leveled every class to 80 but it's that BLM rotation that got me addicted to that job and is my main DPS as of shadowbringers. Such devastation, this WAS my intention. *Laughs in BLM* THE GLORIOUS FIRE!
@@noodycup514 the absolute *chef's kiss* is getting to a mob at around 10 seconds on your polyglot timer with 2 glots in the chamber (easy to do if there's lots of down time between the previous boss and the next mob like in Matoya's Relict) ... triplecast, FOUL FOUL FOUL 😙🤌🏽
there are very very very good and in depth guides for those jobs if you google The Balance discord and or akhmorning website, like ultra ultra in depth guides lol
Only thing I want to add to this is limit break is pretty situational in light party content. If you only have ranged/magical dps in the party save it for trash packs. If you don't have it for the boss or the boss is under 5% hp when you get it save it for trash packs if you have one ranged/magical or the next boss if you only have melee. Don't bother saving a level 1 limit break til you get to the final boss and can upgrade to a level 2, it's a waste of a limit break. You want to use it as soon as feasible. If you have a ranged/magical dps then a large trash pull is the best place but only if you don't have to save it for too long. And if you have melee only but get it with less than 5% health on the first boss of the dungeon, then save it and open the second boss with it instead. And if you have 2 ranged/magical then trash packs are the best place even if you have to wait on it through a boss fight.
It seems too incredibly complicated and demanding for me to cope with, honestly; the thought of missing a button press ruining the run for everyone is too much pressure. I might just never do endgame raiding.
The key point is practice. The more you do the rotation, the easier it'll become. Best place to start is with trying to get the major beats of the rotation down and then slowly working on the trickier parts over time.
Hey man, raid anxiety is real. But know that in all my raid experience, it's rare that a DPS messing up their rotation ends up being the cause for a wipe. Damage as a whole is a shared responsibility among the whole party, and you get better as your practice. Join prog groups that have the expectations of everyone being new and you'll build the confidence needed. No one's gonna be like "zomg Corrodias sucks never raid again" - just focus on learning mechanics and your rotation, and you'll get there :)
@@AlZahard I appreciate the encouragement. I think one factor that's really not helping is that I am only just at the end of Heavensward and have multiple classes at level 80, so I can *see* all of the skills from Stormblood and Shadowbringers that further complicate the rotations but can't practice with them yet. By the time I actually reach content where it "matters", I'll be able to practice, and maybe it won't feel like such a big deal, then. Heck, for red mage, it doesn't get much complexity at all added beyond what I can use right now and am already pretty confident with.
"UMMMMMMMM, SWEATY?! YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB. UNLIKE YOU ELITIST I ACTUALLY HAVE FUN PLAYING" *Proceeds to press twin snakes five times in a row in AoE for maximum fun value*
Me a sprout, playing a healer: See's 90% of Ninja's use Doton on bosses. Me eventually playing Ninja: uses Doton on single targets. Me watching a Ninja guide: in the first 30s of the video "If you're using Doton on single targets, you're losing DPS." Me: Wtf why hasn't anyone told me this yet?
@@Deadsnake989 Then you become super optimal and realise a pre-pull doton is a dps up ;) But yeah never use it during fights, idk if you can use it on reopeners during encounters or not though ^^
@@lukarse5552 Correct, you use Doton in pepull because you lose nothing for doing so. You do NOT use it again in burst phase because it is a dps loss if the boss moves at all. In burst phase you use Suiton to allow another trick attack, then you use Raiton which is the same potency as Doton, but doesn't require the target to sit still for 24s to deal said potency.
So if 8:29 shows the final numbers from Ilya's testing then Positionals only really matter to MNKs since they lose about 15% DPS and the others only really matter in Savage/Ultimate since they only lose about 3% or less.
It's worth checking out Ilya's thoughts on it. He did the testing in a controlled environment, and actual raiding situations will often force you into a position where you'll lose DPS regardless since you're a melee so you might as well greed for the positional since you won't gain another GCD if you skip it.
That isnt entirely correct, I think Ilya may have also pointed this out in his video, but losing positionals on SAM is a big potency loss in an actual fight since you are losing Kenki and therefore losing Shintens, Kaitens, and maybe even a Senei, over the course of the fight. And SAM being one of those classes where optimization of small things like kenki is very important to be good. MNK tho the main reason it loses a lot of dps is because you NEED to get the back positional to get a bootshine crit, it is big portion of their dps.
Most of the time I feel pretty confident about my damage but I still feel scared to use a DPS checker. I don't want to see myself doing utterly crap damage and feel discouraged away from DPSing.
As I'm still leveling and don't have cracked out gear, I just tell myself hey as long as it's mechanically correct, with better gear the numbers will come
huh even veteran players can learn some stuff from this great job! did not know LB didn't benefit from dmg buffs.... feelsbadman i used LB in squadrons during buffs lvling up so many times lol
I know people might not think Stone, Sky, Sea is worth doing; however if youre on PS4 it still is a good way to check your dps since you cant use ACT. Its might take an extra step but basically you Fight the dummy for whatever fight you're doing or want to do, then you fight the dummy, if you can't kill it well your dps isnt good enough, if you do kill it, then you plug the time remaining from when you killed it into a Stone, Sky, Sea calculator (Azizarar). It actually gives a fairly accurate representation of your dps. For example, Lets say I pick e12s, fight the dummy as a SMN, kill it at 29 seconds remaining then plug that into the calculator and it'd tell me my dps was 22,405, what ACT will tell me is that my DPS is a 22,399.5. So not really too far off. If you really want to get your true DPS you can take the number you get and multiply it by 1.05, which is the 5% party bonus. its what I used on PS4 until I switched to PC
Not showing DPS to avoid unbalanced drama I get that. But there should be a way to Satisfy well-performing DPS. Such as giving Trophy to most DPS done, Most heal done or Most dmg Recieve.
One extra thing about limit break - it's not affected by buffs *or* debuffs, including Weakness. So priority should go to any dps players with Weakness.
And another one, LB3 may be long enough to break your combo if you have bad timing (8s or so of anim lock) so you want to avoid using it in the middle of it if it's feasible for extra safety, especially say as a melee with a long combo like drg.
I don’t agree that FFXIV should have built-in ACT. I agree with YoshiP that it would be at the root of bullying. I think their “rule but don’t enforce” approach is ideal. People can parse if they want to, and won’t get in trouble unless they’re being a jerk about it. And the fact that it’s technically against TOS means that people will be naturally reluctant to bully others based on their DPS
Yeah you’re right. People can parse just don’t start being an asshole calling out strangers for it. It’s one thing if you’re with your friends or a group of static party members. It’s another thing when you don’t know the other person and the only encounter you have with them is that one dungeon/raid/trial.
Love your guides cause they're so straight to the point and understandable lol. Think you could do anything for specific jobs? Especially BLM/SMN/RDM as they seem the most confusing to me, tanks atleast have an easy 1-2-3
@@AlZahard Yes yes, exactly! What I tried to say is that I met a lot of people who diss RDM for some reason. Also I read online many people think that RDM is the lowest dps while RDM is very strong and fun to play ^^
@@bophadesknutz7798 I have met pretty good RDM players that are full 530 and they do around 21-23k so I don't know what you mean by 20k is nothing. I mean if you have a great dance partner,then you can pull more off.
So just one point missed the game does have a meter of sorts to tell you if you’re doing good dmg which is the stone sky sea/the lawn. This has a timer and hp that directly correlate to a high end boss encounter. It’s essentially on a 2 min enrage timer except you don’t die. This is still a far cry from a proper meter but if you don’t feel like breaking tos this is a viable in game “measure” of your dps.
I gotta disagree. The Stone, Sky, Sea dummies (+ Circles / Lawns) fail as a DPS gauge for a bunch of reasons. You don't have to do any fight mechanics so your entire DPS output is purely theoretical, especially for healers and tanks. It doesn't even give you a performance indicator beyond killing it within 3 minutes - you even need to manually note your clear time for it to measure for any improvement. It's fine as a test of whether someone is theoretically capable of doing enough damage over 3 minutes, but it doesn't even tell us how much %HP of the boss' health its simulating, making it useless for premade groups.
YES! 100% THIS! The real secret to decent DPS? Avoid the mechanics. Faceplanting = 0 DPS. BLM needs to adjust, not the healer(s). RDM is there for some damage and a ton of bacon saving (SMN more damage, also bacon saving). If there is a melee DPS let them use the LB. No Melee? Let ranged physical DPS use that instead. Caster LB is the LAST RESORT for a single boss, but fine for boss+adds. Do your rotation properly, or even improperly if avoiding mechanics wrecks your roll. Do your best, it will work out as long as others are doing the same. Also RDM rotation is not only one of the simplest in the game, it's also got some great OGCDs -- if you are not using Fleche and Contre Sixte you are doing it wrong. The melee combo once you get 80/80 on your gauge is more finesse because you have to get in close and personal, but you also have Displacement to get away... or fly off the edge. There's no random to it, it's just a matter of deciding single-target vs. AoE, and not vaulting off the combat arena to your doom with scary Displacement.
can i ask why caster LB should be the last resort for a single boss?, from what i've seen it should be the opposite since caster LB deal slight more damage than the ranged one as stated in gamerescape and akhmorning site (caster LB should be around 60% damage of melee LB, and ranged LB should be 90% damage of caster LB)
@@AkaloLoSqualo I dunno, folks always whine at me when I drop a Caster LB. Maybe they haven't checked out those sites? :D Anyways, if it's that close, I suppose it doesn't really matter which of Ranged Physical or Caster gets used, as long as we don't keep a Melee LB from happening.
The only important piece of information i would add, would be the Utility skills Melee get a Stun Ranged get an Interrupt And some casters get a Heal or Res Specially in low level content, the interruptable casting bars (the flashing ones) and bosses that can be stunned are very common, i feel like its a neglected aspect of DPS, and i find curious how every tips tricks and sprout advice guide also dont mention them
“But my melee phase” oooof I felt that. I have literally Corps a Corp right into a tank buster before (it was by accident)...it was...painful to say the least.
Some lessons need to be learned the hard way... but playing RDM and knowing that if you delay your melee phase you might miss a use of verholy + scorch... it hurts :(
Yes, it is quite frustrating watching a BLM try to finish their cast while standing in an AoE. Only for it to not go off and lose 75% of their hp then die to the DoTs that were on them also.
You can ingame get dummies of different raid bosses to try out your damage to see if you meet the dps check or not. Don't need a 3rd party program to know it.
Yeah, it definitely would and the console players would definitely be up in arms about it. It's why I'd advocate for a in-game DPS meter individual to each character - it doesn't have to show everyone else's performance, but just being able to measure your own would be huge.
This guide took me from zero to hero. Thank you! How did you get the LB rank part of the video though? Is there a testing ground or something that fills your LB?
Yep! In your duty finder options, you can enable Explorer Mode, which allows you to enter a bunch of the Stormblood and all of the Shadowbringer dungeons to explore them without mobs. You can ride your mounts, teleport to the shortcuts, place a target dummy and use any of the Limitbreaks as often as you'd like.
I've been wanting to get a parser just because I want to see how much damage I do. Also because I think it would be cool if I did more dmg than other party members.
yes, but in savage content meeles usually have assigned positions to towards the back-diagonals for stuff like targeted cleaves on everyone, so it's generally better if you try to keep towards the back as meele (also some Tankbusters can be quite big cleaves/AoEs that might hit you if you go too much towards the front)
There's a "sweet spot" that allows you to hit rear/flank positionals with minimal movement, right at the line between the two (where the 270° circle around the enemy ends on each flank). That's where melee thrive
Small nitpick, but in the ranged phys mitigation portion where you show the troubadour, shield samba, and tactician icons, that icon is not the current tactician icon. It's the old tactician (which both bard and machinist had) that was an aoe TP regen. It could be confusing to new players (especially those that would want tips on how to get better) to see that and not find it in their action list lol. Also something important that I see a lot of people not do in the game is actually using LB. Yes it's big and flashy and takes time to charge, but it should be treated as any other cooldown and be actually used. There's no point in holding LB until the very end of an encounter if you've been sitting on LB2 or LB3 for an extended period of time especially in dungeons where good usage of ranged or caster LB can make trash packs melt significantly faster.
Ah, I yoinked the wrong icon then. Didn't even realize, my bad. I actually have a bilingual macro (EN/JP) with a notification to get DPS to use limit break ^^
@@robsusername1042 sure you can. like minded people tend to flock together and ffxiv rewards team play while pretty much punishing solo play in most it's content anyways. just need to find people that run it and run content with them. they can tell you your information.
as a healer, good dps really stand out. as a sprout, the rotations for dps is so linear. it's so much easier to concentrate on the fight and the health bars as a healer than playing a dps class you havent committed the rotation to muscle memory.
"I won't get too deep into magic and melee, otherwise I would have another 18 minute video on my hands." Has a 17 minute video 😅 Great video btw, I like your content
Thanks, I looked for a comment that mentioned this! :D It's quite easy to do: Look at the circle around your target. The open space on the backside counts as behind. So skills that require hitting from behind should be executed in this space. If you need to hit from the side for your attack then go around the enemy until you leave this open spot. Then you are on the side. Or even easier: Imagine a compass on your target. The arrow in front is north and in the middle of the open spot aon the backside is south. Skills with more damage from behind always in the south and skills for the flanks alsways from west or east. And never ever stand in the north, except you are the tank or are alome in the overworld questing XD
Hmm, I've been getting this question a lot so I'll do a video on it soon. But primarily: my party list is moved closer to the center as I've been healing a lot. I move it out to the edge (and make it smaller) when I tank or DPS. I have 3 primary hotbars for spells (reduced in size and moved closer together). I have a hotbar next to my party list, with a macro aligned to each party member's icon that allows me to cast Rescue on click in case I need to pull someone towards me. On the left side of the screen, above the hotbars, I have my own info: health, cast bar, buffs and debuffs. Debuffs are scaled to like 120% because they're important to see. On the right side above my hotbars, I have the target's information. The targets buffs and debuffs are above their health bar, and if I had the option I'd separate the two but SE doesn't let you do that. Above the target's buffs I have their cast bar scaled to 200%, mainly because healers often react based on what's being cast. The rest around the sides is just the usual hotbars for mounts, consumables, macros and menu items. My objective was to move as much of the information into the bottom third of my screen to free up more screen space so I can actually see the fight mechanics. Also, I have my 3rd Person Camera Angle (found in Character settings) set to roughly 40-50. This also allows me to see more of the battlefield.
The secret is to stay under him at all times from what I know, since he'll always yoink you in. You see me get pulled by him in the video, and I positioned so he wouldn't drag me into the AOEs. If you see him make purple and green orbs, you want to stand on top of the purple one as it'll be a big donut.
There are 3 of them: (Stone, Sky, Sea), The Circles of Answering and The Lawns. The one I'm in is The Lawns, which is accessed by talking to the Soft-faced Bloke in Kholusia, right outside Eulmore.
I am totally new, Black Mage, I thought I was doing pretty well... but at 50 downloaded "Advanced Combat Tracker" (just before the final couple of dungeons of "A Realm Reboard"... Oh boy, that was a shock, coming last or near last for DPS in virtually every raid! I even had white mages beating me, wtf! I guess they were pro... still its something to help and will be fun to try and improve and get to the top.
If it was in the last two dungeons of ARR, it likely wasnt your fault! People like to run Castrum and Praetorium even at high levels because they dole out 200 Allagan Tomestones of Poetics per clear: 300 with a new player on board. You were likely contending with iLevel 500+ geared players.
Nope! In fact, no buffs/debuffs affect LB damage, so it's recommended that the DPS player with Brink of Death (or Weakness) should use LB over the other players.
I agree but also disagree that dps is the job with the least difficulties attached to it. If you are only going to do normal content, then yes. But if you are looking to dish out the most damage possible, and clear all savage and ultimates, then dps is way harder to play than tank (exept physical range). The "extra responsabilities" you have as a tank is really nothing, and i can't go back to gunbreaker after really trying to do the best i could on dps. Way less forgiving, harder to perform well, and you don't have less responsabilities than a healer or a tank in proper high level content. I do belive that normal content should have more mechanics tied to dps, and more dps chacks that really matters, because the jumps between normal and even extrême is brutal.
It's funny, I had comments almost exactly like this but from the healer/tank perspective on my other videos. At the end of the day it comes down to what jobs you're most comfortable on and what you play the most. In ultimate raids, all jobs have high measures of difficulty attached to them. Most triple legends I know will tell you that DPS is the easiest for Ultimate, unless they're tanks, then they'll tell you healing is easier. The jump from normal -> extreme -> savage is huge indeed. I do agree that normal content needs to be harder across the board, especially dungeons.
@@AlZahard I should have made more clear it was a personal opinion, reading my comment back, it's not conveying well what i tried to say properly : I find that more often than not, you will find people that haven't tried anything harder than normal, tell you dps is easier because you don't have to do anything to care but yourself and have no responsabilites. But when you are engaging in the real hard content you know that to be completely wrong, because normal content don't give enough room for dps players to really matter, and i found it's a shame. and what i meant by "harder to play" "harder to perform well" was more related to strictly execution of the rotation and doing damage, not the execution of the fight and other thing you have to worry as a tank. Because you would be completely right to say that there is no such thing as an easy job in high level, and that it comes down to personal preference and affinity. the "extra responsabilites are nothing" i said, came across wrong. I ment that it's not that big of a deal some ppl makes it to be, and is more of a contraint (like casting, positionals, adjusting to damage variance/avoidable damage not avoided, and animation locks) that you have to play around, that you don't have more to do, or that it matters more.
Making the normal content this hard might just sap the fun out of it for scrubs like me who haven't perfected doing the turbo macarena in the middle of a hailstorm.
@@Corrodias I'm not asking for a big jump in difficulty, but more for the fights (mostly in dungeon) to have more mechanics that involve more responsabilitie on the dps, and more mechanics that the healers and tank can't handle without the dps
I main WHT, I literally have 3-4 damage buttons. Lol But yeah, first time I started to actually research how to do more damage I was surprised at how much I could optimize.
Oh thank god there is a DPS meter! I'm a WoW player trying FF for free, and even Im still low level (42) I want to see my damage growing and I want to train rotation on dummies. Thank you! Well, I mean, What? DPS addon? What are you talking about, I never heard that before...
Tip for BLM ❄🧙🏽♀️🔥 players: USE YOUR AETHERIAL MANIPULATION AND BETWEEN THE LINES (weaving them in between instant GCDs if possible). In boss fights and even dungeons with aoes, you can stand somewhere far-ish from a better-positioned teammate and it'll add up in saving dps ordinarily lost via movement, when you've gotta haul a** away from the big ugly orange/blue. I see a lot of BLMs *running* away from aoes and missing a whole (hardcast) GCD or more. Honey, you're magical. ✨ You can zoom zoom.
Seems like picking Dragoon was the right choice, i just go in and beat stuff up to death without worrying too much, i'll try out Dark knight next tho cuz wielding a big black great sword is way cooler than a dump skinny lance
just spent an hour in ramuh extreme all 4 dps where sprouts all 4 where dead b4 add phase every pull and at one point a dps saw i was picking up orbs so they though they should too so then there wasn't enough for the buff to survive the tankbuster (i feel it a wow refugee thing they are too used to the toxic wow playerbase that if your party finds out you are new or don't know a fight you just get kicked from the party cus it was about 30 min b4 any of em even spoke up about not understanding what to do) resounding facepalms from the 3 non sprouts who started the fight with a message in chat of "do any of you not know what to do or need help understanding something" that was met with silence......
Hi! great video. One place I found good to practice slide casting on casters is PoTD when soloing. Nobody else is around and you can control the pulls and use sides of room and hallways to practice when you kite a mob. My target dummy is a little cramped in my yard so I went to PoTD to practice. Or HoH. Personally, I don't mind SE's "don't ask don't tell" policy, it doesn't make me mad (although I feel bad for controller players yes.) For me playing without a meter feels like I am playing blind especially in a new MMO. That is just because of old habits. Not being able to talk about it in public gave me the freedom to learn to read logs to improve myself not just throw numbers around in some verbal shouting match. I upload the logs but I keep them private unless I am in a group where logging is taken for granted. lol at Desperius. Also great tip below that SE cannot tell if you are using a meter or not so no need to out yourself on this.
I practiced slidecasting on every boss fight as a healer because it wouldn't break any rotations or combos if I messed up - it simulates the raiding environment a bit better since there are more mechanics to dodge with it. I agree with feeling blind without a DPS meter, which seems to be standard in most other MMOs. I like having performance indicators I can use to improve, and the game just doesn't have many. SE can't tell if you're parsing because ACT just reads your local network data and doesn't interface with the game in any other way, so the deny-deny-deny strategy is good for sure.
I've been seeing epidemics of terrible Black Mages lately. Not knowing how to side cast as BLM really hurts the DPS. I see majority of BLM would prioritize movement or even stop midcast to panicky move around the area.
Oh don't worry the average dps player in PF parses below average anyway and you always get 1 or 2 ppl that carry dps, if you even have the slightest shred of motivation to actually get better by practicing a ton your rotation on a dummy and watching guides enough to understand mechanics you'll be on top most of the time (in PF). Even then, you'll play like shit at first, fail, wipe, some ppl may get salty and leave but that's on them, not on you. This game is not difficult (you can be a triple legend with grey parses everywhere, you still cleared) and if you bash your head against a fight for long enough you'll clear it, it may just take a long time and it's okay, it's a GAME, at worst you'll what, get kicked out of PF and blacklist a few ppl? Big deal. Although realistically we're so overgeared now dps checks barely exist anymore. Also to answer your other question the graph is indeed wrong, it's all 90°'s.
lil secret: S-Enix has no real way of tracking if you used a parser so if you get dragged into the GM jail (14:50), just deny everything and you will be good. Admitting that you actually used a parser will be much more detrimental (let's keep this between ourselves)
that's why a lot of players either play it safe and just don't use them, or if they do, advise you never to say anything in game directly (technically this goes the same for visual mods) as if you do, SE has chat logs as proof.
What if you stream? Is lt like details we use for WOW where you see it on screen?
Big brain
@@achilles_odysseyMusic Depends if you want it to be shown or not, honestly. There's ways to get it to show up, and ways to avoid having it show up.
I remember when I learned of parsers and asked my friends they all denied it in game. But on discord… heh
Edit: Jesus Fucking Christ. Some people don’t like using parsers, other people like using parsers. As long as you’re not toxic it doesn’t matter. Parsers only add to the experience. It’s like, some people like coffee straight, others like coffee with milk. When coffee was created I doubt it was intended to be drank with milk. But milk adds to the experience, and people like it.
So relax! Parsers are a good thing to have. You’re the one being toxic by pushing your ideology onto me.
As a Healer, the "don't die" section is very much appreciated. I have a new found hate for samurais as they just seem to stand in every AoE imaginable.
They don’t have time to dodge, they’ll lose dps uptime.
@@micaheiber1419 yeah i was just joking, the comment just made me think of a WoW machinima where all the dps’s are just hungry for damage meter stuff
Those are horrible samurai... we do have a jump back skill and a charge skill.
Dodging aoe as a samurai is fun.
Those samurai are bad.
Black mage*
ThirdEye procs!
Another REAL important things for people to PLEASE do for their job...
Please practice your Opener and rotation on a Training Dummy for a LONG period of time. A Extreme/Savage fights last a good 10 minutes when you first go into it, meaning you'll be repeating your rotation hundreds of time, and repeating your Burst phase (Similar to opener, with some tweaks) a good 5 to 8 times (Depending on your job) through out the fight. As much as learning and memorizing your Opener is important, hitting a training dummy a good 5 to 6 minutes straight to beat that rotation into your head naturally, knowing when your CD's come back and what lines up with up is very important to learning how not only to fully optimize, but to also be flexible with your rotation in almost any fight.
Too many I know practice ONLY the opener, and tries to do extreme or early savage and soon mess up their rotation after the first 2 big mechanics, and rage that they don't know how to optimize/alter their rotation efficiently to pull off more damage. These people simply blindly follow a guide for openers, think they're doing amazing damage but fail realizing that its only for the first 30 seconds at eh START of the fight. By learning your opener, and then practicing your opener AND your rotation for long duration, you'll soon learn some jobs does very different things through out an entire Savage fight.
So please, if you want to really learn how to do high DPS and optimize yourself to any fight, hit a training dummy for a long duration to muscle-memory your rotation.
I'm from latin america, 90% of my casts are slide castings haha
Grande 👏🏻
Igual
gaucho fron cristal Here, i invented the slide cast before knowing it was an actual mechanic... i mean, if i am going to slide either way, better cast while i'm at it.
Same but from South Africa
HEY, AS A DANCER MAIN I TAKE THAT PERSONALLY.
... but you're probably right.
I’ve only ever played SAM and MNK as my dps classes. Recently picked up Dancer and… yeah he’s right lmao. It’s honestly a much more enjoyable experience imo but it’s definitely a hell of a lot more simple
@@TheNairnsHair DNC is the ezmodo. I use it for blind prog on new content, or when I feel just feel like doing max utility for whatever reason.
DPS players have the lowest skill floor...
but the highest skill ceiling.
True!
Just wanted to say I’m a sprout who recently went through all your videos. Extremely helpful, well thought out, well edited, and some nice humor to boot. I even watched your dps and tank videos despite not playing those classes and I definitely learned some things. Appreciate the work you put into em and if you ever make more I’ll be there to watch!
Thank you, that means a lot
Not meeting DPS checks or things dying slowly is indeed a sign that DPS players aren't doing well.
However, it's worth noting that it could also means tanks and healers aren't doing well either.
It's everyones job to DPS, DPS players are just better equipped to deal damage.
For sure. A lot of my static's raid progression revolved around our tanks and healers dealing more damage - and it's that kind of insight you don't get unless you use a parser.
@@AlZahard I think the game should have a built in parser that shows you only your own damage stats. And nothing more.
The game really needs more ways for people to tell if they're doing good or not, and more ways for people to learn what being good is like.
You can play 400 hours to complete the MSQ, and still be terrible because the MSQ only requires you to do the bare minimum to get past it.
@@JetEriksen Agreed! I'd love an individual DPS/HPS meter just so you know what kind of numbers you're putting through. Whether you share that with other should be up to you.
if things are dieing slowly its not because tanks and healers are chipping in their 9k dps at the extreme top end its because the dps players are doing 5k dps instead of 30k..... pretty massive and incomparable difference when 1 dps player fucking off makes more of a diff than 2 healers doing absolute bis #s lol with i suppose the exception of savage but thats not something you're generally gonna notice a kill speed diff on IMO thats something youll more notice the 2% at the end that werent gone or your entire party dieing from a dps check not being met
@@AlZahard for sure i don't understand why they build dps checks into the savage fights if they're gonna have this wishy-washy as fuck attitude it seems extremely counterintuitive, i'd be willing to bet there are NO serious prog groups that do not use ACT and/or ff logs. that does not include random commenters static that killed the savage 4 months after it came out, i said serious prog groups lol
"It's rare other players will notice your rotation or whether you're playing your job optimally"
I am that rare person that watches Black Mages like a hawk. It's weirdly one of my favorite things to do because it's easy to spot and is, in my experience, the most often poorly played job. Too often I see people in level 80 dungeons that still don't understand a proper Black Mage rotation. And I don't mean a simply sub-optimal rotation, but complete lack of understanding of the Umbral Ice and Astral Fire mechanic. Obviously I try to help them out, but it seems the higher level they are the less likely they are to listen or even respond.
exactly, it's very ez to see BLM they don't do the correct rotation or even use the skill properly.
I have ptsd when I see the BLM with Fire III procs just standing by and keep casting Fire lmao.
I’m the exact same way with RDM! You’d be surprised how many will just long cast scatter into scatter for trash pulls and it just… it hurts me to see it.
I dont know anyone that plays blm that doesnt watch other BLMs like a hawk. lol
@@nicx7785 this true lol
BLM was the first job I got at 80 ngl but I have been trying to find a optimal rotation online but can't find a solid one. Honest question: Do any of you in this comment thread have one or any tips to BLM for rotation or mechs I might not know about on BLM?
Glad to know that I've been slide casting correctly as Scholar, and it wasn't some very specific trick that I had only barely touched. I heard the term a lot but never knew whether it was what I had been doing or not.
"is generally considered to be the most straightforward job to play"
Dont mistake that for "easy" though. I tanked and dpsed quite a bit and tank is veeeeery easy in comparison. Tanks do the same (or sometimes even less) mechanics than dps, dont get punished that hard for every mistake (not every misstep kills a tank, a dps on the other hand...) and have a way easier rotation than most dps jobs. dps feels way harder to play than tank. Its just less resposibility, if you die, usually just you die. If you die as a tank, the raid might die.
Little thing that some people seems to forget (maybe it's just the people I play with idk).
Every melee dps have access to "Arm's length", which slows enemies that hit you by 20% when under the effect and nullifies knockback and draw-in effects. I know this because it helped me a lot not getting thrown off platforms during some Trials or even in normal dungeons.
9:34 Slide casting time is 500 ms or 0.5 second before the cast goes off, excluding latency. So, if you have 100ms latency, you can do slide casting at the last 0.6 second of a cast time. You can even use a slide cast on summoning a Chocobo or Teleport.
True. Slidecasting your mount was meta in the diadem during the restoration competition
I didn't know there was a name for it in ff14. I've played wow so long that I'm used to casts still succeeding even if you move just before they fire. Mounts, too. It's really noticeable on the chocobo, which makes me think I could even be pushing it a bit more on my blm casts. I'll have to try it. :)
..why would you slidecast a teleport
As a new player this has been the most helpful guide I've ever found. Not only do you break down basics of DPS but you also make sure to mention useful information and expectations of your role in groups not just "hit the thing"
I measure my DPS proficiency by 1 not dying and 2 watching my rotations for drops. if i stay alive and don't drop rotations generally my DPS is at least good enough for 90% of the content. anything above that is generally micro managing your rotations and learning every mechanic to individual fights. there is obviously more nuance to gettin good but experience is king. if your a shit DPS today keep trying to improve and someday you might not be shit :D
You can compare your general dps vs other players by looking at the emnity bars. It won't give a "you did 4k more dps than that other one dude", but it will give you a general notion.
Like, when I go monk and my emnity is higher than the sam, it gives me a general idea that I do more dmg ;)
Easy fix:
1. Pick up new class/job.
2. Watch Wesk Alber’s 1-80 leveling skills guide for that class/job.
3. All set, you now know your job’s play style, its skills and starter rotations per expansion.
Endgame? Try The Balance discord. Doing this too soon will be overwhelming and not really help the average player doing progression. Its best for squeezing the most juice after you’ve already become comfortable with a job.
Yes, WeskAlber's videos are great! Super detailed and comprehensive.
Also agreed on not jumping into The Balance too early. Around level 60+ is when I'd take a look to get started on openers and rotations, a lot of the info is kind of useless in the early leveling process.
As someone who's trying to learn how to play every job to figure out which ones I truly enjoy, I extremely appreciate this video. DPS has been the most daunting for me to get into, especially NIN, MNK, BLM, and SMN. Thanks to a few things you pointed out in this video, especially the slide casting (I had no idea about that), I'm feeling a little more confident in trying to learn these jobs
Definitely keep at it with BLM. They're neck and neck with SAM on boss damage, but *no job* is ever gonna touch their AoE output. You ain't seen nothing until you've seen a 70+ BLM RIPPING through mobs. It's breathtaking 😍❄🧙🏽♀️🔥⚡
I believe in you!
@@daviewaviee6079 My lv80 BLM rotation. Get into astral fire. Triplecast, Flare, Flare, manafont, Flare, Lv1 HQ ether that acts as second manafont, swiftcast, FLLLAAAAAAAAAARE. Use Foul instead of Flare if you have a stack of it. Ley lines? nah everything's already dead. lol
I have leveled every class to 80 but it's that BLM rotation that got me addicted to that job and is my main DPS as of shadowbringers. Such devastation, this WAS my intention. *Laughs in BLM* THE GLORIOUS FIRE!
@@noodycup514 the absolute *chef's kiss* is getting to a mob at around 10 seconds on your polyglot timer with 2 glots in the chamber (easy to do if there's lots of down time between the previous boss and the next mob like in Matoya's Relict) ... triplecast, FOUL FOUL FOUL 😙🤌🏽
there are very very very good and in depth guides for those jobs if you google The Balance discord and or akhmorning website, like ultra ultra in depth guides lol
Only thing I want to add to this is limit break is pretty situational in light party content. If you only have ranged/magical dps in the party save it for trash packs. If you don't have it for the boss or the boss is under 5% hp when you get it save it for trash packs if you have one ranged/magical or the next boss if you only have melee.
Don't bother saving a level 1 limit break til you get to the final boss and can upgrade to a level 2, it's a waste of a limit break. You want to use it as soon as feasible. If you have a ranged/magical dps then a large trash pull is the best place but only if you don't have to save it for too long. And if you have melee only but get it with less than 5% health on the first boss of the dungeon, then save it and open the second boss with it instead. And if you have 2 ranged/magical then trash packs are the best place even if you have to wait on it through a boss fight.
It seems too incredibly complicated and demanding for me to cope with, honestly; the thought of missing a button press ruining the run for everyone is too much pressure. I might just never do endgame raiding.
The key point is practice. The more you do the rotation, the easier it'll become. Best place to start is with trying to get the major beats of the rotation down and then slowly working on the trickier parts over time.
Hey man, raid anxiety is real. But know that in all my raid experience, it's rare that a DPS messing up their rotation ends up being the cause for a wipe. Damage as a whole is a shared responsibility among the whole party, and you get better as your practice. Join prog groups that have the expectations of everyone being new and you'll build the confidence needed. No one's gonna be like "zomg Corrodias sucks never raid again" - just focus on learning mechanics and your rotation, and you'll get there :)
@@AlZahard Yeah, you die to enrage because you die early on to mechanics most of the time.
@@AlZahard I appreciate the encouragement. I think one factor that's really not helping is that I am only just at the end of Heavensward and have multiple classes at level 80, so I can *see* all of the skills from Stormblood and Shadowbringers that further complicate the rotations but can't practice with them yet. By the time I actually reach content where it "matters", I'll be able to practice, and maybe it won't feel like such a big deal, then.
Heck, for red mage, it doesn't get much complexity at all added beyond what I can use right now and am already pretty confident with.
"UMMMMMMMM, SWEATY?! YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB. UNLIKE YOU ELITIST I ACTUALLY HAVE FUN PLAYING"
*Proceeds to press twin snakes five times in a row in AoE for maximum fun value*
ngl, i had to check what job uses twin snakes :p
@@AlZahard The Gridania job... _obviously_ !!!
Oh, wait, that's _Twin Adders_ -- sorrrryyyy
Me a sprout, playing a healer: See's 90% of Ninja's use Doton on bosses.
Me eventually playing Ninja: uses Doton on single targets.
Me watching a Ninja guide: in the first 30s of the video "If you're using Doton on single targets, you're losing DPS."
Me: Wtf why hasn't anyone told me this yet?
@@Deadsnake989 Then you become super optimal and realise a pre-pull doton is a dps up ;) But yeah never use it during fights, idk if you can use it on reopeners during encounters or not though ^^
@@lukarse5552 Correct, you use Doton in pepull because you lose nothing for doing so. You do NOT use it again in burst phase because it is a dps loss if the boss moves at all. In burst phase you use Suiton to allow another trick attack, then you use Raiton which is the same potency as Doton, but doesn't require the target to sit still for 24s to deal said potency.
Dont die:
Me. Dragoon main: but my cool jumping pokei pokei?? :(
So if 8:29 shows the final numbers from Ilya's testing then Positionals only really matter to MNKs since they lose about 15% DPS and the others only really matter in Savage/Ultimate since they only lose about 3% or less.
It's worth checking out Ilya's thoughts on it. He did the testing in a controlled environment, and actual raiding situations will often force you into a position where you'll lose DPS regardless since you're a melee so you might as well greed for the positional since you won't gain another GCD if you skip it.
That isnt entirely correct, I think Ilya may have also pointed this out in his video, but losing positionals on SAM is a big potency loss in an actual fight since you are losing Kenki and therefore losing Shintens, Kaitens, and maybe even a Senei, over the course of the fight. And SAM being one of those classes where optimization of small things like kenki is very important to be good. MNK tho the main reason it loses a lot of dps is because you NEED to get the back positional to get a bootshine crit, it is big portion of their dps.
Most of the time I feel pretty confident about my damage but I still feel scared to use a DPS checker.
I don't want to see myself doing utterly crap damage and feel discouraged away from DPSing.
As I'm still leveling and don't have cracked out gear, I just tell myself hey as long as it's mechanically correct, with better gear the numbers will come
Weave your ogcd's and already you'll be doing better than most, including veterans.
*PROPERLY weave your ogcd's
@@Merumya I agree :P
What amor do you wear at 9:46 ? I want that soooo bad!!!
That would be the Skallic Robe of Casting!
@@AlZahard Omg! Thank you for ur response
I love the Rotation stuff you have at the top of the screen. Is this a thing added in game or just something editted into the vid???
huh even veteran players can learn some stuff from this great job! did not know LB didn't benefit from dmg buffs.... feelsbadman i used LB in squadrons during buffs lvling up so many times lol
On the introduction part of the video, what weapon glam is that with what shader? It reminds me of the pvp weapon but not the same shader
I know people might not think Stone, Sky, Sea is worth doing; however if youre on PS4 it still is a good way to check your dps since you cant use ACT. Its might take an extra step but basically you Fight the dummy for whatever fight you're doing or want to do, then you fight the dummy, if you can't kill it well your dps isnt good enough, if you do kill it, then you plug the time remaining from when you killed it into a Stone, Sky, Sea calculator (Azizarar). It actually gives a fairly accurate representation of your dps. For example, Lets say I pick e12s, fight the dummy as a SMN, kill it at 29 seconds remaining then plug that into the calculator and it'd tell me my dps was 22,405, what ACT will tell me is that my DPS is a 22,399.5. So not really too far off. If you really want to get your true DPS you can take the number you get and multiply it by 1.05, which is the 5% party bonus.
its what I used on PS4 until I switched to PC
Hmm I didn't know about the calculator. I'll check it out, that might be a really valuable tool for my console friends. Thanks for the recommendation!
Not showing DPS to avoid unbalanced drama I get that. But there should be a way to Satisfy well-performing DPS. Such as giving Trophy to most DPS done, Most heal done or Most dmg Recieve.
D.P.S.
(you) Don't Pay my Sub
Blizzard 4 Fire 4 Blizzard 4 Fire 4 Blizzard 4 Fire 4
You cant even use blizzard 4 after fire 4
@@inarosthedad3565 he probably meant to say an alternation between fire3 and blizzard 3 ;>
One extra thing about limit break - it's not affected by buffs *or* debuffs, including Weakness. So priority should go to any dps players with Weakness.
And another one, LB3 may be long enough to break your combo if you have bad timing (8s or so of anim lock) so you want to avoid using it in the middle of it if it's feasible for extra safety, especially say as a melee with a long combo like drg.
Thanks for the guide, i understand the role a lil bit better now!
I don’t agree that FFXIV should have built-in ACT. I agree with YoshiP that it would be at the root of bullying.
I think their “rule but don’t enforce” approach is ideal. People can parse if they want to, and won’t get in trouble unless they’re being a jerk about it. And the fact that it’s technically against TOS means that people will be naturally reluctant to bully others based on their DPS
I don't think you can get ban for using ACT, but only when you trash talk someone who do grey parses
Yeah you’re right. People can parse just don’t start being an asshole calling out strangers for it. It’s one thing if you’re with your friends or a group of static party members. It’s another thing when you don’t know the other person and the only encounter you have with them is that one dungeon/raid/trial.
I just use it for seeing how trash i'm doing dmg, and know something is not right^^
@@jarredstewart9890 yeah I just be an asshole to them in private, *me msging my fc* “IM OUT ADPSING A FUCKING BLM ON AST WTF IS THIS SHIT”
Love your guides cause they're so straight to the point and understandable lol. Think you could do anything for specific jobs? Especially BLM/SMN/RDM as they seem the most confusing to me, tanks atleast have an easy 1-2-3
Imagine some people thinking RDM is one of the weakest DPS jobs, while some people pull at least 20k with it
RDM is so good. Cleanest DPS rotation of all of them IMO. Super fun to play and the DMG is huge. Plus that verraise is immense in progression!
@@AlZahard Yes yes, exactly! What I tried to say is that I met a lot of people who diss RDM for some reason. Also I read online many people think that RDM is the lowest dps while RDM is very strong and fun to play ^^
Doing 20k is nothing at these item levels, also RDM does more dps than SMN at peak performance. The people who say RDM is bad are just bad themselves.
@@bophadesknutz7798 I have met pretty good RDM players that are full 530 and they do around 21-23k so I don't know what you mean by 20k is nothing. I mean if you have a great dance partner,then you can pull more off.
@@Vallkayrie 20k is nothing with 530, your "good" RDM players shouldnt be doing anything less than 22k with 530.
So just one point missed the game does have a meter of sorts to tell you if you’re doing good dmg which is the stone sky sea/the lawn. This has a timer and hp that directly correlate to a high end boss encounter. It’s essentially on a 2 min enrage timer except you don’t die. This is still a far cry from a proper meter but if you don’t feel like breaking tos this is a viable in game “measure” of your dps.
I gotta disagree. The Stone, Sky, Sea dummies (+ Circles / Lawns) fail as a DPS gauge for a bunch of reasons. You don't have to do any fight mechanics so your entire DPS output is purely theoretical, especially for healers and tanks. It doesn't even give you a performance indicator beyond killing it within 3 minutes - you even need to manually note your clear time for it to measure for any improvement. It's fine as a test of whether someone is theoretically capable of doing enough damage over 3 minutes, but it doesn't even tell us how much %HP of the boss' health its simulating, making it useless for premade groups.
YES! 100% THIS! The real secret to decent DPS? Avoid the mechanics. Faceplanting = 0 DPS. BLM needs to adjust, not the healer(s). RDM is there for some damage and a ton of bacon saving (SMN more damage, also bacon saving). If there is a melee DPS let them use the LB. No Melee? Let ranged physical DPS use that instead. Caster LB is the LAST RESORT for a single boss, but fine for boss+adds.
Do your rotation properly, or even improperly if avoiding mechanics wrecks your roll. Do your best, it will work out as long as others are doing the same.
Also RDM rotation is not only one of the simplest in the game, it's also got some great OGCDs -- if you are not using Fleche and Contre Sixte you are doing it wrong. The melee combo once you get 80/80 on your gauge is more finesse because you have to get in close and personal, but you also have Displacement to get away... or fly off the edge. There's no random to it, it's just a matter of deciding single-target vs. AoE, and not vaulting off the combat arena to your doom with scary Displacement.
if i had to move as a blm, then the healer wouldnt have been given a grip.
can i ask why caster LB should be the last resort for a single boss?, from what i've seen it should be the opposite since caster LB deal slight more damage than the ranged one as stated in gamerescape and akhmorning site (caster LB should be around 60% damage of melee LB, and ranged LB should be 90% damage of caster LB)
"But muh Ley Lines!"
BLM has got two teleport spells, I may as well use them.
@@AkaloLoSqualo I dunno, folks always whine at me when I drop a Caster LB. Maybe they haven't checked out those sites? :D Anyways, if it's that close, I suppose it doesn't really matter which of Ranged Physical or Caster gets used, as long as we don't keep a Melee LB from happening.
The only important piece of information i would add, would be the Utility skills
Melee get a Stun
Ranged get an Interrupt
And some casters get a Heal or Res
Specially in low level content, the interruptable casting bars (the flashing ones) and bosses that can be stunned are very common, i feel like its a neglected aspect of DPS, and i find curious how every tips tricks and sprout advice guide also dont mention them
“But my melee phase” oooof I felt that. I have literally Corps a Corp right into a tank buster before (it was by accident)...it was...painful to say the least.
Some lessons need to be learned the hard way... but playing RDM and knowing that if you delay your melee phase you might miss a use of verholy + scorch... it hurts :(
I cried at MCH opener and slide casting. LOL
Gotta be relatable to my target audience :p
Engagement let's go! And as always, amazing guide!
What’s that on the top of your screen? With the skills flowing by
Thanks for the sprout tips. By any chance could you maybe show a UI guide or upload the files? Im realy liking how you set it up.
I can make a UI guide, it's been a requested a bunch :)
Yes, it is quite frustrating watching a BLM try to finish their cast while standing in an AoE. Only for it to not go off and lose 75% of their hp then die to the DoTs that were on them also.
Lol
Thanks I'm trying to get into the game and don't want to suck, so thank you again
You can ingame get dummies of different raid bosses to try out your damage to see if you meet the dps check or not. Don't need a 3rd party program to know it.
Doesn't account for the damage your party deals, unfortunately.
@@AlZahard That is true
This entire time i've been side casting to mount my Chocobo
I think console is the reason why mods are not allowed. It would give PC players a huge advantage.
Yeah, it definitely would and the console players would definitely be up in arms about it. It's why I'd advocate for a in-game DPS meter individual to each character - it doesn't have to show everyone else's performance, but just being able to measure your own would be huge.
That sounds very likely as a reason.
This guide took me from zero to hero. Thank you! How did you get the LB rank part of the video though? Is there a testing ground or something that fills your LB?
Yep! In your duty finder options, you can enable Explorer Mode, which allows you to enter a bunch of the Stormblood and all of the Shadowbringer dungeons to explore them without mobs. You can ride your mounts, teleport to the shortcuts, place a target dummy and use any of the Limitbreaks as often as you'd like.
@@AlZahard AWESOME! Thanks!
Cool video! What's the glamour on your Machinist's weapon in the intro?
That's the Deepshadow Pistol, tradable for 140 nuts in Eulmore/Crystarium :)
what weapon are you using at the start of your video? that machinist weapon looks really cool
That's the Deepshadow Pistol, obtainable for 140 nuts at the Nutsy vendors in the ShB cities :)
I've been wanting to get a parser just because I want to see how much damage I do. Also because I think it would be cool if I did more dmg than other party members.
as a tank. if you get targeted please run towards me instead of away from me.
That sucks trying to run down a mob so you can voke.
What's the glam for your summoner at 5:24? Its pretty sicc
Scarf of Wondrous Wit, Skallic Coat of Casting, Rakshasa Tekko of Casting, 2B Leggings, Neo-Ishgardian Boots of Casting plus a bunch of jet black dye.
a video about optimal keybinds and hotbar setup would be very helpful to sprouts :D greats videos!
I'll add it to my list, but hotbar and keybind management is something I personally struggle with too haha
Obviously they won’t put in a Dps meter, but a personal rotation efficiency meter during and an area of improvement pop-up at the end would be nice.
Which gun is that in your opening clip?
Deepshadow Pistol!
doesn't each flank take 1/4 of the full circle unlike the 1/8 shown?
also why isn't there just a personal dps meter :(
anyways nice video
yes, but in savage content meeles usually have assigned positions to towards the back-diagonals for stuff like targeted cleaves on everyone, so it's generally better if you try to keep towards the back as meele (also some Tankbusters can be quite big cleaves/AoEs that might hit you if you go too much towards the front)
@@jetfire5991 cool ty. i know standing in front is usually bad, just wasn't sure about the image :)
There's a "sweet spot" that allows you to hit rear/flank positionals with minimal movement, right at the line between the two (where the 270° circle around the enemy ends on each flank). That's where melee thrive
Small nitpick, but in the ranged phys mitigation portion where you show the troubadour, shield samba, and tactician icons, that icon is not the current tactician icon. It's the old tactician (which both bard and machinist had) that was an aoe TP regen. It could be confusing to new players (especially those that would want tips on how to get better) to see that and not find it in their action list lol.
Also something important that I see a lot of people not do in the game is actually using LB. Yes it's big and flashy and takes time to charge, but it should be treated as any other cooldown and be actually used. There's no point in holding LB until the very end of an encounter if you've been sitting on LB2 or LB3 for an extended period of time especially in dungeons where good usage of ranged or caster LB can make trash packs melt significantly faster.
Ah, I yoinked the wrong icon then. Didn't even realize, my bad.
I actually have a bilingual macro (EN/JP) with a notification to get DPS to use limit break ^^
"only way you can tell if a dps is doing their job is looking at the rate in which things die"
(laughs while browsing my ACT history)
Cries in can’t parse on ps4 😢
@@robsusername1042 sure you can. like minded people tend to flock together and ffxiv rewards team play while pretty much punishing solo play in most it's content anyways. just need to find people that run it and run content with them. they can tell you your information.
as a healer, good dps really stand out. as a sprout, the rotations for dps is so linear. it's so much easier to concentrate on the fight and the health bars as a healer than playing a dps class you havent committed the rotation to muscle memory.
"I won't get too deep into magic and melee, otherwise I would have another 18 minute video on my hands."
Has a 17 minute video 😅
Great video btw, I like your content
Isn't the positional graph wrong? I thought it's was always 90° sections?
Thanks, I looked for a comment that mentioned this! :D
It's quite easy to do: Look at the circle around your target. The open space on the backside counts as behind. So skills that require hitting from behind should be executed in this space. If you need to hit from the side for your attack then go around the enemy until you leave this open spot. Then you are on the side.
Or even easier: Imagine a compass on your target. The arrow in front is north and in the middle of the open spot aon the backside is south. Skills with more damage from behind always in the south and skills for the flanks alsways from west or east. And never ever stand in the north, except you are the tank or are alome in the overworld questing XD
How did you put together your HuD?
Hmm, I've been getting this question a lot so I'll do a video on it soon.
But primarily: my party list is moved closer to the center as I've been healing a lot. I move it out to the edge (and make it smaller) when I tank or DPS. I have 3 primary hotbars for spells (reduced in size and moved closer together). I have a hotbar next to my party list, with a macro aligned to each party member's icon that allows me to cast Rescue on click in case I need to pull someone towards me.
On the left side of the screen, above the hotbars, I have my own info: health, cast bar, buffs and debuffs. Debuffs are scaled to like 120% because they're important to see.
On the right side above my hotbars, I have the target's information. The targets buffs and debuffs are above their health bar, and if I had the option I'd separate the two but SE doesn't let you do that. Above the target's buffs I have their cast bar scaled to 200%, mainly because healers often react based on what's being cast.
The rest around the sides is just the usual hotbars for mounts, consumables, macros and menu items. My objective was to move as much of the information into the bottom third of my screen to free up more screen space so I can actually see the fight mechanics. Also, I have my 3rd Person Camera Angle (found in Character settings) set to roughly 40-50. This also allows me to see more of the battlefield.
@@AlZahard An in-depth rundown with how you did it would be awesome.
but seriously how do I not die to formidable
The secret is to stay under him at all times from what I know, since he'll always yoink you in. You see me get pulled by him in the video, and I positioned so he wouldn't drag me into the AOEs. If you see him make purple and green orbs, you want to stand on top of the purple one as it'll be a big donut.
Where do I find that zone you're practicing MCH in? I remember unlocking it, I'm not sure what it's called or where it is..
There are 3 of them: (Stone, Sky, Sea), The Circles of Answering and The Lawns. The one I'm in is The Lawns, which is accessed by talking to the Soft-faced Bloke in Kholusia, right outside Eulmore.
@@AlZahard Yes! Stone Sky Sea that's one I was thinking of. I had no idea there were three. thanks :]
I am totally new, Black Mage, I thought I was doing pretty well... but at 50 downloaded "Advanced Combat Tracker" (just before the final couple of dungeons of "A Realm Reboard"... Oh boy, that was a shock, coming last or near last for DPS in virtually every raid! I even had white mages beating me, wtf! I guess they were pro... still its something to help and will be fun to try and improve and get to the top.
If it was in the last two dungeons of ARR, it likely wasnt your fault! People like to run Castrum and Praetorium even at high levels because they dole out 200 Allagan Tomestones of Poetics per clear: 300 with a new player on board. You were likely contending with iLevel 500+ geared players.
Lol my favorite quote in your video "don't not fucking die" I laughed pretty good. It's true too, stay out of red bro geez
Does brink of death affect the LB damage?
Nope! In fact, no buffs/debuffs affect LB damage, so it's recommended that the DPS player with Brink of Death (or Weakness) should use LB over the other players.
LB damage is only affected by the party members' weapon item level and it does not crit or direct hit.
I agree but also disagree that dps is the job with the least difficulties attached to it. If you are only going to do normal content, then yes. But if you are looking to dish out the most damage possible, and clear all savage and ultimates, then dps is way harder to play than tank (exept physical range). The "extra responsabilities" you have as a tank is really nothing, and i can't go back to gunbreaker after really trying to do the best i could on dps. Way less forgiving, harder to perform well, and you don't have less responsabilities than a healer or a tank in proper high level content. I do belive that normal content should have more mechanics tied to dps, and more dps chacks that really matters, because the jumps between normal and even extrême is brutal.
It's funny, I had comments almost exactly like this but from the healer/tank perspective on my other videos. At the end of the day it comes down to what jobs you're most comfortable on and what you play the most. In ultimate raids, all jobs have high measures of difficulty attached to them. Most triple legends I know will tell you that DPS is the easiest for Ultimate, unless they're tanks, then they'll tell you healing is easier.
The jump from normal -> extreme -> savage is huge indeed. I do agree that normal content needs to be harder across the board, especially dungeons.
@@AlZahard I should have made more clear it was a personal opinion, reading my comment back, it's not conveying well what i tried to say properly : I find that more often than not, you will find people that haven't tried anything harder than normal, tell you dps is easier because you don't have to do anything to care but yourself and have no responsabilites. But when you are engaging in the real hard content you know that to be completely wrong, because normal content don't give enough room for dps players to really matter, and i found it's a shame. and what i meant by "harder to play" "harder to perform well" was more related to strictly execution of the rotation and doing damage, not the execution of the fight and other thing you have to worry as a tank. Because you would be completely right to say that there is no such thing as an easy job in high level, and that it comes down to personal preference and affinity. the "extra responsabilites are nothing" i said, came across wrong. I ment that it's not that big of a deal some ppl makes it to be, and is more of a contraint (like casting, positionals, adjusting to damage variance/avoidable damage not avoided, and animation locks) that you have to play around, that you don't have more to do, or that it matters more.
Making the normal content this hard might just sap the fun out of it for scrubs like me who haven't perfected doing the turbo macarena in the middle of a hailstorm.
@@Corrodias I'm not asking for a big jump in difficulty, but more for the fights (mostly in dungeon) to have more mechanics that involve more responsabilitie on the dps, and more mechanics that the healers and tank can't handle without the dps
@@Corrodias that one made me laugh quite a bit
I find most rotations intuitive but using dummies is immensely important
I main WHT, I literally have 3-4 damage buttons. Lol
But yeah, first time I started to actually research how to do more damage I was surprised at how much I could optimize.
Oh thank god there is a DPS meter! I'm a WoW player trying FF for free, and even Im still low level (42) I want to see my damage growing and I want to train rotation on dummies. Thank you!
Well, I mean, What? DPS addon? What are you talking about, I never heard that before...
Tip for BLM ❄🧙🏽♀️🔥 players: USE YOUR AETHERIAL MANIPULATION AND BETWEEN THE LINES (weaving them in between instant GCDs if possible). In boss fights and even dungeons with aoes, you can stand somewhere far-ish from a better-positioned teammate and it'll add up in saving dps ordinarily lost via movement, when you've gotta haul a** away from the big ugly orange/blue. I see a lot of BLMs *running* away from aoes and missing a whole (hardcast) GCD or more. Honey, you're magical. ✨ You can zoom zoom.
Playing any caster on controller is so satisfying
Seems like picking Dragoon was the right choice, i just go in and beat stuff up to death without worrying too much, i'll try out Dark knight next tho cuz wielding a big black great sword is way cooler than a dump skinny lance
DRG has some of the sickest glams tho!
@@AlZahard Not gonna lie i unlocked it but the transmog system in this game is complicated af so i ignored it lol
I will never say dps is harder than tank or healer but ... in ff dps have less room for mistakes due to weave windows and a long GCD.
just spent an hour in ramuh extreme all 4 dps where sprouts all 4 where dead b4 add phase every pull and at one point a dps saw i was picking up orbs so they though they should too so then there wasn't enough for the buff to survive the tankbuster (i feel it a wow refugee thing they are too used to the toxic wow playerbase that if your party finds out you are new or don't know a fight you just get kicked from the party cus it was about 30 min b4 any of em even spoke up about not understanding what to do) resounding facepalms from the 3 non sprouts who started the fight with a message in chat of "do any of you not know what to do or need help understanding something" that was met with silence......
Sub'd you made me LOL at work with the don't F*cking die section.
All bout uptime on the boss while properly weaving combos...feels very fluent on controller games designed great
Hi! great video. One place I found good to practice slide casting on casters is PoTD when soloing. Nobody else is around and you can control the pulls and use sides of room and hallways to practice when you kite a mob. My target dummy is a little cramped in my yard so I went to PoTD to practice. Or HoH.
Personally, I don't mind SE's "don't ask don't tell" policy, it doesn't make me mad (although I feel bad for controller players yes.) For me playing without a meter feels like I am playing blind especially in a new MMO. That is just because of old habits. Not being able to talk about it in public gave me the freedom to learn to read logs to improve myself not just throw numbers around in some verbal shouting match. I upload the logs but I keep them private unless I am in a group where logging is taken for granted.
lol at Desperius. Also great tip below that SE cannot tell if you are using a meter or not so no need to out yourself on this.
I practiced slidecasting on every boss fight as a healer because it wouldn't break any rotations or combos if I messed up - it simulates the raiding environment a bit better since there are more mechanics to dodge with it. I agree with feeling blind without a DPS meter, which seems to be standard in most other MMOs. I like having performance indicators I can use to improve, and the game just doesn't have many. SE can't tell if you're parsing because ACT just reads your local network data and doesn't interface with the game in any other way, so the deny-deny-deny strategy is good for sure.
As a rdm with spotty internet sometimes, it feels like I have free movement lol
I've been seeing epidemics of terrible Black Mages lately. Not knowing how to side cast as BLM really hurts the DPS. I see majority of BLM would prioritize movement or even stop midcast to panicky move around the area.
Dropping a cast is the casters' curse unfortunately. Slidecasting can be really tight to get right depending on your ping D:
So I’m a bard does that mean I suck because of rng?
Unfortunately... no :p
Come now, it's not like tooltips will change adding in a bunch of random stuff whenever you get a new trait.
'SAM positionals enter the chat'
Since this video was released, SE has taken more steps to prevent the use of 3rd party stuf, like ACT. They're getting serious about this.
Great video but your slide casting examples were.... barely a slide cast. You were moving at 0.1s and clipping your gcd.
Ive been doing slidecast by accident cuz I found out about it as I was leveling 🤣
Same lol
I LOVE YOU PLEASE NOTICE ME YOUR VIDEOS ARE AMAZING ;__
As a healer main, DPS is easy. Good DPS is hard. I use ACT every second of the game and there’s so many bad DPS
the number of times I have seen people just spamming 1-2 buttons in level 80 content floors me.
I’m a sad PS5 player cause I won’t be able to check my dps..
but hey, at least you got a PS5! They're still totally unavailable where I live :
Shame and I'm trying to make it to Tea
DPS Dont die... Healer don't heal me every single time I stand in AOE on purpose... I can heal myself like a big boy
hi bro how you can see your ping like that part? (th-cam.com/video/hWOnkbcFKUA/w-d-xo.html)
I never tried savage and the lack of a dps meter is the only reason -___-
Don't wanna be the guy holding everybody else back
Oh don't worry the average dps player in PF parses below average anyway and you always get 1 or 2 ppl that carry dps, if you even have the slightest shred of motivation to actually get better by practicing a ton your rotation on a dummy and watching guides enough to understand mechanics you'll be on top most of the time (in PF). Even then, you'll play like shit at first, fail, wipe, some ppl may get salty and leave but that's on them, not on you. This game is not difficult (you can be a triple legend with grey parses everywhere, you still cleared) and if you bash your head against a fight for long enough you'll clear it, it may just take a long time and it's okay, it's a GAME, at worst you'll what, get kicked out of PF and blacklist a few ppl? Big deal. Although realistically we're so overgeared now dps checks barely exist anymore. Also to answer your other question the graph is indeed wrong, it's all 90°'s.
@@Creedlane ok thx for the info
Like everyone used to tell me.."just don't die,that's all you need to know" "Dead sprouts do no dps"...pretty much
do not die XD dies in the video lol