Jaguar V12 high energy cylinder head, David Vizard's chamber design and discussion. Part 1

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  • @jorgegomez4608
    @jorgegomez4608 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally some good attention to these
    Forgotten heads that many Jaguar
    XJS owners with their V12 dream
    of making them into the powerful
    Engine that deserve to be can’t
    Wait.

  • @erikredIV
    @erikredIV 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, first an awesome series on TBI swirl ports, now a Jag V12. Sweet!

    • @servediocylinderheads
      @servediocylinderheads  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Looking forward to Mark coming out with lots of cool Jag parts!

  • @ThePaulv12
    @ThePaulv12 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This chamber was very successful. Made the Jaguar V12 a long production engine like about 25 years or more long.
    The HE combustion chamber is but 1 part of the HE package. The design allowed a very lean mixture past peak EGT.
    High compression was another part. Bosch (Lucas labelled) fuel injection was another part, a tall rear gear ratio another part and a GM HEI (again Lucas labelled) another part that had the required punch to ignite the lean mixture. The system was a more sophisticated Mopar ELB with the lean burn baked into the combustion chamber and piston design.
    At full throttle the system ran regulation A/F ratios.
    To give you an idea of how good they were when set up according to the book - I say that because idiots who had no idea how to read, had no mechanical aptitude or understanding of basic mechanical principals - would start changing things when the engine started stalling or running rough. So when set up back to factory, they would get about 21 IMP gallons (not USG) to the mile.
    The HE still had more power than a pre HE at WOT.
    Here's the thing, the pre HE is a far nicer engine for performance. A pre HE revved up is unbelievably smooth, it's just the early injection system wasn't great. Also many pre HE's had 3.31 rear ends the HE had 2.78 or something.
    The pre HE had very heavy pistons too. The weight of them was ridiculous.
    I'd love to see what DV might do to a pre HE head. Pre HE heads are called Heron heads. As you mentioned they're just flat. The combustion chamber is bowl in piston. Be interesting if DV could come up with a piston and porting for the pre HE.
    People have generally found the HE head doesn't respond very well due to the recessed exhaust valve. Gains made tend to move the torque band around rather than increasing power production past 350hp. This was found by Jaguar who introduced the 6 litre HE in the 1990s and that really was the pinnacle. It had torque below 2500rpm, whereas the both the 5.3 pre HE and HE were pretty gutless until the rpm went over 3000. Part of that was the weight, the other the rear gear, the other the turbo 400 in them and the other part was heavy pistons.
    I'm sure with the DV treatment the limitations we mere plebs can attain from the HE will be surpassed. You see, the pre HE is comparatively easy though getting NA power over 400-450 from a pre HE is still pretty difficult. It rises to that range then after that it is the law of diminishing returns ie the large amount of money spent starts to yield smaller and smaller returns.

  • @theshed8802
    @theshed8802 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If I remember correctly, weslake was involved in the design of the head. The exhaust port actually reminds me of a Ford side valve v8. They were that flat on both intake and exhaust

  • @approachingtarget.4503
    @approachingtarget.4503 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like the sunken exhaust area.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the phone pics what is the 3B 4B and 5B about looks like different chambers? I would like to see the total setup on the non HE heads and piston. The diesels do great on fuel economy so interesting that they could not adapt that similarly to gas.

    • @servediocylinderheads
      @servediocylinderheads  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mark may bring this head Saturday and explain it. Thanks

  • @11secghia
    @11secghia 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Since we are on the subject...
    Im running a set of endyn "soft dome" pistons i.e. Larry Windmer,they are in a air cooled VW thats 13:1 on pump gas . That HE head used the same principal and 12:1 on premium fuel!!

  • @ricksgt2012
    @ricksgt2012 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My wife thought I was looking at an owl.

    • @MidnightOilsRestoration
      @MidnightOilsRestoration 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🦉😂🤣
      Interesting design, very different for sure. I’ve ridden in a couple of jags-and they pulled pretty hard for a full-size luxury car!

    • @charlesperkins7746
      @charlesperkins7746 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂😂

    • @andysteele4056
      @andysteele4056 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ha ha! that's a hoot!

  • @ThomasELeClair
    @ThomasELeClair 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,can't wait to see how much you deepen that exhaust bowl,,,,,,and blend it .....,

  • @qwertbumbi
    @qwertbumbi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the swirl in the exhaust stroke direction different from the intake stroke direction, as well as in every case?

  • @itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852
    @itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, that is very different from our beloved v8 stuff, neato.😎👍

    • @servediocylinderheads
      @servediocylinderheads  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is pretty cool! I like working on different designs. Thanks

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you seen the pistons yet? Maybe they will need some work done to them also?

  • @samstewart4807
    @samstewart4807 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi, what year is that cyl. head? or years it was used???

  • @clarkmcmahan1595
    @clarkmcmahan1595 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting concept .but undecided on how I like the design ..

  • @seanbrown8269
    @seanbrown8269 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Michael May "fireball" head. Originally, it was supposed to center the swirling charge over the exhaust valve and spark plug at tdc to make for a rapid burn. The idea works, but I am not sure they did it to the full extent at Jaguar. I think Group 44 used the Heron head (chamber in piston) design for more flow and outright hp.

    • @servediocylinderheads
      @servediocylinderheads  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stay tuned for part 2! Thanks

    • @Alex-mr4is
      @Alex-mr4is 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Michael May is an amazing guy who started turbocharging road cars in the early 70s. He‘s born in Germany but lived in Switzerland most of his life. He sold most of his stuff here in Germany an was well known under his companys name „May Turbo“. He started racing in the 50s and won early races by just installing a movable rear wing to be able to drive with much higher corner speeds. No one back then knew about the advantages of wings until he used it on his Porsche 550 and was faster than the Porsche factory team. Porsche made a protest and even if there wasnt anything about wings in the rulebook, they banned it because May was about 4 sec faster per lap as the factory Porsche. He is still alive, now 90 years old!

  • @markniblett4857
    @markniblett4857 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This could be educational.

  • @GroovesAndLands
    @GroovesAndLands 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm just some flub on the internet - but that design looks terrible. Basically a "bathtub" style chamber with an extra bathtub inside. Hope I'm wrong.

  • @overbuiltautomotive1299
    @overbuiltautomotive1299 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    more jaguar head stuff f

    • @servediocylinderheads
      @servediocylinderheads  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@overbuiltautomotive1299 D.V. has them, he said he would do a video on them finalized. Thanks