Responding to Narc's I Am Sorry About Ashes of Creations Community

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  • @focusonthebeer3846
    @focusonthebeer3846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    THANK YOU. It was very confusing to see a video where Narc is claiming to be the newb-nurturing safe space. I have commented several times to urge him to chill tf out on his aggressive language because its so off putting for people to come to check out ashes, see his very in-depth videos but listen to someone call everyone who enjoys wow or xiv a retard unworthy of air or opinions lol.. Yet he persists.. until today, I guess?

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      THIS! It's extremely embarrassing that if you go to twitch his videos are the first ones you see.
      I think there is some lack of self awareness there. Especially with how abusive he has been towards people who simply have a different take than him.

    • @agaeon
      @agaeon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation I watched his videos few yrs ago when i found out about AoC,but last 2? yrs de devolved into..this? Sad stuff

  • @josephharmon9386
    @josephharmon9386 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I came across a Narc video back in like 2021 or so and that's how I started following AoC. He seemed pretty chill at first but over the years it has become a bit more...aggressive.
    Calling people R*etarded
    Everything with female or minority leads is "woke bullshit"
    Everyone with a differing opinion are dunked on
    Dude has gotten pretty negative over the years, it certainly didn't start out that way. Maybe it's who he was the whole time and we've gotten bits and pieces over the years.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Man I didn't know about the "woke bullshit" stuff. That kinda seems like he's being disingenuous about racists and sexist comment in his video...
      Idk it all just seems extremely disingenuous to me.

    • @josephharmon9386
      @josephharmon9386 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TangentsofCreation Yeah, we would put on a video of his and there was a few times where girlfriend made a comment about him using slurs (r*tarded) very often or everything being "woke". We kinda stopped watching and found a few other creators.

    • @MrKevlarkent
      @MrKevlarkent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i dont think this latest version is the real him, i think his mental health has really taken a turn for the worse

    • @ashonline77
      @ashonline77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is becoming a mini current day asmongold like many other people and its sad to see. All this culture war and anti woke bs with a sprinkle of misogyny. Regarding both asmon and narc using the r word casually, they both are apparently on the spectrum (high functioning) as they have mentioned it before and therefore can say the word casually is what i'm getting from it.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm also autistic and ADHD I don't think that gives me the right to use derogatory terms towards people...

  • @isth3reno1else
    @isth3reno1else 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    "I have thick skin" - a recognizable trait of a vanguard

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Imma tank this shit all the way to launch lol

  • @MrKevlarkent
    @MrKevlarkent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I have generally watched all of narcs videos over the last 2-3 years and I think mostly they've been good. But over the last 2-3 months, but also sometimes before that, he's really been dooming way too much and I think it definitely has to do with his mental (and physical too, unfortunately) health deteriorating.
    I hope that he can find some solution to that, especially when alpha2 launches and people will be happy with the state of the game, even if it's not got as much content as some copium-sniffers (narcs himself for some weird reason was expecting way too much) expected

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah I'm gonna be honest I worry about his mental health. I used to be a fan before I made content but over the last few years I just can't, a lot of it is how he interacts with people on stream. I just can't get behind something like that.

    • @MrKevlarkent
      @MrKevlarkent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation i almost never watch twitch, so i just have his youtube videos to go on 😅

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MrKevlarkent his streams are... something 🤣

    • @MrKevlarkent
      @MrKevlarkent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TangentsofCreation maybe the streaming is a vicious circle for his mental health

    • @Kay2Gee
      @Kay2Gee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wouldn’t say I watched all of his videos but definitely a large chunk, especially when I can’t be asked to watch whole AOC stream. When I found out about the game I almost injected copium but resisted and now have my own opinion, which is somewhat in the middle of this $hitstorm. I think Narc is getting more aggressive as Steven&Friends underdeliver on his promises and/or makes some bad decisions which undermines trust within community.

  • @Acid_hail
    @Acid_hail 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Very much agree that it’s kinda wild how serious some people take the whole thing
    Like yes I am SO stoked for this game and want so badly for it to be successful, but I understand development isn’t always smooth 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I just want a good game dude, this drama is so wild to me 🤣

  • @Carimm60
    @Carimm60 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Narc has been a toxic presence in the Ashes community for years now, His idle is Asmongold so that should not be a surprise...

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I do wonder how many people see his streams and that's the first thing they see for Ashes and I do honestly feel like that's a bad representation about the actual AoC community.

    • @Skull7Prayer
      @Skull7Prayer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then dont watch his presence

    • @OsirisTheWeary
      @OsirisTheWeary 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@Skull7Prayerand don’t buy the keys either. Glad that argument goes both ways

    • @HolgerLovesMusic
      @HolgerLovesMusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The hell are you talking about?
      How makes fun of Asmon being a reaction streamer and not a real gamer anymore.

    • @Fiddlez14
      @Fiddlez14 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like Asmongold. Can't stand Narc. Asmon is just honest about how he feels or thinks. I have 0 issue and I disagree with him alot
      I think Narc tries to be Asmon but he's just doesn't know how.

  • @Anie_Lace
    @Anie_Lace 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Not even just a picture of the merch, but GUILD merch, since it's for your Kult of Kaos guild that was conceptualized over 2 years ago 🤦‍♀️😂

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Right the Kult of Kaos has been something for YEARS...

  • @heetcrusher2880
    @heetcrusher2880 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I would not worry bout Narc. That guy is a weird one to begin with. I mean who orders underwear with another man's face on them. He has become a negative nancy and will also be the first one in the que to login as soon as it is available. This is a alpha and I am fine with the $$ to get in. Intrepid maybe should not have opened up alpha keys again to being with but it doesn't matter now. It does not affect game play. People complained and Intrepid made adjustments that seem appropriate. (making alpha keys good threw beta). Just keep doing what you are doing. Love the content.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate 💪

    • @imviciously
      @imviciously 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The underwear is clearly a joke. Watching one stream is enough to tell that he trolls 80% of the time lol

  • @Overall_Enthusiasm
    @Overall_Enthusiasm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    What I'm about to say will not matter.. We the people(who are hopeful for the game) are not all represented by some that decide to be elitist pricks. Just like people who have questions and concerns about the game are not represented by another set of elitist pricks that say the game is a scam and try to brow beat you for being an "idiot".

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Right, like most of us exist in the middle where we are just chillin' and waiting for the game.

  • @TangentsofCreation
    @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This is the description on the Fuck Copium Join The Kult Tee shirt
    TIRED OF ALL THE NOISE AND DRAMA? SO ARE WE. "F*CK COPIUM, JOIN THE KULT" IS FOR THOSE WHO SEE THROUGH THE CONSTANT WHINING AND FINGER-POINTING, EMBRACING LOGIC OVER EMOTION.
    THIS SHIRT IS A DIRECT RESPONSE THAT YOU DON’T NEED TO GET SWEPT UP IN THE NOISE TO STAY COMMITTED.
    YOU UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF PATIENCE, THE CLARITY OF REASON, AND THE STRENGTH OF STAYING COOL UNDER PRESSURE. WEAR THIS WITH PRIDE, BECAUSE WHILE OTHERS LOSE THEIR HEADS, YOU STAY FOCUSED. JOIN THE KULT, AND LET THE WORLD KNOW YOU’RE NOT HERE FOR THE HYPE-YOU’RE HERE FOR THE LONG GAME.
    jamiekaos-shop.fourthwall.com/products/f-ck-copium-join-the-kult-kult-tee

  • @Torchlight_Studios
    @Torchlight_Studios 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I got banned from his discord too for just simply stating my views on the state of the game and what I thought about Intrepid's decisions.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've heard this echoed a lot. He bullies a lot of people but then goes and makes a video that makes him look like a victim.

    • @Torchlight_Studios
      @Torchlight_Studios 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation I still gave him the benefit of the doubt and just figure he was lashing out. But when he called me a retard for disagreeing with him on his stream that was enough for me.

    • @MrKevlarkent
      @MrKevlarkent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation he might feel like people have bullied him when they have joked around/critizised him so he feels justified doing it back

    • @Skull7Prayer
      @Skull7Prayer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then dont join his discord server

    • @Torchlight_Studios
      @Torchlight_Studios 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Skull7Prayer

  • @OsirisTheWeary
    @OsirisTheWeary 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    We’ve had years and years where Ashes content creators were respectful to one another and even collaborating to give us content. And now there is drama seemingly every month with one common denominator.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was going to say, I have had so many people on my show. Have done collaborations. None of us have had contention with each others.

    • @Yushaodo
      @Yushaodo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I blame the Mr beast controversy 😅

  • @jonathanhaven1690
    @jonathanhaven1690 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm a huge fan of Narc. I also love Kaos and Lace. I even like Asmongold too. I hate that people are so tribalistic and toxic and negative. I just think we all need to get out of the weeds and steer the community in a more positive direction. This game has so much to offer. We can spread knowledge and our passion without it having to be an argument.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree with you. I just recently made a video about how tribalism is hurting MMOs and how I've been feeling similar frustrations.
      This whole last week has been nothing but drama and it's been exhausting and I am very much ready to move forward and be done with it and just following and giving coverage on the game again.

    • @jonathanhaven1690
      @jonathanhaven1690 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TangentsofCreation I agree. When I played a different game for a couple hours for a channel sponsorship the other night, I had someone ask me on my stream, "so are you not playing hardcore wow anymore?" I have not skipped a day of streaming hardcore wow in 2 months straight... it's like people assume you can only have one game. 🙉

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      People can be super dogmatic sometimes 😩

    • @Bishop3k
      @Bishop3k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation Tribalism and echo chambers are hurting the whole society atm. We are deeply devided in the whole western world.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bishop3k I feel it, at least it feels that way from the ones who yell the loudest. Wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of this is also a response to how people are feeling about the election. Lot of social stuff bleeding into content.

  • @Fiddlez14
    @Fiddlez14 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was banned too. Seeing this video made me 😅. The irony is hilarious as he is the most toxic content creator i have seen.
    He bans anyone that doesn't agree with him. His entire stream plays out like a raged out Ex. Just being overly vicious in his "critical thoughts" and yelling at anyone who disagree's or thinks he shouldn't be so toxic.
    My actual converation was " i dont want to say anything because you will ban me"...he told me i definitely wouldnt get banned and then banned me. (I said WoW wasnt THAT bad)
    THANKFULLY, he is rare and every other content creator is super chill and welcoming. Vlahdus, Nyce, No1, you and Jamie. Highly recommended.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel like so many people have had this same experience and I'm glad you were able to find CCs that were a lot more welcoming 🤣

  • @Narc
    @Narc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Hiya allow me to respond to this as there is alot of disingenuous arguements in here.
    1st of all, you're not the main character man. My video is not about you. It features things about you in it in a very minor way, presented as examples, but I care more about the wider narrative that Steven Sharif wants the community.
    Your channel is full of highly emotional reactions against mine, asmon, Thor, Jimmy and Josh Strife Hayse trying to debunk anything negative we say about AoC yet you try to manipulate the narrative and say we're the emotional ones and you're the logical one?
    you do not provide any feedback in these videos, you do not say anything constructive and **you're using this particular drama to push monetised merch.** (shameless much?)
    You have actively been very aggressive towards me, my community and my takes every since the beginning (starting with my takes on WoW) and even during the Drama with Vlhadus you instantly jump into my DMs to be all buddy buddy with me, even though I've seen your messages excited to see me get cancelled.
    You might take this as a funny joke to monetise and have fun with because ultimately you'll move on one day... But this is my full time job and I am very passionate about the success of Intrepid Studios.
    My videos are strucured in a way that have a narrative, motive and a moral at the end of them that a very large ammount of people agree with.
    I am not "farming doomium" or "getting clicks from drama"
    **I am covering the important topics within the community that spread the correct ethical messages that I believe in.**
    I am providing feedback directly to intrepid, through an entertaining video because that's how I believe I can help intrepid best.

    • @Schrumpel
      @Schrumpel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      my experience so far with ashes of creations smaller content creater is that most of them are dicksucker ( i bought the game in kickstarter, so no im not a ashes hater blabla). Its disgusting whenever you say anything not correct in their mind (not even a negative thing, just different viewpoint) they getting angry and pissed because its not their loved ashes vision. Also the way that intrepid is doing the last few years is simply horrible, why should anyone defend it. Stop eating shit, you can see what happens if you keep eating shit for years in bdo right now. Cant wait for the game to release, then they are all gone because the known, not blind content creater will replace them anyway, atleast for me.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Hey, I appreciate you taking the time to respond, but I want to clarify a few things.
      First off, I never claimed to be the main character of your video. You included my merch in it, so I responded. If you don't want my commentary, it’s simple-don't feature my content.
      Regarding the "emotional reactions", if you actually watched my responses, you'd see that I agree about 50/50 with what’s being said. I correct information that seems off and give my own opinions-just like you do. We don’t have to share the same views, and neither do other creators. You might have a larger following, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have our own audience who sees things differently.
      As for pushing merch, I’ve barely done that. My store launched just a month ago, and I rarely do call-to-actions for it. So, the idea that I’m using this drama to sell merch is off base.
      I reached out to you during the Vlhadus drama because I thought what happened was wrong. Bringing someone’s past into a podcast feels like a soft dox to me, and that’s not something I’m okay with. I’ve always been upfront about my thoughts on some of your content-it can come across as toxic and inflammatory. I’m not hiding that.
      Two things can be true: I can disagree with you and still be passionate about this game and its community. I’m not going anywhere as long as Ashes of Creation exists.
      Lastly, we actually had the same criticism about Josh Strife Hayes, and my response was lukewarm at best. My Thor video was just a community conversation about guilds. Jimmy appreciated the level-headedness of my reaction. As for Asmon, that was wild, but honestly, my take was probably less charged than the tantrum he threw.

    • @ToMaSsS10
      @ToMaSsS10 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Damn, you destroyed this guy Narc

    • @contortzz
      @contortzz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where is the "eating popcorn" emoji?

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @contortzz it's right next to the max sliders emoji 🤣

  • @Mr.Nubtastic
    @Mr.Nubtastic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Narc is getting desperate. He's gone all in on the Ashes is a Scam front, which is all about to come to end in November. He has nothing else to click bait about.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I miss when it was just desperate for a good MMO not desperate for clicks 🥺

    • @HolgerLovesMusic
      @HolgerLovesMusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You guys obviously do not understand sarcasm.

  • @zachclifford6338
    @zachclifford6338 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was in Narcs community once, discord, the lot, and even had a conversation with the dude. Its got to be said, I think legit has mental health issues and it was impossible to have a constructive conversation with the guy. How he develops content is anyone's guess but it felt like I was trying to reason with a 15 year old child in a COD lobby.
    Keep doing ya thing man, love your content and always click.
    Rise above any bullish and craft a community that's worth standing by, cuz at the end of the day its about the love of the game.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate the support! I really just want to build a kick ass community and get back to being hyped and excited and away from all this drama, this shits exhausting 🤣

  • @TheCopiumClinic
    @TheCopiumClinic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    We all know your shirt is a protest of my clinic.

    • @isth3reno1else
      @isth3reno1else 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheCopiumClinic it's about time somebody says it. This man won't even address the real issues

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Stop pedaling cope you monster! 🤣

    • @Azhrei776
      @Azhrei776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You shaved your beard in jealousy.

    • @DreshAshes
      @DreshAshes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't let up Doc, GET HIM....(appreciate you Jamie)

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DreshAshes no let's do this! FIGHT ME BURNS 🤬🤣

  • @えーくっと
    @えーくっと 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In every mmorpg there are players and streamers like that Pax Dei, AoC, New World, Throne and Liberty, and any games, some people cannot listen or accept what other side says but thy can say all kind of things and thy feel like it is normal when thy insult others and ban them by doing negative things...

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's definitely the hypocrisy that gets me.

  • @AurorJeffrey
    @AurorJeffrey 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don’t sweat it too much. Hopefully the time comes when you don’t even need to make a response video and we can just ignore it and move on.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm sure this will also lead to an Asmon react which will I guess lead to another ract 🤣
      I mean I guess some PvP prep right lol

    • @AurorJeffrey
      @AurorJeffrey 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TangentsofCreationalso a nice reminder that one of my first steps in all multiplayer games is to adjust my whisper and global perms

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AurorJeffrey 100% lol

  • @CoStarkGG
    @CoStarkGG 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i beg to differ that having a larger fan base doesn't always mean a larger distribution of power.

  • @Nick-nb2oz
    @Nick-nb2oz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the aoc community needs more chill ppl like you man, it's sad narc is now one of the main faces of it cuz he gained a following when he was simply talking about the game instead of stirring unnecessary drama for views like he's doing now, he's just attracting ppl who resonate with a polarising opinion, it's just basic manipulation man and it's sad...

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The more people that share smaller content creators content and like it and watch it and try to spread the word of it. That stuff all helps.
      I genuinely think there will be a switch once a lot of us are able to actually get into the game.
      There's a lot of us right now planning to make content that we just can't do yet.

    • @demonovMX
      @demonovMX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation the thing is: he is really good at making fun and informative videos about aoc , you guys should learn from him something and stop with uploading hours of stream on youtube , highlight the important in under 10 min with that you'll get more views im sure

  • @WillOfDarkness
    @WillOfDarkness 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At the and of the day i respect everyone opinions, everyone will feel differently about things rather it be about gamin or other stuff, we as a community should embrace others opinions and just voice yours and move on it's just that simple..the world would be stale if everyone thought the same..

  • @Tilley53
    @Tilley53 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I watched Narcs video to get an understanding of both sides. Im not sure Narc understands he hasnt really been very accepting or chill about AOC, and he is negative about AOC, which paints it in a bad light as well. I understand expressing concerns, and i won't white knight, but im also not a doomer. Narc hasnt been a good viewpoint for the community, in my opinion. And i think that might be due to his autism. It could be causing him to spiral at the moment.
    For your video, Jamie, the only thing i disagree with or i guess i dont like is better put. Im not a fan of the "punching down" or "punching up" narrative. I dont think small content creators should be immune or given special treatment, but i also feel the same about bigger ones. Asmon is a prime example. He says or does the dumbest stuff, and his community is as equally dumb to where they believe everything he says, and that isn't okay.
    That being said, I understand your frustration, and Narcs community is like Asmon's since some of them actually come from Asmon's community. I've seen them going around spouting shi# from their mouth when they are just blindly following someone else. Keep your head up, I support you 👌 but I will also be the first, or the only if I disagree with you, I will tell you.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate you Tilley! Definitely call me out if I'm wrong or off base, I wouldn't have it any other way.
      I got a very similar take away that he seems to lack some self awareness of his own toxicity claiming to be this safe harbor for people new to AoC and almost comes off as an ad for his discord.
      I honestly just want to get back to talking about the game and less about other peoples takes on it, all this drama is fucking exhausting 🤣

  • @jimmymittens
    @jimmymittens 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Keep up the great content that your currently doing and have been. I've kinda stopped following a lot of the other creators cause I just love the hype you bring and any time drama starts up you have been one of the most level headed about it and kinda curved everyones opionion every time in a positive direction.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate it brother! 💪
      I'll continue to make content you all enjoy and try to be that voice of reason and logic in a sea on nonsense and drama.

  • @ceebet
    @ceebet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can’t watch his content, he reminds me of a spoiled child that isn’t getting his way. Using decisive terms like racist and sexist is just a prejudicial way to say I can’t have a meaningful conversation so i am resorting to name calling.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've had other fans echo similar statements, the berating when they have different opinions definitely rubs me wrong.

  • @damdamdamdumdidum
    @damdamdamdumdidum 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As someone who watches Narc's videos from time to time.. I don't think lots of people take him seriously, it's pure entertainment, nothing more.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      From most of the comments on my video it seems like the streams are the biggest area of toxicity, not really his videos.

  • @BeastlySupremo
    @BeastlySupremo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing I agree on Narc is that we need to be critical and not to be a YES man for game to be succeed, we should have high standard and not to have bare minimum standards. Intrepid needs it to succeed in this industry, we don't need to be defensive or to be kult when the game has some flaws. Although the people yapping too much, still they are gonna play it and there perspective matter too.
    Anyways great video and I hope the game succeed.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah dude I agree and in all my reacts of everything I look at I correct misinformation and give credit where credit is due.
      Typically it comes down to like 50/50 agree to disagree.
      I appreciate the level headed take!

  • @hasumoto1707
    @hasumoto1707 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey Jamie,
    I'm glad you are, who you are. Big bro hug
    Keep up the good stuff and don't let anybody bring you down.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gonna keep kicking ass and moving forward 💪😎

  • @kevinmeyers9213
    @kevinmeyers9213 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The guy is toxic and reflects anything you try to hold him accountable for but still hypocritically wants everybody else to be held accountable.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah that was kind of the main reason I made the response.

    • @kevinmeyers9213
      @kevinmeyers9213 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation Narc’s latest video "Steven Sharif Opens Up About The State of Ashes of Creation" raises serious concerns, and it’s clear that his behavior may need professional help. What’s even more troubling is that his followers, who now act with cult-like loyalty, see nothing wrong with how he mistreats those who disagree with him. This has become even more apparent as his following has skyrocketed as a content creator. His statements like 'I am here to help you, Steven' reflect a sense of grandiosity, common in narcissistic personalities, suggesting that only he can assist or guide. This is reinforced by his manipulative tendencies, such as presenting himself as indispensable to Steven’s success. Narc positions himself as a gatekeeper of truth, claiming authority and control over the conversation while silencing or attacking those who present different viewpoints. These tactics reflect the classic strategies of cult leaders who maintain control through dominance, exclusion of dissent, and portraying themselves as the ultimate source of wisdom or guidance.
      Sorry for replying to this old message; I have no other way to reach out to you."

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevinmeyers9213 honestly more and more people are seeing it and in 10 days we will all have Alpha 2 and his commentary will be irrelevant. Also feel free to join the discord!

  • @MrBootstrap92
    @MrBootstrap92 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Youre a cool dude, ima new viewer and hope to chill with you guys on stream and in game someday. Keep up the good work my man and i hope nothing but the best for ya.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate it brother! This whole thing is just silly.
      There are so many voices in this space and room for all of them 💪

  • @HiYurd
    @HiYurd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    100% agree with this video.... this is just A GAME... There is no need to stir up any drama.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My main thing over the last few days is that I think people are severely over reacting and need to calm down and maybe touch some grass. Wasn't expecting there to be so much drama around it 🤣

  • @mansonandsatanrock
    @mansonandsatanrock 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From the point of view of someone who just learnt about Ashes yesterday, through your reaction to Jimmy's video about not getting a good MMO again, I think you are a reasonable person and level headed.
    However, after learning about the key fiasco, and other greedy things from the past, and especially this recent creator drama, my view of Ashes's community has soured, and, that is sad, as the game doesn't even actually exist yet.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly it's about every 6 months something like this pops off. Desperate MMO players can be feral. It's def during a volatile and sensitive time and I also wonder how much irl stuff has people on high tension.
      I'm sorry you've gotten a bad taste, hopefully you come back at the release to check it out and can get a much better representation. The core AoC fanbase really is extremely welcoming.

    • @mansonandsatanrock
      @mansonandsatanrock 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation I'll definitely come back then and see.
      For now I'll stick with WOW Classic and OSRS.

  • @veeshan222
    @veeshan222 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dont worry he calls me a pedo cause i just happened to have have a pokemon profile pic at the time for what ever reason, what ever make him feel better i guess *shrugs* couldnt care less myself personally but yes he does often lash out a bit at people who dont echo his option.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have heard things like this from so many people and it kind of sucks that a lot of people have that experience when they first join the AoC community.

    • @veeshan222
      @veeshan222 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation hahahaha was wondering how long it take him to discover this comment and ban me from the discord chat :P
      surprising it took him so long, knew it was coming eventually though :D

  • @undead_pally
    @undead_pally 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When someone thinks everything is about them is called narcissism. Love your merch man - keep it up!

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or is it NARCissism, sorry I couldn't help it 🤣

    • @undead_pally
      @undead_pally 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TangentsofCreation LOL!! Actually, some days I do wonder ... 😂

  • @Kalovander
    @Kalovander 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Gonna need to grab myself a Kult-a-Cola before diving into this ;)

  • @markgallacher902
    @markgallacher902 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never apologise for other people being over sensitive, maybe I’m just older and come from a time where people weren’t so fragile . You did nothing wrong! If anyone should apologise it’s him for misunderstanding the situation, but then narc thinks he’s the main character on this planet and the rest of us are all npc’s.

  • @IdhalarAlBaiesh
    @IdhalarAlBaiesh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That guy is not ok.

  • @AverageYTer
    @AverageYTer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, I can expect this type of banter from AoC creators. The game was hyped far too early, and they cling to anything that will get them a view. I’m not sure if that’s part of what you’re doing here, but I’ve been annoyed by Ritchie and Narc for years now. Just vomitting up anything slightly related to ashes and slapping a big title on the cover photo.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm gonna be real honest, I typically just stream and report stuff when we have things. I wasn't really a fan of Narc posting my merch in his video and then talking about having to deal with racist and sexist in the same breath. I get so many DMs from people about him talking about me and thinking my posts are about him and to be honest the whole thing is beyond cringe.

    • @AverageYTer
      @AverageYTer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation agreed. Earned a sub my friend!

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate it!

  • @mazmundie
    @mazmundie 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am at the point where I just open his videos dislike them and leave.

  • @dominicjherr
    @dominicjherr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I watch Narc's videos, and enjoy his content. Yeah, he can be...sensationalist, lol...at times. And, I don't agree with some of his opinions. But, all that said, I think he's a real supporter of the game, despite a difference in viewpoints.
    In the end, we're all adults, and we can handle our own crap. Nobody needs to be apologizing for anybody. As individual followers of the project, we can speak for ourselves. Whether we choose to defend the project...or not...do you. It'll be what it be, and life goes on.
    I've become a recent subscriber to Kaos and Lace, and I enjoy your videos. I enjoy the varying viewpoints of the different content creators. Looking forward to more videos! Take it easy!

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Perfect take dude! At the end of the day, we all want the game to succeed. There's always going to be varying opinions. I think we should just let them coexist.

  • @alfeena9630
    @alfeena9630 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He sounds like another CC that started out chill and went full on narcissist and had to leave the community.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's crazy because I remember when Narc talked about how he disliked the things Jalon was saying about Intrepid and now he's doubled down and says even worse things.
      You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

  • @nineinchnailzPSN
    @nineinchnailzPSN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like seeing shorter content from you. Would like the streams if you stayed on topic more. Just my preference, maybe more people like that.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm working on how to figure out how to do more focused content. Talking head videos seem like a good alternative.
      As we start getting more things to go over like patch notes, builds, systems ect. I do plan to go over them live and be less interactive with chat.
      I am highly distracted by my chat and love the engagement with them. I'll see what I can do about getting in some more focused stuff though!
      Anything specific you'd like to see me cover?

  • @tonydalimata
    @tonydalimata 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All this over a game in development.
    The Internet sucks .hahhaha more popcorn 🍿 ??

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude seriously, it's a video game... 🤣

    • @tonydalimata
      @tonydalimata 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yah , only people more unhinged than gamers is sports fans , and I'm having doubts about that.

  • @DoingFavors
    @DoingFavors 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    People crying in discord for fucking days, they're just bored and looking for drama. Might as well troll the shit out of them.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I miss the days of just going over the new cosmetic packs and the lore in them 😩

  • @Yushaodo
    @Yushaodo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My main character in, ashes of creation, will be, the cultist

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Let's gooooo 🤣

    • @Yushaodo
      @Yushaodo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TangentsofCreationa Tulnar heavy Armoured blood magic using melee cultist... I'll have to make some character build videos, when I find great gear to compliment my character on full release

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Yushaodo oh that sounds cool as fuck!

  • @RitchieSH
    @RitchieSH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you forget to turn on your light

  • @rocsek_
    @rocsek_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awe... That's My Guild Leader. 🙃

  • @Santoryu_CDS
    @Santoryu_CDS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    narc just started streaming and people started coming at him almost immediately lol

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh man, like why is this happening over a game that isn't even out yet...

  • @TheREALIzludez
    @TheREALIzludez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honestly cannot fucking stand the copacola bs he says every video. I have to skip that part of the video because of how cringey it is.

  • @leeeneas8529
    @leeeneas8529 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny enough, all this weirdness narc is on about started right after you guys went to see steven.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like the AMA or when he came on?

    • @leeeneas8529
      @leeeneas8529 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation the AMA, it was around that time mud started to get slung

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is starting to make a lot of sense now 👀

  • @h.jonasrhynedahll1013
    @h.jonasrhynedahll1013 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Keep up the good work!

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate it! Thank you so much 😅

  • @caron4jah
    @caron4jah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Narc looks like the angry german kid xD

  • @NickWebb-lc6ry
    @NickWebb-lc6ry 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Having high confidence in a developer that literally DOES NOT have a video game made, but instead has "parts" of a game made, would make more sense in a world without 10+ years of game scams being the NORM. The actual evidence of these "companies" showing "Parts" of games to rake in money then vanishing, and never actually releasing a game is COMMON, the industry has created this cynicism.
    Then you look at the MMO games that actually made it to a release, and were real games that FAILED MISERABLY. This goes back 15-20 years, When Warhammer Reckoning was going to be the WOW killer, and the controls and combat released JANKY, it was a joke of a game, the combat was HORRIBLE, the basic global cooldown system and the animations were broken, so we went back to WOW.... Then when the entire community got excited for Rift, and the game released with Janky animations, and poor combat compared to WOW, they didn't polish the game fast enough, and we all went back to WOW....Then the community got excited for Star Wars the Old Republic, the combat was terrible, the animations were AGAIN insanely janky and awkward and the controls were rough, the global cooldowns were broken, the combat was worthless, so we all went back to WOW.
    Ashes is NOT our first go around with a potentially good MMO, but OF COURSE we are full of cynicism, full of doom, full of doubt. The people that are "taking it too seriously" are the people that feel so sure the game is going to be good. NO these games are historically TERRIBLE, until the developer PROVES it is a real game, and the combat is as HIGH quality as WOW, then we can start talking. Until then rolling your eyes and thinking it is going to be another failure is the W take, it is the norm. If Steven finally makes an MMO that controls as good as WOW, and the game is good we all will rejoice. But to ignore the industry and history of MMO's and act like SURELY ASHES WILL BE AAA.....probably not.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The great things about having so many different creators is we all have different opinions. The whole argument is around let other opinions exist. If you don't like my optimism you don't have to watch my content. It literally cost nothing to not watch it. If you like Narc and the way he feels, you literally have a content creator you can watch lol.

  • @vojtechstiborsky9522
    @vojtechstiborsky9522 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MMO players go civil war for the stupidest of reasons, just like an MMO player should 🤣

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      PvP baby! 🤣
      Seriously though what is going on 😂

    • @vojtechstiborsky9522
      @vojtechstiborsky9522 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation I dont know man, everyone is so toxic now. I wish you all the best, honestly Im taking a break from following Ashes, until A2 which I may or may not join, we will see. Good luck.

  • @xHazer
    @xHazer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why you even Respond to this person, he has so negative personality..... WTF... IGNORE HIM BRO!!!!

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I said what I had to and going forward, we will not be reacting or covering anything based around this individual. I personally addressed this due to having some of my content posted in his video.

  • @BigQuadsOnCampus
    @BigQuadsOnCampus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah it’s about time to get off TH-cam until release 😂

  • @Skull7Prayer
    @Skull7Prayer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My honest opinion Jamie is that you are the most opportunistic from all the AoC content creators. You often try to catch the attention of big TH-camrs so you can increase your numbers. You do depend your whole life around AoC thats why you bought 3 copies of the game even for your daughter (you brought her online and mentioned it otherwise i wouldnt say anything about her). If the game stop tomorrow then your internet existance stops too, there is literaly no reason at all for someone to watch you. Then all the equipment and merch will go to trash. And thats why when you talk about Steven your mouth drips honey and you never do any critism. You say you dont watch AoC content, and then you say that you watch Narc and you have noticed certain things and now you even respond to him. You say you dont watch not even for informations but you openly invited Thor (Pirate Software) to have a podcast and talk about the game. And what you gonna talk about since you dont have the knowledge? It doesnt matter, the only thing that matters is him to accept so you can put your name next to his and more eyes will see you. Thats how you try to increase your numbers and its totaly understandable cause your content is not even mediocre. Many people said in the past that those weird questions you and Annie ask are wrong, insulting and awkward and make many of the viewers uncomfortable and your replies were always full of irony and giggles. You talk about a guy who is by far the best AoC content creator with numbers that all the rest of you combine will never reach, and those numbers say a lot. People saw something to him and follow him. You are worry about his mental health (LOL) but you should take care yours and your wife's instead, thats a wise advise. I can go on and on and write a full e-say and thats because i have watched EVERY video/livestream of yours the last 5 months. Personaly i will continue watching you not because i like you or something but because i find your cringe/goofy/low iq style "entertaining" for my taste. And this will continue not only with you but with the majority of NA AoC content creators, i am gonna watch their videos until launch cause thats the closer i can get in the game, and after that i will say goodbye and i will never watch any of your videos ever again. You are NOT the AoC protector and you are NOT loving the game more than i do. And also i am not bot or fanboy of anyone. I start watching 15 different AoC content creators before 5 months and thats my honest opinion.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Bro if my content isn't for you don't watch. Idk what to tell you man and if I was chasing clout, I wouldn't make 4-5 hour reacts. Also yeah I would love to talk to Pirate about his thoughts on the game. I've also invited tons of other people on so I don't get your point.
      I don't care about clicks or views and that kinda comes across with the style of content I make. If I wanted clicks I would make content people could easily react to...

  • @ToMaSsS10
    @ToMaSsS10 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You know he's right but your wish for the game to be good blinds you kek

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean I really don't think he's right, thus my response 🤣

  • @user-rj4td5dh4p
    @user-rj4td5dh4p 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    $120 over 2 years is $5 a month. This is what Narc is being an *ss about. I seriously feel very sad for him.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just don't get it dude, it's hard for me to understand the outrage.

    • @Skull7Prayer
      @Skull7Prayer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then dont feel sad

  • @krazee1234
    @krazee1234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Narc bans and then reinstates people all the time. It is a badge of honour in his community.

    • @demonovMX
      @demonovMX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      enjoy being banned for nothing ? i don't

  • @yous2244
    @yous2244 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Well he's right, you cultists started attacking new players who were upset about the alpha keys by mocking them, calling them idiots who dont understand the rocket science of AOC, how it's an alpha etc. A 9 years old alpha.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Bro I just look at the cost of keys and gave my opinion and said people need to calm the fuck down, it's not that serious lol

    • @yous2244
      @yous2244 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TangentsofCreation no you kept saying how uts just a test, it's not game and if you don't want to buy it just don't.

    • @lored4922
      @lored4922 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@yous2244you should watch the video first before commenting maybe :)

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Right, I did. That's been my stand point the entire time going back to kick starter. Is that a problem?

    • @Acid_hail
      @Acid_hail 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@yous2244 well that is a valid, right? It is the alpha test and not a full game

  • @Auld17
    @Auld17 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When Narc said the thing about "racists and sexists" he came off super gay. But to be fair, when you said you "had a super inclusive community" you were kind of doubling down on the gay. Why should anyone care how inclusive your community is? But I still like you better than Narc fwiw.

  • @oboumoura5130
    @oboumoura5130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TH-cam drama, your all babys, lol

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will admit, this is the dumbest drama I've ever been a part of 🤣

  • @DeTofuKing
    @DeTofuKing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Copium is basically Narcs brand. To say fuck Copium is basically saying fuck Narc. He has been saying he’s high on Copium since day one of his channel.
    The main problem is he felt Attacked. You should just apologize for making him feel attacked, and less of you trying to defend your actions. You don’t resolve an argument by acting in a way that makes you look like the good one.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate your feed back!
      This is my post that gave me the idea. I'm not going to apologize for someone feeling attacked when I literally did nothing to them.
      x.com/JamieKaos/status/1824819352165662876
      Also the post where he probably go the image from, where again, I didn't even mention the guy.
      x.com/JamieKaos/status/1825910129264406737
      If he didn't want my response, he could have just not added my merch into his video.

    • @DeTofuKing
      @DeTofuKing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation after reading your comment, and going to those links my statement still is what it is.
      You feel you did nothing wrong. I get that. You feel like you have nothing to apologize for, again I understand.
      However, Copium is Narcs brand and you made a product that goes against his branding in a harsh way.
      The way you’re focusing on defending your actions is not a good look, maybe consider other people’s feelings.

    • @saltysoldierleatherworking6815
      @saltysoldierleatherworking6815 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Copium is a word that was derived from a rap album title back in 2003 and reintroduced into social media in the way of a cartoon frog. So no, it isn't basically Narcs brand.

    • @DeTofuKing
      @DeTofuKing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@saltysoldierleatherworking6815when it’s at the end of every single one of his videos since the start of his channel, sorry I disagree with you. I’m done with this channel. Been a great run but y’all think this dude got the green light, but he just ran a red.

    • @saltysoldierleatherworking6815
      @saltysoldierleatherworking6815 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@DeTofuKing All I am saying is copium has been used excessively in the gaming community and was around way before his channel. So to say it's Narc's brand just because he says it alot is a unfaithful argument.

  • @ridmiIy
    @ridmiIy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The world ... or maybe just the western world has gone mad. People dont understand each other anymore. I am leaving the west.

    • @TangentsofCreation
      @TangentsofCreation  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's outrage culture man, it's just everywhere. If you don't hard stance and agree you're a problem I guess.

    • @ridmiIy
      @ridmiIy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentsofCreation ironically these where similar trends that lead to the infamous Dark Ages. Idiots set to repeat history