The sound design in this cinematic sold me on it the most. You can "feel" the weight of the combat and the seriousness of the events unfolding so distinctly
@@sdwone It's not that simple really. It's one thing to make high render hyper-compressed story shorts with an emotional impact, and a whole other thing to make a 90-minute feature film. For one, a feature film with this quality of CGI would take almost an year or more just to render. Second, it would need more than just a cinematic story writer, somebody who can provide proper dialogue, screenplay for 90 minutes, and a looooooot of dedicated mo-cap. 5-6 min shorts are not the best indicator of a good feature film. Case and Point - Suicide Squad and Justice League trailers vs the actual movies. The warcraft movie is a prime example of a hit or miss feature film. Oh and not to mention, it would cost upwards of 300-500mil $, if not almost as much as Avengers Endgame did. That's a lot of money for Blizzard to invest into a 50-50 venture. That being said, Yes, I'd pay top dollar to see a feature film put out by them if they ever decide to do so.
@@Sykretts I agree in part. I think John Doe wasn't referring to the high quality of the CGI but of the design choices behind the cinematic (sound design being focused on here, but the cinematography/storytelling/storyboarding is exquisite as well). While it'd be more difficult to maintain such high-quality curation of artistic ideas through a feature film compared to a cinematic, there's a long and proud tradition of cinematographers, creatives and designers getting larger opportunities off the successes of smaller projects. And I think since these recent cinematic have been so clear in storytelling and subtle in structure, it's evidence of consistency of quality and leads to valid questions about if this creative team had the task of crafting a feature-length. That being said, you're totally right with the limitations of the visual processing time and cost of expanding this type of product to a feature-length film.
Sometimes you can pinpoint, with split-second accuracy, the exact moment you are sold on a concept. Sometimes they're little, subtle moments. Sometimes, they are not.
@@Hadrian1616 me, too. He reminds me of one of my favorite college literary professors. I loved the reading. I loved it even more after he lectured on the reading.
I just realized that the "reverse waterfall" at 23:57 is like a perfect reversal to the opening in the ocean that the ships fall into when entering Nazjatar for the first time in 8.2.
His videos are pretty damned rushed now. They either have big mistakes in them (which never get corrected), are repeated information from previous videos, and a lot are pretty heavily using "doom and gloom" to try and get more views. Also him and a chunk of his community seem to think they're gods at writing and game development, which I find very funny.
@@bobless1479 Ugh yeah, Bellular is pretty annoying when it comes to his critiques about the story and lore and simply not really knowing much about it. He is ok at game-mechanic critiques but not exactly my favorite WoW content guy.Seems more quantity than quality.
@@bobless1479 I dont have anything against the guy but I agree that lately he's been doing a lot of mistakes when it comes to news like saying that Blizzard lied about them trying to do better with the whole Hearthstone tournament situation because of a tweet that had happened BEFORE Blizzcon but he presented it like it happened after and yes also that he seems to call the story bad every time it doesnt go towards the direction he seemed to want. Again, nothing personal against him but as someone who has been following him for a while these changes do have me worried.
"cof, cof... to the chest... an arrow to the chest.... three of them actually... with dark chains incorporated... my knees are ok btw, thanks for asking..."
It is kind of intriguing that, Saurfang left a scar on her, much like his brother Broxigar left a scar on The Dark Titan. Intentional? Does it tell us something about the future of the Banshee Queen? We'll find out. Great job, Tali.
@@bellial974 the worst course this game can take is that. she deserves a villain's end after all or else it will leave a sour taste on our lips for all eternity. look at us we still mock and make memes out of kerrigan. do sylvanus justice and give her villain's end.
Sylvanas: "This world is a Prison" *allies herself with someone literally calling itself the Jailor* Sylvanas: "And I will set us free" Soooo... Sylvanas Endgame is also to kill the Jailor? Just, similarly to Demon Hunters and Warlocks using the Fel against the Legion, using the Jailors power against itself? Also, I know they said on BlizzCon that the powers of the Scourge pretty much came from the Necrolords faction, but.. Jailor. Entity in a Crown. "Bound by a Throne, he is not". Blue Eyes just as the Lich King's. "That power will be your Prison". Was the Lich King just the Azeroth embodiment of the Jailor? Frostmourn trapping all the souls inside? So many potential references here..
I think the Lich King tapped into more than just the Necrolords. The San'layn / Blood DKs are way too similar to the Venthyr for that to be a coincidence.
Exactly, there are a LOT of clues hinting towards Sylvanas not being the big bad, not even being on the side of the big bad. And the fact that we got to see Illidan recontextualized recently enough means I do think the same is coming for Sylvanas. She has to be more than Garrosh 2.0, they have already literally confirmed it.
I’m thinking along these lines too. No one really wants her dead. Now her sisters are back. What if The Jailor is an entity that doesn’t belong, that maybe the scourge and/or Old Gods put into place. The Arbiter is the true being and the Jailer is the usurper allowing Arthas to raise the dead to this zombie form.
Also, in before we find out, "There must always be a Jailer" and the Jailer is the equivalent of the Lich King on their side of the barrier. And then after we kill the Jailer (gasp), Sylvie unifies the jobs and takes both, becoming the Lich Jailer. The Jailer Queen? The Ultimate Warden? Look, there's a reason I'm just a hack and don't write for Blizzard.
This (or something like it) is even more likely if it's revealed she kept the 2nd part of the crown, she kept the one without the gem though so I guess she'll miss out on a % or two of shadow resistance, bummer :/
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The same smirk she had in the Saurfang Cinematic when he says"cause you want to see me suffer." Also she uses her last arrow to pierce the saronite spike. Then it particularly lands in a spot where she knows she will need it later on in the fight.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! I love your cinematic analysis's the best because they are always so well thought out and you tend to notice things that no one else does. So excited to finally be able to sit down and watch!
My hot take - the Valkyr were the Jailer's emissaries in Edge of Night. She didn't literally meet him, but contact was established. Additionally, I don't think Teldrassil was meant to be burned still. Why? Because Malfurion was supposed to die - and the anima of his soul would have been worth more than most of the civilians in Teldrassil combined.
Nope, you’re wrong. Malfurion is no more than a simple archdruid that is hailed as a hero by his people. Sylvanas would’ve burned down Teldrassil regardless because her goal was to kill as many people as she could.
@@lonefish8128 The way the devs described anima, I think it safe to say that "simple archdruid" has WAY more than the civilians did. Remember, anima is accrued through life experiences. Farmers, bakers, children, etc. don't have much but heroes do. Maybe she would have burned it down eventually, but Malfurion, with all his life experiences dating back to the War of the Ancients, would have collected more anima than almost any other living hero in the lore.
@@jdcole7065 OH O H OH. That may be why she burned Teldrassil anyway. They were all elves. Many of them thousands of years old. Why go for dwarves or gnomes or humans if what you're looking for is as much anima in as little effort as possible? Kill all the enemy elves - they'll just have more anima per person by virtue of having lived many times the lifespan of any mortal. Then you've got your war for even more anima on both sides. Killing the blood elves would likely have been just as good anima-wise, but being the Horde leader, taking out the night elves was probably the best possible thing she could have done if her aim was as much anima as she could get. Of course, Malfurion would have been fantastic for that - and also her trap at Lordaeron. All those Alliance leaders in that throne room? If she could have taken out Anduin Wrynn, Genn Greymane, Jaina Proudmoore with all her history and power, not to mention Alleria and her thousands of years of war...
amouramarie oh lord, I hadn’t even begun to think about Lordaeron - but based on the context of anima-harvesting, that also makes PERFECT sense. She was probably a little annoyed Jaina saved everyone, except that meant the war went on for longer. Do you think it’s safe to say she was secretly happy Rastakhan died too in Dazar’alor? The old Zandalari king must’ve had a hefty chunk of anima.
@@jdcole7065 Oh, probably. I doubt she cared about him in the least, other than as useful fuel. Which, considering we are champions of our planet now, who advise kings and oversee war campaigns, kill old gods and aspects, timetravel, and treat with titans, could be said about us as well. We probably have a fair amount of anima she could be eyeing. I'm gonna be pretty suspicious of her if she ever asks me to do something. :p
Charles C maybe the helmet being worn for the last 11 years has caused some physical properties... i mean arthas didn’t go back to human skin color when he was defeated, maybe some “domination” is still inside of Bolvar
No it can't i just studied the blade and couldn't find it. If you wanna call this a rune on his forehead it's in the shape of a W almost which you can't find on frostmourne.
@@navyverdant8672 Arthas changes skin color before becoming the Lich King. When he transitioned to a death knight. I was actually surprised how human he remained after being the Lich King for so long. But I figured they wanted to inspire feels for his human side, as it was the last we saw of it. Oh I miss the sweet sweet voice of the original Arthas so much.
@@navyverdant8672 Just MAYBE Bolvar still has some Lich abilities inside him, imparted to him via the helm and bolstered by dragon fire as possibly evidenced by the rune and Bolvar discovers he no longer needs the helm even if it means he functions as a Lich King with diminished power. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the helm somehow reforged and restored in the end. " There must ALWAYS be a Lick King. "
I didn't think of that because they were so clearly antagonists...but you're right, jeeze. She set him free from his prison. And looked like a villain while doing it lol.
30:51 You said Calia, but you meant to say Taelia. And as for the Jailer. Disagree all you want, but I think he is going to turn on Sylvanas. When finally, he has all he needs from her and she is no longer useful to him. He could rip the powers he gave her back into himself and trigger shadowlands takeover of everything and everyone.
I have only just realised that at 28:14 in the video you can see Sylvanas ascend into the Maw as her cloudy / Floaty form. A nice little detail that I missed as I did begin to wonder how she goes to the ShadowLands.
@@nowanloka4302 That's Bolvar not the Lich King, The Lich King was the mixed persona and the position of the Scourge leader. I won't believe it to be otherwise unless there'll be a proof in Shadowlands.
i love that you put the soundtrack of the cinematic behind your commentary in a way that it seemed like it continued.. little detials like that are so awesome
The potential for power in the crown is what she refers to. Bolvar has done literally nothing to build his power via the helmet. She didn't easily break It, shes spent a decade building her own power.
Jotta H. Agreed potential of helm is unknown maybe cosmic level. Dont forget this last scene show sylvanas more powerful then saronite not inside of helm.
As always, appreciate your analysis Taliesin. I wish I were at all excited for this like you are, but I appreciate that that there are still some out there excited for this stuff. It's *almost* infectious...almost.
in german we have a saying "was interessiert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern" / " what interests me my gossip from yesterday". so they dont care. because we need more over the top stuff in the game.
@@Stalkingwolf They DO care otherwise they would have done all the shit the community wanted them to do with the racesm, because Terenas (who we dont even know if it TRULY was Terenas) said "There must always be a Lich King" that doesnt mean that there WILL always be a Lich King, it just means that its really important to have one to keep the Scourge imprisoned.
@@tzoanast1061 Exactly. I've said this in a number of other comment threads elsewhere. "There must always be a Lich King" because otherwise the Scourge will go berserk, chaotically rampaging over whatever they can. Sylvanas doesn't care about any of that; in fact, all the death from it will now just feed into whatever link she has to the Maw that is feeding her power, granting her even more.
Marika Oniki Not only that, they’ve confirmed that what Terenas warned about will come to pass. There will be another Scourge invasion as the 9.0 pre-expansion event.
Something to note/think about to ground your Theory Tali: Those undead soldiers in the initial sequence who are wary of her, are most likely Post-Wrath Gate undead which means they not only do potentially recognize her but also recognize her as responsible for their deaths. So I think that respect/fear is happening on many levels and one of them being the remnants/memories of their humanity which was cut short by her blight.
There are two things i would really love your opinion on, that might or might not be connected (both t&e and everyone reading this): 1. The lich king, including his armor and frostmourne, was created by kil'jaeden (and some nathrezim) out of the disembodied Ner'zhul, so why exactly is his power connected to the shadowlands in such a fundamental way that it shatters the border of the two worlds when the crown of domination breaks? 2. This might be explained by the same means as 1, but why is Torghast right above Icecrown Citadel? The citadel was build around the original seat of Ner'zhul who was palced there to undermine Azeroth and prepare it for the invasion of the Burning Legion, so it would be strange to assume it was intended to be above/beneath Torghast, which presumably existed long before everything on Azeroth. While i do like a lot of the revealed stuff, this is really something that puts me off in terms of story, since i don't see any logical explanation that can fully justify what happens there. I hope somebody else can or they explain it later on.
Steffen Strübing yeah needs to be explained very well otherwise it’s just a ‘retcon because we need this to make sense otherwise it’s random as’ Like if they tweak it to say that because of the massive death energy involved in ICC over the years that the maw was drawn to it and that’s why the veil is thin there that’ll make more sense, instead of “ohhh it was like that the whole time you just didn’t know” Same thing with the helm and frostmourne, if KJ and the Dreadlords got it from the shadowlands that would make sense instead of “nah we said that before but not anymore coz we need it to make sense” All will come down to their handling of the story, if they just ignore the old lore then it will be a shit show....obviously ;) BUT if they just put subtle twists or add onto the established lore, then i think it’ll work
3:50 where did this get explained? some external book? sometimes i feel i dont know whats going on by simple playing the game. maybe they should explain this stuff IN the game.
Great one, as alwyas! Especially interesting was to hear your analysis of battle. But.. Yeah, I am little bit surprised that you didn't pointed out how Bolvar talks to Sylvanas. He doesn't mad at her... he warns her. With knowledge, with some form of compassion even. He literally spitting out the word *"power"* as if it was something disgusting to him. And in fact, it is. Unlike Arthas, he understends that this power is a true damnation, and receiving this power, you will be imprisoned by it. Just like Arthas was. I think that proves us that Bolvar’s willpower is very strong and all this time he fought cursed power of Lich King, and unlike Arthas, Bolvar won this battle.
And, just like Arthas, had a banshe pain in the ass.... But yes, I agree... he beleaved that she wanted the crown... that means that, even with the powers of the lich king, he didn't know nothing about what she was planing
I mean, I know it wasn’t included in the video. But I can’t wait for theTyrande Sylvanas showdown. Two super powered bad asses getting down. Sounds amazing!!!
@@dushas9871 Two things: Firstly, she had just received the power there and will not have known what it may now have changed. On the other hand there was one of Sylvanas Val'kyr who stopped her. If we assume that the Valkyr are part of the partnership between Sylvanas and the Jailer, they should have enormous power. And Nathanos is the lover boy of Sylvanas. This is not a simple forsaken.
sylvanus is gonna win esily. im sorry but blizzard will pull kerrigan2.0(wont grant her well deserved villain's end and reward her just for being a vile creature) with sylvanus and eliminate every obstacle before her. we are now officially playing world of sylvanus. this charade wont end in a satisfactory way sadly.
Of course we're still hyped about it and or course we're gonna watch. It's Taliesin doing cinematic analysis on the Shadowlands cinematic. It's a no brainer. And yes, that bit where Sylvanas looks right at the camera as she raises the helm. I love that bit.
The end of shadowlands: - There must always be a Jailer * Sylvanas appears from a smoke - I'm giving you 30 seconds to leave the maw, now it's my playground, hahaha
@@mandresg Except in one of the interviews at Blizzcon, they asked Ion if she was going to the Shadowlands to exact revenge upon Arthas and Ion said it was "beneath her," that she was way beyond that.
Personally I want Sylvanas to kill the jailer at the end of the expansion and claim the Maw for herself. THEN I want her to have her own faction and playable race based there.
Man I love your views on these cinematics, including the art and the details. Great work from the art-departmend, I wish I could be hyped like you are.
Taliesin that cinematic was anything but FUN ! To see a character you love and have a mary sue come out of no where and demolish it was the most heartbreaking experience. This is no better than the scene with Arya and the night king.
There was a video a while back, I don't remember which one now, but I remember Taliesin referenced Chronicle and said something like, "Don't tell Pyromancer I'm taking this seriously". Maybe that was it, or at least part of some longer argument or something.
I'm like 90% sure we're going to see a quest line to fix the lich king helmet, I doubt that this is the last we've seen of him! Also, that shatter of reality, god I love how it goes "Tink... **BOOM**"
I didn't seen the imgaie, but when I opened my youtube to watch the cinematic, first video on the front page "bellular: LICH KING DESTROYED blah blah blah" so yeah..
"...mindlessly obeying Arthas' will until Illidan tried to melt Northrend" Mindlessly obeying NER'ZHULs will. Arthas is a poser. #rememberthetruelichking
Your comment about seeing the Bolvar shot in advance was spot on! This cinematic is amazing, and that moment was spoiled by already having seen it. And it is such a badass shot. No one likes spoilers.
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Yes I managed to say Sindragosa on the tape even though I was reading the word Alexstrasa from the screen. You are very clever for noticing.
Taliesin & Evitel It's fine, we just need to change the wowpedia entry and it will be canon.
Thanks for calling me clever :)
How did you manage to say it twice? Hahaha.
My mistake - it was three times!
Damn. He beat us to correcting it.
I'm just kind of imagining the dragons in Wyrmrest Temple loooking up when this is happening and going, "shit."
I'm imagining the Tuskarr looking up and going "Finally."
@@SadeGames LOL
Singing in Chorus: "Ooooh shit, this is bad..."
Right?!
What if Deaths of Chromie is actually tied to Shadowlands?
Singing "Oh Shit, this is bad", needs to be a recurring bit.
OH shit. THIS IS bad. OH no. HERE WE go
Reminds me of the Juggernaut music from Deadpool 2
I second this statement
This is fine... just a hole in the sky and no one to keep the undead in check... it's fine....
I laughed so hard at this that I had to pause the video for a solid 5 minutes.
Tirion: "The weight of such a burden."
Sylvanas: "To wield so much power."
Different perspectives of the Helm of Domination.
So true
Because she already wields enough of a burden. Hence, "This world, is a prison"
@@animelytical8354 I think "This world is a prison" is more literaly than most seem to think. It's literally a prison.
I wonder if part of Tirion wanted it for himself
@@howardhavardramberg333 He was tempted for sure.
Am I gonna watch some geek explain a cinematic I've watched hundreds of times?
Why, yes. Mostly because him being right is canon.
It is written: “every word from the mouth of Taliesin shall be canon”.
Look...only one thing matters now...if we don't find Mankirk's wife in the Shadowlands then we should riot...
This needs more upvotes.
Taliesin: "Threw herself down. Backwards. From Icecrown. And broke herself..."
Me: "...upon my body."
@Neomagam When she broke the helmet. Ner'Zul's soul has freed himself from it. This helmet was his prison
Wrong expansion dude, Ozruk is from Cata, not WotLK.
@@alwolf7431 Relax, it wasn't a lore joke. It was an Orzuk joke.
You think when she hit those stones she had time to feel the strength of the earth?
@@MrZriael lol, her cycle is complete.
More importantly, the last quote, "A protector has fallen. The World's Heart lies exposed!"
The sound design in this cinematic sold me on it the most. You can "feel" the weight of the combat and the seriousness of the events unfolding so distinctly
now that you say it
Agreed 100%. The highlight, for me, was the sound of Bolvar's hammer strikes coming through the fog seemingly with the weight of a train behind them.
Seriously, if the guys and gals behind these cinematics ever decide to do to a feature length movie... They could easily make BILLIONS of dollars...
@@sdwone It's not that simple really. It's one thing to make high render hyper-compressed story shorts with an emotional impact, and a whole other thing to make a 90-minute feature film. For one, a feature film with this quality of CGI would take almost an year or more just to render. Second, it would need more than just a cinematic story writer, somebody who can provide proper dialogue, screenplay for 90 minutes, and a looooooot of dedicated mo-cap. 5-6 min shorts are not the best indicator of a good feature film. Case and Point - Suicide Squad and Justice League trailers vs the actual movies.
The warcraft movie is a prime example of a hit or miss feature film.
Oh and not to mention, it would cost upwards of 300-500mil $, if not almost as much as Avengers Endgame did. That's a lot of money for Blizzard to invest into a 50-50 venture.
That being said, Yes, I'd pay top dollar to see a feature film put out by them if they ever decide to do so.
@@Sykretts I agree in part. I think John Doe wasn't referring to the high quality of the CGI but of the design choices behind the cinematic (sound design being focused on here, but the cinematography/storytelling/storyboarding is exquisite as well). While it'd be more difficult to maintain such high-quality curation of artistic ideas through a feature film compared to a cinematic, there's a long and proud tradition of cinematographers, creatives and designers getting larger opportunities off the successes of smaller projects. And I think since these recent cinematic have been so clear in storytelling and subtle in structure, it's evidence of consistency of quality and leads to valid questions about if this creative team had the task of crafting a feature-length.
That being said, you're totally right with the limitations of the visual processing time and cost of expanding this type of product to a feature-length film.
By the way, small visual detail: when Sylvanas steps into frame, it's a mirror of Arthas stepping into frame in WotLK's opening cinematic.
that scene of the glass breaking effect of the sky, is just fucking insane. like, it's so perfect i could watch that scene 1000 times. goose bumps
Sometimes you can pinpoint, with split-second accuracy, the exact moment you are sold on a concept. Sometimes they're little, subtle moments. Sometimes, they are not.
23:54 "insert strong female character breaking the glass ceiling jokes here" lmaoo
Best joke ever...like srsly :D
"Bolvar, having used his army of the dead, and that shit has a 8 minute cooldown...." lol
bolvar used 2 hander as frost thats why he lost
and he had wotlk gear
Thats fresh gear btw
Dont woosh me rats
He's an old school frost DK at that moment, when frost wielded 2h as a tank spec, good ol' days.
Maybe the gear is just a mog lol
Time warped gear
He did a bad job managing his ccs and cds.
"oh no, she's really done it now, oh heck she put a hole right in the sky, Sylvanas put a hole in the sky!"
Favorite part xD
So funny lmao
Hahah, mine too! XD
Sylvanas: Says one word
Tali: So... (proceeds to give commentary on just one word and visuals of cinematic).... :)
"Icecrown..." *dissertation*
that's exactly what I am here for.....Taliesen deep dive.
@@Hadrian1616 me, too. He reminds me of one of my favorite college literary professors. I loved the reading. I loved it even more after he lectured on the reading.
Bellular would have a video for each word ''WHAT IT MEANS....?! WE DONT KNOW, WE'RE JUST REPORTING ABOUT IT''
"Knowledge is power."
There should be a version of this cinematic with Taliesin singing "Oh shit, this is bad! Oh no, she's really done it now!"
Alexstraza....it was Akexstraza’s fire. Sindragosa was the frostwyrm boss.
Just a little whoopsie daisy
No shit. He made a mistake how dare he?
A little mistake is acceptable, wether it’s Sindragosa, Alexstraza or Akexstraza.
It’s Alexstrasza
I cant believe Bolvar Rezed her just to get burned by her in the past, these are lore bombs right here
@@lizzytrip4560 bolvar never rezed her lol. Arthas did cause he was so sure of himself
"You don't expect me to still be hyped about it."
I guess Taliesin can't be right about *everything.*
Pssshhh. This could be a month later and I would gobble it up without hesitation.
This! No matter how much time passes between the cinematics and the deep dive, I'll wait for it like a drug addict for their next shot. I'm weak. xD
@@dreadfulsanity4686 drug addicts arent people that wait, that's kinda the problem 😉
I just realized that the "reverse waterfall" at 23:57 is like a perfect reversal to the opening in the ocean that the ships fall into when entering Nazjatar for the first time in 8.2.
It's okay Taliesin, not everyone can be a seemingly endless machine like Bellular.
Bellular has an entire team of people working for him, writing, editing, researching...
Pretty sure Taliesin just has Evitel to help.
@@abqfreedom6601 He also has the most boring monotone voice ever. Puts me to sleep.
His videos are pretty damned rushed now. They either have big mistakes in them (which never get corrected), are repeated information from previous videos, and a lot are pretty heavily using "doom and gloom" to try and get more views.
Also him and a chunk of his community seem to think they're gods at writing and game development, which I find very funny.
@@bobless1479 Ugh yeah, Bellular is pretty annoying when it comes to his critiques about the story and lore and simply not really knowing much about it. He is ok at game-mechanic critiques but not exactly my favorite WoW content guy.Seems more quantity than quality.
@@bobless1479 I dont have anything against the guy but I agree that lately he's been doing a lot of mistakes when it comes to news like saying that Blizzard lied about them trying to do better with the whole Hearthstone tournament situation because of a tweet that had happened BEFORE Blizzcon but he presented it like it happened after and yes also that he seems to call the story bad every time it doesnt go towards the direction he seemed to want. Again, nothing personal against him but as someone who has been following him for a while these changes do have me worried.
Tali: "I don't expect you to watch this"
Me "beech I've been WAITING for this"
Bolvar to Sylvanas: I used to be an undead boss like you, but I took an arrow to the knee
"cof, cof... to the chest... an arrow to the chest.... three of them actually... with dark chains incorporated... my knees are ok btw, thanks for asking..."
The first journey of our character to Shadowlands:
We pass out.
"Hey you, you're finally awake..."
Then, all of us got isekai-ed on the Shadowlands.
I love how he loops the dramatic music from the cinematic while he is talking.
It is kind of intriguing that, Saurfang left a scar on her, much like his brother Broxigar left a scar on The Dark Titan.
Intentional? Does it tell us something about the future of the Banshee Queen?
We'll find out.
Great job, Tali.
She is going to become a xel'naga to save us from Amon
@@bellial974 the worst course this game can take is that. she deserves a villain's end after all or else it will leave a sour taste on our lips for all eternity. look at us we still mock and make memes out of kerrigan. do sylvanus justice and give her villain's end.
Sylvanas: "This world is a Prison"
*allies herself with someone literally calling itself the Jailor*
Sylvanas: "And I will set us free"
Soooo... Sylvanas Endgame is also to kill the Jailor? Just, similarly to Demon Hunters and Warlocks using the Fel against the Legion, using the Jailors power against itself?
Also, I know they said on BlizzCon that the powers of the Scourge pretty much came from the Necrolords faction, but.. Jailor. Entity in a Crown. "Bound by a Throne, he is not". Blue Eyes just as the Lich King's. "That power will be your Prison". Was the Lich King just the Azeroth embodiment of the Jailor? Frostmourn trapping all the souls inside? So many potential references here..
#Sylvanasdidnothingwrong
I think the Lich King tapped into more than just the Necrolords. The San'layn / Blood DKs are way too similar to the Venthyr for that to be a coincidence.
Exactly, there are a LOT of clues hinting towards Sylvanas not being the big bad, not even being on the side of the big bad. And the fact that we got to see Illidan recontextualized recently enough means I do think the same is coming for Sylvanas. She has to be more than Garrosh 2.0, they have already literally confirmed it.
I’m thinking along these lines too. No one really wants her dead. Now her sisters are back. What if The Jailor is an entity that doesn’t belong, that maybe the scourge and/or Old Gods put into place. The Arbiter is the true being and the Jailer is the usurper allowing Arthas to raise the dead to this zombie form.
@Alex M Indeed. I think it funny when people assume too much and have already decided that it's bad/good. Patience, discipline. We will see in time.
"She's a pro raider" :D :D Awsome!!! I love your work!
@intempify no, it wasn't about soloing ICC, it was about knowing how to be a good tank of a raid.
25:00 - Poor Bolvar... "let's be honest, he had ONE job" lol. Very entertaining and thorough cinematic review as ever Tali :)
Beautiful speculation aside, Patty Mattson absolutely CHEWED this cinematic, she did such a lovely job
Who?
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 Sylvanas voice actor.
Oooh, neat.
@@gregdoriman I hate sylvanas post edge of night characterization, but goddam did they get an amazing voice actress for her
That's actually the Frozen Throne that Sylvanas was throwing. Like "eat your own throne" kind of move.
Also, in before we find out, "There must always be a Jailer" and the Jailer is the equivalent of the Lich King on their side of the barrier. And then after we kill the Jailer (gasp), Sylvie unifies the jobs and takes both, becoming the Lich Jailer. The Jailer Queen? The Ultimate Warden?
Look, there's a reason I'm just a hack and don't write for Blizzard.
Taking a screenshot, cause I think this 100% of what will happen
Not gonna lie, the second I saw it I assumed her big plan is to become the new jailer
Sylvie 2020, make the upside down great again.
This (or something like it) is even more likely if it's revealed she kept the 2nd part of the crown, she kept the one without the gem though so I guess she'll miss out on a % or two of shadow resistance, bummer :/
If she really wants to rule all souls that'd be the way to do it.
Everytime tali says sindrigosa I die a little inside
I really loved your guys live weekly reset! You guys became my favorite WoW TH-camrs so much so, that even though I don't play anymore, I still really enjoy your content ❤️
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As opposed to what Tali might think, no literal tables were turned in this cinematic.
The same smirk she had in the Saurfang Cinematic when he says"cause you want to see me suffer." Also she uses her last arrow to pierce the saronite spike. Then it particularly lands in a spot where she knows she will need it later on in the fight.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! I love your cinematic analysis's the best because they are always so well thought out and you tend to notice things that no one else does. So excited to finally be able to sit down and watch!
My hot take - the Valkyr were the Jailer's emissaries in Edge of Night. She didn't literally meet him, but contact was established.
Additionally, I don't think Teldrassil was meant to be burned still. Why? Because Malfurion was supposed to die - and the anima of his soul would have been worth more than most of the civilians in Teldrassil combined.
Nope, you’re wrong. Malfurion is no more than a simple archdruid that is hailed as a hero by his people. Sylvanas would’ve burned down Teldrassil regardless because her goal was to kill as many people as she could.
@@lonefish8128 The way the devs described anima, I think it safe to say that "simple archdruid" has WAY more than the civilians did. Remember, anima is accrued through life experiences. Farmers, bakers, children, etc. don't have much but heroes do.
Maybe she would have burned it down eventually, but Malfurion, with all his life experiences dating back to the War of the Ancients, would have collected more anima than almost any other living hero in the lore.
@@jdcole7065 OH O H OH. That may be why she burned Teldrassil anyway. They were all elves. Many of them thousands of years old. Why go for dwarves or gnomes or humans if what you're looking for is as much anima in as little effort as possible? Kill all the enemy elves - they'll just have more anima per person by virtue of having lived many times the lifespan of any mortal. Then you've got your war for even more anima on both sides. Killing the blood elves would likely have been just as good anima-wise, but being the Horde leader, taking out the night elves was probably the best possible thing she could have done if her aim was as much anima as she could get. Of course, Malfurion would have been fantastic for that - and also her trap at Lordaeron. All those Alliance leaders in that throne room? If she could have taken out Anduin Wrynn, Genn Greymane, Jaina Proudmoore with all her history and power, not to mention Alleria and her thousands of years of war...
amouramarie oh lord, I hadn’t even begun to think about Lordaeron - but based on the context of anima-harvesting, that also makes PERFECT sense. She was probably a little annoyed Jaina saved everyone, except that meant the war went on for longer.
Do you think it’s safe to say she was secretly happy Rastakhan died too in Dazar’alor? The old Zandalari king must’ve had a hefty chunk of anima.
@@jdcole7065 Oh, probably. I doubt she cared about him in the least, other than as useful fuel. Which, considering we are champions of our planet now, who advise kings and oversee war campaigns, kill old gods and aspects, timetravel, and treat with titans, could be said about us as well. We probably have a fair amount of anima she could be eyeing. I'm gonna be pretty suspicious of her if she ever asks me to do something. :p
Sylvanas breaking the Helm was probably one of the most cathartic experiences ever for her...... we stan.
The rune on Bolvar's forehead can be seen on Frostmourne.
Charles C maybe the helmet being worn for the last 11 years has caused some physical properties... i mean arthas didn’t go back to human skin color when he was defeated, maybe some “domination” is still inside of Bolvar
No it can't i just studied the blade and couldn't find it. If you wanna call this a rune on his forehead it's in the shape of a W almost which you can't find on frostmourne.
@@navyverdant8672 Arthas changes skin color before becoming the Lich King. When he transitioned to a death knight. I was actually surprised how human he remained after being the Lich King for so long. But I figured they wanted to inspire feels for his human side, as it was the last we saw of it. Oh I miss the sweet sweet voice of the original Arthas so much.
I was thinking the runes carved into his flesh might have been from Arthas torturing him and trying to bend him to his will.
@@navyverdant8672 Just MAYBE Bolvar still has some Lich abilities inside him, imparted to him via the helm and bolstered by dragon fire as possibly evidenced by the rune and Bolvar discovers he no longer needs the helm even if it means he functions as a Lich King with diminished power. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the helm somehow reforged and restored in the end. " There must ALWAYS be a Lick King. "
"He might not be Arthas, but he ain't nothin', ya know?"
Sylvanas kept a lot of emphasis on the ALL , when she said her last words
I love this guy because his enthusiasm is contagious
I thought the whispers was the Helm whispering to her to put it on.
When she says "I will set us ALL free", when she says "all" she looks at Bolvar...cuz she literally set him free seconds ago as well.
I didn't think of that because they were so clearly antagonists...but you're right, jeeze. She set him free from his prison. And looked like a villain while doing it lol.
@Berserker free from being the lich king 🙄
I love these breakdowns, there are so many details I keep missing that I am grateful for the effort put into videos like these.
So true there fun and it makes playing the game going forward imo.
The veil of reality shattering is one of the most amazing scenes I've ever seen in any media.
Sylvanas: Icecrown.....
Tali: (PAUSES) So, let's talk about that!
30:51 You said Calia, but you meant to say Taelia.
And as for the Jailer. Disagree all you want, but I think he is going to turn on Sylvanas. When finally, he has all he needs from her and she is no longer useful to him. He could rip the powers he gave her back into himself and trigger shadowlands takeover of everything and everyone.
Nothing like waking up and having some Saturday morning cartoons to watch ❤️
If they made Saturday morning cartoons like that i'd watch them all week long!
Tali, when the tables literally and figuratively turned, I didn't see any tables....?
I think it was the direction the camera was facing.
The music you hear is what you hear when you die, so they're more than just "string notes."
My absolute favorite thing on this channel! Thank you for posting this at last! I've still been hype over the cinematic, honestly.
We've had a weekly reset live, can we have Taliesin Ted Talk now?
I have only just realised that at 28:14 in the video you can see Sylvanas ascend into the Maw as her cloudy / Floaty form. A nice little detail that I missed as I did begin to wonder how she goes to the ShadowLands.
Fans: "We love Lich King! We want the Lich King expansion!"
Blizzard: "We should kill the Lich King in introduction of the new expansion"
He's not dead. He plays a very important part in the beginnings and probably throughout this entire expansion.
@@nowanloka4302 That's Bolvar not the Lich King, The Lich King was the mixed persona and the position of the Scourge leader. I won't believe it to be otherwise unless there'll be a proof in Shadowlands.
@@nowanloka4302 Bolvar is alive, but the Lich Ling as entity should be dead, I believe.
@@Eagletwohead
The Lich King, Dead.
Bolvar, Crispy.
Ner'Zhul... Free?
I'm still salty about the helmet being broken.
I also find it quiet interesting that the reality / plane breach / barrier is coloured like Azerith.
i love that you put the soundtrack of the cinematic behind your commentary in a way that it seemed like it continued.. little detials like that are so awesome
There is only one question, that need an answer: When we kill Sylvanas, what mount she will drop?
Invincible, damnit! 😄😂
Nathanos
She will drop a brain mount called “4000D Chess Player”
@@Groxigar Yeah, everyone wants to ride on this old steed XD
Maybe we can get mist travel
I utterly adore these videos, and the benefit of having incorporated all the Q&As etc. really made it a better product.
"To wield.... such power..." - Sylvanas, after easily defeating that power.
I think she was in reference to the power she has to rip it in half
The potential for power in the crown is what she refers to.
Bolvar has done literally nothing to build his power via the helmet.
She didn't easily break It, shes spent a decade building her own power.
Jotta H. Agreed potential of helm is unknown maybe cosmic level. Dont forget this last scene show sylvanas more powerful then saronite not inside of helm.
Bolvar was a weak lich king
As always, appreciate your analysis Taliesin. I wish I were at all excited for this like you are, but I appreciate that that there are still some out there excited for this stuff. It's *almost* infectious...almost.
"There must always be a Lich King"
Blizzard: Actually nvm.
There is a difference between "There MUST always be a Lich King" and "There WILL always be a Lich King". Understand that difference.
in german we have a saying "was interessiert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern" / "
what interests me my gossip from yesterday". so they dont care. because we need more over the top stuff in the game.
@@Stalkingwolf They DO care otherwise they would have done all the shit the community wanted them to do with the racesm, because Terenas (who we dont even know if it TRULY was Terenas) said "There must always be a Lich King" that doesnt mean that there WILL always be a Lich King, it just means that its really important to have one to keep the Scourge imprisoned.
@@tzoanast1061 Exactly. I've said this in a number of other comment threads elsewhere. "There must always be a Lich King" because otherwise the Scourge will go berserk, chaotically rampaging over whatever they can. Sylvanas doesn't care about any of that; in fact, all the death from it will now just feed into whatever link she has to the Maw that is feeding her power, granting her even more.
Marika Oniki Not only that, they’ve confirmed that what Terenas warned about will come to pass. There will be another Scourge invasion as the 9.0 pre-expansion event.
Something to note/think about to ground your Theory Tali:
Those undead soldiers in the initial sequence who are wary of her, are most likely Post-Wrath Gate undead which means they not only do potentially recognize her but also recognize her as responsible for their deaths. So I think that respect/fear is happening on many levels and one of them being the remnants/memories of their humanity which was cut short by her blight.
There are two things i would really love your opinion on, that might or might not be connected (both t&e and everyone reading this):
1. The lich king, including his armor and frostmourne, was created by kil'jaeden (and some nathrezim) out of the disembodied Ner'zhul, so why exactly is his power connected to the shadowlands in such a fundamental way that it shatters the border of the two worlds when the crown of domination breaks?
2. This might be explained by the same means as 1, but why is Torghast right above Icecrown Citadel? The citadel was build around the original seat of Ner'zhul who was palced there to undermine Azeroth and prepare it for the invasion of the Burning Legion, so it would be strange to assume it was intended to be above/beneath Torghast, which presumably existed long before everything on Azeroth.
While i do like a lot of the revealed stuff, this is really something that puts me off in terms of story, since i don't see any logical explanation that can fully justify what happens there. I hope somebody else can or they explain it later on.
Steffen Strübing yeah needs to be explained very well otherwise it’s just a ‘retcon because we need this to make sense otherwise it’s random as’
Like if they tweak it to say that because of the massive death energy involved in ICC over the years that the maw was drawn to it and that’s why the veil is thin there that’ll make more sense, instead of “ohhh it was like that the whole time you just didn’t know”
Same thing with the helm and frostmourne, if KJ and the Dreadlords got it from the shadowlands that would make sense instead of “nah we said that before but not anymore coz we need it to make sense”
All will come down to their handling of the story, if they just ignore the old lore then it will be a shit show....obviously ;) BUT if they just put subtle twists or add onto the established lore, then i think it’ll work
I hope this means we'll finally have an open world version of the frozen throne (and not the empty platform we have at the moment)
3:50 where did this get explained? some external book? sometimes i feel i dont know whats going on by simple playing the game. maybe they should explain this stuff IN the game.
Love when you make these kind of videos.
« Sindragosa’s fire » ?
Alextrasza you mean ;)
The chains Sylvanas is using look remarkably, and ironically, like the Death knight ability, "Death Chains"
www.wowhead.com/spell=203173/death-chain I want this spell
Great one, as alwyas! Especially interesting was to hear your analysis of battle. But.. Yeah, I am little bit surprised that you didn't pointed out how Bolvar talks to Sylvanas. He doesn't mad at her... he warns her. With knowledge,
with some form of compassion even. He literally spitting out the word *"power"* as if it was something disgusting to him. And in fact, it is.
Unlike Arthas, he understends that this power is a true damnation, and receiving this power, you will be imprisoned by it. Just like Arthas was.
I think that proves us that Bolvar’s willpower is very strong and all this time he fought cursed power of Lich King, and unlike Arthas, Bolvar won this battle.
And, just like Arthas, had a banshe pain in the ass....
But yes, I agree... he beleaved that she wanted the crown... that means that, even with the powers of the lich king, he didn't know nothing about what she was planing
at 30:50 I think it's daughter Taelia, not Calia.
I mean, I know it wasn’t included in the video. But I can’t wait for theTyrande Sylvanas showdown. Two super powered bad asses getting down. Sounds amazing!!!
super powered ass that couldn't kill a useless undead nobody aka Nathanos?
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Two things: Firstly, she had just received the power there and will not have known what it may now have changed. On the other hand there was one of Sylvanas Val'kyr who stopped her. If we assume that the Valkyr are part of the partnership between Sylvanas and the Jailer, they should have enormous power. And Nathanos is the lover boy of Sylvanas. This is not a simple forsaken.
sylvanus is gonna win esily. im sorry but blizzard will pull kerrigan2.0(wont grant her well deserved villain's end and reward her just for being a vile creature) with sylvanus and eliminate every obstacle before her. we are now officially playing world of sylvanus. this charade wont end in a satisfactory way sadly.
I was actually looking forward to this video. You're one of the only youtubers I actually watch regularly.
"giant scourge army" - with not even one single abomination nor one signle wyrm in sight
The very best part of a new WoW Cinematic is Taliesin's rundown of it afterward. It was worth the wait. TY Tali!
Welp, confirmed "Talie is right" being Canon, I guess sindragosa is the savior of Bolvar!
Talie: makes an oopsie
Blizz has to retcon all Wotlk bcse, "Talie is right"
@@hachajoe it's gotta be rough at blizz
Of course we're still hyped about it and or course we're gonna watch. It's Taliesin doing cinematic analysis on the Shadowlands cinematic. It's a no brainer.
And yes, that bit where Sylvanas looks right at the camera as she raises the helm. I love that bit.
The end of shadowlands:
- There must always be a Jailer
* Sylvanas appears from a smoke
- I'm giving you 30 seconds to leave the maw, now it's my playground, hahaha
She's so spiteful to Arthas, that she wants to become the Jailer in order to PERSONALLY torture Arthas for eternity.
@@mandresg Except in one of the interviews at Blizzcon, they asked Ion if she was going to the Shadowlands to exact revenge upon Arthas and Ion said it was "beneath her," that she was way beyond that.
@@MaxC.94 Sure, but I meant it purely as a joke.
Max [ mcaulfield ] of course... I’m sure she could take on the entire pantheon at once given the way she’s written her lately.....
Personally I want Sylvanas to kill the jailer at the end of the expansion and claim the Maw for herself. THEN I want her to have her own faction and playable race based there.
Still totally hyped over the cinematic reveal.
Man I love your views on these cinematics, including the art and the details. Great work from the art-departmend, I wish I could be hyped like you are.
The rune on Bolvar's head is in the image of Torghast, showing is bound to the 'prison of the dead'
Taliesin that cinematic was anything but FUN ! To see a character you love and have a mary sue come out of no where and demolish it was the most heartbreaking experience. This is no better than the scene with Arya and the night king.
I really enjoyed your break down of this cinmatic and the humor you have Is on point
... or maybe, it's just the Lich King ordering the undead to stand aside and let her pass, so that he - prey to his own confidence - can confront her.
I want to know what Taliesin said to trigger Pyromancer.
Amplify Magic by his latest video probably something about not trusting chronicles.
But yes I too would love to know the exact exchange. Bc pyro is still pretty salty about it
There was a video a while back, I don't remember which one now, but I remember Taliesin referenced Chronicle and said something like, "Don't tell Pyromancer I'm taking this seriously". Maybe that was it, or at least part of some longer argument or something.
What doesn't trigger Pyromancer?
@@Dejavuproned8 I love Pyromancer, he's been right about this all for quite some time, but yeah he gets sometimes really unnecessarily triggered
I'm like 90% sure we're going to see a quest line to fix the lich king helmet, I doubt that this is the last we've seen of him!
Also, that shatter of reality, god I love how it goes "Tink... **BOOM**"
So Sylvanas joined the Jailer covenant in the Maw and [Chain arrow] is hunter ability you get with it.
Shadow hunter class confirmed
re 21:57
That's also the same note from just before she orders the burning of Teldrassil!
Saurfang literally did more damage than the lich king lol, I really like your cinematics analysis Tali, thanks.
Saurfang had to use a legendary Light based weapon to hurt her.
I am extremely thankful that you made this analysis. I always look forward to them after each cinematic for the input you provide.
I didn't see the leaked image until after I watched the cinematic- I can confirm it was spine-tingling and I still get chills
I didn't seen the imgaie, but when I opened my youtube to watch the cinematic, first video on the front page "bellular: LICH KING DESTROYED blah blah blah" so yeah..
Love when you do these. Glad you didn’t put this off because the cinematic came out a week ago
"...mindlessly obeying Arthas' will until Illidan tried to melt Northrend" Mindlessly obeying NER'ZHULs will. Arthas is a poser. #rememberthetruelichking
Thank you!
Arthas had his own will though. Confirmed many times
These cinematics truly become soooo much better with your brilliant insights.
the music at the end of the trailer reminds me of the Movie Stargate if anyone else gets what I hear :D
is that movie worth watching?
I thought it sounded familiar and Stargate came to mind when I was first watching the trailer.
@@Ar1AnX1x one of my fave movies yes, tv show was amazing too
@@Corfield81 aight, thanks
omg, and you pull out Chekhov's Gun!! You are probably the most well-read gaming TH-cam content creator currently active! Dayum, dude!!
The two best things that has been added to cannon this year:
The flight ceiling
"Taliesin was right"
Your comment about seeing the Bolvar shot in advance was spot on! This cinematic is amazing, and that moment was spoiled by already having seen it. And it is such a badass shot. No one likes spoilers.