Whats ironic alhaitham not actually a single time he has insulted kaveh, like if you actually hear all of his comments again and actually you know try not to think hes brazen he actually complements him and has never once questioned his ability as an architect his comments has always referred to kaveh's clients
Same....I just got him tho so it's fun listening to his intellectual burns. One thing that annoys me about his job description is: The job pays well for doing mostly nothing, that's why i took it. Something along the lines of that
Their mind reading actually made me giggle. They're in full-on arguing mode, Kaveh worried sick about his drunk blabbering secret, going all out with long and emotional 5 or more lines of thoughts. While Al Haitham is just like oh damn there's dust on the shelves better clean up soon So freaking relatable, the Sumeru characters are so refreshing
its funny cause in the previous cutscene kaveh was telling alhaitham to sort his dusty books or if he is not gonna read them he should take them somewhere else. alhaithams thoughts were "there's dust on the bookshelves. I should tidy them up sometime and bring any unused book to the house of daena" . I think is a nice detail that even if alhaitham doesnt express it he actually listens to kaveh
@@Arxesm that s exaclty what i wanted to say. While kaveh was worried about what he said while beeing drunk, alhaitham was thinking about what kaveh pointed out. Idk why alhaitham helped kaveh, but we ll find out in the future.
"At least I don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client" - that was really rude and cruel... I feel bad for Kaveh
As a teacher who often works myself to near death just to make sure my students remember something by next week, and also has to do an utterly ridiculous amount of extracurricular and paperwork... I feel that on a spiritual level
I agree. This is a minus on Alhaitham for me since I like art and doing art myself. Edit: I didn't mean that I think Alhaitham is disrespectful to everyone and every single artist. Although I still like him as a character, I didn't like what he said, because even if he meant well (...somehow?) that's not how I talk to my friends.
he has the most expressive feature in genshin down to muscle movement, eyes dilation etc, it's so crazy how hyv put so much effort on him, assuming his rarity. Kaveh best bbg confirmed
Kaveh: "I took time out of my day to clean the living room for you, and this is the thanks I get for it?!" Alhaitham: "You're right, I should give you what all your clients give you... a smile" 🙂
This is legit a conversation between people that already know too much about each other and know where to hit but still keep being friend next day. rinse and repeat
"at least i don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client" as an artist this hurt me, alhaitham you're lucky i like you
To be fair, that was more of an insult to the clients than the designer - and I can get behind judging the "well, art is a hobby so you'll do it for free/exposure, right?" type of clients
oh god, as an architecture student my professors have been saying that pay in the architecture field is awful lmao. why does reality have to follow me even in-game? waah
@@ironyvstruthso from what I remembered from kaveh hidden dialogues. He was concerned of what did he do while being drunk and how did Al haitham knows about this. So, he starts to think it was a bar owner who told everyone about him being drunk That’s all I can remember. You could search Al haitham and kaveh hidden dialogues
I was ready to raid the whole mansion but the game said: You'll watch this scene again and you will like it. But at least it gave me the chance to screenshot Alhaitham dragging Kaveh hard
Kaveh: wait, what? How come you get a special treatment?! Alhaitam: idk, just ask the Dendro Archon Kaveh: o god of wisdom, may i ask how and why Alhaitam get a special treatment? Nahida: where were you when Sumeru is in big turmoil? Kaveh: uh, excuse me what? Nahida: exactly
They both are unbearable in two ways. Likable but unbearable. Kaveh lacking rationality and Alhaitham lacking compassion. They are like siblings TBH. But it's hard to say which one is the younger one. Edit: I didn't expect to get this many likes. TYSM!!! It's the most I have gotten in my life LOL.
Kaveh said "Can't you show a little respect for your senior and explain what's going on!?" in their second hidden interaction in the main story quest so Kaveh's likely older, but I think there's only a small difference in age
Yeahh I think depending on the person, one will be more unbearable than the other lol. Personally, I like Alhaitham more with his clear stance on things and boundaries. There is no confusion since he won't lie to you. I'm a bit bad with subtleties so he's so nice for me.
@@nikosaronim Saaame! I liked Haitham more for his rationality. Idk why people think he's being rude, but he's not intent of being insulting. He's just as honest as he could be.
He’s too relatable and probably envisions the spirit of too many people from the design team. It wouldn’t surprise me he’s been getting preferential treatment because they just love him too much.
the fact that it hurts most of you all meant that it is indeed true even in real life. Mostly anyone who works in the art industry have always been overworked and underpaid although times have been starting to change, we know it's still a prevalent issue.
I am now in the 3rd year of university and Kaveh is me.....interior designer, alcoholic and in debt....I want to play for this character, we'll get along well
Idk why people are so gungho about Alhaitham telling Kaveh that he doesn't make money from his artwork cuz like, that's basically the entire problem with Kaveh's character. He's too much of a people pleaser that he ended up getting scammed by the person that commissioned him to do architectural work (aka Dori) and the fact that he continues to be so gullible means he doesn't seem like he's going in a more favorable direction. Alhaitham respects Nilou's work since she at least has a good head on her shoulders. He doesn't respect Kaveh's work because Kaveh is too emotional and as a result is a lot less rational. He's not dissing the field of arts, he is dissing Kaveh's lifestyle specifically.
If Alhaitham really wants Kaveh to change, he should be more sensitive to how he raises his concern. All that technical explanation wouldn't be enough if he didn't choose his words carefully to tell Kaveh what to do.
@@alunsinus_prime i mean Kaveh should be self aware too. The fact that he got scammed by Dori to the point of went bankrupt and even losing place to stay should be a slap in his face. But it seems that to this day, he's still way too gullible and still sticking with his old work ethic. If im in Alhaitham position, i would speak way more harshly than that because why can't you be more aware of your client?? why you keep giving someone's else your job when yourself need that job badly too? really he brought this upon himself 🤷♀️
@@alunsinus_prime its not like they're in a good relationship based on Alhaitham character story. So really, i say Alhaitham is still pretty nice to Kaveh for someone that they no longer close with (they had a pretty bad fallout and never keep talking ever since. both seems to stubborn to ever talk things out too.)
@@alunsinus_prime It's barely tough love when all he's saying are facts. Alhaitham, like in the archon quest, just doesn't think it's worth having to sugarcoat his words. He doesn't hold back on Kaveh because he thinks that the guy needs to get some common sense and start to apply himself more. On the other hand, look at how highly and understanding he speaks of Dehya, who is someone thriving in such a cutthroat industry without losing sense of her own principle. He respects her for her capabilities and how she conducts herself. It just proves that it's not case of Alhaitham being unable to be nice, it just showcases how matter-of-fact the guy is. Literally a Diluc with less PR training.
the people who say that they hate each other don’t really see how alhaitham and kaveh perceive each other below that surface level of petty arguing. i am not saying you should or shouldn’t dislike either one of them, but the english translation’s shallow delivery was not very helpful because of all the nuances in the chinese text. to put it simply, it’s almost like how you argue with or insult your best friend all the time, but in reality, don’t mean those words. this analogy is not very good because it doesn’t quite portray their relationship accurately, but it’s the best one i can think of right now. their situation is cleared up in alhaitham’s character story 4. i won’t elaborate on the details, but it says that he actually thinks of kaveh as a “perfect mirror” for himself, due to their very opposing views and approaches to life. this is partly why he offered to have kaveh share a house with him. seeing kaveh is like seeing a reflection of himself, including all of the imperfections. by living with kaveh and constantly sharing each other’s opinions (through arguments), he can thus better and improve his own views and philosophy. i am not chinese so i can’t say anything about the deeper meanings of those words, however, it is easy to see that they really do hold respect for each other to a certain extent (i play in japanese). i just wanted to clear up some misunderstandings because i really dislike when people assume things and decide it’s fact when the truth is so far from that. i am unsure how to connect this to what i just wrote, but there is a chinese character analysis on alhaitham, where, due to the fact that they both similarly lack familial attachments, they can freely bicker with each other, without fear of abandonment
I stuck at this particular cutscene, constantly spawning before doors, going in, and enacting a cutscene. Managed to walk backwards to not trigger it. Definitely not a "hidden" one!
It was hidden enough! The doors opened automatically when I spawned in, but I didn't see the characters, nor did anything trigger when moved and I missed it entirely, I'M SO SAD 😭
Someone at Hoyoverse said, Let's make Diluc and Kaeya but instead of brothers their roommates. XD Honestly I really enjoy their bickering. I think it's funny that Kaveh is so damn worried about people knowing that he rooms with Alhaitham and Alhaithams just like, of you're so worried you could, yk, move out of my house.
@@fluffy_magnus They don't really fight but they still taunt each other like siblings here and there. Idk Kaveh and Alhaitham remind me of that ," I do care about your well being but to hell if I'll ever admit that to your face" vibe that Kaeya and Diluc give me.
@@lyarogers6101 I am really hoping for a story-quest one day where we learn their past, Kaveh said they used to be friends and you also would not let a random dude who you don't even like be your roommate. I might be reading too much into this, but either something happened in the past, hence the constat arguing, or they just realised they despise eachother as roommates xD
@@PepiiChu XD Honestly yes I hope so too. Maybe we'll get some background in Alhaithams character stories or whenever Kaveh comes out. Maybe they'll finally do hangouts again and Kaveh will be a 4* and we could learn more?
You should feel bad for Kaveh. The only reason he is in debt is because Dori scammed him. That beautiful palace she lives in, was built by him...and she never paid him the millions of mora it was worth. So since Kaveh funded the project and was never paid...he is broke. Not like he doesn't have a job, just takes forever to get enough money to be able to live on his own again. Al is WAY to harsh on him.
Honestly, these two are amazing characters looking out for each other, and i can relate to both of them. Alhaitham is a very intelligent and straightforward person who gives his honest opinion, and in an educated way. His perspectives and advice to Kaveh honestly to me does not come out rude, if not as how an adult should speak with honesty to anyone, for the best of them. Kaveh too is intelligent and a very kind person who is hardworking and never gives up with his bright smile. I know many people find him probably immature for not wanting to accept Alhaithams point of views, which im sure Alhaitham does seem to agree with his, but also sees Kaveh's perspective with our paths(as in pros and cons, also Kaveh's expectations and reality). Maybe people will disagree with me, but this is the way I see it. Kaveh not only has a different, more emotional personality than Alhaitham, but for the same reason he's different and he technically had to become independent on his own without either of his parents, Kaveh processes his emotions differently and his mindset and maturity is processed differently from Alhaithams. Im sure as humans, we can understand we process life experiences differently, and Kaveh copes with the hardship of being an architect by drinking alcohol a lot. I can relate to Kaveh, because I haven't met the world yet and have made mistakes, because I lack maturity for not really socializing, hearing truths that may hurt, but I expect learned to accept the truth or sometimes see how I can fix my mistakes. I have a great friend that is like Alhaitham, and sometimes he* would give me perspectives I wouldn't agree to, and later on I realized I was being immature, he only wanted what was best for me, so I understand where Alhaitham comes from. That is true love, in the aspect of telling truths to help one grow from one's immature mistakes. These two characters are indeed REAL, as in relatable to us. We shall love them very much and thank Hoyo for giving us a good feel here. I personally love these two, I just wanted to give my perspective, if for any case some people may have a disagreement with one or both of them for there opinions and acts.
Bruh, does this mean that Kaveh, out of two of them, is the caretaker? That's...quite unexpected. So, he's the one cleaning the house and probably working his brain to relocate all of Alhaitham's eccentric furnitures while Alhaitham's the one who makes messes lmao.
I'm surprised how many people point at Alhaitham completely ignoring the absolutely uncalled for insults Kaveh keeps throwing at him first. So if Kaveh would stop starting fights at every opportunity their relationship would probably instantly improve.
Kaveh: *the Akademiya can't be left to you* 😤 Alhaitham: *i know right but who will?* 😒 Kaveh: *Im much more suited to be a sage than u* 😌 Alhaitham: *your leadership would result in sumeru somehow be drowning in debt* 😐 Kaveh: *YOU!!!!* 🤬
Al is that type of person who is just brutally honest no matter what subject he talks about. And after reading some comments, I understand where Al comes from, he wants Kaveh to learn from his mistakes and become better, but some of his wording could be better though.
Everyone's talking about Alhaitham because he gave one insult (which is actually a truth I agree as an artist myself) and ignoring that Kaveh was full on insulting him 💀
Is 1:07 the line that makes so many people go "Alhaitham is toxic towards Kaveh & tries to put him down"? I'm a passionate artist myself and here's my POV: Alhaitham doesn't degrade artists, he's merely pointing out that Kaveh keeps putting others' feelings over his own (he even explicitly mentioned this in Kaveh's hangout) to the point where he overworks himself for basically nothing. Alhaitham knows how talented Kaveh is and thinks it's a waste for him to use it on stuff like this. As an artist myself, I know the feeling all too well, having drawn popular stuff I didn't even care about only so it would blow up on social media (and it never did). I grew sick of it and swore myself to only draw what I was passionate about, and this scene hit home. I relate to both of these characters a lot and I just can't see how anything about this is toxic when Alhaitham just wants Kaveh to not waste his talent. (For reference, he's explained this to the Traveler during Kaveh's hangout in the House of Daena.)
Can't believe Al-Hatiham and Kaveh are still roommates in this scene and still fight like this. I'm impressed. If I was one of them, I would've given up and move out. But all in all, I'm impressed 👀
Honestly I think they just like getting eachother riled up. Alhaitham smiles a lot more when talking to Kaveh and sometimes Kaveh even teases back (re: in the scene before Alhaitham joked that Kaveh would devole into a fungus and Kaveh retorted "at least I'd be an affectionate and loyal fungus" in an obviously jokey way). But it's just that Alhaitham doesn't really seem to know when to stop joking or that Kaveh is just too emotional so he gets angry pretty easily
Ppl need to understand that Al Haitham is being mean to Kaveh for being a people pleaser and lacking of rationality not for being an arquitect, if you understand the character you will see that he doesn't have bad intentions, he's just a little dry
"At least I don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client" literally anyone in the design field is like this I believe lol
This made me lose my mind cause i kept thinking i was suppoused to do something else in that room and everytime i tried to enter the cutscene started again
Kaveh Eng voice sound so agressive while his Jp voice is more polite and gentle (Using 'Boku' and 'Kimi' even while angry at Al haitham). No wonder Tighnari called him an angry anemo slime. I don't know that Al haitham is really kind or is it that hard to get rid of him. The dude literally mooching off him. After I saw this quest I'm started to think that the reason Al haitham still keeping Kaveh around is because he enjoy roasting Kaveh as a hobby.
You do realize the only reason Kaveh is in debt is because Dori? She tricked him into building that beautiful palace and never paid for it. She owes him millions of Mora. Kaveh should really sue that scam artist. They were friends in college, so Al is letting Kaveh stay until he can get enough funds to live again. Not like the guy can't keep a job, just takes a long while to be able to afford a house again, after all the money he lost building that fucking PALACE.
@@riatanina I do. It's a hugh amout of debt so It gonna take a long while. Atleast he did try to build his own house but it turn out to be in the withering zone lol. Living with Alhaitham is his last resort. The guy not free loading since he have to do all the house work but the reason I think he's mooching is because he got perk up when mention free drink and Alhaitham usual pays for his drink. I also just realise from Alhaitham story that the current house they are living in is suppose to be their house but they had their fall out and Kaveh like "Nope!!! I got a big project (Dori) coming so I don't have to live with you. You can have that house!" Judging from Alhaitham dialogue Kaveh feel like a talent naive kind heart guy. He literally a walking free real estate for scammer and a very unlucky one.
According to Alhaitham’s bio, he lets Kaveh live with him because Kaveh’s presence as a fellow genius and his perfect mirror helps him expand his limited human vision and gain a better understanding of the world. That has yet to show in their interactions since for now all they do is bicker and not intellectually.
Kaveh, first you complain about him having the title of AGS, then you criticize him for not shooting higher when he wants to resign (even though Grand Scribe is a pretty significant position also)? What do you want from him??? Also, I *know* that Alhaitham respects Kaveh as an equal, so why does he continuously put down Kaveh’s life’s work and outlook on life? It’s unlike him, even if he’s not afraid to point out the flaws of others and make his opinions known. But he generally does not make such pointed remarks about other people. Do you see him calling Nilou’s dancing foolish? No. So why is Kaveh’s artistry any different? He even acknowledged Siraj’s strengths and intelligence, but Kaveh doesn’t seem to think that Haitham has ever acknowledged his. It’s just strange to me how antagonistic he is.
I think Alhaitham is just being petty because he and Kaveh have history. You mentioned Nilou and could extend it to all the other characters he says positive things about… he doesn’t know them like he does Kaveh, nor does he have a history with them. Like Kaveh is his old friend and was implied to be his only friend back when they were in the Akademiya, and they had a nasty falling out which irreparably hurt their relationship (from his bio). It’s clear that to this day they still haven’t quite moved on from it and living together while constantly fighting each other like cats and dogs isn’t helping it. But while Kaveh seems like he’s making an effort to extend the olive branch, Alhaitham with his lack of empathy just evades it, so that makes it worse for them. It probably doesn’t help that Kaveh will sometimes provoke Alhaitham first which sends mixed signals, like he’s so used to fighting Alhaitham that he can’t help himself. Their relationship is pretty toxic but at the same time it makes it interesting to read and see how it’ll develop. Like maybe one day they’ll stop being so nasty to each and admit that they still care.
It’s not that deep, don’t you have a friends that you like to tease and bicker with? They get along well in Alhaitham’s trailer where they just play cards and drink wine, if you go around the city you’ll see Haitam usually pays for Kaveh’s food and drink and so on.
![[3.4] Everything We Know About Kaveh so Far (Genshin Impact)](/img/n.gif)
Find yourself someone who looks at you like how Kaveh looks at Alhaitham despite the insults..
it's me and my sister when we see each other☠️🙏
They actually care about each other and you can see that so well 😭
Whats ironic alhaitham not actually a single time he has insulted kaveh, like if you actually hear all of his comments again and actually you know try not to think hes brazen he actually complements him and has never once questioned his ability as an architect his comments has always referred to kaveh's clients
Aw they remind me so much of my own brothers 😂 it’s clear that they care abt eachother even tho they fight a lot haha
roommates 🥰😍
bro roasted the whole breed of us designers and architects with a single sentence😭😭😭
It pissed me off 🫠
Yeah I agree that ticked me off a bit 😭 Such disrespect to all artists actually.
The disrespect was just brutal 😭🤚
You guys work hard. I respect that.
Same....I just got him tho so it's fun listening to his intellectual burns. One thing that annoys me about his job description is: The job pays well for doing mostly nothing, that's why i took it. Something along the lines of that
Give f as respect for our man kaveh, who's able to survive THIS long with a roommate like haitham 👇
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As an architect, this hurts personally. Thanks a lot, Alhaitham 😑
i feel you bro Q.Q it hits different when your studying architecture
Me too, i study interior design at college. To hear Alhaitham insults Kaveh's taste in art... how dare you, Alhaitham >:(
@@berlianar.n.5019 Bros a game character💀
@@raedon2407 it’s a joke 💀
As an archeologist... same, same. Hits right home
Their mind reading actually made me giggle. They're in full-on arguing mode, Kaveh worried sick about his drunk blabbering secret, going all out with long and emotional 5 or more lines of thoughts.
While Al Haitham is just like oh damn there's dust on the shelves better clean up soon
So freaking relatable, the Sumeru characters are so refreshing
its funny cause in the previous cutscene kaveh was telling alhaitham to sort his dusty books or if he is not gonna read them he should take them somewhere else. alhaithams thoughts were "there's dust on the bookshelves. I should tidy them up sometime and bring any unused book to the house of daena" . I think is a nice detail that even if alhaitham doesnt express it he actually listens to kaveh
@@Arxesm that s exaclty what i wanted to say. While kaveh was worried about what he said while beeing drunk, alhaitham was thinking about what kaveh pointed out. Idk why alhaitham helped kaveh, but we ll find out in the future.
"At least I don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client" - that was really rude and cruel... I feel bad for Kaveh
As a teacher who often works myself to near death just to make sure my students remember something by next week, and also has to do an utterly ridiculous amount of extracurricular and paperwork... I feel that on a spiritual level
I agree. This is a minus on Alhaitham for me since I like art and doing art myself.
Edit: I didn't mean that I think Alhaitham is disrespectful to everyone and every single artist. Although I still like him as a character, I didn't like what he said, because even if he meant well (...somehow?) that's not how I talk to my friends.
@@jyll true! And suddenly I don't feel as bad after just losing to Tighnari anymore...
@@jyll Lmao, why yall taking that so serious ong 😭
@@flyingorange2482 So you can't dislike someone personality if they're fictional? 🤨
high-paying software engineer: Alhaitham
dirt-poor graphics designer: Kaveh
The AU we didn't know we needed until now
I'll be looking for this in ao3 lmao
please someone drop a link if you find a good fic with this au i beg
no bc i would read that au
Oh im kaveh..
Fun fact: you can use Nahida’s mind reading skill on both of them in the room
what are they thinking?? I don't have Nahida
@@BioSentient for Kaveh, smth smth "is my secret exposed?"
I don't remember what Alhaitham's was, mainly because it wasn't interesting
Bruhh i didnt try cause it's always ....
Wth! I didn't use Nahida one time...
@@BioSentient as a Nahida haver, kaveh basically was worried that his drunken blabbering unintentionally got him exposed
2:17 Kaveh's puppy eyes man... GIVE THIS MAN HIS RIGHTS
PREACH IT
HES SO FUCKING CUTE AASJSUSSJUSJSJ 😭😭💗💗
@@unmonged you what
@@unmonged LMAO
he has the most expressive feature in genshin down to muscle movement, eyes dilation etc, it's so crazy how hyv put so much effort on him, assuming his rarity. Kaveh best bbg confirmed
Kaveh: "I took time out of my day to clean the living room for you, and this is the thanks I get for it?!"
Alhaitham: "You're right, I should give you what all your clients give you... a smile" 🙂
I wish it was like that...☹️
yeah i wish he smiled a little. kaveh probably would have stuttered for a second lol
as cruel as that sounds, even a smile from him would be a good reward
Yeah haitham be nice to kaveh for once
@ToscaTee it was more mockery lol 😂
This is legit a conversation between people that already know too much about each other and know where to hit but still keep being friend next day. rinse and repeat
"at least i don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client"
as an artist this hurt me, alhaitham you're lucky i like you
Artists are having a bad time with thinking like these, but i cant say im mad on alhaithm on that part but still at least we could relate to Kaveh
Nah bruh what you gonna do throw your paintings at your phone?
Same when I was watching this I was talking along and when he said that I gasp and went “whoa whoa, to far man. To far.”
It hurts but it's true.
-An artist as well
To be fair, that was more of an insult to the clients than the designer - and I can get behind judging the "well, art is a hobby so you'll do it for free/exposure, right?" type of clients
oh god, as an architecture student my professors have been saying that pay in the architecture field is awful lmao. why does reality have to follow me even in-game? waah
Reality is awful, Dreams are sweet
Ikr 😭
“reality.. is pain!”
they are just two millennials trying to survive
EXACTLY
just one is unrealistic and the other is realistic
@@kosukegen3510
One is romantic but unrealistic, the other is pragmatic but extremely inconsiderate.
Hahahaha
And they are roommates
Bonus dialogue for both of them too if you scan with Nahida through the open door
i dont have nahida, please tell me what's the bonus dialogue?
@@ironyvstruthso from what I remembered from kaveh hidden dialogues. He was concerned of what did he do while being drunk and how did Al haitham knows about this. So, he starts to think it was a bar owner who told everyone about him being drunk
That’s all I can remember. You could search Al haitham and kaveh hidden dialogues
I thought you could only scan npcs why didn't I do this earlier
I did that and man, Kaveh had a lot to say. Still, it’s cool details like that exist even though not everyone has Nahida
@@BriannaDrobot Can you tell us what the bonus dialogue is?
Yes I ended up in that scene twice trying to snoop around 😂
Lmao same.
SAME lmao
Saaaame
I was ready to raid the whole mansion but the game said: You'll watch this scene again and you will like it.
But at least it gave me the chance to screenshot Alhaitham dragging Kaveh hard
Alhaitham is just as abrasive as he's always been.
My man is just spitting facts
@@user-ef1xv2qi3k true
I hope they do more of these hidden cutscenes in the future, It's a nice reward for people that cares about the characters and story
Kaveh: wait, what? How come you get a special treatment?!
Alhaitam: idk, just ask the Dendro Archon
Kaveh: o god of wisdom, may i ask how and why Alhaitam get a special treatment?
Nahida: where were you when Sumeru is in big turmoil?
Kaveh: uh, excuse me what?
Nahida: exactly
Noooooo not repeating Al-Haitham's question XDXDXD
Don’t forget where was you when I needed to be saved 😂
Isn't Nahida quite fond of Kaveh??
@@ChiIIi... yes.
XD Nahida being an Savage to Kaveh
So far, sumeru characters are rich in terms if interactions compare to the others, but I guess it the passive aggressive conversation that sells
They both are unbearable in two ways. Likable but unbearable. Kaveh lacking rationality and Alhaitham lacking compassion. They are like siblings TBH. But it's hard to say which one is the younger one.
Edit: I didn't expect to get this many likes. TYSM!!! It's the most I have gotten in my life LOL.
ONG. EXACTLY LIKE I AND MY SIBLINGS AT TIMES😭
Kaveh said "Can't you show a little respect for your senior and explain what's going on!?" in their second hidden interaction in the main story quest so Kaveh's likely older, but I think there's only a small difference in age
Yeah man siblings yeH! forget about haikavetham we dont need a second kaeluckae ship!
Yeahh I think depending on the person, one will be more unbearable than the other lol. Personally, I like Alhaitham more with his clear stance on things and boundaries. There is no confusion since he won't lie to you. I'm a bit bad with subtleties so he's so nice for me.
@@nikosaronim Saaame! I liked Haitham more for his rationality. Idk why people think he's being rude, but he's not intent of being insulting. He's just as honest as he could be.
Just notice that (i might be wrong tho) my man Kaveh do more poses and expressions while in the cutscene than another characters in cutscene🤔
He’s too relatable and probably envisions the spirit of too many people from the design team. It wouldn’t surprise me he’s been getting preferential treatment because they just love him too much.
Kaveh has been a really expressive character since his introduction. Probably because he’s so emotional.
For real!! He has to be one of my favorites in terms of his animations ❤❤❤
@@anitakhcreate Frrrrrr
the fact that it hurts most of you all meant that it is indeed true even in real life. Mostly anyone who works in the art industry have always been overworked and underpaid although times have been starting to change, we know it's still a prevalent issue.
I want Kaveh so bad... He's hilarious and sounds like an angry cat to me 😂😂😂
I am now in the 3rd year of university and Kaveh is me.....interior designer, alcoholic and in debt....I want to play for this character, we'll get along well
I hope things work out for you
Hope you’re not actually an alcoholic 😬
@@KingOfGaymes no haha i'm fine thank u !
Idk why people are so gungho about Alhaitham telling Kaveh that he doesn't make money from his artwork cuz like, that's basically the entire problem with Kaveh's character. He's too much of a people pleaser that he ended up getting scammed by the person that commissioned him to do architectural work (aka Dori) and the fact that he continues to be so gullible means he doesn't seem like he's going in a more favorable direction.
Alhaitham respects Nilou's work since she at least has a good head on her shoulders. He doesn't respect Kaveh's work because Kaveh is too emotional and as a result is a lot less rational. He's not dissing the field of arts, he is dissing Kaveh's lifestyle specifically.
If Alhaitham really wants Kaveh to change, he should be more sensitive to how he raises his concern. All that technical explanation wouldn't be enough if he didn't choose his words carefully to tell Kaveh what to do.
@@alunsinus_prime i mean Kaveh should be self aware too. The fact that he got scammed by Dori to the point of went bankrupt and even losing place to stay should be a slap in his face. But it seems that to this day, he's still way too gullible and still sticking with his old work ethic. If im in Alhaitham position, i would speak way more harshly than that because why can't you be more aware of your client?? why you keep giving someone's else your job when yourself need that job badly too? really he brought this upon himself 🤷♀️
@@sisi2352 tough love doesn't always work
@@alunsinus_prime its not like they're in a good relationship based on Alhaitham character story. So really, i say Alhaitham is still pretty nice to Kaveh for someone that they no longer close with (they had a pretty bad fallout and never keep talking ever since. both seems to stubborn to ever talk things out too.)
@@alunsinus_prime It's barely tough love when all he's saying are facts. Alhaitham, like in the archon quest, just doesn't think it's worth having to sugarcoat his words. He doesn't hold back on Kaveh because he thinks that the guy needs to get some common sense and start to apply himself more. On the other hand, look at how highly and understanding he speaks of Dehya, who is someone thriving in such a cutthroat industry without losing sense of her own principle. He respects her for her capabilities and how she conducts herself.
It just proves that it's not case of Alhaitham being unable to be nice, it just showcases how matter-of-fact the guy is. Literally a Diluc with less PR training.
the people who say that they hate each other don’t really see how alhaitham and kaveh perceive each other below that surface level of petty arguing. i am not saying you should or shouldn’t dislike either one of them, but the english translation’s shallow delivery was not very helpful because of all the nuances in the chinese text. to put it simply, it’s almost like how you argue with or insult your best friend all the time, but in reality, don’t mean those words. this analogy is not very good because it doesn’t quite portray their relationship accurately, but it’s the best one i can think of right now.
their situation is cleared up in alhaitham’s character story 4. i won’t elaborate on the details, but it says that he actually thinks of kaveh as a “perfect mirror” for himself, due to their very opposing views and approaches to life. this is partly why he offered to have kaveh share a house with him. seeing kaveh is like seeing a reflection of himself, including all of the imperfections. by living with kaveh and constantly sharing each other’s opinions (through arguments), he can thus better and improve his own views and philosophy. i am not chinese so i can’t say anything about the deeper meanings of those words, however, it is easy to see that they really do hold respect for each other to a certain extent (i play in japanese).
i just wanted to clear up some misunderstandings because i really dislike when people assume things and decide it’s fact when the truth is so far from that.
i am unsure how to connect this to what i just wrote, but there is a chinese character analysis on alhaitham, where, due to the fact that they both similarly lack familial attachments, they can freely bicker with each other, without fear of abandonment
This. Perfectly worded
I stuck at this particular cutscene, constantly spawning before doors, going in, and enacting a cutscene. Managed to walk backwards to not trigger it. Definitely not a "hidden" one!
Me too! I spawned right at the door, I initiated the cutscene twice more because I made one step in the wrong direction.
X2 😭😭🤌✨️
It was hidden enough! The doors opened automatically when I spawned in, but I didn't see the characters, nor did anything trigger when moved and I missed it entirely, I'M SO SAD 😭
...I actually feel kinda bad for kaveh now lol~ alhaitham got a lot and kaveh has too few huh~
This was lit my fav story quest, its so funny watching alhaitham and kavehs dynamic
Dang, he hurt some feelings with that architecture comment 😭😭🤣
as someone considering animation its a stab to the gut for sure LMAOO
Kaveh outside : a sunshine
Kaveh inside : a bundle of overthinking architect
Someone at Hoyoverse said, Let's make Diluc and Kaeya but instead of brothers their roommates. XD
Honestly I really enjoy their bickering. I think it's funny that Kaveh is so damn worried about people knowing that he rooms with Alhaitham and Alhaithams just like, of you're so worried you could, yk, move out of my house.
Honestly Diluc and Kaeya rly dont fight like that, especially in recent events. idk why people are still stuck on that lol
@@fluffy_magnus They don't really fight but they still taunt each other like siblings here and there. Idk Kaveh and Alhaitham remind me of that ," I do care about your well being but to hell if I'll ever admit that to your face" vibe that Kaeya and Diluc give me.
@@lyarogers6101 I am really hoping for a story-quest one day where we learn their past, Kaveh said they used to be friends and you also would not let a random dude who you don't even like be your roommate. I might be reading too much into this, but either something happened in the past, hence the constat arguing, or they just realised they despise eachother as roommates xD
@@PepiiChu XD Honestly yes I hope so too. Maybe we'll get some background in Alhaithams character stories or whenever Kaveh comes out. Maybe they'll finally do hangouts again and Kaveh will be a 4* and we could learn more?
@@lyarogers6101 I really hope so as well. I want more of this chaotic duo 😭
good lord man, I forgot how ruthless al can be.. even if he IS telling the truth. I feel bad for Kaveh tbh ;-;
You should feel bad for Kaveh. The only reason he is in debt is because Dori scammed him. That beautiful palace she lives in, was built by him...and she never paid him the millions of mora it was worth. So since Kaveh funded the project and was never paid...he is broke. Not like he doesn't have a job, just takes forever to get enough money to be able to live on his own again. Al is WAY to harsh on him.
@@riatanina Alhaitham reminds me of my elder sister because of his insensitivity, and this dialogue hurts more than it is supposed to be amusing.
btw idk if u new this but calling alhaitham “al” is the same as calling him “the” because of the translation
@@tomobred It’s still the first part of his name lol
@@KingOfGaymes yes but you dont go out calling people THE do you.
If you have Nahida in this part, you can use her skill to read both of their minds for hidden dialogue, no dots
Logged out in this room.
Not logging back in untill Nahidas' banner rerun.
What did it say ?
@@spiritofsound8469 or just search up on youtube
KAVEH'S HEAD SHAKING WHEN HE GOT MAD SENT ME 💀💀💀💀😭😭😭
Also: You can actually use Nahida’s skill on them and head their thoughts! Kaveh actually thinks a lot lol
What did it saaay please tell !!!
Alhaitham sounds like Tony Stark: Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist...
Also insensitive...
Honestly, these two are amazing characters looking out for each other, and i can relate to both of them. Alhaitham is a very intelligent and straightforward person who gives his honest opinion, and in an educated way. His perspectives and advice to Kaveh honestly to me does not come out rude, if not as how an adult should speak with honesty to anyone, for the best of them.
Kaveh too is intelligent and a very kind person who is hardworking and never gives up with his bright smile. I know many people find him probably immature for not wanting to accept Alhaithams point of views, which im sure Alhaitham does seem to agree with his, but also sees Kaveh's perspective with our paths(as in pros and cons, also Kaveh's expectations and reality). Maybe people will disagree with me, but this is the way I see it.
Kaveh not only has a different, more emotional personality than Alhaitham, but for the same reason he's different and he technically had to become independent on his own without either of his parents, Kaveh processes his emotions differently and his mindset and maturity is processed differently from Alhaithams. Im sure as humans, we can understand we process life experiences differently, and Kaveh copes with the hardship of being an architect by drinking alcohol a lot.
I can relate to Kaveh, because I haven't met the world yet and have made mistakes, because I lack maturity for not really socializing, hearing truths that may hurt, but I expect learned to accept the truth or sometimes see how I can fix my mistakes. I have a great friend that is like Alhaitham, and sometimes he* would give me perspectives I wouldn't agree to, and later on I realized I was being immature, he only wanted what was best for me, so I understand where Alhaitham comes from. That is true love, in the aspect of telling truths to help one grow from one's immature mistakes.
These two characters are indeed REAL, as in relatable to us. We shall love them very much and thank Hoyo for giving us a good feel here.
I personally love these two, I just wanted to give my perspective, if for any case some people may have a disagreement with one or both of them for there opinions and acts.
Bruh, does this mean that Kaveh, out of two of them, is the caretaker? That's...quite unexpected. So, he's the one cleaning the house and probably working his brain to relocate all of Alhaitham's eccentric furnitures while Alhaitham's the one who makes messes lmao.
Kaveh is a malewife confirmed
i just noticed that Kaveh has an absolutely lovely eyes, i could burn some primos for them
The first and only cutscene we can actually replay
The part Kaveh tells him he should pay him a drink just made me think how hungry he must be. Dori made him dirt, bro can't even buy food...
Man im still sad that we can’t go to alhaitham’s house after we exit the house😭
lmao i would just cry in the corner with a strict roommate like alhaitam T_T or not going back to the room at all
Mom and dad, can you guys stop fighting 😞
As an architecture student, Alhaitham's comment felt so personal lmao
Alhaitham: You can blame that to my financial freedom
Damn i'm so hurt 😭
This is literally me and my mom 🎤😭
I feel like alhaitham loves seeing kaveh angry so he just keeps teasing him 😭 poor kaveh
he's just so bully - able and cute
I'm surprised how many people point at Alhaitham completely ignoring the absolutely uncalled for insults Kaveh keeps throwing at him first.
So if Kaveh would stop starting fights at every opportunity their relationship would probably instantly improve.
as someone who has a roommate i can relate to some of this full-edged dissing convo LMAO
Add the Wanderer as their new roommate, and it would mean pure chaos and the end for Sumeru.
Kaveh: *the Akademiya can't be left to you* 😤
Alhaitham: *i know right but who will?* 😒
Kaveh: *Im much more suited to be a sage than u* 😌
Alhaitham: *your leadership would result in sumeru somehow be drowning in debt* 😐
Kaveh: *YOU!!!!* 🤬
Even though Alhaitham can be harsh and an asshole at times, I still prefer a flawed character like him over perfect one-dimensional characters.
Omg I saw this in a reel, I thought it was fanmade but you're telling me this is actual dialogue 😭😭
They’re just like brothers lol😂
kaveh got terribly humbled 💀
Al is that type of person who is just brutally honest no matter what subject he talks about. And after reading some comments, I understand where Al comes from, he wants Kaveh to learn from his mistakes and become better, but some of his wording could be better though.
I could watch a sitcom that has 10 seasons with just these two arguing and I wouldn't get bored.
Some props for Kaveh 😭, he doesn't rlly deserve this pls
And if you have Nahida you’ll also be able to read their minds. And Kaveh’s mind read goes on for sooo long bro
He deserves the higher pay. He helped save Tayvat and his own archon.
Everyone's talking about Alhaitham because he gave one insult (which is actually a truth I agree as an artist myself) and ignoring that Kaveh was full on insulting him 💀
Because Alhaitham insults were more damaging lol
Is 1:07 the line that makes so many people go "Alhaitham is toxic towards Kaveh & tries to put him down"?
I'm a passionate artist myself and here's my POV:
Alhaitham doesn't degrade artists, he's merely pointing out that Kaveh keeps putting others' feelings over his own (he even explicitly mentioned this in Kaveh's hangout) to the point where he overworks himself for basically nothing. Alhaitham knows how talented Kaveh is and thinks it's a waste for him to use it on stuff like this. As an artist myself, I know the feeling all too well, having drawn popular stuff I didn't even care about only so it would blow up on social media (and it never did). I grew sick of it and swore myself to only draw what I was passionate about, and this scene hit home.
I relate to both of these characters a lot and I just can't see how anything about this is toxic when Alhaitham just wants Kaveh to not waste his talent. (For reference, he's explained this to the Traveler during Kaveh's hangout in the House of Daena.)
Omfg i love alhaithams voice
I accidentally watched this cut scene three times because I wanted to explore their house
The best roast battle in teyvat
Kaveh to Alhaitham's taste in decorations is literally me to my mom whenever she buys something 😅
Looks like we have another Moraless character soon
Can't believe Al-Hatiham and Kaveh are still roommates in this scene and still fight like this. I'm impressed. If I was one of them, I would've given up and move out. But all in all, I'm impressed 👀
Honestly I think they just like getting eachother riled up. Alhaitham smiles a lot more when talking to Kaveh and sometimes Kaveh even teases back (re: in the scene before Alhaitham joked that Kaveh would devole into a fungus and Kaveh retorted "at least I'd be an affectionate and loyal fungus" in an obviously jokey way). But it's just that Alhaitham doesn't really seem to know when to stop joking or that Kaveh is just too emotional so he gets angry pretty easily
I don’t think Kaveh can afford to move out when he’s so deep into debt… dude probably owes Dori millions in Mora.
maybe they are dating
@@xtusabesx1842 that's what I'm thinking about when I saw this scene
2:14 OMG ITS A DATE 🎉
Sounds like when me and my brother are fighting since we're comfortable with each other we don't care about hurting each other's feelings
Damn... you'd think Alhaitham had a cryo vision, he ended his man's career in cold blood!
I have never in my life felt THIS offended as a artist. He clapped all of us in one breath…
Kaveh is my spirit animal
Alhaitham is giving me signs to drop out of my design course💀💀
They are so chaotic :,) and sus ngl
Kaveh’s face at 2:17 👁️👁️
I hate that I missed this on my run. Now I feel incomplete.
kaveh playable when
Kaveh started this entire argument. I'm not sure what scene some of you are seeing with the way you're blaming this on Alhaitham.
Ppl need to understand that Al Haitham is being mean to Kaveh for being a people pleaser and lacking of rationality not for being an arquitect, if you understand the character you will see that he doesn't have bad intentions, he's just a little dry
I used to like the JP voice, but this Kaveh EN voice is adorable 😄
"At least I don't have to be an architectural designer who works himself to death just to get a smile from his client" literally anyone in the design field is like this I believe lol
Sad reality
Mihoyo must ve employed ex interior designers to create kaveh
They legit sound like siblings like this is exactly what our arguments sound like-🤣
I was so glad that I stayed back to explore their house when I saw that scene 😭
this was "emotional damage"
I'm thought the quest still on going so i walk in twice then have to watch it again
and i stuck in that cutscenes for like 3 times cause i want to enter the room and the cutscene started
those two are very sweet, in a way. Mihoyo does not disappoint when it comes to dialogue scenes!!!!!!!!!!
As a designer, I'm laughing so much with pain. Alhaitham you've gone too far.
husband and wife energy.
Bffr.
More like asian mother and son arguing about future career jobs 🙄
I know this was a year ago but i remember running around in their home because i was trying to find the exit but then i got this cutscene
This made me lose my mind cause i kept thinking i was suppoused to do something else in that room and everytime i tried to enter the cutscene started again
alhaitham is so mean bro wtff 😭
you know what screw khanreiah lore, I need to know how these two ended up being roommates in the first place
Ah, I’m so glad I didn’t miss this.
Kaveh Eng voice sound so agressive while his Jp voice is more polite and gentle (Using 'Boku' and 'Kimi' even while angry at Al haitham). No wonder Tighnari called him an angry anemo slime. I don't know that Al haitham is really kind or is it that hard to get rid of him. The dude literally mooching off him. After I saw this quest I'm started to think that the reason Al haitham still keeping Kaveh around is because he enjoy roasting Kaveh as a hobby.
You do realize the only reason Kaveh is in debt is because Dori? She tricked him into building that beautiful palace and never paid for it. She owes him millions of Mora. Kaveh should really sue that scam artist. They were friends in college, so Al is letting Kaveh stay until he can get enough funds to live again. Not like the guy can't keep a job, just takes a long while to be able to afford a house again, after all the money he lost building that fucking PALACE.
im pretty sure aitham loves riling up kaveh, he's probly like 'living rent-free? well, u be the free entertainment then'
@@riatanina I do. It's a hugh amout of debt so It gonna take a long while. Atleast he did try to build his own house but it turn out to be in the withering zone lol. Living with Alhaitham is his last resort.
The guy not free loading since he have to do all the house work but the reason I think he's mooching is because he got perk up when mention free drink and Alhaitham usual pays for his drink.
I also just realise from Alhaitham story that the current house they are living in is suppose to be their house but they had their fall out and Kaveh like "Nope!!! I got a big project (Dori) coming so I don't have to live with you. You can have that house!"
Judging from Alhaitham dialogue Kaveh feel like a talent naive kind heart guy. He literally a walking free real estate for scammer and a very unlucky one.
@@ghexaier they literally said that Kaveh pays rent in this conversation.
According to Alhaitham’s bio, he lets Kaveh live with him because Kaveh’s presence as a fellow genius and his perfect mirror helps him expand his limited human vision and gain a better understanding of the world. That has yet to show in their interactions since for now all they do is bicker and not intellectually.
Kaveh, first you complain about him having the title of AGS, then you criticize him for not shooting higher when he wants to resign (even though Grand Scribe is a pretty significant position also)? What do you want from him???
Also, I *know* that Alhaitham respects Kaveh as an equal, so why does he continuously put down Kaveh’s life’s work and outlook on life? It’s unlike him, even if he’s not afraid to point out the flaws of others and make his opinions known. But he generally does not make such pointed remarks about other people. Do you see him calling Nilou’s dancing foolish? No. So why is Kaveh’s artistry any different? He even acknowledged Siraj’s strengths and intelligence, but Kaveh doesn’t seem to think that Haitham has ever acknowledged his. It’s just strange to me how antagonistic he is.
I think Alhaitham is just being petty because he and Kaveh have history. You mentioned Nilou and could extend it to all the other characters he says positive things about… he doesn’t know them like he does Kaveh, nor does he have a history with them. Like Kaveh is his old friend and was implied to be his only friend back when they were in the Akademiya, and they had a nasty falling out which irreparably hurt their relationship (from his bio). It’s clear that to this day they still haven’t quite moved on from it and living together while constantly fighting each other like cats and dogs isn’t helping it. But while Kaveh seems like he’s making an effort to extend the olive branch, Alhaitham with his lack of empathy just evades it, so that makes it worse for them. It probably doesn’t help that Kaveh will sometimes provoke Alhaitham first which sends mixed signals, like he’s so used to fighting Alhaitham that he can’t help himself. Their relationship is pretty toxic but at the same time it makes it interesting to read and see how it’ll develop. Like maybe one day they’ll stop being so nasty to each and admit that they still care.
It’s not that deep, don’t you have a friends that you like to tease and bicker with? They get along well in Alhaitham’s trailer where they just play cards and drink wine, if you go around the city you’ll see Haitam usually pays for Kaveh’s food and drink and so on.