This reminds me of that reserve goalkeeper for Sutton United who a bookie was offering odds on him eating a pie on the bench, he got wind of it and did it for a joke - an issue wholly caused by the bookies offering odds on random shite. If they were just allowed to put odds on more "material" things (wins/losses, k/d etc.), it becomes harder to justify fixing these metrics EDIT: got ahead of myself, you got it!
Completely agrees, that such behaviour is "at least" - "wrong". But seems like all our guys in CIS continue to agrue with this, saying something like: "They are Robin Hoods, they took this money from a bad rich guy - bookmaker, and gave it to poor person". Man, how I hate this take on events and the delusion of fans. It only shows how much more we should watch over everything, and not just some tier-Australia CS, to root out this.
As a long time navi fan, youre 100% correct about the fuckery going on in that org. I think this will be a very diffiucult story to break with the current timing, cis really dislikes you and thorin, people will see this as a rival betting site feuding though their partners, navi is a ukranian org, they get massive sympathy rn for obvious reasons. Even though what you present is entirely based on facts, the things i previosly mentioned are emotional factors, and as we all know, the so called community loves an emotional storyline far more than cold hard factual reality
They deserve all hate they have. All this guys do is talking shit about players seeking for more attention. Im not counting situation in this video but hear me out they just like hating cis community no matter what
Ahhhh yes another Samer Khalid Jamir Hiyade fan. First it was the shootings, then the bombings, now it's match fixing! HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS, DUDE!
The solution is kind of simple. Don't allow bets on things that aren't recognised as the goal of the competition. You can bet that a team will win, you can't bet that a player will get 30+ kills.
I'm pretty sure if the punishment was forcing them to watch diaper fetish porn for a week they'd reconsider fixing bets. We're talking A Clockwork Orange in the chair type forcing.
These kind of bets are banned in NY. You can't bet on anything that a person decides, like the Super Bowl MVP or the color of the Gatorade. You can only bet on skill or chance.
Thanks for covering these topics that sadly will not receive the attention they deserve because fans tend to put fingers in their ears and go 'lalala' when it comes to anything negative.
I noticed. I was not happy. No one I've talked to seems to care. I understand since it's NaVi the community at large is inclined to excuse it but this seems like the kind of thing Valve would be pissed about.
I feel like this is a betting company taking bets on touchdown dances. As an isolated incident I personally think this is fine. As for what should be done about it, ESL, Blast, or Valve should not allow things like "meme bets" IE gun buys, weapon specific skills(within reason), team kills, or anything like it.
it was super sad but expected to see the reaction from the csgo community on this one its a crack in a door nobody should want to let be opened. Even more sad this video will just be ignored by the masses cause Richard Lewis. We really are going the way of just watching this scene die
This is going to be ignored because the problem is the betting companies offering such ridiculous meme bets but no one wants to call out these companies and instead blame the players for taking the piss. Too much betting money in eSports for any real change to happen
There was a Australian journalist who had a spot on the colour of his tie for the election coverage. He changed ties between ad breaks so everybody one their bet.
I agree with everything you said except for the "we did it" tweet reference. That's something that people with a following are commonly saying when they do something, to make the community feel as if they were part of it.
Regarding Jon Jones, I dont think you should change your mind about him because of PED's. Once USADA came everyone popped, so what it means that everyone was juicing. The only thing that upsets me about Jon ia cannot get his shit together
"Last round" "Crappy gun that nobody uses" "Navi all had 16k" "only for the meme" "It doesn't affect the match, game, integrity" All these arguments are moot. Here's a possible in-game scenario as to why. ART manages to lurk his way around CT spawn area with his AWP. Na'Vi notices him and decides to kill them together with a smoke. ART having found the M249, surprises them with a spray, killing 3 CTs and then subsequently winning the round. Ending the first half (3 : 12). Second half FURIA does the come back (13 : 2) thus winning the match (16 : 14) If Na'Vi didn't drop the gun, game could have ended (15 : 15). I see this as breaching the integrity of the game. You literally changed outcome of the game by leaving a gun because of a bet. Intention doesn't even matter in this case.
I get why immature people in the community see it as a funny little meme to get this guy his $10,000 bet hit and probably think they’re doing a good thing but this is an issue. Happens in a ton of sports.
Jones the goat?!.. is he fuck. He's a cheat, end of story. You're looking to GSP and the other nattys like Bisping are the only ones I respect anymore.
Richard basically said he didn't respect Jones, because of all the fuckery he has been doing, and yes, we respect Bisping for not taking any PED's, but he is not in the conversation of GOAT status by any means. Even with the context of Jones having taken steroids, it's very hard to dismiss the fact that he beat 3 generations of LHW greats, and even did it while only losing once (not talking about the DQ loss to Matt Hamill in 2009, but the fight against Reyes, which he definitely lost, no matter what the judges said)
@@pede6272 I will dismiss it. He's a sauce fiend. It's only with the benefit of reading and listening to experts that now I can somewhat understand the incredible advantages it gives over opponents, makes me hold this position. He's a cheat just like current fighters like gyno boy Adesanya, Usman, Nganno, the list goes on and on. I'll add that it's actually an insult to the sporting achievements of guys like GSP to even put these cheats in the same bracket as him.
@@meepins I agree that Adesanya and Usman are most likely on the gear, based on Izzy's gyno, and Usman acne throughout his entire body, but they haven't been caught, so who says that GSP couldn't have been juicing. Not everyone gets gyno or acne from steroids. Look at guys like Anderson. No one was expecting him to get popped, but he did
@@pede6272 Let's bring it more back onto the topic of the video - the need for a zero tolerance policy to cheating. If you discovered that S1mple had been aimbotting every single match he ever played, would you still consider him the goat? Of course you wouldn't.
We both know Perfecto fixed many games with Syman, there is literal proof of it, yet valve does not care. Same about Fiend / Skade cheating/throwing online in leagues with no anticheat.
Man, how much conflict of interest can it be? The sponsor of the leading e-sports org making a very unconventional bet with astronomical odds (and with direct power to influence the outcome and having a cut to the profit). I agree that these sort of bets should never be allowed in the first place. It will probably get laughed off and never seriously investigated (why would ESL investigate a team with one of the largest viewership and the #1 team ranked with betting problem which would affect ESL's reputation, right?) even if the outcome is not that widespread or serious. Once again, I agree that regions like CIS can probably get away due to little to no legal protection as compared to the more developed regions of NA and Europe. Coupled with the fact that NAVI would just get so much sympathy due to war and everything, it would be tossed in 'low priority' issues and never properly highlighted. Plus, coupled with the fact that ESIC is a joke and CS fans are just so catered to the players who have established (they basically consider them as gods/idols), I would even argue that they would defend it with all their might and would rather remain blind to truth than see the reality. But most importantly, it affects the integrity of the sport so much. If I even get a hint that a single round in a game is scripted in CSGO, I might even just altogether stop watching. The thrill and the moment is what we're looking while watching any sport and if it's fundamentally taken away, it's meaningless to watch it further.
Honestly NAVI are the one team that can lose on the first round by whoever and then win a tournament playing much much MUCH better. I always thought that doing this was to interact with some kind of strong arm unlawful organization from Russia. Can't say for a fact though....
Anyone with anymore insight as to why this gun isn't bought at pro level? I don't watch any CSGO so I just assumed every gun would have its own use by now? Just because the game's been around for awhile.
The m249 is not cheap there are better guns for the price. So teams if they were making the best decsions its not worth. Economy in csgo makes a difference atleast at the pro level
It costs 5400, as compared to the m4's 2900-3100, while having slower movement and worse recoil. Only advantage is magazine size, which is only even relevant situationaly.
I disagree with your main point that this is going to lead to something worse. 'Placing a bet on buying a useless M249 on the last round of a half when you are loaded on money is going to lead to more serious match fixing'; M249 spot-fixing is a gateway drug to throwing matches! I don't think so. The 501 price on buying an M249 is GGBet's problem. What if they decided to offer a market on which teammate they are going to fistbump first? Your example with the English goalie and the pie is actually perfect, this dude is known for doing it, and his eating literally has no (or negligible) impact on the result of the match. At what point does a market become too ridiculous to offer? Say we create one that lets the punter bet on whether s1mple will fistbump Boombl4 or electronic first after the end of the first round. These three players may agree ahead of time on how they will play the system to make money for themselves. And the beauty of it is: 1) Has no impact on winning the match, so the game integrity is preserved. 2) Nobody could prove that they have conspired. And yet, this is still illegal. Their betting accounts are private, so nobody knows that they are making money. And they are still winning games and trying their best. How do we go about investigating this issue or even uncovering its existence to begin with? In the following scenario, imagine Na'Vi players never heard of the 'fistbump market'. Now we all know that s1mple will fistbump his teammates after the end of every round. In prior matches, s1mple never knew of the fistbump market and, from the outside perspective, fistbumping Boombl4or electronic first is a probabilistic event that we can try to model. Say before the next match s1mple saw a tweet that revealed to him the existence of the 's1mple will fistbump electronic first' bet. Now, after a particular round s1mple knows that if he fistbumps Boombl4 or electronic first (or perhaps won’t fistbump either) he is essentially settling bets. What should he do?
I have been watching your channel and your podcasts. Richard, there are so many cases where t2 or t3 just demolish number. It seems so fishy. And Navi usually starts a tournament with a lost to team that is just barely invited to the tournament. It just seems scripted or fixed. I have seen Navi throwing a match like countless times. They until there is 30 or 20 seconds left and they attack to the bomsite with no flashs, no nates, no Molotok. It just seems fixed or scripted. I admit that I have no inside knowledge like you guys but it seems oblivious for the viewers.
Now let's talk about the amount of throws that teams do (from seemingly unthrowable situations) to push matches to overtime in tier 1 lol.. I know there will not be a proof on this but the amount of matches that went to OT in the blast series and even IEM Katowice is unreal
@@RLewisReports I have been watching your channel and your podcasts. Richard, there are so many cases where t2 or t3 just demolish number. It seems so fishy. And Navi usually starts a tournament with a lost to team that is just barely invited to the tournament. It just seems scripted or fixed. I have seen Navi throwing a match like countless times. They until there is 30 or 20 seconds left and they attack to the bomsite with no flashs, no nates, no Molotok. It just seems fixed or scripted. I admit that I have no inside knowledge like you guys but it seems oblivious for the viewers.
I have never shat on gambling sponsors or gambling. Help me out here - what compels someone to make something up in their mind about someone, go to their content and then post it as a comment?
He has shat on skin gambling sites that do stuff like coin flipping or roulette that the house can independently rig. An actual sport result betting site like his sponsor is very different
Get out of here Richard....We should all be happy for the people who won their bets and laugh at the stupid sports books for posting that bet. These sites take so much money from people, Im happy this happened
As Ian Amin would say. "THE CORRUPTION"
smh ugandan league
LOOK AT THE CORRUPTION
Ugandan officiating has really taken a downturn
@@gotmilt8960 one might say LAMENTABLE, might be in the papers
tshibamba >>>>>>>> mendy
This reminds me of that reserve goalkeeper for Sutton United who a bookie was offering odds on him eating a pie on the bench, he got wind of it and did it for a joke - an issue wholly caused by the bookies offering odds on random shite. If they were just allowed to put odds on more "material" things (wins/losses, k/d etc.), it becomes harder to justify fixing these metrics
EDIT: got ahead of myself, you got it!
Completely agrees, that such behaviour is "at least" - "wrong". But seems like all our guys in CIS continue to agrue with this, saying something like: "They are Robin Hoods, they took this money from a bad rich guy - bookmaker, and gave it to poor person". Man, how I hate this take on events and the delusion of fans. It only shows how much more we should watch over everything, and not just some tier-Australia CS, to root out this.
Lmao, Navi as Robin hood? Bahahahaha
As a long time navi fan, youre 100% correct about the fuckery going on in that org.
I think this will be a very diffiucult story to break with the current timing, cis really dislikes you and thorin, people will see this as a rival betting site feuding though their partners, navi is a ukranian org, they get massive sympathy rn for obvious reasons.
Even though what you present is entirely based on facts, the things i previosly mentioned are emotional factors, and as we all know, the so called community loves an emotional storyline far more than cold hard factual reality
Well said. Especially the rival bookmaker thing is just gonna make most of the findings run over through the other ear for most kids.
Do the 3 Ruskis get massive sympathy as well?
They deserve all hate they have. All this guys do is talking shit about players seeking for more attention. Im not counting situation in this video but hear me out they just like hating cis community no matter what
@@inner7559 "they deserve all the hate they have" 🤡
Ahhhh yes another Samer Khalid Jamir Hiyade fan. First it was the shootings, then the bombings, now it's match fixing! HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS, DUDE!
The solution is kind of simple. Don't allow bets on things that aren't recognised as the goal of the competition. You can bet that a team will win, you can't bet that a player will get 30+ kills.
I'm pretty sure if the punishment was forcing them to watch diaper fetish porn for a week they'd reconsider fixing bets. We're talking A Clockwork Orange in the chair type forcing.
В такое время именно из-за покупки пулемёта надо беспокоиться, да да.
Нечего раздувать из мухи слона.
These kind of bets are banned in NY. You can't bet on anything that a person decides, like the Super Bowl MVP or the color of the Gatorade. You can only bet on skill or chance.
Blows my mind how casual and normal it is for all of these guys..
What do you think about the perennial Superbowl prop bet: What color will the winning gatorade be? It always seems ripe for this kinda of horse shit.
Thanks for covering these topics that sadly will not receive the attention they deserve because fans tend to put fingers in their ears and go 'lalala' when it comes to anything negative.
Inb4 someone says you are just salty you didnt get in the bet.
lol doing 40 min video bcs someone bought m249. this video is so useless
27:30 “322 pounds”
Life imitates art.
So many come and go but nothing beats the classic 322 story.
I noticed. I was not happy. No one I've talked to seems to care. I understand since it's NaVi the community at large is inclined to excuse it but this seems like the kind of thing Valve would be pissed about.
I feel like this is a betting company taking bets on touchdown dances. As an isolated incident I personally think this is fine. As for what should be done about it, ESL, Blast, or Valve should not allow things like "meme bets" IE gun buys, weapon specific skills(within reason), team kills, or anything like it.
it was super sad but expected to see the reaction from the csgo community on this one
its a crack in a door nobody should want to let be opened. Even more sad this video will just be ignored by the masses cause Richard Lewis.
We really are going the way of just watching this scene die
This is going to be ignored because the problem is the betting companies offering such ridiculous meme bets but no one wants to call out these companies and instead blame the players for taking the piss. Too much betting money in eSports for any real change to happen
There was a Australian journalist who had a spot on the colour of his tie for the election coverage. He changed ties between ad breaks so everybody one their bet.
Love the accidental #Na instead of #Na'Vi because of the apostrophe. Callback to the OG match fixers :P
Jon Jones a great example of how to throw it all away
I agree with everything you said except for the "we did it" tweet reference. That's something that people with a following are commonly saying when they do something, to make the community feel as if they were part of it.
Of course I'm an idiot; great report, Lewis! Thank you!
People fucking up their legacy..., yup, just look at Redeye.
What happened with redeye?
@@Adesanmii Didn't release the Christmas classics on vinyl, just mp3.
@@Adesanmii IIRC, some ppl accused him of being abusive at workplace. I didn't really follow that news so you can search more info about that.
Here before "(player's name) will blink an odd number of times during the pistol round" bet.
We should definitely have betting on WWE ngl.
Regarding Jon Jones, I dont think you should change your mind about him because of PED's. Once USADA came everyone popped, so what it means that everyone was juicing. The only thing that upsets me about Jon ia cannot get his shit together
M249 is the next Kreig, mind my words
"Last round"
"Crappy gun that nobody uses"
"Navi all had 16k"
"only for the meme"
"It doesn't affect the match, game, integrity"
All these arguments are moot.
Here's a possible in-game scenario as to why.
ART manages to lurk his way around CT spawn area with his AWP. Na'Vi notices him and decides to kill them together with a smoke. ART having found the M249, surprises them with a spray, killing 3 CTs and then subsequently winning the round. Ending the first half (3 : 12).
Second half FURIA does the come back (13 : 2) thus winning the match (16 : 14)
If Na'Vi didn't drop the gun, game could have ended (15 : 15).
I see this as breaching the integrity of the game. You literally changed outcome of the game by leaving a gun because of a bet. Intention doesn't even matter in this case.
this fucking richard lewis is full clown and still mad at navi that they bought m249 for fun
Disrespect flying out all over the universe. 😡
I get why immature people in the community see it as a funny little meme to get this guy his $10,000 bet hit and probably think they’re doing a good thing but this is an issue. Happens in a ton of sports.
Just another day in esports.
great timing thanks Sam x
Jones the goat?!.. is he fuck. He's a cheat, end of story. You're looking to GSP and the other nattys like Bisping are the only ones I respect anymore.
Richard basically said he didn't respect Jones, because of all the fuckery he has been doing, and yes, we respect Bisping for not taking any PED's, but he is not in the conversation of GOAT status by any means. Even with the context of Jones having taken steroids, it's very hard to dismiss the fact that he beat 3 generations of LHW greats, and even did it while only losing once (not talking about the DQ loss to Matt Hamill in 2009, but the fight against Reyes, which he definitely lost, no matter what the judges said)
@@pede6272 I will dismiss it. He's a sauce fiend. It's only with the benefit of reading and listening to experts that now I can somewhat understand the incredible advantages it gives over opponents, makes me hold this position. He's a cheat just like current fighters like gyno boy Adesanya, Usman, Nganno, the list goes on and on.
I'll add that it's actually an insult to the sporting achievements of guys like GSP to even put these cheats in the same bracket as him.
@@meepins I agree that Adesanya and Usman are most likely on the gear, based on Izzy's gyno, and Usman acne throughout his entire body, but they haven't been caught, so who says that GSP couldn't have been juicing. Not everyone gets gyno or acne from steroids. Look at guys like Anderson. No one was expecting him to get popped, but he did
@@pede6272 Let's bring it more back onto the topic of the video - the need for a zero tolerance policy to cheating. If you discovered that S1mple had been aimbotting every single match he ever played, would you still consider him the goat? Of course you wouldn't.
@@meepins That wasn't the topic of the video...
We both know Perfecto fixed many games with Syman, there is literal proof of it, yet valve does not care. Same about Fiend / Skade cheating/throwing online in leagues with no anticheat.
Man, how much conflict of interest can it be? The sponsor of the leading e-sports org making a very unconventional bet with astronomical odds (and with direct power to influence the outcome and having a cut to the profit). I agree that these sort of bets should never be allowed in the first place.
It will probably get laughed off and never seriously investigated (why would ESL investigate a team with one of the largest viewership and the #1 team ranked with betting problem which would affect ESL's reputation, right?) even if the outcome is not that widespread or serious. Once again, I agree that regions like CIS can probably get away due to little to no legal protection as compared to the more developed regions of NA and Europe.
Coupled with the fact that NAVI would just get so much sympathy due to war and everything, it would be tossed in 'low priority' issues and never properly highlighted.
Plus, coupled with the fact that ESIC is a joke and CS fans are just so catered to the players who have established (they basically consider them as gods/idols), I would even argue that they would defend it with all their might and would rather remain blind to truth than see the reality.
But most importantly, it affects the integrity of the sport so much. If I even get a hint that a single round in a game is scripted in CSGO, I might even just altogether stop watching. The thrill and the moment is what we're looking while watching any sport and if it's fundamentally taken away, it's meaningless to watch it further.
Honestly NAVI are the one team that can lose on the first round by whoever and then win a tournament playing much much MUCH better.
I always thought that doing this was to interact with some kind of strong arm unlawful organization from Russia.
Can't say for a fact though....
Perfecto has to be held accountable
Anyone with anymore insight as to why this gun isn't bought at pro level? I don't watch any CSGO so I just assumed every gun would have its own use by now? Just because the game's been around for awhile.
The m249 is not cheap there are better guns for the price. So teams if they were making the best decsions its not worth. Economy in csgo makes a difference atleast at the pro level
It costs 5400, as compared to the m4's 2900-3100, while having slower movement and worse recoil. Only advantage is magazine size, which is only even relevant situationaly.
It is too expensive, even more expensive than the AWP.
I actually did not know about this
Отстань от нави, это была лишь шутка. Потом же сам отгребешь от этой ситуации, которую ты раздуваешь. Кроме тебя ее уже все забыли
Shady.
your intro made me realize that I didn't appreciate my ex girlfriend nearly as much as I should have while we were dating. sorry Elin :/
Just go to Ram Ranch and have a good time, she woulda ruined vibe
Get em Rich
great video as always rich
I disagree with your main point that this is going to lead to something worse. 'Placing a bet on buying a useless M249 on the last round of a half when you are loaded on money is going to lead to more serious match fixing'; M249 spot-fixing is a gateway drug to throwing matches! I don't think so.
The 501 price on buying an M249 is GGBet's problem. What if they decided to offer a market on which teammate they are going to fistbump first? Your example with the English goalie and the pie is actually perfect, this dude is known for doing it, and his eating literally has no (or negligible) impact on the result of the match.
At what point does a market become too ridiculous to offer? Say we create one that lets the punter bet on whether s1mple will fistbump Boombl4 or electronic first after the end of the first round. These three players may agree ahead of time on how they will play the system to make money for themselves. And the beauty of it is:
1) Has no impact on winning the match, so the game integrity is preserved.
2) Nobody could prove that they have conspired.
And yet, this is still illegal. Their betting accounts are private, so nobody knows that they are making money. And they are still winning games and trying their best. How do we go about investigating this issue or even uncovering its existence to begin with?
In the following scenario, imagine Na'Vi players never heard of the 'fistbump market'. Now we all know that s1mple will fistbump his teammates after the end of every round. In prior matches, s1mple never knew of the fistbump market and, from the outside perspective, fistbumping Boombl4or electronic first is a probabilistic event that we can try to model. Say before the next match s1mple saw a tweet that revealed to him the existence of the 's1mple will fistbump electronic first' bet. Now, after a particular round s1mple knows that if he fistbumps Boombl4 or electronic first (or perhaps won’t fistbump either) he is essentially settling bets. What should he do?
I agree with you, everyone criticizing the players instead of calling out the ridiculous bets on offer by these companies.
Double fist bumb either side
I have been watching your channel and your podcasts. Richard, there are so many cases where t2 or t3 just demolish number. It seems so fishy. And Navi usually starts a tournament with a lost to team that is just barely invited to the tournament. It just seems scripted or fixed. I have seen Navi throwing a match like countless times. They until there is 30 or 20 seconds left and they attack to the bomsite with no flashs, no nates, no Molotok. It just seems fixed or scripted. I admit that I have no inside knowledge like you guys but it seems oblivious for the viewers.
Chad single digit number viewers
Love how you give the example of John Jones... One of the best MMA fighters ever shame on his downfall 😞
Wasn't it last round? I buy 3x m249s if i got 16k at last round of a half. They might have done same?
Who are you? For CS and another world. Hatttphuu. 30 minutes of crying
Which dogshit news site brought you here?
Thanks 👍 keep going
Now let's talk about the amount of throws that teams do (from seemingly unthrowable situations) to push matches to overtime in tier 1 lol.. I know there will not be a proof on this but the amount of matches that went to OT in the blast series and even IEM Katowice is unreal
Tell me more about this incredible conspiracy theory. Why are tier 1 teams conspiring to push matches to overtime?
@@RLewisReports I have been watching your channel and your podcasts. Richard, there are so many cases where t2 or t3 just demolish number. It seems so fishy. And Navi usually starts a tournament with a lost to team that is just barely invited to the tournament. It just seems scripted or fixed. I have seen Navi throwing a match like countless times. They until there is 30 or 20 seconds left and they attack to the bomsite with no flashs, no nates, no Molotok. It just seems fixed or scripted. I admit that I have no inside knowledge like you guys but it seems oblivious for the viewers.
Happy to be the 5th watcher, 2nd commenter. You got me to pause Elden Ring bro.
its kind of funny you have a gambling sponsor when you shat on them before whatever mate get that bread
I have never shat on gambling sponsors or gambling. Help me out here - what compels someone to make something up in their mind about someone, go to their content and then post it as a comment?
He has shat on skin gambling sites that do stuff like coin flipping or roulette that the house can independently rig.
An actual sport result betting site like his sponsor is very different
@@RLewisReports i guess i was imagining things man, sorry mate
Боже, такой клоун🤣
Get out of here Richard....We should all be happy for the people who won their bets and laugh at the stupid sports books for posting that bet. These sites take so much money from people, Im happy this happened
Watch the fucking video, you absolute cretin. This is setting the president for future events, that might be much more serious
They don't take money from people, people give them that money willingly.
These sites don’t take money from people, you don’t need to bet if you don’t want to loose money
Love seeing when people miss the entire point of a video and comment anyways
You're right, these companies are pieces of shit. It's still match fixing bro. Come on.
Double dislike
Ok.
As if Navi hadnt enough problems already
hmm