I love both games each has their pros and cons. Things I like better on the NES Version. 1. I like the alert music and Super Computer/Metal Gear Theme better on the NES. 2. I like how the guns actually shoot across the screen unlike the MSX2 Version. 3. I like how the menu of items are organized in the NES Version. 4. I did like how they added the jungle to the game and also love the theme. Things I like better on the MSX2 Version. 1. The most obvious is instead of blowing up the super computer, you actually blow up the metal gear in this game. Makes sense. 2. The game is more challenging. For instance hiding from cameras by simply hugging the wall in the NES version. You actually have to hide behind things not to be detected. Dogs can just hear you and start chasing you. 3. I like how the guys with the jet packs on the roof actually do fly around. 4. I like how the separate 2 buildings in the NES version are just added as basements in the first two buildings in the MSX2 version. Also love the basement theme. 5. I love the Theme of Tara but should only be played in buildings in my opinion. Kojima should of added an outdoors theme even though you're not outside all that much in this game. All in all, both great games.
Everyone is forgetting the best part of the NES version and that is the Engrish..."the truck have started to move" even when i was 6 years old playing this in 88 the engrish always made me laugh
MSX definitely a W for me. Don't get me wrong though, the NES was good but the US had made a chunk of redrafts to get it out for us to play back in the day. I was 2 when the original Metal Gear was out and then 3 when Nintendo had their version.
As a kid in the US I only had access to the NES one growing up, but watching this now I’ll say the music is far more appealing to me. Likely because it’s stored away in the “fond memories” section of my brain
I hear a lot of flack for the NES version, but this doesn't look so bad at all. A commendable effort considering the price and power difference between a MSX 2 and a NES.
NES version is kind of a mess. So i will say MSX version is better, but NES is good if you like a challenge. But it doesnt play aswell as MSX game does. Though Snakes Revenge on NES was an improvement in my view!
I remember playing the NES version at a friends house. I was blown away by it. A week later I saw it for sale in a store. I couldn’t give the clerk my money fast enough. I went home and played for hours on end.
Well done on the video! I would say the NES version makes sense realistically by Snake being air dropped into Outer Heaven vs swimming up to it. The very first radio dialog makes a little more sense for English speakers in the NES version, though they both are "rough around the box". Do you plan on doing a complete run side by side?
Great video. The nes game isnt as bad as its made out to be. Besides the very beginning of the game, music, the paths between buildings, and "metal gear battle", the games are nearly the same.
Yup... MSX actually ties into all the subsequent games. I like to think of two NES games as being in their own universe. It's just what we old folks had back then, and they were both great!
@@Upāsaka_11 well not like i had ps lol i had an old ass laptop which had wolfenstein, house of the dead and a NES emulator for those 64 in 1 games, good times
Play them in release order. The games make heavy use of retcons (but are generally done in pretty creative ways). Because of these retcons, some of the story beats only land the way they do when you play them in release-order. The first 5 of these and the first 3 of the non-canon games are available in the recently-released Master Collection Vol 1. Metal Gear (MSX) Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake (MSX) Metal Gear Solid - This game has a menu option to read the story of the above two games, so you could technically skip MG1 and MG2 and start here. I would personally not skip MG2 however. Metal Gear Solid 2 Metal Gear Solid 3 Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops - Skip the Plus version as it removes all story elements. I would consider this one optional. Metal Gear Solid 4 Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance There are a few other games in the franchise too, but they are not considered canon. The first two are included in the Master Collection Vol 1. More info on each below. Metal Gear (NES) - Developed for the western world for NES without Hideo Kojima's involvement because the MSX was never popular here. They had to cut some stuff because of the difference in console power. You fight a super computer instead of Metal Gear, the basement areas became separate buildings, and the starting location is different. Not canon from a story perspective. Metal Gear 2: Snakes Revenge (NES) - A sequel to the NES release. Followed the NES canon. Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions - In Metal Gear Solid, there are some VR missions, which exist outside of the normal game and are basically an additional challenge. VR Missions is an entire game of that style of gameplay and you also get to play as the Cyborg Ninja from Metal Gear Solid. Metal Gear: Ghost Babel (GBC) - A great game considering it is a gameboy game, but it tells an alternate, completely different story to Metal Gear Solid, and was made for Europe. It also doesn't follow either canon of Metal Gear 2. Basically a cash grab that turned out to be a good game. Metal Gear Acid 1 and 2 - Card-based strategy games. Developed by the same people as Metal Gear Ghost Babel, but is basically a non-canon side story. Metal Gear Twin Snakes - A Gamecube-only remake of Metal Gear Solid using a dumbed down engine of Metal Gear Solid 2. While Hideo Kojima was involved, they paid the returning voice cast so poorly that David Hayter (who plays Snake) took a huge pay just to give his peers a real paycheck. This disregard for the importance of the voice cast comes through in the lack of polish as they sound rushed and some were done in one take. While it looks a lot nicer than Metal Gear Solid, the engine change means you have abilities from MGS2 that were never accounted for in the MGS map. The music is also changed, and not for the better. Metal Gear Survive - A supernatural zombie sequel and spinoff to Metal Gear Solid 5, this was basically a cashgrab by Konami. They invested in an engine for Metal Gear Solid 5 and wanted to make a quick buck off of existing assets and brand recognition. This was after Kojima left the company on very bad terms. Microtransactions-heavy if you don't want to grind. It's not a bad game if you liked the gameplay of Metal Gear Solid 5, but it is a bad Metal Gear game. In Metal Gear Solid 2, one of the characters, Raiden, has been trained partially via VR. Most of the community and even some of the development team even consider these non-canon games to be among his VR missions.
@@heidibenner1577 the MSX was NOT a video game console made by Konami, it was a home computer standard drafted and endorsed by Microsoft- think of it as the Japanese version of the IBM PC architecture, but using the Z80 processor instead of Intel 8086 derivatives
I'm on the Master Collection (on PS4 Pro), and there at least, the MSX2 original is 30fps, while the NES port is 60fps. The MSX footage in this video seems better in that regard, but still not as smooth as NES. That's one thing in favor of the NES, I suppose? 🤷♂️
I respect what you mean, and think Kojima is great at his job, but Kojima did not get far enough into the NES game to make a full opinion. I love the guy's work to death, but he has said in interviews that he never made it past the introductory jungle session. After the jungle section, the differences between versions are not that big. Even the Metal Gear fight in the MSX version is just a still sprite of Metal Gear while laser cameras strafe in the back of the room. The super computer room has guards in it that are about the same trouble. The MSX version is superior, and I take Hideo Kojima's name in the credits of a game as a big mark of quality. But the NES game was still a good play for what was available in the U.S. It was still Metal Gear, and that was a big deal back then.
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I love both games each has their pros and cons.
Things I like better on the NES Version.
1. I like the alert music and Super Computer/Metal Gear Theme better on the NES.
2. I like how the guns actually shoot across the screen unlike the MSX2 Version.
3. I like how the menu of items are organized in the NES Version.
4. I did like how they added the jungle to the game and also love the theme.
Things I like better on the MSX2 Version.
1. The most obvious is instead of blowing up the super computer, you actually blow up the metal gear in this game. Makes sense.
2. The game is more challenging. For instance hiding from cameras by simply hugging the wall in the NES version. You actually have to hide behind things not to be detected. Dogs can just hear you and start chasing you.
3. I like how the guys with the jet packs on the roof actually do fly around.
4. I like how the separate 2 buildings in the NES version are just added as basements in the first two buildings in the MSX2 version. Also love the basement theme.
5. I love the Theme of Tara but should only be played in buildings in my opinion. Kojima should of added an outdoors theme even though you're not outside all that much in this game.
All in all, both great games.
MSX looks better to me!
to everyone
MSX the Best
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Everyone is forgetting the best part of the NES version and that is the Engrish..."the truck have started to move" even when i was 6 years old playing this in 88 the engrish always made me laugh
MSX definitely a W for me. Don't get me wrong though, the NES was good but the US had made a chunk of redrafts to get it out for us to play back in the day. I was 2 when the original Metal Gear was out and then 3 when Nintendo had their version.
I wasn't even born. 😂😂😂
As a kid in the US I only had access to the NES one growing up, but watching this now I’ll say the music is far more appealing to me. Likely because it’s stored away in the “fond memories” section of my brain
I hear a lot of flack for the NES version, but this doesn't look so bad at all. A commendable effort considering the price and power difference between a MSX 2 and a NES.
I kinda like the NES version over the MSX one. With the NES sorting out your inventory unlike the MSX helps so much.
I like both versions honestly!
NES version is kind of a mess. So i will say MSX version is better, but NES is good if you like a challenge. But it doesnt play aswell as MSX game does. Though Snakes Revenge on NES was an improvement in my view!
Mirad las diferencias entre metal gear 2 solid snake y snake revenge... metal gear 2 de msx2 es una obra maestra!
The intro was very different from the MSX version . We don’t know who the other 3 ppl was that did a halo jump with snake
I remember playing the NES version at a friends house. I was blown away by it. A week later I saw it for sale in a store. I couldn’t give the clerk my money fast enough. I went home and played for hours on end.
Well done on the video! I would say the NES version makes sense realistically by Snake being air dropped into Outer Heaven vs swimming up to it. The very first radio dialog makes a little more sense for English speakers in the NES version, though they both are "rough around the box". Do you plan on doing a complete run side by side?
Great video. The nes game isnt as bad as its made out to be. Besides the very beginning of the game, music, the paths between buildings, and "metal gear battle", the games are nearly the same.
That was a cool comparison. I gotta say I was hoping for the computer/metal gear boss fight side by side though.
Мсх вроде более мощная система, немудрено что оригинал получше смотрится. Но по мне оба версии хороши по своему.
In an alternative reality Metal Gear 1 could've had a PC Engine port (like many other Konami game) more faithful to the original MSX one.
So... The big question is which one should I play and what is the play order to get into the franchise, pretty please
Play the MSX version for the story, the NES changes are not canon.
Yup... MSX actually ties into all the subsequent games. I like to think of two NES games as being in their own universe. It's just what we old folks had back then, and they were both great!
@@Upāsaka_11 well not like i had ps lol i had an old ass laptop which had wolfenstein, house of the dead and a NES emulator for those 64 in 1 games, good times
Play them in release order. The games make heavy use of retcons (but are generally done in pretty creative ways). Because of these retcons, some of the story beats only land the way they do when you play them in release-order. The first 5 of these and the first 3 of the non-canon games are available in the recently-released Master Collection Vol 1.
Metal Gear (MSX)
Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake (MSX)
Metal Gear Solid - This game has a menu option to read the story of the above two games, so you could technically skip MG1 and MG2 and start here. I would personally not skip MG2 however.
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops - Skip the Plus version as it removes all story elements. I would consider this one optional.
Metal Gear Solid 4
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes
Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
There are a few other games in the franchise too, but they are not considered canon. The first two are included in the Master Collection Vol 1. More info on each below.
Metal Gear (NES) - Developed for the western world for NES without Hideo Kojima's involvement because the MSX was never popular here. They had to cut some stuff because of the difference in console power. You fight a super computer instead of Metal Gear, the basement areas became separate buildings, and the starting location is different. Not canon from a story perspective.
Metal Gear 2: Snakes Revenge (NES) - A sequel to the NES release. Followed the NES canon.
Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions - In Metal Gear Solid, there are some VR missions, which exist outside of the normal game and are basically an additional challenge. VR Missions is an entire game of that style of gameplay and you also get to play as the Cyborg Ninja from Metal Gear Solid.
Metal Gear: Ghost Babel (GBC) - A great game considering it is a gameboy game, but it tells an alternate, completely different story to Metal Gear Solid, and was made for Europe. It also doesn't follow either canon of Metal Gear 2. Basically a cash grab that turned out to be a good game.
Metal Gear Acid 1 and 2 - Card-based strategy games. Developed by the same people as Metal Gear Ghost Babel, but is basically a non-canon side story.
Metal Gear Twin Snakes - A Gamecube-only remake of Metal Gear Solid using a dumbed down engine of Metal Gear Solid 2. While Hideo Kojima was involved, they paid the returning voice cast so poorly that David Hayter (who plays Snake) took a huge pay just to give his peers a real paycheck. This disregard for the importance of the voice cast comes through in the lack of polish as they sound rushed and some were done in one take. While it looks a lot nicer than Metal Gear Solid, the engine change means you have abilities from MGS2 that were never accounted for in the MGS map. The music is also changed, and not for the better.
Metal Gear Survive - A supernatural zombie sequel and spinoff to Metal Gear Solid 5, this was basically a cashgrab by Konami. They invested in an engine for Metal Gear Solid 5 and wanted to make a quick buck off of existing assets and brand recognition. This was after Kojima left the company on very bad terms. Microtransactions-heavy if you don't want to grind. It's not a bad game if you liked the gameplay of Metal Gear Solid 5, but it is a bad Metal Gear game.
In Metal Gear Solid 2, one of the characters, Raiden, has been trained partially via VR. Most of the community and even some of the development team even consider these non-canon games to be among his VR missions.
What console is the msx???
It was a Japanese computer console
More specifically it was actually a console made by Konami. I think all the games were Konami games as well.
@@heidibenner1577 the MSX was NOT a video game console made by Konami, it was a home computer standard drafted and endorsed by Microsoft- think of it as the Japanese version of the IBM PC architecture, but using the Z80 processor instead of Intel 8086 derivatives
@@heidibenner1577 You're not even one percent right here :)
Wow they are quite different, but it becomes more similar later
Visually NES version is very comparable.
Great vid!
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I'm on the Master Collection (on PS4 Pro), and there at least, the MSX2 original is 30fps, while the NES port is 60fps. The MSX footage in this video seems better in that regard, but still not as smooth as NES. That's one thing in favor of the NES, I suppose? 🤷♂️
NES version was nothing but a sad mistake. Ask Kojima about his opinion on that little aberration...
I respect what you mean, and think Kojima is great at his job, but Kojima did not get far enough into the NES game to make a full opinion. I love the guy's work to death, but he has said in interviews that he never made it past the introductory jungle session. After the jungle section, the differences between versions are not that big. Even the Metal Gear fight in the MSX version is just a still sprite of Metal Gear while laser cameras strafe in the back of the room. The super computer room has guards in it that are about the same trouble. The MSX version is superior, and I take Hideo Kojima's name in the credits of a game as a big mark of quality. But the NES game was still a good play for what was available in the U.S. It was still Metal Gear, and that was a big deal back then.
So I played the uglier version all these years later. And couldn't even beat a giant computer.
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