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I have a question. What about ryzen 9 5900x? I have a Ryzen 9 5900x paired rtx 3080 gigabyte vison (white version 10 gb), x570 PG Velocita Motherboard, 32gb 3600mhz ram, 850 psu, and a 360mm AIO cooler. Im a content creator as well as a gamer and I want to upgrade my gpu most likey to an RX 7900 xtx because Ive never had a AMD GPU and I want the extra V ram. Do you think I have to upgrade my whole rig to the ryzen 7000 series CPU? That would mean a new motherboard and ram too. I have money but im not rich lol!
This video is still extremely helpful in mid-October 2023 as I look out on the landscape of PC parts with an upcoming upgrade planned in the 2023 holiday season. There is no other tech creator that breaks down the various tiers as well as you do and the conversation around bottleneck helps put the CPU vs GPU into much needed perspective. I love the specific mention of folks who have an AM4 motherboard and the option for the Ryzen 7 5800 X3D because this is exactly the scenario I'm in and you helped me make a decision on what tier GPU makes the most sense for me.
@@PCBuilderChannel Would you place the Radeon 7800 XT squarely in the Midrange GPU category @ 10:26 mid-tier? It seems like given the price per performance it would be better than the 6950 XT, unless you think the previous gen still edges out the new gen in this case? My goal is to game at 1440p using my existing Ryzen 5 5600X.
This is a terrific conversation to have when specing out a new build, and I especially appreciate the comments about "future proofing". I personally prefer to build in cpu headroom because it's far easier to upgrade a gpu later. And historically gpus have the most movement in their pricing so planning a 2-3 year gpu upgrade has worked for me. But I build on a 5-6 year cycle so my entire build is built with 5 years of performance wants/needs instead of optimizing for just today. YMMV
@@makunouchiippo816 Meaning your GPU was either underutilized for years, or isn't performing very well now. "Unlocking" the performance of an older GPU with a CPU upgrade is simply an admission that your GPU was previously bottlenecked by the CPU and you have never been getting maximum possible performance from the system. If the GPU was free or otherwise obtained for less than market price this is certainly an acceptable situation. If you paid full price for all that unused capacity much less so. It is simply undeniable that it is much easier to upgrade a GPU than a CPU, which will often also involve a new MOBO or the risks associated with a BIOS update.
The good news is that most 16 VRAM graphics cards at the market can't really use those 16 gb, so we wont be seeing games targeting anything above 8 GB in a near future.
@@garibaldo1 it's good for gamers but for the workstation builds who also wanna game under budget i'd recommend minimum 8gb vram and 12gb vram for best performance
I remember building in ye olde days and seeing people like Jason who would somehow manage to extract similar (or more) performance for $300 less than my builds. Only now am I figuring out how you guys did it. Thanks for putting the fun back into building, Jason.
The 2022 edition of this video was so helpful to me when I was putting together my build last year. Could not find this sort of advice anywhere else. Love that your channel offers this sort of pragmatic, easy to digest advice.
@@PCBuilderChannel Pity I didn't found this channel before... I'm a 53 y.o guy that haven't build a PC for like 15 years, and it was a bit daunting to make one just to play BG3 :D, everything has changed since last time, starting with the demise of HDDs 0_0 On a really low budget under 650€, including Windows 11 and with prices not as good as in USA, after an entire afternoon of research I ended with a i3-1200 + RX6600 (+ 32 RAM, 1T SSD, Thermalright cooler, Fractal case, TUF Wifi motherboard, 750w basic supply, etc) and I regret nothing... or should I?
Last time I tried doing this myself, having built my PCs for years and years, I failed to realize the CPU I bought was in the same family and model range at the time, but did not have hyperthreading, which went on to become a fabulous problem, leaving me out of a lot of gaming and software I wanted to run at the time. This kind of video is a must, even for people who have been doing this for a while.
Not necessarily a problem, my old PC had an 8-core Core i7 9700K with no hyperthreading and it ran all games like a champ. As long as you have at least six physical cores (preferably eight), you don't really need hyperthreading for games.
When i built my first PC 10 years ago, it was either i5-4690k/R9 280, or FX8350/R9 290 with my strict $700 budget. Im so happy I went with the first, as my father still uses that PC with zero issues, although its really starting to show its age
I just subbed to your channel. I have only seen four videos, and as somebody who likes building PCs in his free time and is interested in the same topics you cover, I admit that you do it better and faster. It is only different when looking at pricing, as I am located in Europe. Keep up the great work. What you bring to the table in 17 minutes is a blessing for everybody who wants to build a suitable system.
I decided to go with the 7600x and 6750xt combo to put me on the AM5 socket so in another couple of years I can spend more to upgrade the CPU and GPU at the same time without having to upgrade anything else. More or less rather then spending around $1200 for all of my components I can focus the same $1200 on just two components at upgrade time. Which is usually what I do. Get in somewhere around the mid range area at the time (which is usually a big upgrade from what I had before) when it is time for a full new build, then just at the end of a socket get the absolute best upgrades I can afford in GPU and CPU and then ride that out until I just have to do a full new build. Was running i5 8600k and 1070Ti before which has kept me going right up to this year before I really had to start turning down settings to still be able to play current games at a decent frame rate. I typically only do a new build about every 5 to 7 years or so.
Im doing to the same. Im building one with an i3 13100f but Because I wanted to go DDR5 and Im planning to on a I7 later but at the Moment Im just trying to get it done as soon as I can. Im only missing video card, ram and SDD I just built the the rest today, Im trynna get the Rx7600 Because I also planing to play at 1080p and I only spending 950$ in everything including monitor. Keyboard and mouse.
I made the mistake of upgrading my CPU thinking it'll open more room for my 2070 super about a year ago. It worked okay for a while but then I could see that it was really stressing my GPU. So when I got the money I upgraded to a 3080 and now my 5900x is ZOOMING and my 3080 is kicking so much ass. This was a great combo for me!
Well it depends on what games and on what setting are you playing. I just got Ryzen 7800X3D paired with 2070 super but I play Fortnite only on competitive settings with 240hz monitor and I don't have bottleneck from my GPU. Still running solid 600-900 FPS. But yes if you are playing other titles where you want to look good instead of squeezing every bit of FPS possible yes it's better to get a better GPU with a slower CPU.
Im using 5950x with rtx 3070 does 5950x handle and feed rtx 4070ti?? I think its last gpu upgrade for me with 5950x 2 more years and will sell that and upgrade whole build. With new AM6 if there will be by then?
As somebody who has been out of the loop with this sort of stuff for a while and is considering putting together a gaming PC I'm finding your content enormously useful. Thank you so much.
I’m in the same boat, 30 fps starfield gave me the push back to pc. Careful though, I went from being kinda reasonable 5600/6600xt to SSF mini itx builds. Just a case is £200😂. Then there SFX PSU’s 😳 I went from around £600 to over £1500 real quick. Having strong words with myself😅
@@christinaedwards5084 Between it not coming to PS5 and it being stuck at 30fps on Xbox I think Starfield is giving Jason and his peers a lot of clicks. 😂 And I know what you mean, it's hard to not get carried away and get more performance than I will reasonably need. I've assembled a few lists for various tiers and plan top just sit on it for a while so the "oh shiny" part of my brain can calm down.
@@JS-dr1gi it’s the FOMO 😂 Cause I own a QHD 144hz monitor I want 144fps. When I started I was more reasonable 100fps and medium settings was my target. I know why, if I’m going to spend so much as I’m starting from scratch I want it to last at least 6 years before starting again. My mentality is if it’s 140+ fps today should be at least 60 in 5-6 years time. Bigger problem is everything I like the look of is AM4 which limits upgrade potential. But I read bad things about AM5
@@christinaedwards5084 hahah me too... i wont list em all but just one mention of my room right now, i have 4 CPU coolers. ill stop at that.. ok one more 3 Rog strixx boards.. i shoul get those "strong words" tattood to my fore head!
That is great to hear! I actually started this channel when I returned to pc building after a break and wishes there was more info out there for new and returning builders.
I've listened to your advice and bought the 7600 + 7900 XTX, as I found a really good deal for the 7600 new at only 150 euro after tax (usually is sold at 220 euro, but I bought it with the MSI B650M PRO for 70 euro off). I hope you are right about the combo. One day in the future I might upgrade CPU to whatever the best price/performance X3D CPU there is.
@@skakuneu The GPU is heavily bottlenecking that CPU. The Minimum GPU pairing for the 13600k should be the rx 6800 or rtx 4070. But I suggest you get something more like the i5 12400f and an rx 6700xt/rx6800
Thanks for another boost video, Jason. About boost story 9, I updated his build for better and extra parts. I upgraded his CPU to a 7900 from a 7700, His ssd would be 1tb WD BLACK 850X and 2tb SOLIDIGM P41 PLUS for 200 CAD instead of a single 2 TB 850X. We've been chatting about the upcoming AMAZON and newegg sale to buy the GPU and the other parts and what should he get first and last. Edit: The total for this update is 3030 CAD and he doesn't mind that its close to budget limit as long as the sale hits. I told him to get the psu first considering the psu market and the psu is on sale right now and he just ordered the psu yesterday.
Great info as usual. CPU vs. GPU is usually the combination that is the most difficult to measure without actually having the parts. Your advice is much appreciated. Many thanks for taking the guesswork out of fundamental PC building components.
Funny, its November and I was just about finishing building my new pc. For a second there when I started to watch I was afraid I would be completely off, but turned out I actually just hit the mark with one of CPU + GPU combinations you mentioned. Its very nice and reassuring to know I have not screwed up my pc build and my whole day doing it was successful.
One thing he didn't mention in otherwise great video is that faster CPU might not give you higher average FPS, but can still give you much better 1% lows smoothing out overall experience much more. While GPU will still render given number of frames on average, smoothest will be much noticed. Remember we don't even notice average that much, what spoils our experience is lows. For same reason 12 or better 16 Gb video card is desired. As 8 Gb card will likely still have good average but terrible lows once VRAM is maxed out.
Good video all around. If I had just one nit to pick though, I'd point out something in the AM4 platform upgrade section: At most places, a 5700X costs about half the 5800X3D, has a little over half the TDP and better thermals, to the point you can get away with using a stock cooler with it (read: even more savings that can go into a better GPU or a new system later down the line), and there's only a 5 to 15% performance difference, depending on the game. That already makes it the better cost/performance ratio AM4 CPU, but the main reason I write this comment isn't even necessarily about that metric. Put simply, the AM4 is a legacy platform, already superseded by the AM5 chipset. If someone wants to further upgrade their CPU later, they would have no choice but to switch motherboards, at which point they would be pretty much building a new system from scratch, which makes sinking an extra 150-200 USD into a processor with a limited lifespan in exchange of an average of 10% more FPS a wasteful proposition.
11:53 instead of the single fan AK400, buying the cheaper AG400 Plus (dual fan single tower) and then swapping out their fans with Scythe Wondersnail is a solid alternative option too for dirt-cheap yet powerful air cooler. My 5800X3D is happy with this config.
I'm always spending a lot more on the CPU because it's going to see multiple generations of GPUs. Upgrading it requires ditching the motherboard and ram most of the time (thanks intel) so I keep it for 6 years, at the very least. (checking back, it was 2004, 2009, 2015, 2023) January 2023 I got a 13700K, because the added price over the 13600K was worth for the extra cores that are going to carry later on even though today both have similar gaming performance. Also, the second reason is that you can tweak graphical settings to suit your GPU, but you cannot change the CPU cost of a game, meaning a CPU bottleneck can only be resolved by changing the part, not the settings. When down the line the CPU is limited to 100 fps and there's nothing I can do about it, then that's when I have desire to change it. Third reason is that GPU performance have much better generational improvement compared to CPUs.
Same. I also play at 1080p so... lol. Also the CPU is useful for other stuff outside of gaming while the GPU isn't as important as it is in gaming. I have a i5 8600 and will upgrade to a r9 7900 or whatever the 8000 series if it's any good. And I will get a rtx 4070 since it's the same price as a 7800xt in my region and that power consumption is so low it's amazing and 12gb vs 16gb isn't a conversation when I play 1080p.
exactly idk why misinformed ppl try to tell others on a budget to get a less powerful cpu to get a better gpu. i.e. 5800x with a 3080 instead of going with something like a 5800x3d with a refurbished or preowned 2060-2070. the 2000 series can still run pretty much every competitive fps game on the market rn at 1080p low at 144fps avg. Yeah youll have a gpu bottleneck but thats easily relieved say in a year when you have enough to actually upgrade to like a 4000 series. Also u wont need to get a new mobo if the new cpu socket changes etc
I thoroughly agree. I think the advice to not invest too much in a CPU and putting that money towards a GPU instead will lead to better performance in that moment. But over the entire lifetime of the build, I really believe in leaving a little headroom CPU-wise to benefit from the more affordable gains that will be available over a few generations of GPU.
7800xt seems to be a good sweet spot for all games. While 4070 seems to be better performance to fidelity wise, 7800xt has better performance by the dollar with a better driver overhead to boot. DLSS 3.5 and FSR 3 are also really good upscalers with incredible performance boosts. Would recommend one over the other depending the CPU though for less bottlenecking
Excellent video! These videos always help me to stay informed and make the best build decisions. I may wait for the 14th Gen next season (or whenever it comes out), but if not, I am thinking of going with a Y60 case, 13900k with a Kraken 360 (or AK620), RTX 4090, 64gb Trident (32x2), 2TB wD Black & 8tb Samsung Evo, 1200 Seasonic Gold, and an Asus Apex or Maximus Z790. With said cooler and some good Lian Li fans, I’m hoping I don’t have to delid/direct die cool… Lots of 4k video editing, moderate gaming (Flight Simulator mostly), photo editing, and maybe some VR.
Currenty running an AMD 5900X, 7900 XTX, Gigabyte X570 Gaming X, 64GB DDR4 3600 CL18 ram on a Corsair RM850 PS. Case is a NZXT H5 Flow RGB and the cooler is a DeepCool LT520. Monitor is a 32" Asus 1440p, 170Hz VA panel
Recently upgraded from gtx 1070ti and i5 8400 with 16gigs of ram to a 4070 and r5 7600 with 32 gigs ddr5 6000mhz ram. Got an 7k/7k m2 ssd with it too. Really huge upgrade for me since I live in a country thats hard to buy stuff like this. You made me really happy with this video since now I know that I built a great pc. I just need to buy a cooler for my r5 7600 since it can almost boil a water right now with its stock cooler. Gonna pick up that deepcool you suggested, thanks!
This video helps out a lot. I am currently on Ryzen 5 3600 and was thinking about upgrading it to 5800X3D. This processor gives me the vibes of my old overclocked i5 2500K which suprisingly I used for far, far too long. It was a really good processor
I overclocked a i5-650, a 1 gen intel chip. Took two 5770 gpus in a crossfire cfg and ran it for years. Just now bought a Ryzen R9 7900x with a 6700xt. I needed to upgrade .
Absolutely awesome videos, your videos are amazingly information dense. I have to go back and rewind many times while taking notes. I was really into PC's building and specs years ago and have been out of the loop for years. I have learned a ton in a very short period of time. Thank you
This was such an amazing video. You shared an abundance of knowledge and guided through each price category in such a detailed manner. I was about to make a mistake while getting the parts for my first pc build, but thanks to your guide, I'll have a rather easy time selecting the components. Thank you so much.
Well, this has certainly given me a bunch to think about. I am currently running a Ryzen 5 2600x (32GB 3200 RAM at the moment, got scope to go up to 64GB pretty easily) with a 980Ti 6GB and whilst it manages pretty well on most things that I play at 1080, it is starting to struggle a little with new stuff, especially when I start to ramp up the image quality. I am not planning on moving away from 1080 at the moment as the monitor that I bought a few years back is still an amazing screen and that has a native 1080 resolution. Definitely want to be getting something a little more for when I get into Starfield.
I had a similar build and upgraded to a 5800X3D on a B550 Steel Legend board and wow that thing is a beast. Just get an AIO cooler for it because she gets toasty.
@@michaelwatson7249 Fingers crossed, I may have a Lenovo P720 workstation (ex CAD workstation from work) coming my way with a Xeon Silver 4210 in it that should more than outperform my current PC, at least as far as the CPU performance goes, and of not there is space to put another CPU in and (in theory) up to 384GB of RAM (never going to go that high, no need). I will need to check that I can run a decent gfx card in it, the power setup is a little different with everything running through the motherboard. If not, it should be worth enough to sell on and get some good upgrades along the lines if what has been posted here.
@@Almightyrastuswanted to let u know… I had a r5 2600x paired with a 5700xt and it was great, so when the 6800xt came out, I grabbed one refurbished for $280.. well the fps went from 160-180fps max settings… to 250+fps. Oh and that’s with Sam enabled. Mobo is a b450. Lol and now, I think besides going to a 5600x… that system will never have an issue. It’s also for my kid, so he plays lots of Fortnite and gta5 on it, says it does awesome. Best of luck out there dude
I've never been one to shell out for the "top" performance available at any given time. So for me it has proven more economical to err on the side of a better CPU over GPU. Been building my own PCs since the 1990s and it has proven pretty reliable that a CPU/MOBO combo will last 5-6 years with one, and possibly two GPU upgrades along with it. That second GPU upgrade often ending up transferred to the next CPU upgrade. The other advantage to this approach is it spreads out the expenses more evenly over time.
You don't shell out on the "top" performance because you want to be economical lol. That's ridiculous. You do it because you want to be able to run anything on maximum. That's it.
5950X and 6950XT. Took me a while to be able to afford both but now I have and very happy with the result. Amazing combo both for gaming and productivity. I won't be upgrading to new AMD platform for a long while yet.
Great video Jason! I never believed in the over buy your CPU "future proof" concept. It would be awesome if you filmed a step by step build guide for the budget an mid-tier PC's. It would be a huge benefit to new builders.
We've already got you! We got build guide galore for 5600, 12100, and theres a 5500 in our latest Best Build for June video. See the "builds and parts" list in the description for all of them
@@PCBuilderChannel Maybe it's just me, but I'm having a hard time finding the "build guides" that you mentioned would be in the description. I'm not seeing anything listed as a "builds and parts" list in the description, either.
@@PCBuilderChannel Haha thanks! Im currently building a pc and have all the parts besides the fans, so this definitely helped! If you want to know the parts, just comment back! :D
That's a very interesting and informative video, thank you. I'm sticking to AM4 for a while, so the 5700X is the one for me for the mid to high end range. Due to my 75Hz 1080p monitor, I'm going for the 6600XT right now. Might get the 700+ version of the 8000 AMD GPU generation or its NVidia/Intel equivalent since a 1440p 120+Hz monitor is too expensive for me today. I gues we don't talk enough about "monitor bottleneck" haha All things considered, might not move to AM5 DDR5 chipset for good years, probably until it gets reasonably cheaper as DDR4 did in the past compared to its previous generation.
thing is good ones usually either big sized, high reso, or high refresh rate as for quality its rather hard since best situation would be seeing/ watching your usual contents with the preferred leds, some shops at e-malls usually do this, some dont
I have a 4070ti and a 5600x. I've been thinking of getting a 5800x3d for gaming but the 7800x3d seems really interesting. But that would require a whole pc overhaul.
Good video! Some info I've learnt over the last 20y of gaming/overclocking etc. 1. Select desired resolution and refresh rate. 2. Select games you want to play. 2.1 Identify which games are CPU heavy and which are GPU heavy. 3. Get a quality gold/plat/titanium PSU, even a used one with warranty etc. 4. My understanding is that for gaming, data has to go from your GPU to your RAM before going to the cpu. If you're using an older CPU or slower ram, a quality ram upgrade can improve GPU to ram to CPU bandwidth / efficiency / reduce latency between those parts. Dual channel, dual rank ram can really help a system give it's all.
+ Remember, that most top combos are Intel-biased.... 7800X3D has the best performance for games (8 X3D cores) bus "suddenly" You must take i7 or i9-14900K... (with many cores... but shitty performance for games) for the top Nvidia card :D
Went a bit overboard with my latest upgrade and switched to a 4090 in combination with a 7800x3d, B650 mb and DDR-5 6000Mhz ram (16x2). The total cost was around $1530 after selling my previous parts ( CPU, GPU, MB, RAM). I feel these specs should be good for at least 5 years (gaming at 1440p/2160p at 165 fps).
I am rocking an i7-13700 and a 4070 Ti, but on DDR4, it's a bit pointless for me to update to DDR5 as of yet, but I do feel like it'll be a huge upgrade to the overall stability of the system. Maybe once the B760 boards fall in price a bit more I'll make the switch, but I am overall happy with what I have. Not going to go for a Z-type board as the CPU can't be overclocked anyway. Regardless, great video and keep up the good work!
I was thinking about the same for the RAM but next gen will be totally DDR5, that means next time you upgrade you'll need to change ram, motherboard that support that ddr5 and ofc the cpu. In some months i'm flying to usa to get me that i7, a 4080 and some ddr5 6000mhz and just forget about it for a couple of years.
Upper midrange: Ryzen 7 5800 with a Gigabyte Tomahawk B550 MOBO with a 3060 GPU is a great combo on the AM4 socket with DDR4 RAM. When you start getting into the AM5 sockets, DDR5 Rams things can quickly get pricey. Just have to spend a bit more on a better cooler since the 5800 runs a bit hot.
I agree with you on future proofing cpu/gpu. If you find yourself down this trap you got to ask yourself if you really will do a single component upgrade in a year or two. Most people don't, they just use the system as is until other limitations start becoming an issue for them, and at that point they'll look at doing an entire system again because everything at that point is old tech and its time to look at the system as a whole, hopefully without falling into the future proofing trap once again.
Totally understand that thinking. I've been keeping up with rebuilds on my current rig for over 10 years now (chuckles). One or two fans here, a cpu there, a new psu, a new heat sink, a new motherboard, updated RAM, header splitters to add new radio tech and keep my DVD/CD devices running, not to mention new M.2, SSDs and HDDs to handle all my games, videos and music (6 drives and one external). The tower case is getting crowded LOL.
Great watch👍 This series was invaluable to me building my 5600/6700XT build in January 2023🤩 Your advice from last year has aged really well as new options just aren't compelling in price/performance and the step up to a used Sapphire Nitro 6700XT has come in clutch with the 12GB of VRAM. Also gotta shout-out the power supply tier list you reference, got me a great Cooler Master 650 V2 on sale because of that. Cheers!
So now with the 7800xt out, what would you recommend/change in the video? I am thinking of upgrading my Ryzen 5 2600x to a 7800x3d and was planning to buy the 7800xt. After the video that sounds like an overkill. Would you recommend to go for a 7900xt instead and get the 7600 CPU? The 7800xt looks to be pretty solid and the upgrade from my current CPU should boost my system by a huge amount i guess? Most of the titles I play are not too heavy (WoW, Valheim, Witcher) but want to get into more gaming with current titles, which will probably tempt me to upgrade my 1080p monitor to a 1440p. Would be happy if you have a recommendation for me what, in your opinion, the smart thing to do would be.
God i would legitimately pay gpu prices to be able to ask you a million of my pc questions lmao. Outstanding video (thst im going to rewatch at least a dozen times)
Great video! Recently got myself a Ryzen 5600 and a RX 6600 XT for 1080p gaming, and so far it has been working pretty well. I just wanted to add that the Wraith Stealth that comes whit the Ryzen 5600 is not good at all. Tried it for a bit and was getting temps close to 90 C while gaming, the good thing is that a cheap Gammaxx 400 v2 solved that problem.
I love how you always start each of your "best" videos with the basics so that people who are uninformed can prevent mistakes they could make. Your channel is one of a kind and very newcomer friendly :)
Probably wasn't the case 6 months ago but the i7-12700f is currently priced at 260 at some retailers and it's a great CPU for gaming and production. Got mine paired with an RTX 4070 and it's an excellent system.
I just built my first PC, upgraded from a Lenovo Legion I bought in 2018. I paired a 7800x3d and GeForce 4070 super and have had zero complaints thus far. I got a really good deal on the 4070 super on Newegg, and through my research people have been saying that the 7800x3d would be more than capable of handling a GPU upgrade at some point. Curious about more experienced builders opinions though.
Your videos are the best Sir. Thank you for assisting me in becoming knowledgeable enough to configure my new TUF Gaming 1440P setup. CPU: i7-13700K Motherboard: TUF Z790-PLUS WIFI Graphics: TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Memory: CORSAIR Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 7200MT/S CL34 Power Supply: TUF Gaming 850W Gold Storage: Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 2280 2TB & 500GB Case: TUF Gaming GT302 Cooler: TUF GAMING LC II 360 ARGB Operating System: Windows 11 Pro
When I build a PC once every 10 years I always use 30-40% budget on CPU to ensure it will last 10 years or so. The GPU goes out of fashion/burns up faster and needs replacement every 3 years so I tend to not use up too much budget on it.
Having a new 5800X3D and still a 2070 S. I want to upgrade my GPU to the next level and jump up from 1080p to 1440p. Are AMD´s 6950XT or even 7800XT series cards the better option, or the Nvidia 4070 ? What concerns me is the lower VRAM on the green site and the much higher power consumption on the red site. Is it best to pair AMD CPU with AMD GPU then? Or even any other AMD/NVIDIA model?
Always good to see other people who think about things like this when planning a build. My biggest issue is usually always building in a case that is limiting to gpu length(I have a love for micro atx/mini itx mobos and tiny cases fit for htpc's). It does provide me with a unique barrier that I can either wait to overcome with newer gpu models or to find a slightly different case to be able to upgrade my gpu when necessary.
I just built a PC for less than £420. Including the ram and a modular PSU. I got a Gigabyte B550M DS3H, Ryzen 5 4600G, XFX RX 580 8gb GTS, and 16gm ram (upgrading to 128gb in march)
To anyone who reads this: CPU vs GPU is THE talk but don't forget about your RAM. In my experience as the "go-to-tech-guy" in my circle of family/friend, the one thing that bottlenecks most system is the ram. Honestly, people cheap out on it so much because it isn't as flashy or expensive as other parts but it's such an important part of your pc's performance... and the great thing is you can go completely overkill with it for a very affordable price. You can easily get 32 or 64gb of RAM for sub $200 if you aren't too picky about specs you probably won't ever understand nor need to. RAM is used in gaming but also for productivity and it's an awesome way to prolong your system's life if you are tight. Also, while I agree with the general statement in the video, know that there are huuuuge gaps money wise between tiers for GPUs. So while it's true that it's better to maximize efficiency and not have too much bottlenecking, it's better to get a strong CPU than a weaker one as it's not as easily upgraded. Swapping a GPU is just easy, plug the old one out, the new one in and it's done. CPU, not so much. You might have to litterally scrap your entire build because of new sockets and the likes. Please be mindful of that. If you are tight at the moment and have to build yourself a pc, consider getting a stronger CPU and a weaker GPU.
I currently have.. CPU - i3 10105f Motherboard - H510 GPU - RX6600 Ram - 8x2 16GB 3200mhz What should I upgrade next in the future? Still gonna do 1080p gaming and some editing work.
Upgraded my old Ryzen 5 2600 to Ryzen 5 5600X and GTX 1060 to RTX 3070, memory from 16 GiB to 32GiB, power supply seasonic 550 to seasonic platinium 650 and so on.
I have Ryzen 7600x and RTX3050. I upgraded from a i7-7700k in November. What a huge upgrade it was 😅😅. Went from under 60fps in Warzone to over 120fps in 1440p
I have recently bought a Ryzen 5600g with 32 GB 3600 MHz CL18 RAM and without a discrete GPU. I'm playing turn based strategies, so 1080p low details 20 FPS is playable.
Damn I wish I found this video sooner. I just got my 1st real pc, iBUYPOWER pc with a R7 7700x and 4060ti 8gb 🥲I feel so ripped off. Thanks Best Buy. Looks like I’ll be upgrading my GPU sooner than later.
I just built a system, on a AM4 platform, I know there are better options, but I don't use this one for gaming. It's for music creation. So I have a Ryzen 7 5800X (that I bought on a discount) and paired with a MSI 6750XT trio GPU, and a Asus B550 Tuf motherboard, also in discount. I use 2 NVMe Seagate Firecuda 2 Tb SSD's and 64Gb DDR4 Fast RAM from Kingston and I have 2 servers for storage, each 108 Tb and via 2,5Gb LAN ports. I'm happy with the setup. And I use Dante for digital audio connections, because I have a radio station going and also a mix and mastering studio. I don't use Apple on the sound machines, because most of the software and automatization runs on Windows. I have an old apple iMAC for compatibility with my iPhone Apps, mostly my agenda app and work lists and administration tasks.
man, I wish I'd found this video when I was doing my build! I went with a ryzen 7 5700x3d + an amd 6700, I've not stress-tested it gaming wise much yet, but it's a huge upgrade over my old A10 + 1080 ti and not too far from your recommend :)
I made a RX6900xt and i5 13600kf with 16go ddr5 6000mhz and a cheap motherboard B760-m 2to Gen 4 nvme All buy in second hand ( except cpu cooler and SSD ) for 165hz 1440p and native/upscaled 100hz 4K The total for less then 1k€ ( France )
Have a ASUS rig strix 570-e Wi-Fi 2 board with a ryzen 5600X and a 3080 ti . I sold the ryzen 5600X for 120 and upgraded to the ryzen 7 5800X 3D and noticed a nice improvement in frame rates .. I’m set for a few years
You are too much of a Razen fan when I like Intel CPUs! I just recently ordered Alienware I9-13900F with RTX 4070TI 32 GB DDR5 ram 5600 mT/s, liquid cooled 1000 watt. I hope this is a good combo and can't wait to try it out when I receive it!
I think future proofing can still be done, just not with performance. Choosing for example to go on am5 platform when it's new, means in 4 years, you'll have a cheaper second hand high end cpu for cheap (generally). I lucked out jumping onto am4 in 2017, allowing me to upgrade from r5 1400 to r5 5600 without needing to chance motherboard or other stuff, granted am4 was supported far longer than planned.
If on a budget. 4k budget should buy low end cpu but high end GPU. 2k balanced mid tier cpu and GPU. 1080p higher end cpu , 3060ti will do. You don't need fast cpu on 4K
I need a CPU upgrade... Still running my i7 7700k But i'm running that at @5Ghz :D Gave it some dragon blood (delidded it and added liquid metal) Paired it with a RTX 3080. Before i had the GTX 1080. Using it mainly for VR and i feel now the CPU bottleneck.
in my 3 years of learning about pc building and pc stuff...i didnt know a channel like this existed...its simple...to the point...and great...love this...u gained one more brother fam...love the content💟.
As someone who always plays on low graphical settings (Could not care less about graphics its gameplay all the way) But still wants +160fps for multiplayer i always opt out for good cpu and midrange gpu. I'm currently running ryzen 5 7600 and rx 6600. On my favourite games like Counterstrike 2, Rust and Hunt showdown i get excelent fps on medium-low graphics at 1080p. I Previously had i5 9600k with rx 6600 and it gave me lag spikes and cpu utility was always 90 to 95%. +with this combo the pc is ultra silent due to low power consumption.
have a ryzen 5 5600X paired with RTX 3060ti and kit of 4x 8GB DDR4 3466MHz RAM ... so far I am fine on 1440p mostly at max settings with a free-sync 75Hz monitor ... not the greatest for shooter games, but mostly I play strategies and builders, so the details matters to me more than fps ... the next step for me would be a rx 7700xt or rx 7800xt, since the CPU should handle it while getting another boost by DMA (the direct GPU memory access ryzen+AMD card)
When configuring a system, the first question is "what's my monitors resolution and refresh rate", CPU and GPU combos will vary with that question. A 4K 144 Hz monitor will not need as powerful a CPU as a 1080P 360Hz to max the refresh rate, despite the former needing to push a lot more pixels. The monitor resolution and refresh rate determines the GPU, the refresh rate determines the CPU. Critically, the games you play will heavily impact the optimum choices for both.
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What CPU and GPU combo are you looking at? What games do you want to play and at what resolution and FPS? Tell your story in a new comment below!
I put a 5800x3d with a 4080. Can I get a No No No!!! :D
I have a question. What about ryzen 9 5900x? I have a Ryzen 9 5900x paired rtx 3080 gigabyte vison (white version 10 gb), x570 PG Velocita Motherboard, 32gb 3600mhz ram, 850 psu, and a 360mm AIO cooler. Im a content creator as well as a gamer and I want to upgrade my gpu most likey to an RX 7900 xtx because Ive never had a AMD GPU and I want the extra V ram. Do you think I have to upgrade my whole rig to the ryzen 7000 series CPU? That would mean a new motherboard and ram too. I have money but im not rich lol!
@mattr882 Thats a fine combo!
@shadowghost815 No the 5900X can definitely handle a GPU upgrade to 7900XTX. You don't have to jump up to AM5 if you don't want to yet
My set up has i5-13600k + RTX 3080 10gb + Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-5200 PC5-41600 CL40.
*The only bottleneck is my account balance.*
I know the feeling!
Try using your father's acc bal. Some people found their bottle neck turned into a dam neck. 😌
I heard you can over-clock your account balance with a "credit card"
The ultimate bottleneck 🤣🤣
@@PCBuilderChannelI'm buying a i5 13500 + rtx 4060 + 2x8gb 3200mhz Ram + MSI b760 pro ddr4 would there be a problem??
Stop, look, and listen to PC Builder.
Yes! (;
Undoubtedly 😅
Literally, I’ve seen too many comments of people asking questions answered in his videos, JUST LISTEN! 😂yeesh
Look here, look, listen!
Oh, would you just look at him
This video is still extremely helpful in mid-October 2023 as I look out on the landscape of PC parts with an upcoming upgrade planned in the 2023 holiday season. There is no other tech creator that breaks down the various tiers as well as you do and the conversation around bottleneck helps put the CPU vs GPU into much needed perspective. I love the specific mention of folks who have an AM4 motherboard and the option for the Ryzen 7 5800 X3D because this is exactly the scenario I'm in and you helped me make a decision on what tier GPU makes the most sense for me.
Thanks so much for the feedback! So happy that you're still finding this video useful. And thanks for your support. :)
@@PCBuilderChannel Would you place the Radeon 7800 XT squarely in the Midrange GPU category @ 10:26 mid-tier? It seems like given the price per performance it would be better than the 6950 XT, unless you think the previous gen still edges out the new gen in this case? My goal is to game at 1440p using my existing Ryzen 5 5600X.
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This is a terrific conversation to have when specing out a new build, and I especially appreciate the comments about "future proofing". I personally prefer to build in cpu headroom because it's far easier to upgrade a gpu later. And historically gpus have the most movement in their pricing so planning a 2-3 year gpu upgrade has worked for me. But I build on a 5-6 year cycle so my entire build is built with 5 years of performance wants/needs instead of optimizing for just today. YMMV
My last GPU upgrade was 12 years ago so I can't really agree on your statement lol
So glad you enjoyed! Thanks for sharing.
@@makunouchiippo816 Meaning your GPU was either underutilized for years, or isn't performing very well now. "Unlocking" the performance of an older GPU with a CPU upgrade is simply an admission that your GPU was previously bottlenecked by the CPU and you have never been getting maximum possible performance from the system. If the GPU was free or otherwise obtained for less than market price this is certainly an acceptable situation. If you paid full price for all that unused capacity much less so.
It is simply undeniable that it is much easier to upgrade a GPU than a CPU, which will often also involve a new MOBO or the risks associated with a BIOS update.
@@ThomasD66 all these things doesnt change the fact that i Was able to use my gpu for much longer than the other guy stated an Upgrade would be needed
@@makunouchiippo816 Re read his comment. He never said anything about an upgrade being "needed." You are arguing over claims that nobody ever said.
My bottleneck seems to be that manufacturers seem so reluctant to offer above 8gb VRAM to otherwise viable choices without exorbitant price increase.
The good news is that most 16 VRAM graphics cards at the market can't really use those 16 gb, so we wont be seeing games targeting anything above 8 GB in a near future.
@@garibaldo1 it's good for gamers but for the workstation builds who also wanna game under budget i'd recommend minimum 8gb vram and 12gb vram for best performance
ran bg3 with great video with mobile 3080 on my alienware laptop.
Go for an AMD card
12gb is good enough for the next 5 years
I remember building in ye olde days and seeing people like Jason who would somehow manage to extract similar (or more) performance for $300 less than my builds. Only now am I figuring out how you guys did it. Thanks for putting the fun back into building, Jason.
Thanks for the awesome feedback! It means a ton
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The 2022 edition of this video was so helpful to me when I was putting together my build last year. Could not find this sort of advice anywhere else. Love that your channel offers this sort of pragmatic, easy to digest advice.
That's great to hear! I've been excited to get the 2023 guide out but was waiting on the latest GPU launches. Happy its finally out!
+1
@@PCBuilderChannel can we get the link to the 2022 guide
the parts mentioned are out of my budget at the moment
@@PCBuilderChannel Pity I didn't found this channel before... I'm a 53 y.o guy that haven't build a PC for like 15 years, and it was a bit daunting to make one just to play BG3 :D, everything has changed since last time, starting with the demise of HDDs 0_0
On a really low budget under 650€, including Windows 11 and with prices not as good as in USA, after an entire afternoon of research I ended with a i3-1200 + RX6600 (+ 32 RAM, 1T SSD, Thermalright cooler, Fractal case, TUF Wifi motherboard, 750w basic supply, etc) and I regret nothing... or should I?
@@PCBuilderChannelHello! What is the best budget gpu for 13600k in 1080p gaming and productivity? Do gaming more than work.
And everyone said I was dumb when I paired my 4090 with the i5 13600k. 😏 Thanks for backing me up.🤘 I LOVE my performance.
1440p and 4k / all you need mainly in GPU, but at 1080 the 7800x3d shines
Last time I tried doing this myself, having built my PCs for years and years, I failed to realize the CPU I bought was in the same family and model range at the time, but did not have hyperthreading, which went on to become a fabulous problem, leaving me out of a lot of gaming and software I wanted to run at the time. This kind of video is a must, even for people who have been doing this for a while.
Glad to spread some learning! Thanks so much for watching :)
Not necessarily a problem, my old PC had an 8-core Core i7 9700K with no hyperthreading and it ran all games like a champ. As long as you have at least six physical cores (preferably eight), you don't really need hyperthreading for games.
When i built my first PC 10 years ago, it was either i5-4690k/R9 280, or FX8350/R9 290 with my strict $700 budget. Im so happy I went with the first, as my father still uses that PC with zero issues, although its really starting to show its age
I had my i5 4690k and gtx 970 for around 6 years and it was still great when it bit the dust in 1080p
4670k +1080ti
rock-solid
I'm still using my fx8350 and it's fantastic lol
I just subbed to your channel. I have only seen four videos, and as somebody who likes building PCs in his free time and is interested in the same topics you cover, I admit that you do it better and faster. It is only different when looking at pricing, as I am located in Europe. Keep up the great work. What you bring to the table in 17 minutes is a blessing for everybody who wants to build a suitable system.
So glad you found us and thank you for the sub! Hope you keep enjoying the content!
Finally someone not having issues telling and explaining why that a better part is not the best option. Subscribed.
Thank you for the sub! Hope you keep enjoying the content
I decided to go with the 7600x and 6750xt combo to put me on the AM5 socket so in another couple of years I can spend more to upgrade the CPU and GPU at the same time without having to upgrade anything else. More or less rather then spending around $1200 for all of my components I can focus the same $1200 on just two components at upgrade time. Which is usually what I do. Get in somewhere around the mid range area at the time (which is usually a big upgrade from what I had before) when it is time for a full new build, then just at the end of a socket get the absolute best upgrades I can afford in GPU and CPU and then ride that out until I just have to do a full new build.
Was running i5 8600k and 1070Ti before which has kept me going right up to this year before I really had to start turning down settings to still be able to play current games at a decent frame rate. I typically only do a new build about every 5 to 7 years or so.
Im doing to the same. Im building one with an i3 13100f but Because I wanted to go DDR5 and Im planning to on a I7 later but at the Moment Im just trying to get it done as soon as I can. Im only missing video card, ram and SDD I just built the the rest today, Im trynna get the Rx7600 Because I also planing to play at 1080p and I only spending 950$ in everything including monitor. Keyboard and mouse.
oh lol, same here (7600k×1070)
An AMD is just seems more fun and logical at the same time to own right now. The 7000 CPU series is a banger
I made the mistake of upgrading my CPU thinking it'll open more room for my 2070 super about a year ago. It worked okay for a while but then I could see that it was really stressing my GPU. So when I got the money I upgraded to a 3080 and now my 5900x is ZOOMING and my 3080 is kicking so much ass. This was a great combo for me!
Nice! Thanks for sharing
ehm im usin 3080 + i7 13 700k and its fcking good too + DDR5 32RB RAM :) aaah what a wonderful upgrade for a couple of years :)
I'm currently waiting on my custom build- I9, 4070ti, 32 GB RAM.i can't waittttt
Well it depends on what games and on what setting are you playing. I just got Ryzen 7800X3D paired with 2070 super but I play Fortnite only on competitive settings with 240hz monitor and I don't have bottleneck from my GPU. Still running solid 600-900 FPS. But yes if you are playing other titles where you want to look good instead of squeezing every bit of FPS possible yes it's better to get a better GPU with a slower CPU.
Im using 5950x with rtx 3070 does 5950x handle and feed rtx 4070ti?? I think its last gpu upgrade for me with 5950x 2 more years and will sell that and upgrade whole build. With new AM6 if there will be by then?
As somebody who has been out of the loop with this sort of stuff for a while and is considering putting together a gaming PC I'm finding your content enormously useful. Thank you so much.
I’m in the same boat, 30 fps starfield gave me the push back to pc.
Careful though, I went from being kinda reasonable 5600/6600xt to SSF mini itx builds. Just a case is £200😂. Then there SFX PSU’s 😳
I went from around £600 to over £1500 real quick.
Having strong words with myself😅
@@christinaedwards5084 Between it not coming to PS5 and it being stuck at 30fps on Xbox I think Starfield is giving Jason and his peers a lot of clicks. 😂
And I know what you mean, it's hard to not get carried away and get more performance than I will reasonably need. I've assembled a few lists for various tiers and plan top just sit on it for a while so the "oh shiny" part of my brain can calm down.
@@JS-dr1gi it’s the FOMO 😂
Cause I own a QHD 144hz monitor I want 144fps.
When I started I was more reasonable 100fps and medium settings was my target.
I know why, if I’m going to spend so much as I’m starting from scratch I want it to last at least 6 years before starting again.
My mentality is if it’s 140+ fps today should be at least 60 in 5-6 years time.
Bigger problem is everything I like the look of is AM4 which limits upgrade potential. But I read bad things about AM5
@@christinaedwards5084 hahah me too... i wont list em all but just one mention of my room right now, i have 4 CPU coolers. ill stop at that.. ok one more 3 Rog strixx boards.. i shoul get those "strong words" tattood to my fore head!
That is great to hear! I actually started this channel when I returned to pc building after a break and wishes there was more info out there for new and returning builders.
abouth a month ago i upgraded to i3-12100f with rx 6700 xt, been playing any game in 1440p, im more than pleased with it
I've listened to your advice and bought the 7600 + 7900 XTX, as I found a really good deal for the 7600 new at only 150 euro after tax (usually is sold at 220 euro, but I bought it with the MSI B650M PRO for 70 euro off). I hope you are right about the combo.
One day in the future I might upgrade CPU to whatever the best price/performance X3D CPU there is.
Best wishes on the build! Let us know how it goes if you can (:
@@PCBuilderChannel hey i have a question, is a 13600KF on B760 3800MHz 32Gigs of ram with a RX7600 is a good pc? or is the GPU bottlenecking the cpu?
@@skakuneu The GPU is heavily bottlenecking that CPU. The Minimum GPU pairing for the 13600k should be the rx 6800 or rtx 4070. But I suggest you get something more like the i5 12400f and an rx 6700xt/rx6800
Thanks for another boost video, Jason.
About boost story 9, I updated his build for better and extra parts. I upgraded his CPU to a 7900 from a 7700, His ssd would be 1tb WD BLACK 850X and 2tb SOLIDIGM P41 PLUS for 200 CAD instead of a single 2 TB 850X. We've been chatting about the upcoming AMAZON and newegg sale to buy the GPU and the other parts and what should he get first and last.
Edit: The total for this update is 3030 CAD and he doesn't mind that its close to budget limit as long as the sale hits.
I told him to get the psu first considering the psu market and the psu is on sale right now and he just ordered the psu yesterday.
Great Job!! :)
Great info as usual. CPU vs. GPU is usually the combination that is the most difficult to measure without actually having the parts. Your advice is much appreciated. Many thanks for taking the guesswork out of fundamental PC building components.
Thanks Firehawk! Yes the combo can be tricky for builders for sure. Hope you enjoy and thanks for watching!
@@PCBuilderChannelI have a 5900x cpu can i use a 7900xt well on it ?
@@yungsneezy20it's a good enough cpu that it won't bottleneck the 7900 xt much unless you play at 1080p. 1440p and higher ur chilling
@@Draconas bet bet !
The motherboard is the most confusing part of it all to me personally...
Funny, its November and I was just about finishing building my new pc. For a second there when I started to watch I was afraid I would be completely off, but turned out I actually just hit the mark with one of CPU + GPU combinations you mentioned. Its very nice and reassuring to know I have not screwed up my pc build and my whole day doing it was successful.
Same. I'm using a RYZEN 5 7600X CPU with RADEON RX6750XT GPU & 2 X 16GB G.Skill Flare X5 6000MHz RAM.
One thing he didn't mention in otherwise great video is that faster CPU might not give you higher average FPS, but can still give you much better 1% lows smoothing out overall experience much more. While GPU will still render given number of frames on average, smoothest will be much noticed. Remember we don't even notice average that much, what spoils our experience is lows. For same reason 12 or better 16 Gb video card is desired. As 8 Gb card will likely still have good average but terrible lows once VRAM is maxed out.
This is a good point I think alot of benchmark driven analysis ends up overlooking
Good video all around. If I had just one nit to pick though, I'd point out something in the AM4 platform upgrade section: At most places, a 5700X costs about half the 5800X3D, has a little over half the TDP and better thermals, to the point you can get away with using a stock cooler with it (read: even more savings that can go into a better GPU or a new system later down the line), and there's only a 5 to 15% performance difference, depending on the game. That already makes it the better cost/performance ratio AM4 CPU, but the main reason I write this comment isn't even necessarily about that metric.
Put simply, the AM4 is a legacy platform, already superseded by the AM5 chipset. If someone wants to further upgrade their CPU later, they would have no choice but to switch motherboards, at which point they would be pretty much building a new system from scratch, which makes sinking an extra 150-200 USD into a processor with a limited lifespan in exchange of an average of 10% more FPS a wasteful proposition.
A 5800x3d doesn't run that hot though? I'm using the wraith prism that came with my 3700x and during games my 5800x3d sits around 70c
11:53 instead of the single fan AK400, buying the cheaper AG400 Plus (dual fan single tower) and then swapping out their fans with Scythe Wondersnail is a solid alternative option too for dirt-cheap yet powerful air cooler. My 5800X3D is happy with this config.
I'm always spending a lot more on the CPU because it's going to see multiple generations of GPUs. Upgrading it requires ditching the motherboard and ram most of the time (thanks intel) so I keep it for 6 years, at the very least. (checking back, it was 2004, 2009, 2015, 2023) January 2023 I got a 13700K, because the added price over the 13600K was worth for the extra cores that are going to carry later on even though today both have similar gaming performance.
Also, the second reason is that you can tweak graphical settings to suit your GPU, but you cannot change the CPU cost of a game, meaning a CPU bottleneck can only be resolved by changing the part, not the settings. When down the line the CPU is limited to 100 fps and there's nothing I can do about it, then that's when I have desire to change it.
Third reason is that GPU performance have much better generational improvement compared to CPUs.
Same. I also play at 1080p so... lol. Also the CPU is useful for other stuff outside of gaming while the GPU isn't as important as it is in gaming. I have a i5 8600 and will upgrade to a r9 7900 or whatever the 8000 series if it's any good. And I will get a rtx 4070 since it's the same price as a 7800xt in my region and that power consumption is so low it's amazing and 12gb vs 16gb isn't a conversation when I play 1080p.
exactly idk why misinformed ppl try to tell others on a budget to get a less powerful cpu to get a better gpu. i.e. 5800x with a 3080 instead of going with something like a 5800x3d with a refurbished or preowned 2060-2070. the 2000 series can still run pretty much every competitive fps game on the market rn at 1080p low at 144fps avg. Yeah youll have a gpu bottleneck but thats easily relieved say in a year when you have enough to actually upgrade to like a 4000 series. Also u wont need to get a new mobo if the new cpu socket changes etc
I thoroughly agree. I think the advice to not invest too much in a CPU and putting that money towards a GPU instead will lead to better performance in that moment. But over the entire lifetime of the build, I really believe in leaving a little headroom CPU-wise to benefit from the more affordable gains that will be available over a few generations of GPU.
I completely agree
7800xt seems to be a good sweet spot for all games. While 4070 seems to be better performance to fidelity wise, 7800xt has better performance by the dollar with a better driver overhead to boot. DLSS 3.5 and FSR 3 are also really good upscalers with incredible performance boosts. Would recommend one over the other depending the CPU though for less bottlenecking
Excellent video! These videos always help me to stay informed and make the best build decisions. I may wait for the 14th Gen next season (or whenever it comes out), but if not, I am thinking of going with a Y60 case, 13900k with a Kraken 360 (or AK620), RTX 4090, 64gb Trident (32x2), 2TB wD Black & 8tb Samsung Evo, 1200 Seasonic Gold, and an Asus Apex or Maximus Z790.
With said cooler and some good Lian Li fans, I’m hoping I don’t have to delid/direct die cool… Lots of 4k video editing, moderate gaming (Flight Simulator mostly), photo editing, and maybe some VR.
Good bang for the buck combinations are always interesting and appreciated. Thanks so much.
So glad its helpful! It can be tricky to get the right combos. Thank you for watching!
Currenty running an AMD 5900X, 7900 XTX, Gigabyte X570 Gaming X, 64GB DDR4 3600 CL18 ram on a Corsair RM850 PS. Case is a NZXT H5 Flow RGB and the cooler is a DeepCool LT520. Monitor is a 32" Asus 1440p, 170Hz VA panel
Recently upgraded from gtx 1070ti and i5 8400 with 16gigs of ram to a 4070 and r5 7600 with 32 gigs ddr5 6000mhz ram. Got an 7k/7k m2 ssd with it too. Really huge upgrade for me since I live in a country thats hard to buy stuff like this. You made me really happy with this video since now I know that I built a great pc. I just need to buy a cooler for my r5 7600 since it can almost boil a water right now with its stock cooler. Gonna pick up that deepcool you suggested, thanks!
same spec in my mind. but i doubt about the VGA 3060 or 3060 TI . 4060 never 4070 price cant match my budget
This video helps out a lot. I am currently on Ryzen 5 3600 and was thinking about upgrading it to 5800X3D. This processor gives me the vibes of my old overclocked i5 2500K which suprisingly I used for far, far too long. It was a really good processor
I overclocked a i5-650, a 1 gen intel chip. Took two 5770 gpus in a crossfire cfg and ran it for years. Just now bought a Ryzen R9 7900x with a 6700xt. I needed to upgrade .
@@humansvd3269 I even had 5770, also tried it crossfire as a friend of mine had another one. Great times!
I bought the i5 13500 for $209 when it went on sale. For that price I think it's worth strong consideration.
yes good play
Am an expert. This guy knows was he is talking about.
I've thought about doing CPU upgrade next. A bit hard to choose but it depends on what is limiting and what games/tasks you do on pc.
Well said!
wait but u r a girl y would u be interested in CPU upgrade? u must be using it for heavy math, video rendering, n file compression purposes
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Absolutely awesome videos, your videos are amazingly information dense. I have to go back and rewind many times while taking notes. I was really into PC's building and specs years ago and have been out of the loop for years. I have learned a ton in a very short period of time. Thank you
You got it, so glad we could provide so much helpful info! Thanks for watching.
This was such an amazing video. You shared an abundance of knowledge and guided through each price category in such a detailed manner. I was about to make a mistake while getting the parts for my first pc build, but thanks to your guide, I'll have a rather easy time selecting the components. Thank you so much.
Happy to hear it, this is why we do it! Congrats on the learning and good luck with the build :)
Sold my PC a few months ago and have had regret since the minute I sold it. Looking to build again and would love to see a $2500-3000 range build!
Well, this has certainly given me a bunch to think about. I am currently running a Ryzen 5 2600x (32GB 3200 RAM at the moment, got scope to go up to 64GB pretty easily) with a 980Ti 6GB and whilst it manages pretty well on most things that I play at 1080, it is starting to struggle a little with new stuff, especially when I start to ramp up the image quality. I am not planning on moving away from 1080 at the moment as the monitor that I bought a few years back is still an amazing screen and that has a native 1080 resolution. Definitely want to be getting something a little more for when I get into Starfield.
I think i5-13400f/13600k and 3070/4060ti would be a decent upgrade for you :D
I had a similar build and upgraded to a 5800X3D on a B550 Steel Legend board and wow that thing is a beast. Just get an AIO cooler for it because she gets toasty.
@@michaelwatson7249 Fingers crossed, I may have a Lenovo P720 workstation (ex CAD workstation from work) coming my way with a Xeon Silver 4210 in it that should more than outperform my current PC, at least as far as the CPU performance goes, and of not there is space to put another CPU in and (in theory) up to 384GB of RAM (never going to go that high, no need). I will need to check that I can run a decent gfx card in it, the power setup is a little different with everything running through the motherboard. If not, it should be worth enough to sell on and get some good upgrades along the lines if what has been posted here.
@@Almightyrastuswanted to let u know… I had a r5 2600x paired with a 5700xt and it was great, so when the 6800xt came out, I grabbed one refurbished for $280.. well the fps went from 160-180fps max settings… to 250+fps. Oh and that’s with Sam enabled. Mobo is a b450. Lol and now, I think besides going to a 5600x… that system will never have an issue. It’s also for my kid, so he plays lots of Fortnite and gta5 on it, says it does awesome. Best of luck out there dude
Maybe tine tu upgrade for amd 6700 for example, super cheap, goes ok with your cpu and Starfield is now as bonus ;)
I've never been one to shell out for the "top" performance available at any given time. So for me it has proven more economical to err on the side of a better CPU over GPU. Been building my own PCs since the 1990s and it has proven pretty reliable that a CPU/MOBO combo will last 5-6 years with one, and possibly two GPU upgrades along with it. That second GPU upgrade often ending up transferred to the next CPU upgrade. The other advantage to this approach is it spreads out the expenses more evenly over time.
This is exactly how I’ve been upgrading my pc’s since the early 2000’s. Plus moving the gpu to a new build keeps the price down vs full new build.
You don't shell out on the "top" performance because you want to be economical lol. That's ridiculous. You do it because you want to be able to run anything on maximum. That's it.
5950X and 6950XT. Took me a while to be able to afford both but now I have and very happy with the result. Amazing combo both for gaming and productivity. I won't be upgrading to new AMD platform for a long while yet.
Hi - say you had a 6950xt with a Ryzen 5 7600x how would that run?
@stevenbowen23 Should work well. Enabled re-size bar in your bios will also give you AMD's smart access memory included with Radeon software👍
@@VimyScout thank you, appreciate the reply.
You are the MAN for pc builds right now. Every time someone ask for advice I bring them here
Thank you for sharing! We appreciate it
Great video Jason! I never believed in the over buy your CPU "future proof" concept. It would be awesome if you filmed a step by step build guide for the budget an mid-tier PC's. It would be a huge benefit to new builders.
We've already got you! We got build guide galore for 5600, 12100, and theres a 5500 in our latest Best Build for June video. See the "builds and parts" list in the description for all of them
@@PCBuilderChannel Maybe it's just me, but I'm having a hard time finding the "build guides" that you mentioned would be in the description. I'm not seeing anything listed as a "builds and parts" list in the description, either.
“Stop saying cuss words guys!”😂 but thank you, I love your content and learned so much!
Haha glad you enjoy it! Hope you keep enjoying all the new videos :) learning for the win!
@@PCBuilderChannel Haha thanks! Im currently building a pc and have all the parts besides the fans, so this definitely helped! If you want to know the parts, just comment back! :D
That's a very interesting and informative video, thank you.
I'm sticking to AM4 for a while, so the 5700X is the one for me for the mid to high end range.
Due to my 75Hz 1080p monitor, I'm going for the 6600XT right now. Might get the 700+ version of the 8000 AMD GPU generation or its NVidia/Intel equivalent since a 1440p 120+Hz monitor is too expensive for me today. I gues we don't talk enough about "monitor bottleneck" haha
All things considered, might not move to AM5 DDR5 chipset for good years, probably until it gets reasonably cheaper as DDR4 did in the past compared to its previous generation.
thing is good ones usually either big sized, high reso, or high refresh rate
as for quality its rather hard since best situation would be seeing/ watching your usual contents with the preferred leds, some shops at e-malls usually do this, some dont
I have a 4070ti and a 5600x. I've been thinking of getting a 5800x3d for gaming but the 7800x3d seems really interesting. But that would require a whole pc overhaul.
Go for the 5800x3d
7800X3D would be overkill with that GPU and you'd have to upgrade the full plan. I'd go 5800X3D personally
@@PCBuilderChannel yeah I kind of agree. Thanks to both you and the guy above!!
if you're not playing in 1080p there's no reason to do so
7700/7700x .
RGB budget - $0
Good video! Some info I've learnt over the last 20y of gaming/overclocking etc.
1. Select desired resolution and refresh rate.
2. Select games you want to play.
2.1 Identify which games are CPU heavy and which are GPU heavy.
3. Get a quality gold/plat/titanium PSU, even a used one with warranty etc.
4. My understanding is that for gaming, data has to go from your GPU to your RAM before going to the cpu.
If you're using an older CPU or slower ram, a quality ram upgrade can improve GPU to ram to CPU bandwidth / efficiency / reduce latency between those parts. Dual channel, dual rank ram can really help a system give it's all.
+ Remember, that most top combos are Intel-biased.... 7800X3D has the best performance for games (8 X3D cores) bus "suddenly" You must take i7 or i9-14900K... (with many cores... but shitty performance for games) for the top Nvidia card :D
Went a bit overboard with my latest upgrade and switched to a 4090 in combination with a 7800x3d, B650 mb and DDR-5 6000Mhz ram (16x2). The total cost was around $1530 after selling my previous parts ( CPU, GPU, MB, RAM). I feel these specs should be good for at least 5 years (gaming at 1440p/2160p at 165 fps).
That's a great combo you got there!
I am rocking an i7-13700 and a 4070 Ti, but on DDR4, it's a bit pointless for me to update to DDR5 as of yet, but I do feel like it'll be a huge upgrade to the overall stability of the system. Maybe once the B760 boards fall in price a bit more I'll make the switch, but I am overall happy with what I have. Not going to go for a Z-type board as the CPU can't be overclocked anyway.
Regardless, great video and keep up the good work!
I was thinking about the same for the RAM but next gen will be totally DDR5, that means next time you upgrade you'll need to change ram, motherboard that support that ddr5 and ofc the cpu. In some months i'm flying to usa to get me that i7, a 4080 and some ddr5 6000mhz and just forget about it for a couple of years.
Upper midrange: Ryzen 7 5800 with a Gigabyte Tomahawk B550 MOBO with a 3060 GPU is a great combo on the AM4 socket with DDR4 RAM. When you start getting into the AM5 sockets, DDR5 Rams things can quickly get pricey. Just have to spend a bit more on a better cooler since the 5800 runs a bit hot.
I agree with you on future proofing cpu/gpu. If you find yourself down this trap you got to ask yourself if you really will do a single component upgrade in a year or two. Most people don't, they just use the system as is until other limitations start becoming an issue for them, and at that point they'll look at doing an entire system again because everything at that point is old tech and its time to look at the system as a whole, hopefully without falling into the future proofing trap once again.
Totally understand that thinking. I've been keeping up with rebuilds on my current rig for over 10 years now (chuckles). One or two fans here, a cpu there, a new psu, a new heat sink, a new motherboard, updated RAM, header splitters to add new radio tech and keep my DVD/CD devices running, not to mention new M.2, SSDs and HDDs to handle all my games, videos and music (6 drives and one external). The tower case is getting crowded LOL.
Yeah, since 30 years my pc is a continuous upgrade path, never bought a single whole computer, excepting the first one 30 years ago!
Great watch👍 This series was invaluable to me building my 5600/6700XT build in January 2023🤩
Your advice from last year has aged really well as new options just aren't compelling in price/performance and the step up to a used Sapphire Nitro 6700XT has come in clutch with the 12GB of VRAM.
Also gotta shout-out the power supply tier list you reference, got me a great Cooler Master 650 V2 on sale because of that.
Cheers!
That is so great to hear! Thank you for letting us know. Congrats on your build and very glad we could help!
How many can u play in your pc?
So now with the 7800xt out, what would you recommend/change in the video?
I am thinking of upgrading my Ryzen 5 2600x to a 7800x3d and was planning to buy the 7800xt. After the video that sounds like an overkill. Would you recommend to go for a 7900xt instead and get the 7600 CPU?
The 7800xt looks to be pretty solid and the upgrade from my current CPU should boost my system by a huge amount i guess? Most of the titles I play are not too heavy (WoW, Valheim, Witcher) but want to get into more gaming with current titles, which will probably tempt me to upgrade my 1080p monitor to a 1440p.
Would be happy if you have a recommendation for me what, in your opinion, the smart thing to do would be.
God i would legitimately pay gpu prices to be able to ask you a million of my pc questions lmao. Outstanding video (thst im going to rewatch at least a dozen times)
So glad it was helpful!
Great video! Recently got myself a Ryzen 5600 and a RX 6600 XT for 1080p gaming, and so far it has been working pretty well. I just wanted to add that the Wraith Stealth that comes whit the Ryzen 5600 is not good at all. Tried it for a bit and was getting temps close to 90 C while gaming, the good thing is that a cheap Gammaxx 400 v2 solved that problem.
Got the same one but mine doesn't make any sound enough to turn on stealth feature yet.
bro just said: have a RTX 3050, it cant get worse after this
ok it got worse
I love how you always start each of your "best" videos with the basics so that people who are uninformed can prevent mistakes they could make. Your channel is one of a kind and very newcomer friendly :)
That's great feedback thank you!
Probably wasn't the case 6 months ago but the i7-12700f is currently priced at 260 at some retailers and it's a great CPU for gaming and production. Got mine paired with an RTX 4070 and it's an excellent system.
In the middle of something and listening to this... This is the type of video "you didn't know you needed" gold. Chipping in for that reason.
So glad its helpful!
Got the 7800x3d with XPG Lancer 6000 cl30 and 3080Ti and couldn't be happier.
Absolute beast.
I just built my first PC, upgraded from a Lenovo Legion I bought in 2018. I paired a 7800x3d and GeForce 4070 super and have had zero complaints thus far.
I got a really good deal on the 4070 super on Newegg, and through my research people have been saying that the 7800x3d would be more than capable of handling a GPU upgrade at some point. Curious about more experienced builders opinions though.
7800X3d is the best current Gaming CPU out there. It can absolutely handle a 4090
Your videos are the best Sir. Thank you for assisting me in becoming knowledgeable enough to configure my new TUF Gaming 1440P setup.
CPU:
i7-13700K
Motherboard:
TUF Z790-PLUS WIFI
Graphics:
TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Ti
Memory:
CORSAIR Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 7200MT/S CL34
Power Supply:
TUF Gaming 850W Gold
Storage:
Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 2280 2TB & 500GB
Case:
TUF Gaming GT302
Cooler:
TUF GAMING LC II 360 ARGB
Operating System:
Windows 11 Pro
When I build a PC once every 10 years I always use 30-40% budget on CPU to ensure it will last 10 years or so. The GPU goes out of fashion/burns up faster and needs replacement every 3 years so I tend to not use up too much budget on it.
Having a new 5800X3D and still a 2070 S.
I want to upgrade my GPU to the next level and jump up from 1080p to 1440p.
Are AMD´s 6950XT or even 7800XT series cards the better option, or the Nvidia 4070 ?
What concerns me is the lower VRAM on the green site and the much higher power consumption on the red site.
Is it best to pair AMD CPU with AMD GPU then?
Or even any other AMD/NVIDIA model?
Always good to see other people who think about things like this when planning a build. My biggest issue is usually always building in a case that is limiting to gpu length(I have a love for micro atx/mini itx mobos and tiny cases fit for htpc's). It does provide me with a unique barrier that I can either wait to overcome with newer gpu models or to find a slightly different case to be able to upgrade my gpu when necessary.
I just built a PC for less than £420. Including the ram and a modular PSU. I got a Gigabyte B550M DS3H, Ryzen 5 4600G, XFX RX 580 8gb GTS, and 16gm ram (upgrading to 128gb in march)
To anyone who reads this: CPU vs GPU is THE talk but don't forget about your RAM. In my experience as the "go-to-tech-guy" in my circle of family/friend, the one thing that bottlenecks most system is the ram. Honestly, people cheap out on it so much because it isn't as flashy or expensive as other parts but it's such an important part of your pc's performance... and the great thing is you can go completely overkill with it for a very affordable price. You can easily get 32 or 64gb of RAM for sub $200 if you aren't too picky about specs you probably won't ever understand nor need to. RAM is used in gaming but also for productivity and it's an awesome way to prolong your system's life if you are tight.
Also, while I agree with the general statement in the video, know that there are huuuuge gaps money wise between tiers for GPUs. So while it's true that it's better to maximize efficiency and not have too much bottlenecking, it's better to get a strong CPU than a weaker one as it's not as easily upgraded. Swapping a GPU is just easy, plug the old one out, the new one in and it's done. CPU, not so much. You might have to litterally scrap your entire build because of new sockets and the likes. Please be mindful of that. If you are tight at the moment and have to build yourself a pc, consider getting a stronger CPU and a weaker GPU.
I currently have..
CPU - i3 10105f
Motherboard - H510
GPU - RX6600
Ram - 8x2 16GB 3200mhz
What should I upgrade next in the future? Still gonna do 1080p gaming and some editing work.
Upgraded my old Ryzen 5 2600 to Ryzen 5 5600X and GTX 1060 to RTX 3070, memory from 16 GiB to 32GiB, power supply seasonic 550 to seasonic platinium 650 and so on.
Intro sounded like a TV ad
Almost have all the parts to my new Rig. Going full AMD for the 1st time in about 15 years. Ryzen 9 7900X with the 7900XTX GPU.
I paired a 13900k with a 4090 2 months ago. The simple reason, Green+Blue was the best combo for me for many Years now.
Amazing video! Everyone building a PC should see this.
Thank you!
I know NOTHING about PC's but you were able to explain it easy to understand ways. SUBSCRIBED
I have Ryzen 7600x and RTX3050. I upgraded from a i7-7700k in November. What a huge upgrade it was 😅😅. Went from under 60fps in Warzone to over 120fps in 1440p
I have recently bought a Ryzen 5600g with 32 GB 3600 MHz CL18 RAM and without a discrete GPU. I'm playing turn based strategies, so 1080p low details 20 FPS is playable.
Damn I wish I found this video sooner. I just got my 1st real pc, iBUYPOWER pc with a R7 7700x and 4060ti 8gb 🥲I feel so ripped off. Thanks Best Buy. Looks like I’ll be upgrading my GPU sooner than later.
I picked up a Tuf b650m, Tuf 4070, 7600, 6000 cl40 32gb and have found this combo works really well
Excellent video
I just built a system, on a AM4 platform, I know there are better options, but I don't use this one for gaming. It's for music creation. So I have a Ryzen 7 5800X (that I bought on a discount) and paired with a MSI 6750XT trio GPU, and a Asus B550 Tuf motherboard, also in discount. I use 2 NVMe Seagate Firecuda 2 Tb SSD's and 64Gb DDR4 Fast RAM from Kingston and I have 2 servers for storage, each 108 Tb and via 2,5Gb LAN ports. I'm happy with the setup. And I use Dante for digital audio connections, because I have a radio station going and also a mix and mastering studio. I don't use Apple on the sound machines, because most of the software and automatization runs on Windows. I have an old apple iMAC for compatibility with my iPhone Apps, mostly my agenda app and work lists and administration tasks.
I happy with my ryzen 5800x and RX 6700xt for 2 years so far
man, I wish I'd found this video when I was doing my build! I went with a ryzen 7 5700x3d + an amd 6700, I've not stress-tested it gaming wise much yet, but it's a huge upgrade over my old A10 + 1080 ti and not too far from your recommend :)
My current rig is the AMD AM5 7800x3d a aio cooler for it, 1k power supply, 5200 hz ram ddr5 , and a 7900xt gpu and I love it
I made a RX6900xt and i5 13600kf with 16go ddr5 6000mhz and a cheap motherboard B760-m 2to Gen 4 nvme
All buy in second hand ( except cpu cooler and SSD ) for 165hz 1440p and native/upscaled 100hz 4K
The total for less then 1k€ ( France )
This right here. I’ve been looking for something like this. Outstanding!!!!
Have a ASUS rig strix 570-e Wi-Fi 2 board with a ryzen 5600X and a 3080 ti . I sold the ryzen 5600X for 120 and upgraded to the ryzen 7 5800X 3D and noticed a nice improvement in frame rates .. I’m set for a few years
I've been watching videos about PC's becasue I'm going to buy one and this was the first video where I felt like I understood something
You are too much of a Razen fan when I like Intel CPUs! I just recently ordered Alienware I9-13900F with RTX 4070TI 32 GB DDR5 ram 5600 mT/s, liquid cooled 1000 watt. I hope this is a good combo and can't wait to try it out when I receive it!
I think future proofing can still be done, just not with performance. Choosing for example to go on am5 platform when it's new, means in 4 years, you'll have a cheaper second hand high end cpu for cheap (generally). I lucked out jumping onto am4 in 2017, allowing me to upgrade from r5 1400 to r5 5600 without needing to chance motherboard or other stuff, granted am4 was supported far longer than planned.
Motherboard :- GIGABYTE B450M DS3H
Gpu:- RX 580 8gb
Processor:- AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Is this build okay?
8:17 I am using RX 6600 and R5 5500. It's a really good budget-friendly duo.
If on a budget.
4k budget should buy low end cpu but high end GPU.
2k balanced mid tier cpu and GPU.
1080p higher end cpu , 3060ti will do.
You don't need fast cpu on 4K
Getting Ryzen 7 7700X along with Sapphire RX 6700 XT, cant go wrong with that
I need a CPU upgrade...
Still running my i7 7700k
But i'm running that at @5Ghz :D Gave it some dragon blood (delidded it and added liquid metal)
Paired it with a RTX 3080. Before i had the GTX 1080.
Using it mainly for VR and i feel now the CPU bottleneck.
As a PC builder myself i always like to put a more powerfull gpu than cpu when building gaming pc. Nice video.
in my 3 years of learning about pc building and pc stuff...i didnt know a channel like this existed...its simple...to the point...and great...love this...u gained one more brother fam...love the content💟.
Thank you so much for the awesome feedback! Truly appreciate it. Hope you keep enjoying the content!
As someone who always plays on low graphical settings (Could not care less about graphics its gameplay all the way) But still wants +160fps for multiplayer i always opt out for good cpu and midrange gpu. I'm currently running ryzen 5 7600 and rx 6600. On my favourite games like Counterstrike 2, Rust and Hunt showdown i get excelent fps on medium-low graphics at 1080p. I Previously had i5 9600k with rx 6600 and it gave me lag spikes and cpu utility was always 90 to 95%. +with this combo the pc is ultra silent due to low power consumption.
Very sincere and exact recommendations. I tested my self by buying recommended configurations. I save so much money. Very helpful, thanks
Glad to help! Thank you for watching
Discovered this video after purchasing parts for my build but made me glad I invested in 7800X3D+7900XTX combo.
have a ryzen 5 5600X paired with RTX 3060ti and kit of 4x 8GB DDR4 3466MHz RAM ... so far I am fine on 1440p mostly at max settings with a free-sync 75Hz monitor ... not the greatest for shooter games, but mostly I play strategies and builders, so the details matters to me more than fps ... the next step for me would be a rx 7700xt or rx 7800xt, since the CPU should handle it while getting another boost by DMA (the direct GPU memory access ryzen+AMD card)
When configuring a system, the first question is "what's my monitors resolution and refresh rate", CPU and GPU combos will vary with that question.
A 4K 144 Hz monitor will not need as powerful a CPU as a 1080P 360Hz to max the refresh rate, despite the former needing to push a lot more pixels.
The monitor resolution and refresh rate determines the GPU, the refresh rate determines the CPU. Critically, the games you play will heavily impact the optimum choices for both.