1 Thessalonians | Chapter 4 - Part 2 | The RAPTURE | For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven

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  • @Azriela.
    @Azriela. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Praise be YH..
    Shabbat shalom
    Waiting for His blessed Hope.
    1 Thessalonians 5:6
    So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.

  • @kikaavila1574
    @kikaavila1574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Most encouraging promise, especially in these critical days

  • @luapsrsajor6792
    @luapsrsajor6792 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Faith in God and obeying His will and commandment . This is what James the Apostle meant by faith with works . FAITH THAT IS ALIVE AND KICKING . ! Thank you brother .

  • @gwenketterman2405
    @gwenketterman2405 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AMEN ...AMEN... WE ARE THE TEMPLE......... COME HOLY SPIRIT INTO US ......FILL US ......

  • @brendaisredeemed3668
    @brendaisredeemed3668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shalom Aleichem
    Toda Raba, this has encouraged me.
    Blessings upon this minstery, May G-ds favor continue to be your strength.
    I rejoice in Yeshua.
    Amen

  • @MAR-SHALL
    @MAR-SHALL 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    LOVE IT‼️

  • @jesusisthesonofgod
    @jesusisthesonofgod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shalom and thank you Dr. R Baruch for this message and correcting the error of there not being a Rapture at the MJAA conference. The Rapture is our "blessed hope!" I have been looking up, lifting up my head and praying for Yeshua to come for His bride since I had my one and only Rapture dream over 30 years ago. That "dream" was more real to me than when I'm awake. I felt like like a rocket going up, saw Yeshua's feet in the clouds and then woke up. Maranatha, come soon Lord Yeshua! #YeshuaIsMessiah

  • @rebamoon4965
    @rebamoon4965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Dr. Baruch.

  • @margaretgreen1957
    @margaretgreen1957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant teaching as always Baruch, what can I say but MARANATHA YESHUA, MARANATHA!

  • @andrewlambert4934
    @andrewlambert4934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amen to that... gods love be with you all.

  • @barbaramchendry9042
    @barbaramchendry9042 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shalom and thank you so very much for these encouraging words many are so fighting in this issue ,for me I cannot wait to see Our precious YESUAH face to face ,from Canada 🇨🇦 thank you again

  • @markmooney5662
    @markmooney5662 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This teaching was so comforting and interesting......having read the book of Enoch which seems to describe the two compartments I often wondered about the ' bosom of Abraham. .....you have cleared my confusion.
    Thank you and God bless you and yours Rabbi and of course Israel.
    Gilly wife of Mark

    • @jeaniekelly6803
      @jeaniekelly6803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark Mooney the book of Enoch is NOT part of the scriptures ...heed the warning do not add or take away from the scriptures shalom

  • @Cocobeanpeke
    @Cocobeanpeke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you from Iowa! 🤲🏻💗

  • @Princelargo
    @Princelargo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shalom and blessings from South Africa

  • @trevorburns160
    @trevorburns160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful

  • @gabrielaacevedo4107
    @gabrielaacevedo4107 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shalom.

  • @russcollins4762
    @russcollins4762 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Palm sunday was the 11th Wednesday was rhe 14th
    Shemot 12.2 - 6.

  • @seekthetruth277
    @seekthetruth277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Matthew 5:17-19 : “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I haven’t come to do away with them but to fulfill them (meaning of fulfill/make full : grant it the power to give people eternal life by covering our transgressions with his shed blood as long as we repent and do our best to sin no more, grace is not a license for sin or disobedience). I say to you very seriously that as long as heaven and earth exist, neither the smallest letter nor even the smallest stroke of a pen will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality. Therefore, whoever ignores one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called the lowest in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps these commands and teaches people to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
    Luke 16:17 : “It’s easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest stroke of a pen in the Law to drop out.”
    John 14:15,21 : “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” “Whoever has my commandments and keeps them loves me. Whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them.”
    Matthew 19:16-19 : “And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life?”
    And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One - Alahim (God). But if you wish to enter into life, keep the commands.”
    He said to Him, “Which?” And Yahusha said, “Don’t commit murder. Don’t commit adultery. Don’t steal. Don’t give false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”
    Matthew 7:21-23 : “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens. Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’ And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’
    John 3:36 : “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
    Matthew 13:41 : “The Son of Adam shall send out His angels, and they shall gather out of His reign all the stumbling-blocks, and those doing lawlessness.”
    Romans 2:13 : “For not the hearers of the Law are righteous in the sight of God, but the doers of the Law shall be declared right.”
    Hebrews 4:9-13 : “So you see that a sabbath rest is left open for God’s people. The one who entered God’s rest also rested from his works, just as God rested from his own.
    Therefore, let’s make every effort to enter that rest so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience, because God’s word is living, active, and sharper than any two-edged sword. It penetrates to the point that it separates the soul from the spirit and the joints from the marrow. It’s able to judge the heart’s thoughts and intentions. No creature is hidden from it, but rather everything is naked and exposed to the eyes of the One to whom we have to give an answer.”
    James 1:22-25 : “You must be doers of the Word and not only hearers who mislead themselves. Those who hear but don’t do the Word are like those who look at their faces in the mirror, for they look at themselves, walk away, and immediately forget what they were like. But they who study the perfect Law, that of freedom, and continue in it, not becoming hearers that forget but doers of work, they shall be blessed in their doing of the Law.”
    James 2:14-26 : “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it?
    So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works.
    You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe - and shudder!
    But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?
    Was not Abraham our father declared right by works when he offered Isac his son on the slaughter-place?
    Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?
    And the Scripture was filled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves God.”
    You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone.
    In the same way, was not Rahab the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”
    1 John 2:3-7 : And by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commands.
    The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of God has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
    1 John 3:4 : “Everyone doing sin also breaks the Law, for sin is lawlessness.”
    1 John 5:3 : “For this is the love for God, that we keep His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”
    2 John 1:6 : “And this is the love, that we walk according to His commands. This is the command, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.”
    Revelation 12:17 : “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of God and possessing the witness of Yahusha the Messiah.”
    Revelation 14:12 : “Here is the endurance of the saints, here are those guarding the commands of God and the belief of Yahusha.”
    Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 : “Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear God and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! For God shall bring every work into right-judgement, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.”
    1 John 2:17 : “And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but the one doing the desire of God remains forever.”
    Revelation 22:12-14
    “And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work.
    I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
    Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.”
    Romans 16:24-27 : “The favour of our Master Yahusha the Messiah be with you all. Amen.
    And to Him who is able to establish you according to my Good News and the preaching of Yahusha the Messiah, according to the revelation of the secret which was kept silent since times of old, but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the everlasting God, for belief-obedience.
    To Alahim (God), wise alone, be the esteem, through Yahusha the Messiah forever. Amen.’

    • @garlandjones7709
      @garlandjones7709 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you translate "son of man" to "son of Adam"?

  • @ChildofGod943
    @ChildofGod943 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this so much! Where is the scripture to pray to the holy spirit?

  • @Lucyabdul
    @Lucyabdul 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why you said the rapture is not imminent?

  • @russcollins4762
    @russcollins4762 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sh'mot 23 .3 six days work may be done but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest a Holy Convocation.
    2 pet.3.8 a day with the LORD is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day
    Sh'mot 23.24 on the 1st day of the 7th month you shall have a rest a reminder by the blowing of trumpets
    This feast was delayed forty years on account of the bad report of the spies.
    Yehoshua 5.13-chptr.6 notice ;
    7 priests 7 trumpets 7 days 7 times the Ark of Covenant a shout and they go straight up to claim their inheritance.
    Mat.24.30-31 He will send fourth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other
    Rev.8.1-2 i saw the seven angels who stand before God and seven trumpets were given to them
    Rev.11.15 - 19
    Shalom

  • @calbarrant
    @calbarrant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shalom. When this message will be translate to spanish? Please

  • @ifounditandyoudidnothosttr9224
    @ifounditandyoudidnothosttr9224 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you please tell me one thing man did not tell you? all have fallen short, of knowing him..listen if you have ears..

  • @isabelaroyan7180
    @isabelaroyan7180 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened to v.13?

  • @gabrielaacevedo4107
    @gabrielaacevedo4107 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,
    "What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
    As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
    Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
    But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
    And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
    And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
    He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
    Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.
    If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
    And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
    Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
    Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
    Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
    That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
    Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
    That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
    As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
    Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
    But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
    All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
    Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
    But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
    Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
    When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
    Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
    Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
    Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
    Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
    Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
    For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye." Ezekiel 18:1-32 (KJV).
    Hallelujah. Amen. Shalom.

  • @MumzyTube
    @MumzyTube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless you brother and thank you for this very Biblically sound teaching. I have had many say to me that the rapture comes from Darby or the like, but I point out to them that the rapture has been taught throughout Holy writ.
    I tell them, "well you're in for a surprise then". But is this true, will those who do not believe in a rapture prior to the wrath of God be taken? I hope for their sakes they will be.

    • @plowsharesintoswords4693
      @plowsharesintoswords4693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      *WRATH is AAAAAAFTER the 7th Trumpet, so saith:*
      #1)The 24 Elders, *Rev.11:15-*18-19*
      #2)The Holy Spirit inspired John, *Rev.15:1, 7*
      #3)THE VOICE from THE Temple, *Rev.16:1*
      *Rev.6:*17 is AAAAAAFTER the 6th Seal is opened and are the words of FEARFUL *men** which contradict the 3 Witnesses of Scripture posted above.
      *JUDGEMENT of the people of Earth* comes AAAAAAFTER the number of MARTYRS is completed, **Rev.6:9-11* which comes AAAAAAFTER the first 3 1/2 years:
      *Dan.**7:25**-27*
      *Dan.12:*7*
      *Rev.13:*7*
      The 2 Witnesses are MARTYRED Resurrected Called Up and ***REWARDED*** at the LAST TRUMPET:
      ***Rev.11:*12-*18-19***
      When the MYSTERY of God is FINISHED in the days of ***THE VOICE*** of the 7th angel:
      ***Rev.10:5-*7**

    • @plowsharesintoswords4693
      @plowsharesintoswords4693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      **2 Events:**
      *#1)"Rapture":* Jesus *COMING* in the Clouds with great GLORY and *GATHERING,* with feet not touching the earth:
      **Matt.**24:29**-31**
      *#2)"2nd Coming":* Jesus *COMING* with the ARMIES of heaven and *DESTRUCTION:*
      **Rev.19:11-21**
      NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus *COMING* at Pre Tribulation, NO SCRIPTURES show a Resurrection at Pre Tribulation, NO SCRIPTURES show a "LAST TRUMPET" at Pre Tribulation.

    • @garlandjones7709
      @garlandjones7709 ปีที่แล้ว

      The wrath begins with the seals. This is explicit in Revelation

  • @Moto4Christ
    @Moto4Christ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing! You are a blessing! Im praying for you and your family!
    I am watching and expecting for the rapture/event to happen sometime this week during Passover up until April 23rd, or next Saturday April 30th during the new moon, it will also be the last day of "Ramadan" and "May day" May 1st in the eastern side of the world.
    Right now Putin's heart is being hardened from all the hate from everyone on earth, he is like a modern day Pharaoh, this parallel's with the story of Passover where the Pharaoh's heart was hardened. I heard a few years ago that Russia will be the one to start global nuclear war.
    A few brothers and sisters have had dreams of Passover and rapture dreams with a new moon. Sister Darla from "God's gifts" YT channel had a dream that "It was all over during Passover" and had a dream "The 23rd will be something to behold", April 23rd is the last day of Passover.
    "Holly 2 moons" YT channel has had 2 dreams about the new moon.
    And a brother from "The unleashing" YT channel had a dream that the rapture happened on a Saturday!
    I believe that 2022 (Up until May 5th/6th (Iyar 5) or May 14th 2022) is the year of the rapture because Israel is turning 74 years old on May 5th/6th or May 14th and the rapture must happen before then in order for the Fig Tree prophecy to be correct. And I believe God is waiting until the very last moment which is the last new moon before May 14th 2022.
    On my channel there WAS a video of a sister that had a very detailed vision of the rapture/event (TH-cam deleted it), she says that the rapture/event will be a bright white light lasting a few minutes and we will be transformed into our heavenly glorified bodies and brought up to heaven.
    We will not experience any pain during the rapture/event.
    I give full glory to God/Jesus for this message because I have been praying everyday for God/Jesus to reveal this information to me so that I can share it with everyone.
    "If God/Jesus is everything, then we must be inside God/Jesus, and God/Jesus must be inside us"
    See you in heaven!
    Pray and repent of your sins to God/Jesus, not to be saved, but to show respect to God/Jesus and strengthen your relationship.
    God/Jesus loves everyone of you like as if you were the only person in the entire universe!
    Share this message with your family and friends!
    God bless you and your family!

    • @margaretgreen1957
      @margaretgreen1957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't set dates as the Lord will come at a time you do not expect. We need to be ready at all times for either Yeshua coming or us going! Also do not be deceived by other people having dreams or visions, stay close to Gods Word or you will be so easily deceived as there is already a great deception coming upon this world. The Bible tells us to Take Heed lest no one deceives you! Sola Scripture!

  • @myneshalommshalom4359
    @myneshalommshalom4359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    En español porfavor

  • @qesther1241
    @qesther1241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will those who do not believe in the rapture also be caught up?

    • @garlandjones7709
      @garlandjones7709 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is no definitive answer in scripture, but if you go by pattern, concept, and theme, then NO. Because of lack of faith/trust.

    • @BrandonBeckham
      @BrandonBeckham 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What does an understanding or misunderstanding of the Rapture have to do with our Redemption In Christ? The Rapture isn't The Gospel.

  • @noemialvarado4538
    @noemialvarado4538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    en espanol por favor

  • @Lk4ahro
    @Lk4ahro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have no righteousness but that of christ. You are teaching law keeping . Day after the rapture you'll be in ur magnificent church building saying "it cant have been the rapture...We're all still here!!!"

    • @iloveyeshuamessiahforever2934
      @iloveyeshuamessiahforever2934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So keeping the law of “do not murder” means we are free to murder? So keeping the law of having “NO other GODS” means we may worship false deities and idols? So keeping the law of “do not steal” means we may now become thieves and steal? ETC.. Look, we are in the New Covenant, are you aware of it? It’s in the book of Hebrews and Jeremiah. Read this New Covenant in context Jeremiah 31:33 - But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My LAW in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. Matthew 5:17-20 - Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. John 14:15 - If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 15:10 - If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His love. Even Paul concludes to uphold/keep the law - Romans 3:31-Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law. 😃

    • @garlandjones7709
      @garlandjones7709 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul taught to keep the law. As did John, James, and Jesus also. Never will you find the idea thwt we shouldn't unless misreading Paul.

    • @BrandonBeckham
      @BrandonBeckham 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're incorrectly conflating "law keeping" with the unequivocal biblical mandate that we walk in holiness.
      You're redeemed In Christ in order that you should walk properly In Christ.

  • @mitchellc4
    @mitchellc4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello
    The rapture is the catching up to meet Jesus as he descends earth at the second coming
    The Christian hope is not to “go to heaven” but to inherit the earth made new
    When a royal visitor or important figure would come you would go out to meet them and escort them into the city
    Jesus is coming to the earth to rule the nations with believers
    Believers will go up to meet him and descend to the earth with him
    There is no pre second coming resurrection
    The resurrection of believers is at the second coming
    1 Cor 15
    22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
    Not before

    • @garlandjones7709
      @garlandjones7709 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is an incorrect view. Happy to discuss. John was absolutely pre-trib as was Paul.