Great video. Are you now living in Germany and what are you doing for work there atm? Your German has seriously improved well done! I think you should have asked that pretty girl out fur einer kaffee :)
You absolute legend. What kinda work trial and which city you in? :) Im good thanks, still learning German and great to see your videos again.....they are missed :)
@@gregprouse1173 yeah so it was a video editor. Amazing company and people. Currently just chilling in Hannover. But yeah more to come about the people ;)
@@yourtruebrit Great industry mate. Let me know if you get the full time position :) Hannover is super nice. My uncle used to live there for years working for the hospital. Keep those videos coming :) want to see that channel explode :)
Biggest difference in this video: Germans have only nice things to say about Austria and Austrians, while Austrians describe Germans as arrogant and stingy, less open, less fun, more serious with annoying accent and overall worse... while considering themselves friendly and open minded.
Yes because the propaganda here pushes a love-hate relationship (more hate than love, petty jealousy etc), because since 1945 they'rep ushing lies that we are a "seperate ethnicity" (sometimes outright claiming we're a "mixed ethnicity", just because some peasants fucked Hungarians and Croats in the border regions, that doesn't make it true for everyone) to distance Austria from Germany and even pretend we were Hitler's first victim, which is ridiculous.
@@karlelias Lauter HuKinder hier eben. Sch*ul und peinlich, bei Fußball WM lieber für die Inselaffen schreien als für die Nachbarn (selber reißen wir ja nichts)...
Die Österreicher loben sich vor allem immer sehr gerne selber, dass sie angeblich so viel humorvoller und freundlicher seien. Ich habe einige Zeit dort verbracht und kann das nicht bestätigen. Sie sind vielleicht einen Ticken entspannter, aber bei weitem nicht so sehr, wie das gerne behaupten, meiner Meinung nach.
"Nicht hoffnungslos" spiegelt dann wohl den Optimierungsdrang und das Selbstwirksamkeitsbewusstsein der Deutschen. 😁 Das "nicht ernst" eben den Unernst der Ausis. 😄
I'm a Bavarian living in Greece. From my experience the cultural differences are not so much between Austria and Germany as between the traditionally catholic and protestant regions. Whenever I meet Austrians it's very easy for me to connect, because we're culturally so similar. I feel culturally closer to Austrians than to people from Hannover or Berlin or Dresden. I also can connect easier with people from Köln than with people from Bremen.
@@helgaioannidis9365 Nice saying, the Aristotle! ☺️ Also I agree with the north-south / protestant-catholic hypothesis. Esp. Bavaria & Austria have much in common.
@@thinkandthank7406 with atheists usually it's easier to connect from my experience. As a German with Jews it always feels awkward I have to admit. German guilt makes me be afraid of being in some way offensive and I've been treated very poorly by Jews as soon as they found out I was German, which didn't help make me feel less guilty. With Buddhists I don't really have much experience, haven't met many, so I couldn't tell.
I am half greek - lefkas island - and half austrian - vienna. My Austrian dad always said that the Bavarians are more similar to the Austrians- and I believe it too. Greeks believe that Germans are cold and can be rude and they believe that Austrians are the same, until they get to interact with then. I work as a tour guide in summer in kefalonia and I have to admit, it's mostly easier to work with Austrians and Bavarians than with Germans. I just think that they are more.. "heiter"...
A British family adopts a baby from Germany. They name the boy Gus, short for Gustav. He’s a studious infant, rarely crying and rarely causing much a fuss. The baby grows into a serious but healthy little boy, the only hiccup is that he doesn’t talk. The parents don’t care, they love Gus and he’s a great kid overall. Then, one day, when Gus is seven, the family is at a restaurant and out of nowhere, for the first time EVER, Gus lifts his head and tells the waiter his soup is cold. His parents are blown away, Gus can speak!! They wipe the tears from their eyes and ask if he can speak, why hasn’t he spoken til now? Gus ponders for a moment and replies: “Up until now, everything has been satisfactory”.
@ali kamel nice ali you have ruined the joke. It was funny, in my country germans are remembered as serious people by those who have lived with them, the same can be said about the dutch and belgians
Germans and Austrians will focus the small differences between them and blow them out of proportion, people from neither countries visiting them will notice the massive similarities rather than the minor differences
@@mark9294 No. Korea is a different culture compared to Japan. Austria has been (a equal and often leading) part of Germany for 1000 years. Culturally speaking, Bavarians and Austrians are twins.
@@mark9294 Korea and Japan are completely different people, cultures, genetics. Germans and Austrlians are literally the same except for external political separation.
As an Austrian having lived in the U.K. Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal and France (overseas department) I would say that Austrians think that they are at the center of the world, a very important country. If you lived like me in any of the before mentioned countries you actually never hear about Austria.
@@afjo972 Ist jecht so. Österreich ist für Deutsche oder große europäische Länder genauso irrelevant wie jedes der 16 Bundesländer einzeln betrachtet. Aber lassen wir die Mehrheit der Österreicher mal in dem Glauben, dass sie etwas gaaaanz Besonderes sind und total viel zu sagen haben. 🤣🤣🤣
You don't hear about Austria in the Netherlands? It is our second favourite holiday destination, and it is on a plot to overtake the French no1 position, as the French are really screwing up their country the last decade. As the lady said: Austria is a little bit Dutch....
The difference between Germany and Austria is that German chancellors stay in office for 16 years (sometimes) while Austria seems to get a new chancellor every few weeks.
I've always admired people like you who are so comfortable with talking to strangers on the street. It requires a lot of confidence! Well done! Fun interview! 😊
I'm Austrian and I like Germany a lot. Frequently going to Berlin or Munich for long weekends and meeting locals. Currently living in Switzerland, which is awesome too. I never understood why people tend to repeat stupid little negative stereotypes, there are just different types of people, outgoing ones, more reserved ones, great ones and less great ones in every culture/country. What the 3 German-speaking countries all have in common: they offer an amazing quality of living! We should be proud, although we're constantly shittalking about our countries. They don't deserve that (be we know anyway).
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 only in the three mentioned above is german a relevant language though. like yeah, technicaly it is an official language in i.e. Belgium as well, but you're not going to get very far and don't have many options in Belgium if you only speak German, same goes for any other country were german speakers are a minority.
@@RyfkahChan ah yes i forgot belgium.. Lichenstien too.. And italy and denmark.. But basicalpy there is 4 noticable states where they primarily speak german.. Germany, austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg..
Austria is wedged between southern Germany and Italy and Slavic countries. And that's exactly how it's people are. Even within Austria people north of the Alps are slightly different in language and customs to the southern people who live closer to Italy and Slovenia. And there also are differences between western and eastern Austria in language, culture and mentality. There also is a Beer/Wine border within Austria.
Ich bin Österreicher und ich muss eher widersprechen, was die Offenheit betrifft: Deutsche sind im Allgemeinen viel offener als Österreicher. Ich war schon an vielen Orten in Deutschland und habe festgestellt, dass die Menschen dort uns Österreichern gegenüber meistens sehr interessiert und überhaupt nicht arrogant sind. Vor meinen Reisen dorthin hatte ich auch diese Vorurteile. Vielleicht sollten jene Menschen in diesem Video, die das Gegenteil behaupten sich selbst mal ein Bild davon machen. 🤷🏻♂️ Deutsche sind meist ganz einfach selbstbewusster als Österreicher, was fälschlicherweise als Arroganz interpretiert wird. Aber eines muss ich schon auch noch loswerden: Österreich hat viel mehr als nur Berge zu bieten 😉
Als Österreicher, der öfter in Deutschland ist, muss ich auch etwas widersprechen - weil ich in beiden Ländern auf Offenheit gestoßen bin. Ich denke, es ist weniger eine Länder- oder Kultursache, eben weil wir uns recht ähnlich sind, sondern hat viel mehr mit der individuellen Persönlichkeit zu tun.
Das finde ich als Deutscher ohne uns da hoch anzupreisen ebenfalls so. Ich liebe Österreich, ist ein wunderschönes Land, man konnte jedoch merken das sie die Deutschen oftmals nicht so gern haben. Denke eher das es von klein auf in ihrem mindset ist das der Deutsche dort als negativ angesehen wird. Habe viele yugoslawische Freunde in Ö welche mich auch ab und zu in D besuchen und alle sind verplüfft und meinen das die Deutschen um einiges offener und sogar humorvoller sind. Natürlich kommt es auch immer drauf an in welchem Teil man von D oder Ö lebt, aber dennoch, das sind meine Erfahrungen
I've never seen your channel before...I like it! Working for a German company in Austria I consider myself kind of an expert regarding this particular matter. First, it needs to be mentioned that it is not possible to draw a line and say "above this line people are like...and below people are like..." The mentality changes gradually from North to South. Yet, there are obvious, macroscopic differences. The relation between Austrians and Germans is very much like between Scots and English. Really. Austrians have funny accents and dialects. Germans have too, but there's only one dialect that might be hard to understand for Austrians: Plattdeutsch. The rest is nothing that would ever make an Austrian scratch his head. Germans will have a much harder time to understand an Austrian once he engages the dialect-turbo. Germans do have a hilarious sense of humour, as well as Austrians, however the Austrian humour is much darker, more sarcastic and soaked with irony. Actually very british (a fact that was confirmed by John Cleese), whereas the German humour reminds one of the American humour. Now to differences concerning how they work philosophy-wise: Germans love to make plans, love discussing details and try to be prepared for the case, if... Austrians are very "hands-on": Start doing it, problems can be resolved on the fly. That's one reason why Austrians tend to be slightly annoyed if they work for German companies... they hate wasting time for imaginery problems that are unlikely to occur. I guess the golden path is somewhat in the middle, however the Germans seem to fear complications and being responsible for them. So nothing will move before fifty-eleven people had a look at it and didn't express their doubts. So in this field the point goes to Austria, I think. Points for being open-minded rather belong to Germany. Austrias society is quite divided. The younger generations indeed are open but there is a strong conservative generation in opposition with the elderly. One thing that was mentioned in your interviews, which is correct, is: Austrians hate it if they get a feeling of being treated arrogantly by the Germans. Like "oh, aren't they cute, those little mountain-ewoks. Now shut up and let the big guys tell how it is done" That really happens from time to time. Just like the Scots, Austrians are quite proud people. As long as you show some respect, Austrians are very warm-hearted people. If you want to know anything specific let me know.
Not sure I would go as far as describing the relationship to those between English and Scots. Historically it's quite different... Scots having been forced into a union with the English and giving up their original language (Gaelic). In the case of Germans and Austrians it's rather that they've been considered as one internally diverse people for the majority of their respective history and only recently being denied a poltical unity.
@@Siegbert85 I'm talking about mentalities and the felt relation to each other, my friend, not history. Of course they are not comparable historically. Each country has its own history. Take a snapshot of the people today analyse their feelings for each other, their mentality, the quirks and feelings. This is what I actually referred to.
agree but would consider bavaria germanys scotland and austria even more distinct like as the irish to the english. edit: atleast culturally they are more comparable in difference. if you say swabians are welsh, rhenish are scousers for example and northerners are like english
Massive thank you to everyone! who joined in this episode!, If I look I was struggling, I was still recovering from long COVID. This is very much British Humour us brits we love to have a laugh about ourselves. Small teaser on the next episode at the end.
Apples and oranges. The comparison between Germans and Austrians is basically not possible at all, because there are not "the Germans", the same applies to "the Austrians". Someone from Schleswig-Holstein is a completely different breed of people than someone from Baden-Württemberg. Or someone from Vienna and from Styria. Swabians, for example, have more in common with German-Swiss, North German Frisians with Dutch Frisians, than with Austrians or Saxons.
Der Unterschied zwischen D & Ö sind rein regional-kulturelle Abweichungen in Dialekt und Mentalität die genauso zwischen Wien und Tirol oder Berlin und Köln bestehen.
I am German and consider these differences partly (!) to be purely constructed. I would say that Austrians and Germans complement each other, as well as the parents of Mozart, whose father was German and mother Austrian. My opinion.
His mother was not Austrian. She was from Salzburg, a free city of the german empire. Salzburg was not part of Austria. But Austria to this time was also part of the german empire (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation).
@@Wunderbutzi There was no German empire or nation within the scrum imperium romanum or the Bund, these were just alliances similar to the European Union, but much less integrated than the latter.
Der gelernte Österreicher, speziell Wiener, ist gerne grantig, das ist eine Lebenseinstellung. Als Ausgleich hat ihm der Herrgott eine große Dosis schwarzen Humor mitgegeben, damit er sich selbst und die Welt ihn besser erträgt 😁 Liebe Grüße aus Wien 😉
Ja Servus - des kann man jetzt aber auch über den Oberbayern, Schwaben oder sogar Erzgebirgler sagen… Erst im Westen ab dem schönen Baden wird nicht mehr so viel gegrantelt und im Norden und Ostern wird sich halt richtig beschwert aber nur wenn es Not tut…
Ich als Norddeutscher bin super gern in Wien. Für mich das weltoffenste Volk von allen Österreichern und die Leute wirken von außen hart aber haben einen goldenen Kern- Einmal hat sich einer bei mir entschuldigt, dass er unter einem Platz im Restaurant ein Fahrradteil liegen gelassen hat, welches ich nichtmal bemerkt habe :-D Aber sonst wirkte er auch super freundlich und auch mit dem Mitarbeiter von der Shell-Tanke kannste ohne Probleme ein Schwätzchen halten. Da fand ich viele Leute in Linz unfreundlicher
I spent time in both West germany and Austria when I was in the army. I learned German that is considered Berliner German. When I was stationed in northern Germany I had no problems communicating. However, southern Germany and Austria was another story. The dialect was different and they had different words for the same thing. It was a lot of fun, because they would always politely correct me and help me learn. When I was stationed in Hungary, the second language was German, Austrian German. I felt right at home. Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Hollander, I love them all!
From what i encountered when meeting Austrians is that some have some sort of inferiority complex. Many feel the need to tell you how awesome Austria is compared to Germany and the Germans are normally not really impressed (i mean we shit talk our country all the time) and this makes them mad. But once they realize that you don't think less of them or Austria they become one of the friendliest people you can imagine. It just takes some time for them to let their defence down a bit.
Wia sam halt a bissl sauer, dass die Deutschen unser schnitzel so durch den dreck zerren Ketchup in der schnitzelsemmel is okay, aber sonst ghört ketchup weg vom schnitzel. Und wir rasten halt aus wenn jemand n Schweineschnitzel "Wiener Schnitzel" nennt. Ein Wiener Schnitzel ist kalb mit nem Hammer flach geklopft und in Butterschmalz gebacken.
Either you don't know Austrians or you don't know what an inferiority complex is. We don't feel inferior to germans, we're simply fed up and annoying with being called Germans. Yea, no shit we're distancing ourselves from you. Because everytime Austria comes up anywhere we'll just be considered a "rogue german province". Our culture will be called german, our achievements will be called german, we will be called german. Just the other day i was recommended a meme video about Austria vs Australia, you know, because of the similar names. Not even half way through the video, in a culinary comparison, he mentions Schnitzel and goes on about Germany. It's just incredibly annoying to constantly have everything you are to just be attributed to a different ethnicity. Living in the region of Austria that gets the most german tourists as well as working in tourism I know the cultural differences well. Austrians disliking Germans won't ever be gone because of those, but maybe if you and everybody else stopped calling us german at every opportunity it would go down a bit.
Some of my Austrian friends told me the difference is Austrians don’t like Germans but Germans like Austrians/ don’t even ever think about Austria. And that could be since that was very new to me😄
Ich denke der größte und vielleicht auch einzige Unterschied ist, dass Deutsche die Österreiche als Deutsche sehen und die Österreicher sich selbst nicht als Deutsche sehen (zumindest die Meisten). Alles andere ist vermutlich mehr auf andere Faktoren zurückzuführen, also wo man in Deutschland ist und ob man auf dem Land oder der Stadt ist, in welchem sozialen Milieu und in welchem Freundeskreis man verkehrt. Die Unterschiede zwischen Oberbayern und dem Emsland sind gewiss größer als die Unterschiede zwischen München und Wien. Selbes gilt für die Schweizer im Hinblick auf Basel und Freiburg. Das politische Selbstverständnis mag auch anders sein, aber das ist bloß der Situation geschuldet.
Also ich als Österreicher finde nichts schlimmer, als wenn mir jemand sagt "eigentlich bist du ja auch deutsch" Ganz schlimm z. B. auch im Urlaub. wenn du sagst du bist aus "Austria" gibt es für die meisten nur 2 Antworten. A) Australien🦘 oder B) aaaah! Germany!
naja Österreicher sind nun mal Deutsche, hab eher das Gefühl die versuchen sich so weit wie möglich von Deutschland zu entfernen wegen der ganzen Nazi geschichte, tun auch gerne so als wären sie zu irgendwas gezwungen worden...
@@svenjelen2263 Naja Österreicher ist halt keine Ethnie. Ja, du hast nicht die deutsche Nationalität, aber egal ob es dir gefällt oder nicht: Du bist Deutscher. (Außer natürlich du bist ein Österreicher mit Migrationshintergrund.) Nimm es doch einfach so auf, dass die Leute die Ethnie meinen und nicht die Nationalität.
Die Unterschiede sind die gleichen, wie die, zwischen den Bundesländern in Deutschland. Also es gibt nur leichte Unterschiede. Ich finde es gut, daß du in diesem Video probiert nur deutsch zu sprechen. learning by doing is the best way. Viel Erfolg dir noch. Grüße aus 39104
Össtereich ist einfach eine Abspaltung von Bayern dass ist faktisch so und dazu kommt dass nach dem ww2 die Amis und Engländer nicht wollten dass sie sich zusammen schließen also deusche und össtereicher sind das gleiche volk
What a lovely video, nice topic. I absolutely enjoyed it. Videos like this are a nice way to improve the skills. The difference is that Germany is much more of an issue in Austria than the other way around. In Austria you often lean back a bit and see what is happening in Germany and then decide what to do yourself depending on how things are going and there is a kind of inferiority complex that finally needs to be overcome. In Austria, at the beginning you often make yourself look smaller than you actually are, but when things go well, you quickly become the best of all.
I think there is truth in that and it makes me a bit sad to be honest. I am Austrian but grew up in Germany and the hatred that is simmering inside of some Austrians vs Germans alienates me.
I worked together with Austrians, i know some germans living in Austria and i try to follow austrian feuilleton. Southern germans have more in common with Austrians than with northern Germans, it is pretty funny in my eyes. And when it comes to arrogance you have to nominate the citizens of Vienna. Their arrogance is directed against everyone who is not from Vienna, the famous granteln and their mocking in Wiener Schmäh is peak arrogace. Actually i like it and find it charming, but that is everything else but for sure not openess. One observation i made over the years is that our surrounding smaller neighbors have far more interest in our affairs than we have in theirs and it seems that sometimes that drives them mad. Beeing ignored is the worst thing right ? Maybe it is typical for relationships between nations with different population sizes. The bigger ones tend to orbit more around themselves. Austria is (like the other smaller neighboring nations) barely a topic in germany, maybe when the austrians have some scandals or important elections ongoing and i think most germans think about austria only when they pick a destination for their vacation.
It’s quite interesting what you said about the “bigger/smaller country relationship”. (Especially when these two countries share a common language). I’m French and we have the exact same problem with Belgians and french-speaking Swiss. French people usually only have nice things to say about Belgians such as: “they’re nice”, “their humor is great”, “their beer is great” etc… But in return Belgians say the worst stuff about us and call us arrogant prick all the time. I’ve notices the same king of relationship between the US and english-speaking Canada. (french-speaking Canadians don’t seem to care tho).
Yeah, I always had the impression that people from Vienna are a bit arrogant. This is only based on my experience with them outside of Austria (some people i know at my university are from Vienna and then there are austrian Comedians). I will visit Vienna for the first time this year and I sure my stereotype will be disproven.
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 I grew up in Upper Austria, about 2 h drive west of Vienna. Whenever we went to Greece for vacation, my parents always tried to pick spots at the beach as far away from Viennese families as possible since they found their chattering annoying. I guess Viennese talk too much and what they say either sounds bossy or annoyed. The melody in their spoken language, especially when they speak Viennese standard German (not dialect) can be weird and tiring to other German speakers. Funnily, we never avoided (North) Germans. They are calm and peaceful, just the right company for lazing around at the beach. 😉 We even made friends with Germans and visited each other in Austria and Germany. Happy times! Now I live in Vienna and love the city more than any other I've been to. There is a difference between a city as a whole and the people that inhabitate it. A city is the built result of centuries of development, the current population is only a glimpse.
5:27 👏 We Austrians also love Germans! We are almost similar! I like the landscape in northern Germany! Austria is more mountainous! That's why I like that area! However, nice vid! ❤🇦🇹
As a Bavarian I feel much closer to the Austrians than to the "Porussians" especially because of the same dialect (Bavarian-Austrian or Austrian-Bavarian language). If I talk to an Austrian I do not have to speek High German. I feel often very amused when I see subtitles in the German TV when someone talks in the Austrian dialect - I understand every word. I once saw subtitles even when a Bavarian spoke in our dialect in the German TV and found it very strange, too. The capital (Kreishauptstad) of our county even voted an Austrian with dual citicenship as their new mayor - for them it was like voting a Bavarian they didn't make a difference and they are very pleased with him and in 2020 he was elected again ... Servus, Philipp
I heard someone say "Bayern ist Österreichs 10. Bundesland", ich weiß nie ob ich auf englisch oder deutsch schreiben soll, auf jeden Fall, the feeling is mutual
@@cyreneB Das geht mir ähnlich, ich schreibe mal so, mal so :-) Aber wenn ich sehe, daß alle Antworten auf englisch sind, fühle ich mich auch blöd, dann auf deutsch zu schreiben. Hüten Sie sich aber, diesen Satz "10. Bundesland" in Österreich zu sagen. Meine Verwandten lebten lange in Österreich und besuchen auch heute noch ihre Freunde dort. Nachdem sie einmal mit weiteren deutschen Freunden dort waren, sagte eine (österreichische) Freundin scherzhaft: "Ich gehe jetzt nach Hause, hier sind mir zu viele Deutsche". Ich glaube, dieser Satz "10. Bundesland" stammt noch aus der Zeit vor der Wiedervereinigung, denn jetzt haben wir ja 16 Länder. :-)
@@cyreneB Oh, Entschuldigung, ich hatte Ihre Antwort jetzt irgendwie mißverstanden. Dabei hätte es mir eigentlich klar sein müssen ... (weil sie ja sagten "Bayern ist Österreichs 10. Bundesland") - aber heute bin ich durch den Wetterwechsel sowieso schon leicht "außer Gefecht". Was mir an der Österreichischen Sprache gefällt ist aber auch die Tatsache, daß typische "Altbayerische" Worte erhalten geblieben sind "Topfen - für Quark", "niedergefallen" für hingefallen, "niedersetzen" für hinsetzen, "Stiegenhaus" für Treppenhaus (und auch "Stiege" für Treppe oder "Stiegengeländer" für Treppengeländer - in Bayern: Stiagnglanda). Leider ist in Bayern durch die immer weiter fortschreitende hochdeutsche Sprache dieser Wortschatz zurückgegangen (meine Oma hat sie noch verwendet). Wir in Bayern müssen leider sehr an die Preußen angepaßt reden, auch das unsägliche "Tschüß" ist weit verbreitet, ich sage demonstativ "Servus" - ach, da gibt es viele Beispiele. Kurios bei meinen Verwandten: Mein Onkel (Hesse), der sehr nach der Schrift spricht, liebt Österreich so sehr, daß ich einmal scherzhaft sagte: "So wie Du liebt kaum ein Österreicher Österreich, sie haben unzählige Bücher über Österreich, sodaß man fast meinen könnte, sie wären Exil-Österreicher in Deutschland ...) Eine weitere nette Geschichte: Vor einigen Jahren feierte der Bayerische Rundfunk sein Jubiläum. Dabei wurden Passanaten auf der Straße befragt, unter anderem ein Österreichisches Ehepaar. Sie sagten: "Das bayerische Fernsehen wird auch in Österreich gerne gesehen". Das stimmt auch, denn beim Worteraten "Host mi" der Sendung "Wir in Bayern" rufen oft Österreicher an, entweder nennen sie zu erratende Wörter oder sie rufen an, weil sie eines wissen. Dann gewinnt man "Wir in Bayern-Tassen" (oder Bierkrüge zur "Wiesn-Zeit") Ganz liebe Grüße aus Niederbayern - Philipp Bock
@@philippbock3399 ka Problem. Ich bin Steirerin und ich find das steirisch und bayrisch viel ähnlicher klingt als zB der dialekt in NÖ oder so. Ist aber nur mei Eindruck. Servus und Baba aus der Steiermark
overall i think australia really is a beautiful and unique country!! very mild winters hot summers and exclusive animals like the kangaroo what makes it really hard to compare with germany
As a Swede living in Vienna some five years now and having visited several places in Germany, my personal opinion is that there are differences. It is hard to pinpoint exactly which differences there are, but do this small test (if you dare): call an Austrian for German and the other way around. You will get very strange looks and likely a lecture. Personally I think this has it roots in religion. Do not forget and underestimate that Austria AND southern Germany are catholic and northen Germany is protestant. "The border" is not what you see on the map, it is vaguely drawn somewhere over southern Germany. An educated Austrian could for example tell you that when living your life "you need to pay attention to Gods laws, societys laws and your personal laws". This would make no sense to a northen German but any Austrian would easily understand it. Christoph Waltz (the actor) described the differences with "first, Austrians tend to be very polite, and second they don´t mean it, while the Germans are never polite and they mean it". :D
I am at the point where I don't assume that anyone belongs to any one particular group. I ask the person where they're originally from. Sri Lankans and Pakistani people hate to be confused with Indians and Egyptians hate to be confused with Arabs; and so on...
What I noticed is an interesting way of collectivizing: for Northern Germans anything Southern looks very similar, so Bavarian culture appears almost indistinguishable from Austrian one which in turn doesn't allow to have a perfect diochotomy, so Austrians are perceived as being somewhat German but still a bit different from what they're used to. For Austrians on the other hand, they seem to think all Germans are culturally similar so it's very easy to pick apart every minute little difference.
Yes, that's true. Bavaria, even though some similarities exist in the south of it, is still seen as very different to Austria. Bavaria: The differentiation has to do with it being a formal enemy (napoleonic wars) and also with the shared Austro-Bavarian dialect, which, in case of Bavaria, is considered to be more German- and Franconian-influenced in terms of grammar and vocabulary, but also has a distinct Bavarian pronouciation, that can only be explained through the many centuries of Bavaria and Austria being their own political entities and also being seperated geographically through the Alps and to a lesser degree through rivers like Inn and Traun. The most Bavarian area in Austria is the Innviertel (aproximatly located between the two rivers mentioned), which has the typical Bavarian sounding, but strongly mixed with Austrianess and in some areas the Bavarian features even got completly replaced by Austrian ones since its incorperation into Austria. Culturally Bavarians are way more into celebrations and beer (e.g. October fest), while Austrians don't even really celebrate their own national holday. Germany: In general Germany as a whole is considered to be the country made from the mess of all the small states of the HRE (It's neither one thing, nor the other. So no culture sticks out). This mess then was united through Prussian seriousness and militarism (war with France), which brings me to the next point: We think that Germany permanently was either in war with France, united with France or an ally of France. So we Austrians generally connect Germany with France and also both France and Germany are connected with arrogance and strong militarism, which leads to our perception of both being similar. i.e. arrogant. France has one benefit though: It's internationally considered the country of love, which also shaped the Austrian minds in that direction.
@@Leo-uu8du Interesting. The point about Germany and France being similar is news to me. In fact from my experience Austrians use more French words compared to Germans and the whole Viennese Baroque style reminds me very much of Versailles.
@@Siegbert85 That's true for Vienna. Overall I would argue that Italian and Slavic, but also Hebrew loanwords are actually more common throughout Austria if you don't consider the Viennese dialect and even within Vienna French words aren't used more often than in Germany. E.g. No one uses words like Portemonnaie, Tschüss or Aubergine (these specific examples are even considered "typical German terms" in Austria). I guess the French influence is at least as strong in Germany as in Austria for four reasons: 1) Germany has a direct border with France and therefore most likely lots of cultural and lingual exchange happened. 2) French was used by the elite (also in Austria and in the rest of Europe) 3) Napoleon was allied with many German states like Bavaria, which led to even more loanwords (newer and also non-aristocratic vocabulary was adapted. E.g. Bavarians use "Merci" and many French curse words). 4) Germany was occupied by France on a much larger scale and for a longer time than Austria after the world war.
@@Leo-uu8du die gesprochene sprache in österreich ist linguistisch gesehen ein bayrischer unterdialekt klar gibt es unterschiede allgemein kann man hier aber nicht von zwei verschiedenen gruppen der deutschen sprache sprechen
@@Leo-uu8du Germany is much larger than Austrian and has various region. Some french loan words might be common in one region, other loan word in another region. There was also French migration to central and north-eastern Germany. Some loan words are hard to recognice meanwhile, like „Kinkerlitzchen“ (small things) from quincailleries, „Muckefuck“ (coffee substitute) from mocca faux, "etepetete" (fussy) from Être peut-être or "aus dem Lameng" (without preparation) from la main (hand). Even the preception can very from region to region. Things Austrians or Swiss decribe as German arrogance can be preceived as typical West German within Germany. From the other (German) perspective you get the impression tha Austrian overemphasise their minor differences to Germany which comes accross as somewhat like an inferiority complex, as if they feel not to be recognized enough.
I guess in general, from my experience, I'd see us as pretty similar (Austrians I know and myself being from Westphalia). The main difference I've found was the being more laid back thing over there. Where the Austrians I know were taking their sweet time with what they're working on, us Germans were trying to get the job done asap and then be done with work. So making work more enjoyable vs trying to get more time without work to then enjoy. Just a different approach to achieve the same thing, in a way. That said, at 10 times the population, you're probably gonna have more variation within Germany itself than between the countries.
a lot of austrian's get paid per time not per work, so sometimes people would work "slow" on purpose bc sometimes when they would give 100 %, the boss would regard that as normal push for more while not paying more, so a lot of people try to get the speed out of it in order not to get taken advantage off, just an observation
As a german i can say that, having just found out about our history, we germans like Austrians very much and always keep our fingers crossed for them at the world cup when germany is out. That's not the case with the swiss.
I love this video, it's very inspirational for me as a German learner. It's obvious you were a beginner in this vid, but I mean that as a compliment, because you made complete sense and were able to confidently communicate. Incredible, I want to be as confident as you.
I thought the same. His grammar is imperfect, for example not knowing that Frage is feminine, but conversationally he can still speak well which is more important.
The thing is that we are so similar, that we often focus and exaggerate our differences. South germany has more in common with austria and Switzerland, north germans are closer to Denmark or the Netherlands. In the big picture we are very similar.
Germans: Austria has beautiful landscapes, the people are friendly and open. Always had a pleasant time there. Interesting dialect. Austrians: The germans are cold and strict. We don't like the germans because of history (because we like to pretend Hitler wasn't austrian and the majority wanted the Anschluss). Austria is more beautiful and better in general, high german sounds annoying. Also, germans are stingy, snobby and yeah, we are friendlier. Really makes you wonder...
Yes it really makes you wonder how anyone would think it makes sense to base your assessment of a whole ethnic group on the statements of 5 to 10 people 👍
As a German I lived in Austria for ten years and got around there pretty much on business travels. First thing I would say: There are no „Austrians“. Vienna people differ from Carnutians or Tyrolians quite a lot. Also there is a sharp difference between town people and country folks. That holds for Germany, too - and I guess for the rest of the world. So, how can you compare them by states? Look at history and how the borders came to pass as they are now. Culture doesn‘t care about borders. The main difference is not between Germany and Austria but rather between Catholicism and Protestantism. The border is somewhere around the Danube before it turns south.
Why are catholic Austrians and Germans more racist and closed off or worse hostile to foreigners or to people from different ethnicities and cultures ? I know this is a generalisation, but it’s what I’ve broadly observed
@@sunflower9680 That's relative. Stereotypes. You find openness and hostility on all sides. (I am a grown-up catholic Bavarian in a multi-cultural "diaspora" in Europe.)
AS a Taiwanese, I had traveled to Germany for quite many times, but only one time to Austria. That's because most of ppl I met, no matter in restaurant, Cafe, train, hotel...ppl made me feel they had no patient, and they're in bad mood. I seldom to get a smile. And the signs for hiking . Be honest is quite poor, I almost got lost. So even I'm so admire the culture, music there. But so far still not think to visit again.
My personal experience is that the difference between Germans and Austrians is as much or as little as between people from different parts of Germany. Compares a Bavarian to a Frisian or a Rhinelander: quite a big difference. Compare a Bavarian or even a Swabian to an Austrian: not so much difference. Compare Germans and Austrians to Swiss: big difference IMO. Southern Germany has a lot of culture and heritage in common with Austria. Maybe even more than with the more Prussian Protestant North.
Austria is very conservative in many ways, and more private I would say. Germans I feel like tend to be less cold to other people most of the time, but if you make an Austrian friend they are very close and friendly. Austria feels more relaxed also, we do have the most payed days off in the world if I remember correctly. We also have a different kind of patriotism. Germans pretend to be quite uncomfortable with patriotism, but turn out patriotic in the end, while Austrians have a more ironic/self-aware patriotism ("We live in a banana republic, but it is our banana republic and I guess we have nice mountains.").
Tbh I hate our attitude towards patriotism. In this aspect it is true that Germans are arrogant. Vienna arrogance is much more personal than this weird patriotism of ours. "We have the best engineers, we are always on time, we love order" and so on.
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 Moving to Germany completely demolished any stereotype I had of "perfect German efficiency". Every second train I take is at least 5 minutes delayed, if not more, and anything involving bureaucracy is slowed down by endless red tape. The only part that seems based on reality is mostly down to a sensible workplace culture. Nobody is expected to work overtime, only to not be lazy
Finde ich überhaupt nicht. Österreicher erscheinen ziemlich patriotisch; zumindest betonen sie sehr oft, wie viel besser Österreich und die Österreicher sind im Vergleich zu Deutschland/ den Deutschen. Sie erscheinen schon sehr stolz auf sich und ihr Land.
I'm from southern Germany, and historically/culturally speaking Austrians and Bavarians are basically the same people. They speak the same dialect and are Catholic. Historically, southern Germany and northern Germany have greater differences, than southern Germany has with Austria and Switzerland. For centuries, Vienna was the capitol of the Holy Roman Empire, covering the entire German speaking realm. Later on, after the Holy Roman Empire dissolved, Austria and Prussia were competing over uniting all Germans. Prussia was northern, and barely was able to unite the southern Germans, who were more Austrian by nature. Today, really an Austrian views German culture and people in a Prussian context, since Prussia united the land that later became "Germany". But really we are all the same people, despite what some Austrians and Germans may think. This is why Austrians from Mozart to Hitler considered themselves German. There was no concept of a separate identity between Germans and Austrians until after WW2.
5:18 I think he said "Kälter, ne?" ("Colder, aren't they?") and not "Kay, danke" ("Okay, thanks"). And when the subtitles said "???" he said "'Kalter Norden' sagt man so" ("'Cold north' as they/people say"). Also, at 5:34 the man said "schöner drauf" ("in a better mood" or maybe "acting nicer") and not "schöner" ("more beautiful"). 😂 6:23 She said "Ja, doch" (≈ "Yes, I am") and not "Ja, toll" ("Yes, great"). 8:05 "Was geht?" means "What's up?" and not "What's happening?".
Was die Österreicher als eigenständige Kultur deklarieren, ist bloß eine Differenz von vielen im deutschen Kulturkreis. Dann wäre auch der Rheinländer bei den Schwaben ein Ausländer, oder der Friese in Sachsen. Natürlich hat Österreich seine Eigenheiten wie der Bayer, oder der Hesse. Diese Differenz zu anderen deutschen Kulturen, legt er aber aus als käme er aus Bolivien, oder Indonesien.
Yeah, the Scots are always special when I listen to debates in the House of Commons. But the Ulster people too, but very different from the Scots. Only that the Irish English for me is a little easier to follow than the Scottish one.
I remember when I went to Belgium as a student, there was a student from Austria and he went around his floor in the student residence knocking on doors to introduce himself to other students and the Belgian students didn't get it. As an American, it seemed normal to me though.
I'm Austrian and I confirm your statement 👍🏻 I've been to many places in Germany and i mostly got friendly and open minded feedback from the people there. ☺️
Als eine Migrantin, die seit mehr als 10 Jahren in Österreich lebt, muss ich sagen, dass Deutsche freundlicher sind als Österreicher. Nicht böse gemeint. Ich habe deutsche und österreichische Freunde und ich habe gut beobachten können, dass meine deutschen Freunde viel mehr Humor haben. Aber es kann sein, dass dies alles eher mit der individuellen Persönlichkeit zu tun hat. Meiner Meinung nach, haben Deutsche und Österreicher mehr Gemeinsamkeiten als Unterscheide. Eine Gemeinsamkeit wäre natürlich die Sprache und der Dialekt ist kein wirklicher Unterschied, weil es auch in Deutschland viele Dialekte gibt. Ein Unterschied wäre vielleicht die Verhaltensweisen, zB: wie man Entscheidungen trifft und Sachen angeht. Die wichtigste Gemeinsamkeit zwischen Deutschen und Österreicher ist die gemeinsame Ethnie, die nicht vergessen werden darf.
I went on a river cruise from Amsterdam to the Black Sea along the Rhein, the Rein-Danube Canal and the Danube.We were one week in Germny.on both sides of the river / canal/river, in Germany people were walking, cycling or running for leisure . As soon as our boat crossed the German/Austrian frontier , no onre was exercising any more . There was no exercising in Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania. Only the Germans were working hard at exercising , and keeping fit. Every other nation was a bit lazy like we British
Big respect to you going out to the streets and interviewing when your German - and I don’t meant this unkindly - still has a long way to go. Keep at it like this and you will make progress and soon find even better understanding - and yes, it is definitely pronounced “VEEN”
Ich lerne Deutsch selbe und ich habe dieses Video sehr interessant gefunden. Ich habe dein Akzent sehr gemocht und es war sehr toll zu sehen wie die andere Leute ihre Sprache entwickeln. Sehr gut gemacht und ich warte auf dein nächstes Video!!!
Haha, it's just typical me at the moment when you don't understand a word (and even subs are like ???)) but still nodding and agreeing while listening))
Which Germans? It is a mistake to put all the Germans together, considering we are getting that picky.. Austrians might have their differences with Hamburgers and Westphalians for sure, but they are pretty much the same as Bavarians. Same customs, same cuisine, almost identical dialect.. peoples and cultures are not artificially divided by man-made borders. Instead, they form a CONTINUUM. Like shades of different colors.
@@dorarechter9006 er wurde in Österreich geboren und ist dort aufgewachsen. Kulturell und ethnisch war er Österreicher. Da braucht man gar nicht diskutieren. Ich finde es eher unreflektiert von dir, dass du es offenbar nicht akzeptieren willst bzw., es marginalisierst.
its pretty hard to say what germans and austrians think. Im bavarian/austrian and i would say south bavaria fits better to austria then vienna. The tradition of bavaria and austria is similar. So talkin about „the germans“ would include bavaria and we are completely different then the rest of germany. At a party full of germans and austrians .. bavaria would sit next to salzburg and tirol. 😃
thats a pretty cool picture table one: vienna, steiermark etc table 2: as you mentioned table 3: swabians, swiss, baden, some french alsace guys table 4: Rhein Main up to Düsseldorf, Ruhr cities basically NRW without westphalia outer north and bielefeld outer east. table 5: northern hesse & southern Lower saxony (hannover) along westphalia, Lippe table 6: southwest ex gdr , southeast ex gdr table 7:berlin & potsdam table 8: hamburg, bremen and the north west coast, danish northern north table 9: northern east coast last but not least, table 10: luxembourg, german belgium, Saarland most populous an influential by far is table 4
@@BabisseDAllemagne Deine table 6 und 7 sind ahistorisch, die müsste man anders aufteilen, sonst git es Krach an den Tischen: Berlin, Brandenburg, Meck-Pom (Preußen) sowie alles andere EX-DDR (Sachsen) 🤣
yes only people from inside austria or germany hate. For sure a Berliner thinks Austrian tradition is weird they even think bavarian tradition and language weird. And for sure Vienna thinks german are arrogant germany is far away from them and they only know north germany so. Bavarian-Austria borders blur. People in south germany and east austria are different.
I have actually heard Germans and Austrians say that they appreciate one another's differences, because it's a pleasure to take a break from their own lives, visiting and vacationing in each other's lands. It's kind of like the break that one takes when they visit an amusement park (particularly a Disney resort, connected to the parks) -- but on a larger scale, because you've got a lot more land to roam in, and more sights to see.
I am austrian but my father was born in Germany. Language wise, the biggest difference definitely is the tone and flow when speaking. The dialect is also very noticable, obviously, but taking my father as an example, he's been living in Austria for over 20 years now and when he speaks, he doesn't pronounce words like a german, in that sense he sounds austrian, but the way he structures his sentences and his "rhythm" when speaking is just different, it's german. Also, about the animosity between austrian and german people, or maybe it's just the austrians having animosity, hahaha. Obviously, disliking people just because they are different is wrong. But I feel like it's a bit more nuanced than that, precisely because austrians and germans are so close to oneanother and similar in a lot of aspects. Still, there are differences in social norms, culture, world views, etc. generally speaking, and in some ways these differences feel fundamentally different. I know a lot of austrians, myself included, who have had encounters with germans in a social setting and just felt rubbed the wrong way by them. Not because they were mean or arrogant, but just because our personalities weren't really compatible. That being sad, I have family and friends that are german and talking and laughing about cultural differences is something we do all the time. Jokes about how austrians view punctuality compared to germans for example. Just like the lady with the red hair said in this video, Austria and Germany have a long, long history with each other and that history probably influences the way we view each other without noticing or thinking about it.
Canadian, living in America of German descent-my take is northern Germans are uptight, sticklers for the rules, precise and curt, while southerners, Bavarians and Austrians were more laid-back, less formal, more friendly (a relative comparison among teutons). As a Canadian am often asked the same question about the differences between us and the Americans. The wildly different political culture (which Germans and Austrians do not diverge as much us) has created many differences, but essentially we are very similar with minor personal differences.
I come from Bavaria too and I kinda feel the same but sometimes I think they don't feel the same about us, they make fun of us more often, at least that's my experience.
@@sevo8541 funny how different experiences can be. i always feel that way when i'm in the north. especially as a munich resident. you always have to fight against all the bavarian stereotypes before you're ever perceived as a human being. i've never felt that way in austria.
@@sevo8541 Guess that depends where in Bavaria you are from. If you are Franconian then you probably don't feel better about Austrians compared to North Germans. However, I am from Lower Bavaria living close to the border and I definitly feel a lot more attached to Austria than Germany. I would go as far as to say that I would love to see Bavaria and Austria as one country instead of belonging to Germany.
Oh and I too have the feeling that (some) Austrians don't like us all that much whereas to us Germans, we don't really see that much of a difference. But maybe that's precisely why.
Exactly! My Austrian friend was talking about the rivalry between the two countries and how the Austrians hate the Germans. And she was shocked to hear that we don’t hate them at all, I guess Austria is just not something we ever think about, but they get compared to Germany all the time and probably dislike that.
as a Taiwanese, I would say that most of the east Asians are not concerned about how Germany and Austria are different. We care more about how Austria and Australia are different 😂😂😅
They say, austrians are more beautiful, open etc. then germans, especially the "therapist" and the most adorable person was the german blonde chick. Nice editing
Seawas :) der Unterschied zeigt sich extrem in der Sprache und beim Schmäh (Witz). Wir Österreicher mögen schwarzen Humor, Sarkasmus und Selbstironie enorm 😂 ich hab Mal in Berlin gelebt und gearbeitet und als ich 'pfiati baba' gesagt habe, dachte mein Chef ich sag Papa zu erm (ihm). Ich bin übrigens Wienerin mit einer Steirer Mama also der mix dialekt is a mess, quite literally 😂
Witz und Humor ist ein sozio-kulturelles Phänomen. Nur weil die Art von Witz oder Humor, der z.B. in Norddeutschland existiert dir fremd ist, heißt das nicht dass er nicht existiert.
@@henningbartels6245 Dies ist mir absolut bewusst. Es mag vielleicht Ausnahmen geben aber nach meiner Erfahrung bestätigt sich der Stereotyp des kühlen Norddeutschen, der in den Keller geht um zu Lachen😄
Austrians are being proud to be austrian, while Germans are being ashamed of simply existing. It's not like the Germans wouldn't own their values like punctuality and being highly accurate. It's carrying the weight of guilt on our shoulders. Something about history. Germans take little pride in their nationality, they only feel a certain relief at soccer games - one of few occasions where they are allowed to be cheerful for their identity. I was 13 years in school. My whole history lessons consisted of being shamed for starting both wws. - a german woman, 30 years old
Hi , das sehen viele Deutsche nicht so mit den beiden Weltkriegen , denn man weiß der erste Weltkrieg wurde wegen Österreich ausgelöst und beim zweiten war A.H Österreicher , die Nachbarländer um Österreich wissen um Österreich. Den Deutschen fehlt nur Selbstbewusstsein. Als Deutscher kann man über Österreich nur lachen.
I keep telling people, it's not the germans who are to blame, it's those austrians you should look out for. Germany thr country declared both wars but they were both started by an austrian, also ww1 was just an example of a europian war and imp should not be put in the same context as ww2
@@Marlin123 Short try to give you some sentiment on why you could just try to widen the horizon instead of trying to point out the REAL EVIL nations. 1. Different Germanic Kingdoms have fought wars with and against each other 2. Obvious but both germans and austrians fought in WW1 AND 2 and as you have observed, WW1 was very different from WW2. The fact that Hitler was able establish himself IN GERMANY and rise to the top IN GERMANY and had to perform a coup on the current leader after years of preparation should not be left out of the picture. You may argue that austrians supported hitler and greeted him with open arms but don't forget the situation of the nation back then - a fraction of a country that was previously in monarchy rule for hundreds of years and the idea of having a similar status is something that it's people could easily be convinced to. 3. If you think that humans are any different anywhere else, just check out how czechoslovakia treated the remaining small number of ... "only" 3 million german inhabitants after WW2... Or almost any place of eastern europe that had a german speaking population for that matter. (Hint: today there are almost none left) Keep in mind - that those were functioning societies, destroyed / killed / deported that are not necessarily typically austrian OR german having their own political parties. (In czechoslovakia they had a reasonably big percentage for a minority that could not yet fully decided where to lean towards after WW1). So now with czechoslovakia having used worker camps, deportation, death march AFTER the WW2 on the remaining germans - aren't they worse? Has the curse maybe been passed on to them? Or were they just nicely trying to give the Sudeten Germans a "small" taste of their own medicin? (Small in a sense of - only a mere number of 3 million people affected) Or more importantly... have you warned the people about them already?
Your people didn't start both world wars. You started WW2 after being fed up with what had been done to you following WW1 which was in fact mostly planned and put into motion by British Intelligence and their lackeys (like the Black Hand). The Germans also tried to end WW1 on mutual terms with the "allies" so that the continent (especially the heartland) wouldn't be destroyed and laid to waste with millions more dying. The good guys lost World War 1 and were bakmed for starting it, and we're then punished and dehumanized by the most evil empire the world has ever seen, purely out of spite and jealousy. What started out as brother wars that should have never happened turned into a d*** measuring contest that the Brits didn't like losing, so they had to throw every rule out and sell their souls just to emerge victorious instead of being on mutual and equal terms with their nemesis the Germans. You're still an occupied and controlled nation with a defeated mindset, and the fact that you're never allowed to be completely proud of your identity and heritage -including the best history of any country and the most inventions and accomplishments of any nation- speaks volumes. I hope one day the land of thinkers and poets regain their sanity and pride. ❤🇩🇪
Nuremberg Germany here. You have to hand it to our neighbors, their marketing and PR is way better than ours. The world known most beloved Austrians of all times, Empress Elisabeth “Sissi”, was born in Munich, Germany and Composer Mozart was born in “Salzburger Land”, the region around the city of Salzburg, which back in the day belonged to Bavaria, also Germany. While the German villain of villains, the small bearded motherf Adolf, was in fact born in Braunau, Austria.
Austria is historically german. Because Germans are a group of people. Germany was created after Germans considered themselves German and the Germans outside of Germany still exist. There are a differences between Germans from the north, east, south and west but we have many things in common even when we don't make up one nation.
I like Austria, the culture, their cities and the austrians. I don't care if there are some austrians who think that we germans are unkind and present themselves as better people.
To be honest, it's all petty stuff. Austrians are just another local variant of german population. They way to look at it is to see that there is no "germany" culturally speaking. There is Westphalia, Bavaria, Wurtemberg, Hessen, Bremen, etc. You could just place austrian regions just like that too, Styria, Tyrol, Carinthia, etc. They were all independent states speaking a form of german, thus making up the "german countries", and they all had their own dialect (and some still have). The ONLY reason we have a seperation between the german speaking "counties" (like an american would call them probably) is politics and the tragic past. Without these 2 factors, a unified country would just be a union of all the german speaking counties. Just like scottland, england, wales, etc. make up "Great Britain". Interesting fact: Before 1933 and even then until WW2 turned ugly, the vast majority of austrian politicians and a lot of the populace felt they belong to the german empire. Naturally, as austria was a monarchy of many cultures, and the german speaking people were just one part of it. After all, the language is what shapes identity the most. Even when germany annexed austria, austria did not resist, or fight, instead they welcomed the annexation. It is only politics and the consequences of the ugly war that really pushed these 2 entities apart and to form 2 separate "countries". Historically you could argue that if there was a divide, it was much less about the local populace, and much more about catholics(austria/south) vs protestants (north-german confederation). But that line would have run through middle germany, not south of bavaria.
What are you smokeing . The UK isnt united at all . The are all compleatly different in turms of belives and culture . Its like saying all of America . Your view is totaly wrong . You dont put all german speakers in one pot and say they are the same just politics is why the arnt in one big union . Thats so closed mined
Well for the UK idk if you could say the same as for Austria. English people are Anglo-Saxons and all the other people are Celts : Cornish, Irish, Scottish and Welsh. And for example the Irish always considered themselves as separate. I think it's way more comparable to Canada and the US (Anglo Americans) and Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (East Slavs)
Very similar to India Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. The real divide there is north south (south Indian subcontinent is Dravidian, north Indian subcontinent is Indo aryan, maybe also northeast that's Iranic). And the divide by religion makes no sense.
@@gamermapper well that was the entire point. They are all different in germany too. I feel like I am talking to people here that dont even bother to read and understand. The entire premise of my arguement was that they are different and language is what unifies them across local borders. Language is the single most important factor for tribal conglomeration and subsequently intersocial structures. The arguement was to point out that, if not for power struggles, monarchs, feudalism, etc differences outside of language and religion are superceded by them.
Komisch wie die Österreicher im video sagen dass die Deutschen arrogant sind aber die Österreicher im Video viel arroganter wirken... ich mag euch trotzdem 🥰
Can't understand why Ukrainian and Belarusian are considered languages and Austrian is just a dialect just as Swiss. Stark differences. Inside Germany also judging by a Slavic metric you'd have many languages and not dialects
There is no Austrian dialect. People in the Burgenland speak very different to the people in the Waldviertel, the Innviertel, Styria etc. An Austrian will immediately tell you where the other one is probably from when he hears him talking.
visit this regions for all versions of germany like in the in south: Baden-Baden, Franken, Bavaria, Vienna, Tirol, swabia, basically along rhine river in the west up north into netherlands and then along elbe river in the east. travel the north west and north east coast line, so you complete almost all different german states and cultural lands. you can also include switzerland to the rhine river tour. you will notice the massive differences yourself. it is similar to Londoners vs scousers vs irish vs welsh vs scots, so massive differences indeed but still one country and almost one language.
Can we relate it to Catholic-Protestant division? People from Austria and German Switzerland usually say that they get along with people from Köln rather than Hannover, for example.
On the one hand, the Austrians are just as different from 'the Germans' as the individual German federal states are among themselves, on the other hand they lack the Prussian influence which is nowadays known all over the world as typical German characteristics such as punctuality, hard work and accuracy. (I don't want to rule out that Austrians would not be able to do the same 😉 ) Of course, in the southern German-speaking countries, people like to make fun of the old Prussians, but ultimately the entire economic success of our country is based on their North German influence, and the people here in the north are just more rational in their philosophy of life. It's funny when Austrians call the Germans a bit derogatory as 'Piefke'. This is not a widespread name in Germany, like Meyer or Schmidt, and is therefore rather untypically German. The only really known bearer of this name was 'Johann Gottfried Piefke', who composed the Königgrätzer-March on the occasion of the victory of the Prussians over the Austrians in Königgrätz in 1866. So if this name is still used by the Austrians, you could think that they are still mad that their soldiers ran away back then 😉
Most Germans never even heard heard of the Prussian character, at least where I'm from (southern north Germany) and it has become increasingly frustrating to work with people my age. I feel like my parents are normal, people my age are unreliable.
This video has changed my view of the German language Thanks to Christopher "Christoff" Waltz and the good people of Austria 🇦🇹 By the way , 2:32 is gorgeous!
Had to laugh at that "Austrians are more beautiful". Beauty fades, boy. And when somebody tells me everything is better in Austria - that does not sound arrogant like at all ... such a charming self-confidence, isn't it? Ah, but at least they did not join into the atrocities of WW I and WW II? *bitter laugh* Well, they certainly did not Pay The Price ..
No die nog pay an price, at all. Sarkasmus if you are too ignorant, ok we know you are ignorant becouse of your Statement. You afe stupid, ignorant at best if you realy believe the shit you wrote.
@@Metternich_Enjoyer He is talking about the Austrians of the past welcoming the Nazis in a big parade, having prepared everything for the arrival beforehand and then being among the most zealous of the Nazis. Afterwards Austria shifted the blame to Germany and hid behind the 'victim myth'. They never had to pay the way Germany did, they never had to face and process the past the way Germany did and they had ex-Nazis in their conservative government for decades. The German Nazis fled or had to stand trial. Some austrian Nazis could evade persecution and take up important roles in society. For example there is a very famous case, austrian Nazi psychopath that is responsible for torture and slaughter that became the mayor of an austrian town afterwards for decades. I am Austrian but grew up in Germany so I was raised to learn everything about WW2 and take some form of responsibility for it. For that reason it angers me when Austrians like that red-haired lady say "we don't like them bc of WW2". Germany did a lot to make up for the past and we are very aware of the shame of our ancestors contrary to Austria. Always easier to shift the blame to someone else and claim you were raided and forced to do it, I guess.
@@Yatagarasu-b9w Obwohl du recht hast was den Anschluss angeht, konnte die Österreichische Regierung an sich (obwohl sie 1932 faschistisch wurde) keine Kriegsverbrechen begangen da sie nie in einem Krieg involviert war. Die Verbrechen die Österreicher im Zweiten Weltkrieg begangen haben sind unter deutscher Verwaltung geschehen, abgesehen davon haben alle Nationalsozialisten aus Österreich sich als Deutsche identifiziert, nicht als Österreicher. Was geflüchtete Nazis angeht, nein. Eine bekannter Fall ist Albert Speer, Rüstungsminister der Dritten Reiches der maßgeblich am Holocaust beteiligt war hat in den Nürnberger Prozessen nicht mal annähernd die Strafe bekommen die er verdient hat, ganz im Gegenteil er hatte den Ruf eines „Gentleman Nazis“ uns ist friedlich gestorben. Selbiges gilt für Karl Dönitz, ein Admiral der für das Ertrinken lassen von Allierten Schiffsbesatzungen verantwortlich war, anstatt sie nach Versenkung feindlicher Schiffe aufzunehmen.
Great video. Are you now living in Germany and what are you doing for work there atm? Your German has seriously improved well done! I think you should have asked that pretty girl out fur einer kaffee :)
yeah I am living in Germany now, I had a job trial so at the moment just working on this series hope you are doing good! :)
You absolute legend. What kinda work trial and which city you in? :) Im good thanks, still learning German and great to see your videos again.....they are missed :)
@@gregprouse1173 yeah so it was a video editor. Amazing company and people. Currently just chilling in Hannover. But yeah more to come about the people ;)
@@yourtruebrit Great industry mate. Let me know if you get the full time position :) Hannover is super nice. My uncle used to live there for years working for the hospital. Keep those videos coming :) want to see that channel explode :)
@@gregprouse1173 Yeah Hannover is such a nice place has great people! :)
Biggest difference in this video: Germans have only nice things to say about Austria and Austrians, while Austrians describe Germans as arrogant and stingy, less open, less fun, more serious with annoying accent and overall worse... while considering themselves friendly and open minded.
So true😂
Yes because the propaganda here pushes a love-hate relationship (more hate than love, petty jealousy etc), because since 1945 they'rep ushing lies that we are a "seperate ethnicity" (sometimes outright claiming we're a "mixed ethnicity", just because some peasants fucked Hungarians and Croats in the border regions, that doesn't make it true for everyone) to distance Austria from Germany and even pretend we were Hitler's first victim, which is ridiculous.
as an Austrian, I can absolutely confirm this! Germans do like us, but we don't like them haha
@@karlelias but you still think you are more friendly and open minded? how does that go together?
@@karlelias Lauter HuKinder hier eben. Sch*ul und peinlich, bei Fußball WM lieber für die Inselaffen schreien als für die Nachbarn (selber reißen wir ja nichts)...
Der Deutsche:"Die Lage ist ernst, aber nicht hoffnungslos." Der Österreicher: " Die Lage ist hoffnungslos, aber bei weitem nicht ernst. " 😂🇩🇪🇦🇹
Das ist super! Muss ich mir merken!
Herkunft dieses Spruchs kennen nur Leute die sich mit 1. WK beschäftigt haben
@@chipser9574 then there is almost no person who can relate to it.
Die Österreicher loben sich vor allem immer sehr gerne selber, dass sie angeblich so viel humorvoller und freundlicher seien. Ich habe einige Zeit dort verbracht und kann das nicht bestätigen. Sie sind vielleicht einen Ticken entspannter, aber bei weitem nicht so sehr, wie das gerne behaupten, meiner Meinung nach.
"Nicht hoffnungslos" spiegelt dann wohl den Optimierungsdrang und das Selbstwirksamkeitsbewusstsein der Deutschen. 😁
Das "nicht ernst" eben den Unernst der Ausis. 😄
I'm a Bavarian living in Greece.
From my experience the cultural differences are not so much between Austria and Germany as between the traditionally catholic and protestant regions.
Whenever I meet Austrians it's very easy for me to connect, because we're culturally so similar. I feel culturally closer to Austrians than to people from Hannover or Berlin or Dresden. I also can connect easier with people from Köln than with people from Bremen.
@ali kamel" he who wants to understand what's right must first have doubted properly"
Aristotle
@@helgaioannidis9365
Nice saying, the Aristotle! ☺️
Also I agree with the north-south / protestant-catholic hypothesis.
Esp. Bavaria & Austria have much in common.
What if they are Jews, Buddhists, atheists, or agnostics?
@@thinkandthank7406 with atheists usually it's easier to connect from my experience. As a German with Jews it always feels awkward I have to admit. German guilt makes me be afraid of being in some way offensive and I've been treated very poorly by Jews as soon as they found out I was German, which didn't help make me feel less guilty.
With Buddhists I don't really have much experience, haven't met many, so I couldn't tell.
I am half greek - lefkas island - and half austrian - vienna. My Austrian dad always said that the Bavarians are more similar to the Austrians- and I believe it too. Greeks believe that Germans are cold and can be rude and they believe that Austrians are the same, until they get to interact with then. I work as a tour guide in summer in kefalonia and I have to admit, it's mostly easier to work with Austrians and Bavarians than with Germans. I just think that they are more.. "heiter"...
A British family adopts a baby from Germany. They name the boy Gus, short for Gustav. He’s a studious infant, rarely crying and rarely causing much a fuss. The baby grows into a serious but healthy little boy, the only hiccup is that he doesn’t talk. The parents don’t care, they love Gus and he’s a great kid overall.
Then, one day, when Gus is seven, the family is at a restaurant and out of nowhere, for the first time EVER, Gus lifts his head and tells the waiter his soup is cold. His parents are blown away, Gus can speak!! They wipe the tears from their eyes and ask if he can speak, why hasn’t he spoken til now? Gus ponders for a moment and replies:
“Up until now, everything has been satisfactory”.
@ali kamel nice ali you have ruined the joke.
It was funny, in my country germans are remembered as serious people by those who have lived with them, the same can be said about the dutch and belgians
Also Germans don't complain until its absolutely necessary.
😆🤣😂
Really good joke!! 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Germans and Austrians will focus the small differences between them and blow them out of proportion, people from neither countries visiting them will notice the massive similarities rather than the minor differences
Much like Japan and Korea then
@@mark9294 No. Korea is a different culture compared to Japan. Austria has been (a equal and often leading) part of Germany for 1000 years. Culturally speaking, Bavarians and Austrians are twins.
@@mark9294 Korea and Japan are completely different people, cultures, genetics. Germans and Austrlians are literally the same except for external political separation.
As an Austrian having lived in the U.K. Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal and France (overseas department) I would say that Austrians think that they are at the center of the world, a very important country. If you lived like me in any of the before mentioned countries you actually never hear about Austria.
Stimmt. Außerhalb von Österreich denken alle, Österreicher wären nur Deutsche, die in den Alpen leben 😂
@@afjo972 Da ist ein enormer Zuzug von Deutschen im Zillertal, wahrscheinlich nicht nur dort.
@@afjo972 Ist jecht so. Österreich ist für Deutsche oder große europäische Länder genauso irrelevant wie jedes der 16 Bundesländer einzeln betrachtet. Aber lassen wir die Mehrheit der Österreicher mal in dem Glauben, dass sie etwas gaaaanz Besonderes sind und total viel zu sagen haben. 🤣🤣🤣
And there's no kangaroos in Austria!
You don't hear about Austria in the Netherlands? It is our second favourite holiday destination, and it is on a plot to overtake the French no1 position, as the French are really screwing up their country the last decade. As the lady said: Austria is a little bit Dutch....
The difference between Germany and Austria is that German chancellors stay in office for 16 years (sometimes) while Austria seems to get a new chancellor every few weeks.
So true
LMAO
The close proximity to Italy might help this quick exchange of important politicians.
“Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.” Mark Twain
AHAHAHAHAHA
I've always admired people like you who are so comfortable with talking to strangers on the street. It requires a lot of confidence! Well done! Fun interview! 😊
Thank you so much, Yeah I love it meet great people but my god it's hard sometimes :)
@@yourtruebrit You did a really good job being so open and spreading good vibes, now (especially) we all need some more smiling faces and kindness
I'm Austrian and I like Germany a lot. Frequently going to Berlin or Munich for long weekends and meeting locals. Currently living in Switzerland, which is awesome too. I never understood why people tend to repeat stupid little negative stereotypes, there are just different types of people, outgoing ones, more reserved ones, great ones and less great ones in every culture/country. What the 3 German-speaking countries all have in common: they offer an amazing quality of living! We should be proud, although we're constantly shittalking about our countries. They don't deserve that (be we know anyway).
5... There is 5 german speaking countries.. 😉
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 There are more depending on how you count.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 only in the three mentioned above is german a relevant language though. like yeah, technicaly it is an official language in i.e. Belgium as well, but you're not going to get very far and don't have many options in Belgium if you only speak German, same goes for any other country were german speakers are a minority.
@@RyfkahChan ah yes i forgot belgium.. Lichenstien too.. And italy and denmark.. But basicalpy there is 4 noticable states where they primarily speak german.. Germany, austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg..
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 Namibia.
What people say about others reveals more about their own character than the people they are trying to describe.
So true.
The most remarkable thing about the Austrians is they have managed to convince the world that Hitler was German, usually by not saying a thing.
Well he was german and austrian
@@Ghreinos He was an Austrian, was born in Braunau.
@@a.r.stellmacher8709 Austrians are german
I've heard this in even longer form:
"The Austrians managed to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian but Hitler was German."
@@xxxaragon I have never heard that before but thank you.
Austria is wedged between southern Germany and Italy and Slavic countries. And that's exactly how it's people are. Even within Austria people north of the Alps are slightly different in language and customs to the southern people who live closer to Italy and Slovenia. And there also are differences between western and eastern Austria in language, culture and mentality. There also is a Beer/Wine border within Austria.
Ich bin Österreicher und ich muss eher widersprechen, was die Offenheit betrifft: Deutsche sind im Allgemeinen viel offener als Österreicher. Ich war schon an vielen Orten in Deutschland und habe festgestellt, dass die Menschen dort uns Österreichern gegenüber meistens sehr interessiert und überhaupt nicht arrogant sind. Vor meinen Reisen dorthin hatte ich auch diese Vorurteile. Vielleicht sollten jene Menschen in diesem Video, die das Gegenteil behaupten sich selbst mal ein Bild davon machen. 🤷🏻♂️
Deutsche sind meist ganz einfach selbstbewusster als Österreicher, was fälschlicherweise als Arroganz interpretiert wird.
Aber eines muss ich schon auch noch loswerden: Österreich hat viel mehr als nur Berge zu bieten 😉
Als Österreicher, der öfter in Deutschland ist, muss ich auch etwas widersprechen - weil ich in beiden Ländern auf Offenheit gestoßen bin. Ich denke, es ist weniger eine Länder- oder Kultursache, eben weil wir uns recht ähnlich sind, sondern hat viel mehr mit der individuellen Persönlichkeit zu tun.
@@furrylover6953 natürlich! Außer in Südamerika war ich schon oft auf allen Kontinenten unterwegs - überall gibt es "Leiwande" und Idioten 🤷🏻♂️😁
Das finde ich als Deutscher ohne uns da hoch anzupreisen ebenfalls so. Ich liebe Österreich, ist ein wunderschönes Land, man konnte jedoch merken das sie die Deutschen oftmals nicht so gern haben. Denke eher das es von klein auf in ihrem mindset ist das der Deutsche dort als negativ angesehen wird. Habe viele yugoslawische Freunde in Ö welche mich auch ab und zu in D besuchen und alle sind verplüfft und meinen das die Deutschen um einiges offener und sogar humorvoller sind. Natürlich kommt es auch immer drauf an in welchem Teil man von D oder Ö lebt, aber dennoch, das sind meine Erfahrungen
Als DeutschÖsterreicherin oder ÖsterreichischeDeutsche I agree!
Die Ostösterreicher - darunter auch die Wiener - haben einen einzigartigen "Charme" und "Schmäh". Das ist keine Wertung, nur Lebenserfahrung.
I've never seen your channel before...I like it!
Working for a German company in Austria I consider myself kind of an expert regarding this particular matter.
First, it needs to be mentioned that it is not possible to draw a line and say "above this line people are like...and below people are like..." The mentality changes gradually from North to South. Yet, there are obvious, macroscopic differences.
The relation between Austrians and Germans is very much like between Scots and English. Really. Austrians have funny accents and dialects. Germans have too, but there's only one dialect that might be hard to understand for Austrians: Plattdeutsch. The rest is nothing that would ever make an Austrian scratch his head. Germans will have a much harder time to understand an Austrian once he engages the dialect-turbo.
Germans do have a hilarious sense of humour, as well as Austrians, however the Austrian humour is much darker, more sarcastic and soaked with irony. Actually very british (a fact that was confirmed by John Cleese), whereas the German humour reminds one of the American humour.
Now to differences concerning how they work philosophy-wise:
Germans love to make plans, love discussing details and try to be prepared for the case, if...
Austrians are very "hands-on": Start doing it, problems can be resolved on the fly. That's one reason why Austrians tend to be slightly annoyed if they work for German companies... they hate wasting time for imaginery problems that are unlikely to occur. I guess the golden path is somewhat in the middle, however the Germans seem to fear complications and being responsible for them. So nothing will move before fifty-eleven people had a look at it and didn't express their doubts. So in this field the point goes to Austria, I think.
Points for being open-minded rather belong to Germany. Austrias society is quite divided. The younger generations indeed are open but there is a strong conservative generation in opposition with the elderly.
One thing that was mentioned in your interviews, which is correct, is:
Austrians hate it if they get a feeling of being treated arrogantly by the Germans. Like "oh, aren't they cute, those little mountain-ewoks. Now shut up and let the big guys tell how it is done" That really happens from time to time. Just like the Scots, Austrians are quite proud people. As long as you show some respect, Austrians are very warm-hearted people.
If you want to know anything specific let me know.
Not sure I would go as far as describing the relationship to those between English and Scots.
Historically it's quite different... Scots having been forced into a union with the English and giving up their original language (Gaelic).
In the case of Germans and Austrians it's rather that they've been considered as one internally diverse people for the majority of their respective history and only recently being denied a poltical unity.
@@Siegbert85 I'm talking about mentalities and the felt relation to each other, my friend, not history. Of course they are not comparable historically. Each country has its own history. Take a snapshot of the people today analyse their feelings for each other, their mentality, the quirks and feelings. This is what I actually referred to.
agree but would consider bavaria germanys scotland and austria even more distinct like as the irish to the english.
edit: atleast culturally they are more comparable in difference.
if you say swabians are welsh, rhenish are scousers for example and northerners are like english
@@BabisseDAllemagne good observation! Agreed.
The reason why Austrians as much as the majority of Germans can't understand Plattdeutsch is because it is its own language...
Massive thank you to everyone! who joined in this episode!, If I look I was struggling, I was still recovering from long COVID. This is very much British Humour us brits we love to have a laugh about ourselves. Small teaser on the next episode at the end.
Apples and oranges.
The comparison between Germans and Austrians is basically not possible at all, because there are not "the Germans", the same applies to "the Austrians".
Someone from Schleswig-Holstein is a completely different breed of people than someone from Baden-Württemberg.
Or someone from Vienna and from Styria.
Swabians, for example, have more in common with German-Swiss, North German Frisians with Dutch Frisians, than with Austrians or Saxons.
@sexy boy 69 no, of course not! “Breed” is used here rather colloquially by me. Wasn’t that obvious?
@sexy boy 69 wrong use of words. Happens using not the native language
@@THomas_HH Nah its very normal to use this word in English as such, they are just being weird
I would even say that somebody from Vienna could be very different to somebody from Vienna😊
@@LiL0SnipeZ They are being German. Germans don't use words like breed and race the way London-speakers do.
Der Unterschied zwischen D & Ö sind rein regional-kulturelle Abweichungen in Dialekt und Mentalität die genauso zwischen Wien und Tirol oder Berlin und Köln bestehen.
I am German and consider these differences partly (!) to be purely constructed. I would say that Austrians and Germans complement each other, as well as the parents of Mozart, whose father was German and mother Austrian. My opinion.
His mother was not Austrian. She was from Salzburg, a free city of the german empire. Salzburg was not part of Austria. But Austria to this time was also part of the german empire (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation).
It's like Russia's love for Ukraine.
@@Wunderbutzi That empire was supposedly 'Holy Roman'; not 'German'.
@@Wunderbutzi Ach herrje! 😒
@@Wunderbutzi There was no German empire or nation within the scrum imperium romanum or the Bund, these were just alliances similar to the European Union, but much less integrated than the latter.
I really like Austrians- wasn‘t aware that the feelings aren‘t mutual 😂! Still, greetings from Germany to Austria and the rest of the world.
Lol. As an Austrian, I can confirm.....we do not like Germans....at all.
They just the fun out of everything, and are know-it-all's
Der gelernte Österreicher, speziell Wiener, ist gerne grantig, das ist eine Lebenseinstellung. Als Ausgleich hat ihm der Herrgott eine große Dosis schwarzen Humor mitgegeben, damit er sich selbst und die Welt ihn besser erträgt 😁 Liebe Grüße aus Wien 😉
Ja Servus - des kann man jetzt aber auch über den Oberbayern, Schwaben oder sogar Erzgebirgler sagen…
Erst im Westen ab dem schönen Baden wird nicht mehr so viel gegrantelt und im Norden und Ostern wird sich halt richtig beschwert aber nur wenn es Not tut…
Ich als Norddeutscher bin super gern in Wien. Für mich das weltoffenste Volk von allen Österreichern und die Leute wirken von außen hart aber haben einen goldenen Kern- Einmal hat sich einer bei mir entschuldigt, dass er unter einem Platz im Restaurant ein Fahrradteil liegen gelassen hat, welches ich nichtmal bemerkt habe :-D Aber sonst wirkte er auch super freundlich und auch mit dem Mitarbeiter von der Shell-Tanke kannste ohne Probleme ein Schwätzchen halten. Da fand ich viele Leute in Linz unfreundlicher
I spent time in both West germany and Austria when I was in the army. I learned German that is considered Berliner German. When I was stationed in northern Germany I had no problems communicating. However, southern Germany and Austria was another story. The dialect was different and they had different words for the same thing. It was a lot of fun, because they would always politely correct me and help me learn. When I was stationed in Hungary, the second language was German, Austrian German. I felt right at home. Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Hollander, I love them all!
From what i encountered when meeting Austrians is that some have some sort of inferiority complex. Many feel the need to tell you how awesome Austria is compared to Germany and the Germans are normally not really impressed (i mean we shit talk our country all the time) and this makes them mad. But once they realize that you don't think less of them or Austria they become one of the friendliest people you can imagine. It just takes some time for them to let their defence down a bit.
I know what you mean, but many people don't mean it serious. We also shit talk Austria and most people don't really think we are superior
Wia sam halt a bissl sauer, dass die Deutschen unser schnitzel so durch den dreck zerren Ketchup in der schnitzelsemmel is okay, aber sonst ghört ketchup weg vom schnitzel. Und wir rasten halt aus wenn jemand n Schweineschnitzel "Wiener Schnitzel" nennt. Ein Wiener Schnitzel ist kalb mit nem Hammer flach geklopft und in Butterschmalz gebacken.
Either you don't know Austrians or you don't know what an inferiority complex is. We don't feel inferior to germans, we're simply fed up and annoying with being called Germans.
Yea, no shit we're distancing ourselves from you. Because everytime Austria comes up anywhere we'll just be considered a "rogue german province". Our culture will be called german, our achievements will be called german, we will be called german.
Just the other day i was recommended a meme video about Austria vs Australia, you know, because of the similar names. Not even half way through the video, in a culinary comparison, he mentions Schnitzel and goes on about Germany.
It's just incredibly annoying to constantly have everything you are to just be attributed to a different ethnicity. Living in the region of Austria that gets the most german tourists as well as working in tourism I know the cultural differences well. Austrians disliking Germans won't ever be gone because of those, but maybe if you and everybody else stopped calling us german at every opportunity it would go down a bit.
Some of my Austrian friends told me the difference is Austrians don’t like Germans but Germans like Austrians/ don’t even ever think about Austria. And that could be since that was very new to me😄
So true !!! I love Austria but I hardly remember that it exists 😂
So just like the US relationship with nearly every other country.
Ich denke der größte und vielleicht auch einzige Unterschied ist, dass Deutsche die Österreiche als Deutsche sehen und die Österreicher sich selbst nicht als Deutsche sehen (zumindest die Meisten). Alles andere ist vermutlich mehr auf andere Faktoren zurückzuführen, also wo man in Deutschland ist und ob man auf dem Land oder der Stadt ist, in welchem sozialen Milieu und in welchem Freundeskreis man verkehrt. Die Unterschiede zwischen Oberbayern und dem Emsland sind gewiss größer als die Unterschiede zwischen München und Wien. Selbes gilt für die Schweizer im Hinblick auf Basel und Freiburg. Das politische Selbstverständnis mag auch anders sein, aber das ist bloß der Situation geschuldet.
Besser hätte ich es selbst nicht schreiben können.
Also ich als Österreicher finde nichts schlimmer, als wenn mir jemand sagt "eigentlich bist du ja auch deutsch"
Ganz schlimm z. B. auch im Urlaub. wenn du sagst du bist aus "Austria" gibt es für die meisten nur 2 Antworten.
A) Australien🦘 oder
B) aaaah! Germany!
naja Österreicher sind nun mal Deutsche, hab eher das Gefühl die versuchen sich so weit wie möglich von Deutschland zu entfernen wegen der ganzen Nazi geschichte, tun auch gerne so als wären sie zu irgendwas gezwungen worden...
@@svenjelen2263 Naja Österreicher ist halt keine Ethnie. Ja, du hast nicht die deutsche Nationalität, aber egal ob es dir gefällt oder nicht: Du bist Deutscher. (Außer natürlich du bist ein Österreicher mit Migrationshintergrund.)
Nimm es doch einfach so auf, dass die Leute die Ethnie meinen und nicht die Nationalität.
Warum sollten ich die Österreicher als Deutsche betrachten… 🤦🏼♀️
Die Unterschiede sind die gleichen, wie die, zwischen den Bundesländern in Deutschland. Also es gibt nur leichte Unterschiede. Ich finde es gut, daß du in diesem Video probiert nur deutsch zu sprechen. learning by doing is the best way. Viel Erfolg dir noch. Grüße aus 39104
Össtereich ist einfach eine Abspaltung von Bayern dass ist faktisch so und dazu kommt dass nach dem ww2 die Amis und Engländer nicht wollten dass sie sich zusammen schließen also deusche und össtereicher sind das gleiche volk
True!
Dass schreibt man seit inzwischen 25 Jahren nicht mehr mit ß, das sollte man doch inzwischen wissen.
@@wanna1775 keine Hobbys wah?!
@@BanonenTurm Hat mich 20 Sekunden Zeit gekostet…
What a lovely video, nice topic.
I absolutely enjoyed it. Videos like this are a nice way to improve the skills. The difference is that Germany is much more of an issue in Austria than the other way around.
In Austria you often lean back a bit and see what is happening in Germany and then decide what to do yourself depending on how things are going and there is a kind of inferiority complex that finally needs to be overcome.
In Austria, at the beginning you often make yourself look smaller than you actually are, but when things go well, you quickly become the best of all.
I think there is truth in that and it makes me a bit sad to be honest. I am Austrian but grew up in Germany and the hatred that is simmering inside of some Austrians vs Germans alienates me.
I worked together with Austrians, i know some germans living in Austria and i try to follow austrian feuilleton.
Southern germans have more in common with Austrians than with northern Germans, it is pretty funny in my eyes. And when it comes to arrogance you have to nominate the citizens of Vienna. Their arrogance is directed against everyone who is not from Vienna, the famous granteln and their mocking in Wiener Schmäh is peak arrogace. Actually i like it and find it charming, but that is everything else but for sure not openess.
One observation i made over the years is that our surrounding smaller neighbors have far more interest in our affairs than we have in theirs and it seems that sometimes that drives them mad. Beeing ignored is the worst thing right ?
Maybe it is typical for relationships between nations with different population sizes. The bigger ones tend to orbit more around themselves.
Austria is (like the other smaller neighboring nations) barely a topic in germany, maybe when the austrians have some scandals or important elections ongoing and i think most germans think about austria only when they pick a destination for their vacation.
It’s quite interesting what you said about the “bigger/smaller country relationship”.
(Especially when these two countries share a common language).
I’m French and we have the exact same problem with Belgians and french-speaking Swiss.
French people usually only have nice things to say about Belgians such as: “they’re nice”, “their humor is great”, “their beer is great” etc…
But in return Belgians say the worst stuff about us and call us arrogant prick all the time.
I’ve notices the same king of relationship between the US and english-speaking Canada. (french-speaking Canadians don’t seem to care tho).
Yeah, I always had the impression that people from Vienna are a bit arrogant. This is only based on my experience with them outside of Austria (some people i know at my university are from Vienna and then there are austrian Comedians). I will visit Vienna for the first time this year and I sure my stereotype will be disproven.
Uhh we have a scandalous political affair like every other holiday, we're austria after all.
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 how was your trip to vienna?
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 I grew up in Upper Austria, about 2 h drive west of Vienna. Whenever we went to Greece for vacation, my parents always tried to pick spots at the beach as far away from Viennese families as possible since they found their chattering annoying. I guess Viennese talk too much and what they say either sounds bossy or annoyed. The melody in their spoken language, especially when they speak Viennese standard German (not dialect) can be weird and tiring to other German speakers. Funnily, we never avoided (North) Germans. They are calm and peaceful, just the right company for lazing around at the beach. 😉 We even made friends with Germans and visited each other in Austria and Germany. Happy times!
Now I live in Vienna and love the city more than any other I've been to. There is a difference between a city as a whole and the people that inhabitate it. A city is the built result of centuries of development, the current population is only a glimpse.
5:27 👏 We Austrians also love Germans! We are almost similar! I like the landscape in northern Germany! Austria is more mountainous! That's why I like that area! However, nice vid! ❤🇦🇹
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As a Bavarian I feel much closer to the Austrians than to the "Porussians" especially because of the same dialect (Bavarian-Austrian or Austrian-Bavarian language). If I talk to an Austrian I do not have to speek High German. I feel often very amused when I see subtitles in the German TV when someone talks in the Austrian dialect - I understand every word. I once saw subtitles even when a Bavarian spoke in our dialect in the German TV and found it very strange, too. The capital (Kreishauptstad) of our county even voted an Austrian with dual citicenship as their new mayor - for them it was like voting a Bavarian they didn't make a difference and they are very pleased with him and in 2020 he was elected again ... Servus, Philipp
I heard someone say "Bayern ist Österreichs 10. Bundesland", ich weiß nie ob ich auf englisch oder deutsch schreiben soll, auf jeden Fall, the feeling is mutual
@@cyreneB Das geht mir ähnlich, ich schreibe mal so, mal so :-) Aber wenn ich sehe, daß alle Antworten auf englisch sind, fühle ich mich auch blöd, dann auf deutsch zu schreiben. Hüten Sie sich aber, diesen Satz "10. Bundesland" in Österreich zu sagen. Meine Verwandten lebten lange in Österreich und besuchen auch heute noch ihre Freunde dort. Nachdem sie einmal mit weiteren deutschen Freunden dort waren, sagte eine (österreichische) Freundin scherzhaft: "Ich gehe jetzt nach Hause, hier sind mir zu viele Deutsche". Ich glaube, dieser Satz "10. Bundesland" stammt noch aus der Zeit vor der Wiedervereinigung, denn jetzt haben wir ja 16 Länder. :-)
@@philippbock3399 ich meinte dass Bayern das 10. Bundesland von Österreich ist, wir haben nur 9 :-) btw, ich bin Österreicherin
@@cyreneB Oh, Entschuldigung, ich hatte Ihre Antwort jetzt irgendwie mißverstanden. Dabei hätte es mir eigentlich klar sein müssen ... (weil sie ja sagten "Bayern ist Österreichs 10. Bundesland") - aber heute bin ich durch den Wetterwechsel sowieso schon leicht "außer Gefecht". Was mir an der Österreichischen Sprache gefällt ist aber auch die Tatsache, daß typische "Altbayerische" Worte erhalten geblieben sind "Topfen - für Quark", "niedergefallen" für hingefallen, "niedersetzen" für hinsetzen, "Stiegenhaus" für Treppenhaus (und auch "Stiege" für Treppe oder "Stiegengeländer" für Treppengeländer - in Bayern: Stiagnglanda). Leider ist in Bayern durch die immer weiter fortschreitende hochdeutsche Sprache dieser Wortschatz zurückgegangen (meine Oma hat sie noch verwendet). Wir in Bayern müssen leider sehr an die Preußen angepaßt reden, auch das unsägliche "Tschüß" ist weit verbreitet, ich sage demonstativ "Servus" - ach, da gibt es viele Beispiele. Kurios bei meinen Verwandten: Mein Onkel (Hesse), der sehr nach der Schrift spricht, liebt Österreich so sehr, daß ich einmal scherzhaft sagte: "So wie Du liebt kaum ein Österreicher Österreich, sie haben unzählige Bücher über Österreich, sodaß man fast meinen könnte, sie wären Exil-Österreicher in Deutschland ...) Eine weitere nette Geschichte: Vor einigen Jahren feierte der Bayerische Rundfunk sein Jubiläum. Dabei wurden Passanaten auf der Straße befragt, unter anderem ein Österreichisches Ehepaar. Sie sagten: "Das bayerische Fernsehen wird auch in Österreich gerne gesehen". Das stimmt auch, denn beim Worteraten "Host mi" der Sendung "Wir in Bayern" rufen oft Österreicher an, entweder nennen sie zu erratende Wörter oder sie rufen an, weil sie eines wissen. Dann gewinnt man "Wir in Bayern-Tassen" (oder Bierkrüge zur "Wiesn-Zeit")
Ganz liebe Grüße aus Niederbayern - Philipp Bock
@@philippbock3399 ka Problem. Ich bin Steirerin und ich find das steirisch und bayrisch viel ähnlicher klingt als zB der dialekt in NÖ oder so. Ist aber nur mei Eindruck. Servus und Baba aus der Steiermark
Danke Dir für Deine tollen Videos! Its a pleasure to have you here!! 😁👍
overall i think australia really is a beautiful and unique country!! very mild winters hot summers and exclusive animals like the kangaroo what makes it really hard to compare with germany
@HaregwoinMetekia „Austria“? Never heard of it…
😂👍🏻
@HaregwoinMetekia bro....
@HaregwoinMetekia do you have a "sense of humour" button on your body? Switch it on mate
@HaregwoinMetekia I feel sorry about you mate, you've lost so much in life... Try to get some remedy to develop your sense of humor 😊
As a Swede living in Vienna some five years now and having visited several places in Germany, my personal opinion is that there are differences. It is hard to pinpoint exactly which differences there are, but do this small test (if you dare): call an Austrian for German and the other way around. You will get very strange looks and likely a lecture.
Personally I think this has it roots in religion. Do not forget and underestimate that Austria AND southern Germany are catholic and northen Germany is protestant. "The border" is not what you see on the map, it is vaguely drawn somewhere over southern Germany. An educated Austrian could for example tell you that when living your life "you need to pay attention to Gods laws, societys laws and your personal laws". This would make no sense to a northen German but any Austrian would easily understand it.
Christoph Waltz (the actor) described the differences with "first, Austrians tend to be very polite, and second they don´t mean it, while the Germans are never polite and they mean it". :D
I am at the point where I don't assume that anyone belongs to any one particular group. I ask the person where they're originally from. Sri Lankans and Pakistani people hate to be confused with Indians and Egyptians hate to be confused with Arabs; and so on...
@@Scorch1028 -
Bangladeshis and Nepalis also hate being mistaken as/confused for Indian
"The closer to Rome, the further from God."
What I noticed is an interesting way of collectivizing: for Northern Germans anything Southern looks very similar, so Bavarian culture appears almost indistinguishable from Austrian one which in turn doesn't allow to have a perfect diochotomy, so Austrians are perceived as being somewhat German but still a bit different from what they're used to.
For Austrians on the other hand, they seem to think all Germans are culturally similar so it's very easy to pick apart every minute little difference.
Yes, that's true. Bavaria, even though some similarities exist in the south of it, is still seen as very different to Austria.
Bavaria:
The differentiation has to do with it being a formal enemy (napoleonic wars) and also with the shared Austro-Bavarian dialect, which, in case of Bavaria, is considered to be more German- and Franconian-influenced in terms of grammar and vocabulary, but also has a distinct Bavarian pronouciation, that can only be explained through the many centuries of Bavaria and Austria being their own political entities and also being seperated geographically through the Alps and to a lesser degree through rivers like Inn and Traun.
The most Bavarian area in Austria is the Innviertel (aproximatly located between the two rivers mentioned), which has the typical Bavarian sounding, but strongly mixed with Austrianess and in some areas the Bavarian features even got completly replaced by Austrian ones since its incorperation into Austria.
Culturally Bavarians are way more into celebrations and beer (e.g. October fest), while Austrians don't even really celebrate their own national holday.
Germany:
In general Germany as a whole is considered to be the country made from the mess of all the small states of the HRE (It's neither one thing, nor the other. So no culture sticks out). This mess then was united through Prussian seriousness and militarism (war with France), which brings me to the next point: We think that Germany permanently was either in war with France, united with France or an ally of France. So we Austrians generally connect Germany with France and also both France and Germany are connected with arrogance and strong militarism, which leads to our perception of both being similar. i.e. arrogant. France has one benefit though: It's internationally considered the country of love, which also shaped the Austrian minds in that direction.
@@Leo-uu8du Interesting. The point about Germany and France being similar is news to me.
In fact from my experience Austrians use more French words compared to Germans and the whole Viennese Baroque style reminds me very much of Versailles.
@@Siegbert85 That's true for Vienna. Overall I would argue that Italian and Slavic, but also Hebrew loanwords are actually more common throughout Austria if you don't consider the Viennese dialect and even within Vienna French words aren't used more often than in Germany. E.g. No one uses words like Portemonnaie, Tschüss or Aubergine (these specific examples are even considered "typical German terms" in Austria).
I guess the French influence is at least as strong in Germany as in Austria for four reasons:
1) Germany has a direct border with France and therefore most likely lots of cultural and lingual exchange happened.
2) French was used by the elite (also in Austria and in the rest of Europe)
3) Napoleon was allied with many German states like Bavaria, which led to even more loanwords (newer and also non-aristocratic vocabulary was adapted. E.g. Bavarians use "Merci" and many French curse words).
4) Germany was occupied by France on a much larger scale and for a longer time than Austria after the world war.
@@Leo-uu8du die gesprochene sprache in österreich ist linguistisch gesehen ein bayrischer unterdialekt klar gibt es unterschiede allgemein kann man hier aber nicht von zwei verschiedenen gruppen der deutschen sprache sprechen
@@Leo-uu8du Germany is much larger than Austrian and has various region. Some french loan words might be common in one region, other loan word in another region. There was also French migration to central and north-eastern Germany. Some loan words are hard to recognice meanwhile, like „Kinkerlitzchen“ (small things) from quincailleries, „Muckefuck“ (coffee substitute) from mocca faux, "etepetete" (fussy) from Être peut-être or "aus dem Lameng" (without preparation) from la main (hand).
Even the preception can very from region to region. Things Austrians or Swiss decribe as German arrogance can be preceived as typical West German within Germany. From the other (German) perspective you get the impression tha Austrian overemphasise their minor differences to Germany which comes accross as somewhat like an inferiority complex, as if they feel not to be recognized enough.
I guess in general, from my experience, I'd see us as pretty similar (Austrians I know and myself being from Westphalia). The main difference I've found was the being more laid back thing over there. Where the Austrians I know were taking their sweet time with what they're working on, us Germans were trying to get the job done asap and then be done with work. So making work more enjoyable vs trying to get more time without work to then enjoy. Just a different approach to achieve the same thing, in a way.
That said, at 10 times the population, you're probably gonna have more variation within Germany itself than between the countries.
a lot of austrian's get paid per time not per work, so sometimes people would work "slow" on purpose bc sometimes when they would give 100 %, the boss would regard that as normal push for more while not paying more, so a lot of people try to get the speed out of it in order not to get taken advantage off, just an observation
You just perfectly demonstrated the reason, why no one in the world likes the Germans, not even their neighbours. Utter arrogance...
As a german i can say that, having just found out about our history, we germans like Austrians very much and always keep our fingers crossed for them at the world cup when germany is out. That's not the case with the swiss.
Als Österreicher mach ich dasselbe wenn wir raus sind aber ihr nicht🤝🤝
@@rdr2v1nce7 Doch, dass machen zumindest wir Nordeutschen.
„gerade erst von unserer Geschichte erfahren“? Wie ist denn das gemeint? 🤔
I love this video, it's very inspirational for me as a German learner. It's obvious you were a beginner in this vid, but I mean that as a compliment, because you made complete sense and were able to confidently communicate. Incredible, I want to be as confident as you.
I thought the same. His grammar is imperfect, for example not knowing that Frage is feminine, but conversationally he can still speak well which is more important.
The thing is that we are so similar, that we often focus and exaggerate our differences. South germany has more in common with austria and Switzerland, north germans are closer to Denmark or the Netherlands. In the big picture we are very similar.
Germans: Austria has beautiful landscapes, the people are friendly and open. Always had a pleasant time there. Interesting dialect.
Austrians: The germans are cold and strict. We don't like the germans because of history (because we like to pretend Hitler wasn't austrian and the majority wanted the Anschluss). Austria is more beautiful and better in general, high german sounds annoying. Also, germans are stingy, snobby and yeah, we are friendlier.
Really makes you wonder...
Nope. Is the same for the rest of Europe.
Yes it really makes you wonder how anyone would think it makes sense to base your assessment of a whole ethnic group on the statements of 5 to 10 people 👍
Austrians are simply honest. 😅
You nailed it. No wonder Dr. Freud found such fertile ground in Vienna. ;-)
@@mmmppp555 honesty or complexes?
As a German I lived in Austria for ten years and got around there pretty much on business travels. First thing I would say: There are no „Austrians“. Vienna people differ from Carnutians or Tyrolians quite a lot. Also there is a sharp difference between town people and country folks. That holds for Germany, too - and I guess for the rest of the world. So, how can you compare them by states? Look at history and how the borders came to pass as they are now. Culture doesn‘t care about borders.
The main difference is not between Germany and Austria but rather between Catholicism and Protestantism. The border is somewhere around the Danube before it turns south.
Why are catholic Austrians and Germans more racist and closed off or worse hostile to foreigners or to people from different ethnicities and cultures ? I know this is a generalisation, but it’s what I’ve broadly observed
@@sunflower9680 Because Catholics are taught their religion is the right one and above all others.
@@sunflower9680 That's relative. Stereotypes. You find openness and hostility on all sides. (I am a grown-up catholic Bavarian in a multi-cultural "diaspora" in Europe.)
My Duolingo lessons are paying off. I understood most of this without looking at the subtitles. 😃
Me, too! 😀 congrats!
my parents are from nicaragua and my dad's of spanish and austro-bavarian descent. proud of my german & austrian heritage 🇳🇮🇩🇪🇦🇹
Why do not you put your maternal surname on your profile?
@@scepticsquirrel who cares
@@VTS1911 I did not ask you.
Matagalpa?
@@marioarguello6989 jinotega
7:10 Hit me so Hard my stomach is bleeding from laughing
HAHAHAHAHAH
AS a Taiwanese, I had traveled to Germany for quite many times, but only one time to Austria. That's because most of ppl I met, no matter in restaurant, Cafe, train, hotel...ppl made me feel they had no patient, and they're in bad mood. I seldom to get a smile. And the signs for hiking . Be honest is quite poor, I almost got lost. So even I'm so admire the culture, music there. But so far still not think to visit again.
I am just curious, are people of Republic of China in high mood generally?
My personal experience is that the difference between Germans and Austrians is as much or as little as between people from different parts of Germany. Compares a Bavarian to a Frisian or a Rhinelander: quite a big difference. Compare a Bavarian or even a Swabian to an Austrian: not so much difference. Compare Germans and Austrians to Swiss: big difference IMO. Southern Germany has a lot of culture and heritage in common with Austria. Maybe even more than with the more Prussian Protestant North.
Very interesting video. Very well done!
Austria is very conservative in many ways, and more private I would say. Germans I feel like tend to be less cold to other people most of the time, but if you make an Austrian friend they are very close and friendly. Austria feels more relaxed also, we do have the most payed days off in the world if I remember correctly. We also have a different kind of patriotism. Germans pretend to be quite uncomfortable with patriotism, but turn out patriotic in the end, while Austrians have a more ironic/self-aware patriotism ("We live in a banana republic, but it is our banana republic and I guess we have nice mountains.").
Tbh I hate our attitude towards patriotism. In this aspect it is true that Germans are arrogant. Vienna arrogance is much more personal than this weird patriotism of ours. "We have the best engineers, we are always on time, we love order" and so on.
well well, hello cousin
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 Moving to Germany completely demolished any stereotype I had of "perfect German efficiency". Every second train I take is at least 5 minutes delayed, if not more, and anything involving bureaucracy is slowed down by endless red tape. The only part that seems based on reality is mostly down to a sensible workplace culture. Nobody is expected to work overtime, only to not be lazy
Finde ich überhaupt nicht. Österreicher erscheinen ziemlich patriotisch; zumindest betonen sie sehr oft, wie viel besser Österreich und die Österreicher sind im Vergleich zu Deutschland/ den Deutschen. Sie erscheinen schon sehr stolz auf sich und ihr Land.
@@janajacoby3391 Aber nur gegenüber Deutschen. Das ist eine spezielle Dynamik. ^^
I'm from southern Germany, and historically/culturally speaking Austrians and Bavarians are basically the same people. They speak the same dialect and are Catholic. Historically, southern Germany and northern Germany have greater differences, than southern Germany has with Austria and Switzerland. For centuries, Vienna was the capitol of the Holy Roman Empire, covering the entire German speaking realm. Later on, after the Holy Roman Empire dissolved, Austria and Prussia were competing over uniting all Germans. Prussia was northern, and barely was able to unite the southern Germans, who were more Austrian by nature. Today, really an Austrian views German culture and people in a Prussian context, since Prussia united the land that later became "Germany". But really we are all the same people, despite what some Austrians and Germans may think.
This is why Austrians from Mozart to Hitler considered themselves German. There was no concept of a separate identity between Germans and Austrians until after WW2.
5:18 I think he said "Kälter, ne?" ("Colder, aren't they?") and not "Kay, danke" ("Okay, thanks"). And when the subtitles said "???" he said "'Kalter Norden' sagt man so" ("'Cold north' as they/people say").
Also, at 5:34 the man said "schöner drauf" ("in a better mood" or maybe "acting nicer") and not "schöner" ("more beautiful"). 😂
6:23 She said "Ja, doch" (≈ "Yes, I am") and not "Ja, toll" ("Yes, great").
8:05 "Was geht?" means "What's up?" and not "What's happening?".
Thanks for making this entertaining and interesting video!
Was die Österreicher als eigenständige Kultur deklarieren, ist bloß eine Differenz von vielen im deutschen Kulturkreis.
Dann wäre auch der Rheinländer bei den Schwaben ein Ausländer, oder der Friese in Sachsen.
Natürlich hat Österreich seine Eigenheiten wie der Bayer, oder der Hesse.
Diese Differenz zu anderen deutschen Kulturen, legt er aber aus als käme er aus Bolivien, oder Indonesien.
Möchstest wohl ein deutsches Reich wieder na klar???
@@dorarechter9006 hat er nie gesagt,
@@dorarechter9006 Es ist nunmal so, ethnisch gesehen sind Österreocher Deutsche mit eigenem Nationalstaat.
Ist egal wie sehr dich das stört.
reminds me of being a highland scot living in England. They love our scenery and we all have an 'accent.'
I'm also part Austrian which makes it even more interesting: Grandmother's decsendents from Burgenland,
Yeah, the Scots are always special when I listen to debates in the House of Commons. But the Ulster people too, but very different from the Scots. Only that the Irish English for me is a little easier to follow than the Scottish one.
From my experience in these countries, I found the Austrians to be chilled out Germans! :)
Just want to say I luvd the redhead lady in the video. Very friendly and quite openminded.
I remember when I went to Belgium as a student, there was a student from Austria and he went around his floor in the student residence knocking on doors to introduce himself to other students and the Belgian students didn't get it. As an American, it seemed normal to me though.
Gernans: We like the Austrians, we are basically the same people! 🥰
Austrians: WE HATE YOU! 😡
*Sad Germany noises 😥*
I’m French and we have the exact same problem with Belgians lol 😂
*sad baguette noises* 🥖🍷🇫🇷
@@maxrolland3148 😂
I'm Austrian and I confirm your statement 👍🏻
I've been to many places in Germany and i mostly got friendly and open minded feedback from the people there. ☺️
@@thegeop5906 Because we like you :D
@@jenson1896 Grüße aus Wien 👋🏻☺️
Als eine Migrantin, die seit mehr als 10 Jahren in Österreich lebt, muss ich sagen, dass Deutsche freundlicher sind als Österreicher. Nicht böse gemeint. Ich habe deutsche und österreichische Freunde und ich habe gut beobachten können, dass meine deutschen Freunde viel mehr Humor haben. Aber es kann sein, dass dies alles eher mit der individuellen Persönlichkeit zu tun hat. Meiner Meinung nach, haben Deutsche und Österreicher mehr Gemeinsamkeiten als Unterscheide. Eine Gemeinsamkeit wäre natürlich die Sprache und der Dialekt ist kein wirklicher Unterschied, weil es auch in Deutschland viele Dialekte gibt. Ein Unterschied wäre vielleicht die Verhaltensweisen, zB: wie man Entscheidungen trifft und Sachen angeht. Die wichtigste Gemeinsamkeit zwischen Deutschen und Österreicher ist die gemeinsame Ethnie, die nicht vergessen werden darf.
Österreicher sind Kelten.
Kommt auf den Humor an. Was Deutsche als lustig empfinden, lockt vielen Österreichern oft nicht einmal ein Lächeln heraus.
@@wernerschneider4460 Da stellt sich dann immer die Frage, wer vor beiden keinen Humor hat.
Well the difference is that one of the two produced a great painter with a funny mustache
5:24
“???”
But also nodding enthusiastically.
I went on a river cruise from Amsterdam to the Black Sea along the Rhein, the Rein-Danube Canal and the Danube.We were one week in Germny.on both sides of the river / canal/river, in Germany people were walking, cycling or running for leisure . As soon as our boat crossed the German/Austrian frontier , no onre was exercising any more . There was no exercising in Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania. Only the Germans were working hard at exercising , and keeping fit. Every other nation was a bit lazy like we British
Germans are always getting ready to march.
Big respect to you going out to the streets and interviewing when your German - and I don’t meant this unkindly - still has a long way to go.
Keep at it like this and you will make progress and soon find even better understanding - and yes, it is definitely pronounced “VEEN”
There seems to be a huge gap between our neighbours‘ external and self-perception. Greetings / Grüss Gott from Bavaria! 😎👍
Ich lerne Deutsch selbe und ich habe dieses Video sehr interessant gefunden. Ich habe dein Akzent sehr gemocht und es war sehr toll zu sehen wie die andere Leute ihre Sprache entwickeln. Sehr gut gemacht und ich warte auf dein nächstes Video!!!
8:25, that is the most English “so” I’ve ever heard
Haha, it's just typical me at the moment when you don't understand a word (and even subs are like ???)) but still nodding and agreeing while listening))
Which Germans? It is a mistake to put all the Germans together, considering we are getting that picky.. Austrians might have their differences with Hamburgers and Westphalians for sure, but they are pretty much the same as Bavarians. Same customs, same cuisine, almost identical dialect.. peoples and cultures are not artificially divided by man-made borders. Instead, they form a CONTINUUM. Like shades of different colors.
Important point.
That's very true. That's what Russia argued when it came to the Ukrainian Russian border
@@diegoflores9237you definitely don't know nothing concerning this topic, so why would even bring this up
Sorry to generalize but this is a german comment?
6:09 says that the austrians don't like the germans bc of the history, even though Hitler was austrian
Hitler wurde die österreichische staatsbürgerschaft aberkannt,erhielt die deutsche,somit wurde ER deutscher
@@dorarechter9006 er wurde in Österreich geboren und ist dort aufgewachsen. Kulturell und ethnisch war er Österreicher. Da braucht man gar nicht diskutieren. Ich finde es eher unreflektiert von dir, dass du es offenbar nicht akzeptieren willst bzw., es marginalisierst.
She meant something else
its pretty hard to say what germans and austrians think. Im bavarian/austrian and i would say south bavaria fits better to austria then vienna. The tradition of bavaria and austria is similar. So talkin about „the germans“ would include bavaria and we are completely different then the rest of germany. At a party full of germans and austrians .. bavaria would sit next to salzburg and tirol. 😃
thats a pretty cool picture
table one: vienna, steiermark etc
table 2: as you mentioned
table 3: swabians, swiss, baden, some french alsace guys
table 4:
Rhein Main up to Düsseldorf, Ruhr cities basically NRW without westphalia outer north and bielefeld outer east.
table 5:
northern hesse & southern Lower saxony (hannover) along westphalia, Lippe
table 6: southwest ex gdr , southeast ex gdr
table 7:berlin & potsdam
table 8: hamburg, bremen and the north west coast, danish northern north
table 9: northern east coast
last but not least, table 10:
luxembourg, german belgium, Saarland
most populous an influential by far is table 4
@@BabisseDAllemagne Deine table 6 und 7 sind ahistorisch, die müsste man anders aufteilen, sonst git es Krach an den Tischen: Berlin, Brandenburg, Meck-Pom (Preußen) sowie alles andere EX-DDR (Sachsen) 🤣
Austrian (except Vorarlberg) and Bavarian people speak bairisch (Bavarian).
yes only people from inside austria or germany hate. For sure a Berliner thinks Austrian tradition is weird they even think bavarian tradition and language weird. And for sure Vienna thinks german are arrogant germany is far away from them and they only know north germany so. Bavarian-Austria borders blur.
People in south germany and east austria are different.
I fully agree with you. Greetings from Tyrol
1:57 I always found it funny how the Austrians jump with their voice and this horse analogy is so fitting :D
I miss your videos, every now and then, my beautiful little Brit. 😇
The Germans have always been a very warm and caring people 😅
You will find that in NRW not in East Germany
As someone from Munich, I feel more connected to Austria than northern German
Geht mir auch so. Ich habe bereits einen ähnlichen Beitrag wie Du geschrieben :-)
Ich als Rheinländer fühle mich Bayern und Österreich viel näher als Norddeutschland.
Geht mir auch so nur umgekehrt.
I have actually heard Germans and Austrians say that they appreciate one another's differences, because it's a pleasure to take a break from their own lives, visiting and vacationing in each other's lands. It's kind of like the break that one takes when they visit an amusement park (particularly a Disney resort, connected to the parks) -- but on a larger scale, because you've got a lot more land to roam in, and more sights to see.
I am austrian but my father was born in Germany. Language wise, the biggest difference definitely is the tone and flow when speaking. The dialect is also very noticable, obviously, but taking my father as an example, he's been living in Austria for over 20 years now and when he speaks, he doesn't pronounce words like a german, in that sense he sounds austrian, but the way he structures his sentences and his "rhythm" when speaking is just different, it's german.
Also, about the animosity between austrian and german people, or maybe it's just the austrians having animosity, hahaha. Obviously, disliking people just because they are different is wrong. But I feel like it's a bit more nuanced than that, precisely because austrians and germans are so close to oneanother and similar in a lot of aspects. Still, there are differences in social norms, culture, world views, etc. generally speaking, and in some ways these differences feel fundamentally different. I know a lot of austrians, myself included, who have had encounters with germans in a social setting and just felt rubbed the wrong way by them. Not because they were mean or arrogant, but just because our personalities weren't really compatible.
That being sad, I have family and friends that are german and talking and laughing about cultural differences is something we do all the time. Jokes about how austrians view punctuality compared to germans for example.
Just like the lady with the red hair said in this video, Austria and Germany have a long, long history with each other and that history probably influences the way we view each other without noticing or thinking about it.
I was in Bregens in Austria. I assure you people were not friendly at all and all serious looking. And it was summer ! 😅
We Bavarians talk similar. You can find a lot of Austrian words in the bavarian dialect too.
In Norddeutschland fühle ich mich (als Bayer) wirklich wie im Ausland, in Österreich nie :-)
In Österreich außer in Vorarlberg werden bairische Dialekte gesprochen.
Österreich hat sich vor über tausend Jahren von Bayern abgespalten. Daher vermutlich die Nähe zueinander.
Nunca pensé que podrían haber muchas diferencias, tuvieron una historia en común aunque fue hace mucho tiempo atrás
Realmente no tiene mucho tiempo
Canadian, living in America of German descent-my take is northern Germans are uptight, sticklers for the rules, precise and curt, while southerners, Bavarians and Austrians were more laid-back, less formal, more friendly (a relative comparison among teutons). As a Canadian am often asked the same question about the differences between us and the Americans. The wildly different political culture (which Germans and Austrians do not diverge as much us) has created many differences, but essentially we are very similar with minor personal differences.
Well, I come from Bavaria (southern Germany) and I actually feel much closer to the Austrians than to the northern Germans. 🇦🇹🇩🇪
I come from Bavaria too and I kinda feel the same but sometimes I think they don't feel the same about us, they make fun of us more often, at least that's my experience.
@@sevo8541 funny how different experiences can be. i always feel that way when i'm in the north. especially as a munich resident. you always have to fight against all the bavarian stereotypes before you're ever perceived as a human being. i've never felt that way in austria.
@@sevo8541 Guess that depends where in Bavaria you are from. If you are Franconian then you probably don't feel better about Austrians compared to North Germans.
However, I am from Lower Bavaria living close to the border and I definitly feel a lot more attached to Austria than Germany.
I would go as far as to say that I would love to see Bavaria and Austria as one country instead of belonging to Germany.
@@BavarianHobbit I were talking about Bavaria in general (I live in the south of Bavaria.)
@@sevo8541 I know but I specified it since Bavaria is not just Bavarians but also Swabians and Franconians.
Oh and I too have the feeling that (some) Austrians don't like us all that much whereas to us Germans, we don't really see that much of a difference. But maybe that's precisely why.
Exactly! My Austrian friend was talking about the rivalry between the two countries and how the Austrians hate the Germans. And she was shocked to hear that we don’t hate them at all, I guess Austria is just not something we ever think about, but they get compared to Germany all the time and probably dislike that.
@numivi s
Because they Are Germans. The first Time they had a Austrian identity was in the 1950-60s.
@@karl4934 While the asutrian identity may be young, the habsburg and thus being different is older than modern german identity
as a Taiwanese, I would say that most of the east Asians are not concerned about how Germany and Austria are different.
We care more about how Austria and Australia are different 😂😂😅
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They say, austrians are more beautiful, open etc. then germans, especially the "therapist" and the most adorable person was the german blonde chick. Nice editing
Seawas :) der Unterschied zeigt sich extrem in der Sprache und beim Schmäh (Witz). Wir Österreicher mögen schwarzen Humor, Sarkasmus und Selbstironie enorm 😂 ich hab Mal in Berlin gelebt und gearbeitet und als ich 'pfiati baba' gesagt habe, dachte mein Chef ich sag Papa zu erm (ihm). Ich bin übrigens Wienerin mit einer Steirer Mama also der mix dialekt is a mess, quite literally 😂
Witz und Humor ist ein sozio-kulturelles Phänomen. Nur weil die Art von Witz oder Humor, der z.B. in Norddeutschland existiert dir fremd ist, heißt das nicht dass er nicht existiert.
Österreicher sind Deutsche, wie Hessen, Bayern, Sachsen usw. Deutsche sind.
@@henningbartels6245 Dies ist mir absolut bewusst. Es mag vielleicht Ausnahmen geben aber nach meiner Erfahrung bestätigt sich der Stereotyp des kühlen Norddeutschen, der in den Keller geht um zu Lachen😄
@@lisa-montanafritzsch403, vielleicht schmunzelt "der Norddeutsche" eher süffisant und prustet nicht schenkelklopfend wie "der Österreicher"?!
@@henningbartels6245 Ich pruste nie, ich bin eine Diva und lebe die Eleganz 🤗 Also lass ma's gut sein. So wichtig ist mir das Thema nicht 😂
Austrians are being proud to be austrian, while Germans are being ashamed of simply existing. It's not like the Germans wouldn't own their values like punctuality and being highly accurate. It's carrying the weight of guilt on our shoulders. Something about history.
Germans take little pride in their nationality, they only feel a certain relief at soccer games - one of few occasions where they are allowed to be cheerful for their identity. I was 13 years in school. My whole history lessons consisted of being shamed for starting both wws.
- a german woman, 30 years old
Hi , das sehen viele Deutsche nicht so mit den beiden Weltkriegen , denn man weiß der erste Weltkrieg wurde wegen Österreich ausgelöst und beim zweiten war A.H Österreicher , die Nachbarländer um Österreich wissen um Österreich. Den Deutschen fehlt nur Selbstbewusstsein. Als Deutscher kann man über Österreich nur lachen.
I keep telling people, it's not the germans who are to blame, it's those austrians you should look out for.
Germany thr country declared both wars but they were both started by an austrian, also ww1 was just an example of a europian war and imp should not be put in the same context as ww2
@@Marlin123 Short try to give you some sentiment on why you could just try to widen the horizon instead of trying to point out the REAL EVIL nations.
1. Different Germanic Kingdoms have fought wars with and against each other
2. Obvious but both germans and austrians fought in WW1 AND 2 and as you have observed, WW1 was very different from WW2.
The fact that Hitler was able establish himself IN GERMANY and rise to the top IN GERMANY and had to perform a coup on the current leader after years of preparation should not be left out of the picture. You may argue that austrians supported hitler and greeted him with open arms but don't forget the situation of the nation back then - a fraction of a country that was previously in monarchy rule for hundreds of years and the idea of having a similar status is something that it's people could easily be convinced to.
3. If you think that humans are any different anywhere else, just check out how czechoslovakia treated the remaining small number of ... "only" 3 million german inhabitants after WW2... Or almost any place of eastern europe that had a german speaking population for that matter. (Hint: today there are almost none left) Keep in mind - that those were functioning societies, destroyed / killed / deported that are not necessarily typically austrian OR german having their own political parties. (In czechoslovakia they had a reasonably big percentage for a minority that could not yet fully decided where to lean towards after WW1). So now with czechoslovakia having used worker camps, deportation, death march AFTER the WW2 on the remaining germans - aren't they worse? Has the curse maybe been passed on to them? Or were they just nicely trying to give the Sudeten Germans a "small" taste of their own medicin? (Small in a sense of - only a mere number of 3 million people affected) Or more importantly... have you warned the people about them already?
Your people didn't start both world wars. You started WW2 after being fed up with what had been done to you following WW1 which was in fact mostly planned and put into motion by British Intelligence and their lackeys (like the Black Hand). The Germans also tried to end WW1 on mutual terms with the "allies" so that the continent (especially the heartland) wouldn't be destroyed and laid to waste with millions more dying. The good guys lost World War 1 and were bakmed for starting it, and we're then punished and dehumanized by the most evil empire the world has ever seen, purely out of spite and jealousy. What started out as brother wars that should have never happened turned into a d*** measuring contest that the Brits didn't like losing, so they had to throw every rule out and sell their souls just to emerge victorious instead of being on mutual and equal terms with their nemesis the Germans. You're still an occupied and controlled nation with a defeated mindset, and the fact that you're never allowed to be completely proud of your identity and heritage -including the best history of any country and the most inventions and accomplishments of any nation- speaks volumes. I hope one day the land of thinkers and poets regain their sanity and pride. ❤🇩🇪
@@Marlin123 It’s not about blaming Germans or Austrians, it’s about blaming bad people regardless of their origin.
Nuremberg Germany here. You have to hand it to our neighbors, their marketing and PR is way better than ours. The world known most beloved Austrians of all times, Empress Elisabeth “Sissi”, was born in Munich, Germany and Composer Mozart was born in “Salzburger Land”, the region around the city of Salzburg, which back in the day belonged to Bavaria, also Germany.
While the German villain of villains, the small bearded motherf Adolf, was in fact born in Braunau, Austria.
Austria is historically german. Because Germans are a group of people. Germany was created after Germans considered themselves German and the Germans outside of Germany still exist. There are a differences between Germans from the north, east, south and west but we have many things in common even when we don't make up one nation.
Weirdly is that always the callback: "Hitler was from Austria!" 🤷
Well, idk, but I hear the phrase "bUt hItlEr wAs aUsTrIaN" all the time. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know it, that he was born in Austria
@@graffity_x6624 You would by surprised then
Mozart was born in the city of Salzburg, not in the countryside.
I like Austria, the culture, their cities and the austrians. I don't care if there are some austrians who think that we germans are unkind and present themselves as better people.
Redhead lady be like "I'm not Germophobic I have German friends" lol
4:34 The way that woman turned around with that suit on... 😭
Tolles Video:) Keep it up
To be honest, it's all petty stuff. Austrians are just another local variant of german population. They way to look at it is to see that there is no "germany" culturally speaking. There is Westphalia, Bavaria, Wurtemberg, Hessen, Bremen, etc. You could just place austrian regions just like that too, Styria, Tyrol, Carinthia, etc. They were all independent states speaking a form of german, thus making up the "german countries", and they all had their own dialect (and some still have). The ONLY reason we have a seperation between the german speaking "counties" (like an american would call them probably) is politics and the tragic past. Without these 2 factors, a unified country would just be a union of all the german speaking counties. Just like scottland, england, wales, etc. make up "Great Britain".
Interesting fact: Before 1933 and even then until WW2 turned ugly, the vast majority of austrian politicians and a lot of the populace felt they belong to the german empire. Naturally, as austria was a monarchy of many cultures, and the german speaking people were just one part of it. After all, the language is what shapes identity the most. Even when germany annexed austria, austria did not resist, or fight, instead they welcomed the annexation. It is only politics and the consequences of the ugly war that really pushed these 2 entities apart and to form 2 separate "countries". Historically you could argue that if there was a divide, it was much less about the local populace, and much more about catholics(austria/south) vs protestants (north-german confederation). But that line would have run through middle germany, not south of bavaria.
What are you smokeing . The UK isnt united at all . The are all compleatly different in turms of belives and culture . Its like saying all of America . Your view is totaly wrong . You dont put all german speakers in one pot and say they are the same just politics is why the arnt in one big union . Thats so closed mined
@@xythiera7255 Actually, you are the one that is closed minded.
Well for the UK idk if you could say the same as for Austria. English people are Anglo-Saxons and all the other people are Celts : Cornish, Irish, Scottish and Welsh. And for example the Irish always considered themselves as separate. I think it's way more comparable to Canada and the US (Anglo Americans) and Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (East Slavs)
Very similar to India Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. The real divide there is north south (south Indian subcontinent is Dravidian, north Indian subcontinent is Indo aryan, maybe also northeast that's Iranic). And the divide by religion makes no sense.
@@gamermapper well that was the entire point. They are all different in germany too. I feel like I am talking to people here that dont even bother to read and understand. The entire premise of my arguement was that they are different and language is what unifies them across local borders. Language is the single most important factor for tribal conglomeration and subsequently intersocial structures. The arguement was to point out that, if not for power struggles, monarchs, feudalism, etc differences outside of language and religion are superceded by them.
Komisch wie die Österreicher im video sagen dass die Deutschen arrogant sind aber die Österreicher im Video viel arroganter wirken... ich mag euch trotzdem 🥰
brauchst du nicht
Wer?
So ist es. Oftmals sind die ebenfalls arrogant aber tun so als ob es nur für Deutsche gilt
Can't understand why Ukrainian and Belarusian are considered languages and Austrian is just a dialect just as Swiss. Stark differences. Inside Germany also judging by a Slavic metric you'd have many languages and not dialects
There is no Austrian dialect. People in the Burgenland speak very different to the people in the Waldviertel, the Innviertel, Styria etc. An Austrian will immediately tell you where the other one is probably from when he hears him talking.
i love that your british accent makes you sound kinda dutch when speaking german
4:58 is the Austrian Tommy Fury 🤣
Haarbürsten gibt’s in der Drogerie oder im Einzelhandel neben der Körperpflege
visit this regions for all versions of germany
like in the in south:
Baden-Baden, Franken, Bavaria, Vienna, Tirol, swabia, basically along rhine river in the west up north into netherlands and then along elbe river in the east. travel the north west and north east coast line, so you complete almost all different german states and cultural lands.
you can also include switzerland to the rhine river tour. you will notice the massive differences yourself.
it is similar to Londoners vs scousers vs irish vs welsh vs scots, so massive differences indeed but still one country and almost one language.
Can we relate it to Catholic-Protestant division? People from Austria and German Switzerland usually say that they get along with people from Köln rather than Hannover, for example.
On the one hand, the Austrians are just as different from 'the Germans' as the individual German federal states are among themselves, on the other hand they lack the Prussian influence which is nowadays known all over the world as typical German characteristics such as punctuality, hard work and accuracy.
(I don't want to rule out that Austrians would not be able to do the same 😉 )
Of course, in the southern German-speaking countries, people like to make fun of the old Prussians, but ultimately the entire economic success of our country is based on their North German influence, and the people here in the north are just more rational in their philosophy of life.
It's funny when Austrians call the Germans a bit derogatory as 'Piefke'.
This is not a widespread name in Germany, like Meyer or Schmidt, and is therefore rather untypically German.
The only really known bearer of this name was 'Johann Gottfried Piefke', who composed the Königgrätzer-March on the occasion of the victory of the Prussians over the Austrians in Königgrätz in 1866.
So if this name is still used by the Austrians, you could think that they are still mad that their soldiers ran away back then 😉
Most Germans never even heard heard of the Prussian character, at least where I'm from (southern north Germany) and it has become increasingly frustrating to work with people my age. I feel like my parents are normal, people my age are unreliable.
Your pronunciations are hilarious! 🤣
This video has changed my view of the German language
Thanks to Christopher "Christoff" Waltz and the good people of Austria 🇦🇹
By the way , 2:32 is gorgeous!
Had to laugh at that "Austrians are more beautiful". Beauty fades, boy.
And when somebody tells me everything is better in Austria - that does not sound arrogant like at all ... such a charming self-confidence, isn't it?
Ah, but at least they did not join into the atrocities of WW I and WW II?
*bitter laugh*
Well, they certainly did not Pay The Price ..
:D, It was interesting watching it happen :D
What atrocities are you talking about?
No die nog pay an price, at all. Sarkasmus if you are too ignorant, ok we know you are ignorant becouse of your Statement. You afe stupid, ignorant at best if you realy believe the shit you wrote.
@@Metternich_Enjoyer He is talking about the Austrians of the past welcoming the Nazis in a big parade, having prepared everything for the arrival beforehand and then being among the most zealous of the Nazis. Afterwards Austria shifted the blame to Germany and hid behind the 'victim myth'.
They never had to pay the way Germany did, they never had to face and process the past the way Germany did and they had ex-Nazis in their conservative government for decades.
The German Nazis fled or had to stand trial. Some austrian Nazis could evade persecution and take up important roles in society. For example there is a very famous case, austrian Nazi psychopath that is responsible for torture and slaughter that became the mayor of an austrian town afterwards for decades.
I am Austrian but grew up in Germany so I was raised to learn everything about WW2 and take some form of responsibility for it. For that reason it angers me when Austrians like that red-haired lady say "we don't like them bc of WW2". Germany did a lot to make up for the past and we are very aware of the shame of our ancestors contrary to Austria.
Always easier to shift the blame to someone else and claim you were raided and forced to do it, I guess.
@@Yatagarasu-b9w Obwohl du recht hast was den Anschluss angeht, konnte die Österreichische Regierung an sich (obwohl sie 1932 faschistisch wurde)
keine Kriegsverbrechen begangen da sie nie in einem Krieg involviert war. Die Verbrechen die Österreicher im Zweiten Weltkrieg begangen haben sind unter deutscher Verwaltung geschehen, abgesehen davon haben alle Nationalsozialisten aus Österreich sich als Deutsche identifiziert, nicht als Österreicher.
Was geflüchtete Nazis angeht, nein. Eine bekannter Fall ist Albert Speer, Rüstungsminister der Dritten Reiches der maßgeblich am Holocaust beteiligt war hat in den Nürnberger Prozessen nicht mal annähernd die Strafe bekommen die er verdient hat, ganz im Gegenteil er hatte den Ruf eines „Gentleman Nazis“ uns ist friedlich gestorben. Selbiges gilt für Karl Dönitz, ein Admiral der für das Ertrinken lassen von Allierten Schiffsbesatzungen verantwortlich war, anstatt sie nach Versenkung feindlicher Schiffe aufzunehmen.