Thanks very much for this. July 2020 is a sad time to watch this video, because of the railway-removal project underway at Englewood. But this video is an important record of this operation. Thanks for all your work in producing it.
Credit should be given to the employees at the railway for granting me access and driving me to the various locations thus saving damage to my rental car, and for the cab ride. Everyone went out of their way to help. Thanks again, guys!!
Hefty little locomotive's,great sound,stunning scenery,the massive unloading derrick and a cab ride. Great railroad,thank you for both making this historical video and sharing it.
To fmnut, now I understand why a separate fuel source wouldn't work so good which results in air reservoirs being installed on the roof. Thanks for explaining that to me.
Great video! They should have stuck with the Yellow paint job, it's more of a classic logging paint scheme. Also gotta love the Buzzin' Dozen in that rock truck, no sound like it!
WFP finally killed it, and scrapped the whole system. All gone now , most all the scrap steel gone too. The hope is to make the old railbed into trails.
Your video is very good. It clearly explains logging in B.C. Its too bad that the SW1500s need to have the compressor tanks on top of the hood. It is so that larger diesel fuel tanks can be installed. Why not a tanker car holding diesel fuel with a transfer pump to the locomotives diesel tanks instead. I emailed the same to Trains Magazine months back and got no response. I can only hope that my idea about this aint baloney.
Fuel tenders are not a new idea, but for this operation they would be a bit impractical, as they switch their power around a lot. Also, a separate fuel source runs the risk of a fuel spill if hoses get cut, parted, etc. It was common to install air reservoirs on the roof when underbody space was scarce. Appearance is of secondary concern.
This was not a common carrier, but a wholly owned industrial line. As such, the fate of the line depended solely on the company's management, not a government regulatory body. The fatal accident was merely the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. They were talking about switching to truck haulage back when I visited in 1977. The trucks were all independents, and the logs were already being hauled part way by truck. The costs were about even between rail and truck, so after the accident, the risk averse management decided to let the independent truckers assume all of the risk. There were also a number of wooden trestles that would have needed replacement in a few years and with those capital costs factored in the railway would have cost more than trucking, especially with the government paying to maintain the roads.
I reread your question, not sure which operation you were referring to. at the loading point they use a loco to advance the cars. at the unloading point the excavator with the grab just moves down the line of cars on its treads.
+fmnut At the MOS Reload the SW's are on point to the right of the unloading derrick and push the empties back towards the two track siding. (?) That smoker is running them re pops pretty close to bald! Any trout in the stream YUM! Have to watch this action for a few days to get the rhythm.
RJ Myers I’ve been to the reloads while they were running and in the machine that loads the logs from truck to car the cars get moved up the line every 10 cars or so by the operator in the loading machine then get hooked to the locomotive a little while later. It’s been a while so don’t completely remeber how the thing works
The empty log trailers handle very poorly on the road, they need the weight of the logs for stability. I'm not sure, but possibly there is also a savings in road tax due to fewer axles on the road for half the trip. If you notice the tractors are built with pockets to accommodate the wheels of the trailer when being hauled piggyback.
Thanks very much for this. July 2020 is a sad time to watch this video, because of the railway-removal project underway at Englewood. But this video is an important record of this operation. Thanks for all your work in producing it.
Credit should be given to the employees at the railway for granting me access and driving me to the various locations thus saving damage to my rental car, and for the cab ride. Everyone went out of their way to help. Thanks again, guys!!
Good stuff, I was raised on that railway and miss it dearly
Hefty little locomotive's,great sound,stunning scenery,the massive unloading derrick and a cab ride. Great railroad,thank you for both making this historical video and sharing it.
Brings back memories. I was a wage slave at Woss, Nimkish and Vernon camps in the '70s. Steady camera work by the way - well done.
Maravilloso video, me encantas los ferrocarriles forestales. Thank (Temuco, CHILE 2020)
Amazing. That is one of my favourite railway and logging operations in Canada.
Great video, the tracks and ballast put the E&N to shame - even get to hear a screaming detroit diesel rock truck at the 18:30 mark !
To fmnut, now I understand why a separate fuel source wouldn't work so good which results in air reservoirs being installed on the roof. Thanks for explaining that to me.
Great video! They should have stuck with the Yellow paint job, it's more of a classic logging paint scheme. Also gotta love the Buzzin' Dozen in that rock truck, no sound like it!
SRY1202 the original yellow paint was cooler but the company changed from cfp to wfp and they repainted the lokies just letting ya know if you didn’t
Great video ,been there twice and photographed the locos and stock ,but never saw them in action,thanks a lot
Just went to Ida lake yesterday noticed they are ripping the tracks up by hyw 19 by the Zeballos turn off going to miss this railway
wow, they still use a cabuse as intended... good video, thanks. Also the log loader trycicle is pretty unique I guess.
WFP finally killed it, and scrapped the whole system. All gone now , most all the scrap steel gone too. The hope is to make the old railbed into trails.
I had no idea there was a railway on the Northern part of the island!
Did you know that there is still a yellow painted canfor locomotive on the north island it’s just in a weird spot! I believe it’s the 303
Your video is very good. It clearly explains logging in B.C. Its too bad that the SW1500s need to have the compressor tanks on top of the hood. It is so that larger diesel fuel tanks can be installed. Why not a tanker car holding diesel fuel with a transfer pump to the locomotives diesel tanks instead. I emailed the same to Trains Magazine months back and got no response. I can only hope that my idea about this aint baloney.
Fuel tenders are not a new idea, but for this operation they would be a bit impractical, as they switch their power around a lot. Also, a separate fuel source runs the risk of a fuel spill if hoses get cut, parted, etc. It was common to install air reservoirs on the roof when underbody space was scarce. Appearance is of secondary concern.
i cant belive one fatal derailment killed the railroad. no railroads would exist if that was common practice.
This was not a common carrier, but a wholly owned industrial line. As such, the fate of the line depended solely on the company's management, not a government regulatory body. The fatal accident was merely the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. They were talking about switching to truck haulage back when I visited in 1977. The trucks were all independents, and the logs were already being hauled part way by truck. The costs were about even between rail and truck, so after the accident, the risk averse management decided to let the independent truckers assume all of the risk. There were also a number of wooden trestles that would have needed replacement in a few years and with those capital costs factored in the railway would have cost more than trucking, especially with the government paying to maintain the roads.
Great video, awesome sounds as well, question how do the cars advance with a load at the unloading derrick?
they are pulled by a locomotive.
I reread your question, not sure which operation you were referring to. at the loading point they use a loco to advance the cars. at the unloading point the excavator with the grab just moves down the line of cars on its treads.
+fmnut At the MOS Reload the SW's are on point to the right of the unloading derrick and push the empties back towards the two track siding. (?) That smoker is running them re pops pretty close to bald! Any trout in the stream YUM! Have to watch this action for a few days to get the rhythm.
RJ Myers I’ve been to the reloads while they were running and in the machine that loads the logs from truck to car the cars get moved up the line every 10 cars or so by the operator in the loading machine then get hooked to the locomotive a little while later. It’s been a while so don’t completely remeber how the thing works
great video what is the small box locomotive used for have a good day
if you mean the box on top of the locomotive, it's the resistance grids and fan for the dynamic brake. the cylinders are the air reservoirs.
switchman cab
Too bad this is gone now.
Nice!
Why are they taking the trailers off of the trucks?
The empty log trailers handle very poorly on the road, they need the weight of the logs for stability. I'm not sure, but possibly there is also a savings in road tax due to fewer axles on the road for half the trip. If you notice the tractors are built with pockets to accommodate the wheels of the trailer when being hauled piggyback.
Ah, I gotcha, never seen that done before.
How heavy is the rail on this railroad?
Townshipfarmer mainline rail in the UK is about one hundredweight to the the yard length , so I would think it would be similar in the States.
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