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- This Top Tips episode is about Reserve Deployments and is inline with the APPI PPG Training Syllabus. It is not a substitute for a training course! To book a course visit: www.skyschooluk.com/learn-par...
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Great video. I had an accident 14 years ago, young and stupid. No reserve. I am very lucky I made it alive!! Almost lost my leg, ALWAYS carry a reserve!!
hans Calderon thanks for the comment. Let’s hope it reinforces the message to always fly with a reserve.
It didn't scare me out, but stopped flying regularly since then, I am waiting to gather enough money to come back the proper way, buying new equipment and a good flying school. I only flew a couple times tandem..... paragliding is just awesome!!!!
@Derick F I hope so too!
Thanks for sharing!
your comment aided into my decision " i'd be a fool to fly without one!! " so i bought one and fitted it Thanks !!!
You have to be the ONLY instructor willing to put tips on TH-cam! That speaks volumes!! I wish you had locations closer to me!!!
First, thanks for this video. I am new to paramotoring, a novice pilot but I do have a background in advanced parachuting from the military. We had steerable parachutes and we jumped into water, at night and in bad weather. I have never had to use my reserve. My thoughts are all speculative from what I have read or seen second hand. Para-motoring is a young sport and has lots of room for improvement. That is one of the things I really like about it. Here are my thoughts on using a reserve.
First I think it is dangerous to deploy two different and probably incompatible parachutes that are attached. Cluster parachutes used for dropping heavy equipment are the same size and deploy at the same time and they can get tangled up. I pulled guard duty at Fort Bragg at the vehicle junk yard where those failures were stacked up. The first and most obvious problem is the reserve getting wrapped up inside or around the failed chute. Stories of this happening are legion. From the video I think this is what happened with Grant Thompson. The only parachuting fatality I have ever witnessed was probably caused by this but it was to far away for witnesses to verify for sure.
Even if the reserve deploys safely, it may soon come into competition with the wing, especially if the compromised wing redeploys due to the change in dynamics caused by the reserve. The wing will want to fly and as it takes off it will circle the reserve pulling it more horizontal until both wing and reserve are banked so badly that they loose their lifting power and simply fly you into the ground full throttle. The centrifugal force could render the flyer totally helpless or mercifully unconscious.
All other sports abandon their craft and equipment before deploying a reserve; skydivers, aircraft, balloonists, etc. I think the location and action of the reserve should be designed to accomodate the flyer alone and that he/she should, in an emergency, bale from a trike (or take a knife and cut away from the risers if foot launching). The remaining effect of the existing failed wing should create a drogue and allow you to separate. There is a lot of room for clever design in this area.
Finally, we never rode our equipment into the ground. Everything was dropped and suspended below us on a tether and we landed free of our weapons, rucksacks and accessories. The frame may give you some protection but having something strapped to your back only increases the likelihood of sustaining an injury, especially your back or extremities. There is a lot of area here for research. I think it should be given a lot of study where possible.
On another note, landing in the water is probably one of the safest alternatives for emergency landing if you have prepared for it but that is another story.
my harness has a quick release for the parachute so it doesnt interfere with the reserve
Really appreciate these tips and techniques. Please keep them coming.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! That is so helpful and extremely clear in your steps, procedure and process for throwing the reserve from a paramotor! I can't say enough good or give enough praise for your skills, instruction, and your videos content!! Love all of them! I'm sure I speak for many, many viewers of your SkySchool videos -- they are top tier level instruction, they are making a difference in peoples lives, and you are so professional... and clearly you are having a great time flying. I will tell as many of my U.S. PPG/paramotor friends to check you guys out and to like subscribe and share your videos... and to support your efforts any way we can. You guys are Rock Stars!! Hopefully, some day I can join one of your SkyWeeks. Thanks again.
JT Wardle thanks for the feedback. We are glad they make a difference and will keep making them in the future. Safe landings....
@@SkySchool We very appreciated this info thanks very much from Germany
Howdy from a fellow pilot from Amarillo TX, subbed!
Excellent video, sharing!
Excellent! Great video Alex.
Ahh mate , great video , it’s marc purell from Cambridge, I spoke to you earlier , when u said , you don’t want to be landing with your arms and legs all akimbo, else they will just break ,,,, actually made me laugh out loud 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Glad to hear that mate. Look forward to hearing from you again soon and getting you booked in…
Great video!
awesome video ... thanks for sharing
That was excellent !
Hey on the recap at 3:09 you forgot to kill the motor! Your videos are amazingly good, thorough and detailed so props for all the hard effort to make great stuff. Had to mention it though.
I got a Beamer 3 - 42 and love it
Thank you!
BIG reserve, carries ALL the weight (para, you, "baggage") at a LOW sink rate. Obvious, but not much said in YT videos. Another good point I hadn't thought of is it might be good to wear light, but palm protective, gloves even in warmer weather. Some burn on the hands isn't life threatening, but it sure isn't comfortable for a couple of days, either.
Yeah, when deploying CONCENTRATE on the deployment, duh. Again, seems obvious, but in the "earnestness" of that possibly heart stopping moment (maybe at min chute deployment effective altitude), amazingly easy to forget, unless you drill it in, at least mentally, preferably with physical static practice. Last thing you need in a low altitude deployment situation is to be FUMBLING for the reserve, getting rapidly (depending) lower all the while. Eyes are ALWAYS your best sensor for that kind of work. One thing I find is these Sky School guys are REALLY on the ball in these videos, good info, well and concisely presented. NICE, thx! ;-)
BEFORE I get airborne the first time, I will re-watch and commit to up front memory all the safety preparedness info in their vids, among a few others.
Helpful!!
Thanks for the video.i have searched for reserve deployment videos and have found very few. A plus also looks like I have the same as you, Gin ?
Nice video
New subscriber nice video
Hi. I'm planning on getting a front mounted reserve; in my opinion the safest option as deployable by both hands. with my Parajet V3/Thor190 with a full tank of fuel, and my added weight inc cloths of 89kg, do you have any recomendations for the size of chute? Currently looking at a yeti 45 which I'll use with iether a Gin combi container or a supair front mounted which for both convieniently inlude a cockpit facility. Thank you for the great videos and sharing your knowledge with us. Best regards
The Gin G Lite 39m is a good option for your weight however generally the bigger the better! The Gin Yeti would also be good with a max weight limit of 150kgs. Glad you enjoy the videos.
@@SkySchool Appreciate the quick response. Thanks again.
How do I know what reserve parachute to buy as in which ones are the best? I fly a fresh breeze if that matters?
X36hypnotize the bigger the better! You need to gauge the all up weight and make sure you are under this.
Hey thanks for the reply new sub here because of it 👍 and yes I did know about the weight and size was unsure which brand to get I've been flying for 15 yrs now without a reserve but I'm getting addicted to SAT spins so I am finally making a wise decision by getting a reserve parachute. I just ordered one from fresh breeze and I'll let you know what I think 👍 thanks again for your time I appreciate it 😁
I have NEVER seen anyone that can kite like you are in the opening sequence, it's like that kite is mounted solid to the ground! And with what looks like NO WIND. Amazing. ;-)
KIDDING aside, I have learned a lot from your series. I'm an aspiring PPGer, and as an aviation buff in one form or another my whole life from full sized piloting to RC to control line (remember those?) to free flight, I'm really looking forward to flying "completely exposed in the wind" and ultimately buzzing fields and the like, AFTER sufficient gained proficiency and training. No severe hot dogging, just buzzing around for fun. The more I know before I start, the better and there is a lot of good info (and some HORRIBLE stuff, like Dell Shands, what an IDIOT!) and the "super" training beach morons that EVERYONE should stay the hell away from. If anyone ever says "I'm the best trainer in the world" RUN AWAY. The real top tier trainers and flyers NEVER have to say that, they just become KNOWN as that, you know, the Bob Hoover types (although I don't know if he trained).
Many instructors don't advocate collapsing the main chute, but it looks to me if you have the time and maintain situational awareness (altitude mostly, and end stage terrain below), especially when you see so many downward pointing flying foils opposed on the other side by the reserve, generating a STILL way too high sink rate to consistently walk away from. I saw one guy say he had a sore back for two days after a WATER landing in that configuration (with floats and chase boat) in an SIV class, so hitting the ground like that would often likely be pretty severely injurious, short of the luck of landing in a haystack or the like. I saw another cross over a road in the last seconds, and land (luckily) in a soft earth garden between 4-5" SPIKED POLES, no kidding, about 5 or so of them about 6 feet away in all directions (talk about lucky stars), wow.
On another video, I say a parafoiler have an accidental deployment (unprovoked by him, apparently) of a reserve while the main chute was fully flying seconds after launch, very low and close to the hill/mountain he had just launched from, so the reserve deployed behind him and collapsed the foil on it's own, and his sink rate and landing was old style round chute like, not damaging at all, though WHERE he landed could have been (steep hill, lots of ground clutter-fallen trees and the like). I've also seen severely folded or balled chutes "mess up" the round reserve, constantly rotating the reserve. Seems to me, as an engineer, that the reserve for these systems might benefit from a rotating joint at the harness to keep this kind of fowling from occurring. Maybe a reason not too, but seems a logical addition off the top of the ole pin head. I also think, in my case a secondary reserve, to be deployed where it will inflate fairly low, so as not to have too much air time to fowl, and to get more canvas overcast up there might be a good idea, not sure about that either, but seems reasonable, and somewhat expensive.
Seems like the way to go, collapsing the main, if you have time. Feel free to correct anything above I've said that is stupid or wrong. Like I said, I'm an engineer, they don't tend to be thin skinned, so to speak, and the RIGHT info is what matters. I may contact a chute manufacturer and suggest my idea to see if they think it might be incorporated to advantage, or whether it is bone headed because I'm not even REMOTELY an expert in that particular area.
Thank you!! I’ve always known that you should carry a reserve but I’ve never seen anyone discuss the details like this. Do you have to PLF when landing with a reserve or is it possible to land on your feet safely?
Thanks for your feedback. Yes, you should carry out a PLF.
Amazing video thanks for sharing. +++A
Hi, I have a lap mounted reserve which I've not had the opportunity to fly with yet. It will sit on my lap so I can reach it with either hand and throw it in any direction but all the videos I've seen have them side-mounted or lap mounted with the bridle feeding to either left or right up the harness which, it would appear, defeats the object of having it centrally located as throwing a reserve with the left hand, to the right doesn't have much energy in it as throwing a reserve, placed on the right side, out to the right, with the right hand. And throwing a right mounted reserve out to the left might see the line around my neck. I hope you're still with me. Can you please show a video, that shows how to correctly hook up a lap mounted reserve that can be thrown to the left or to the right with either hand. As my knowledge goes, which is very limited, I would have to connect the lines to my paramotor each time I choose to fly and that this might go straight to my carabiners that hook up to my wing. But I've not seen it done anywhere by anyone, and I'd like to get some expert advice and guidance. There are several possible scenarios where I might lose the use of one of my arms up there and I feel the need to make sure that I have a system in place that allows me to safely deploy my reserve with either hand in any direction. Thanks in advance.
You would indeed have to connect this to both of the carabiners in order to give you the option of throwing the reserve to either side. The negative aspect of this is your reserve will be redundant if you have a carabinier failure. Plus once the reserve deploys you will be suspended in more of a seated position as opposed to in a vertical one when the risers are connected to the shoulder straps. As we don’t know your kit the best option for you is to speak to an experienced instructor who can help you.
@@SkySchool Thanks for the really quick reply and information. When I manage to get back to my Instructor (CM Paramotors) He'll able to show me for sure. Just trying to keep my knowledge fresh and topped up as getting out to train with CM is pretty difficult for me ATM Thanks for the considerations I need to make about crab failure and seat positioning. Tha't's somthing to ponder on and quite honestly, somthing I'd not considered. FYI, I have a Parajet volution3 with standard harness and a thor 190. All the best and thanks again.
Can you tell us about altitudes in regards to deployment of the reserve? At what point its useless? What else can you do to increase survivability if its too late/low for reserve?
Reserves have been known to open as low as 100ft/30m above the ground however traditionally 500ft/150m above the ground is the height at which your reserve should have time to deploy and gain stability. The key thing is to avoid ever having to use the reserve in the first place however should you have an unrecoverable deflation close to the ground for example the only thing you could attempt to do is perform a Parachute Landing Fall (PLF) and hope for the best!
@@SkySchool Thanks! Sure, I always believed "don't do stupid crap" is the best policy in regards to safety. Just was curious about reserve altitudes as I haven't seen anyone mention that.
I dont think anyone has ever said "oh its too low to use my reserve, lets see what else can I do?"
That is one big reserve. What size is it? I have an ozone angel 140 and it looks half the size of that thing. I am 120 all up and I figured being under the upper end by 20kg would suffice. What do you think?
In the film we are using the older Gin One G 42m which has a weight range of up to 130kgs. You should be fine with your 140.
Thank You @@SkySchool
I shed the weight of a reserve and stopped flying with one because I very, very rarely fly high enough to even make it effective. Even when I do fly high enough, it's in conditions where I'd never have a collapse of any sort.
B Smith the general consensus is to have and not need rather than need and not have, irrespective of the height you fly at
Looks like you have routed your accelerator cable over the top of the reserve straps. That's going to yank your accelerator up potentially trapping your arm
I've seen too many videos of reserve chutes getting caught in the wing. Seems some have 2 reserve chutes to combat that. Would a chute that launches itself and a long bridle avoid this?
Yes it would and they have this on some trikes however with a ballistic reserve the weight is an issue on a paramotor.
@@SkySchool More than two reserves?
@@KB3M This is also an option and is popular with Acro Paraglider pilots. However the likelihood of having to use your reserve while Paramotoring conservatively is very low, hence why most people fly with just one.
#1 kill engine #2 two toggles in opposite hand side of reserve and bury as to mantain the collapse and prevent spin # 3 deploy reserve down and away, keep the toggles buried so it stays above to help slow the decent. #4 kiss the ground. This is my plan.
I want to learn to paramotor; theres so few women and the costs are huge, for training and equipment.... im not sure i can afford the training but i need training and a mentor
What prevents the reserve from flying directly into the wing?
The line length of the reserve is usually different to the line length of the Paraglider, however this does not guarantee the reserve will not be tangled in the lines. As Pilots we should therefore take action to stop the Paragliding from flying, usually by pulling on the Bs or Cs and then pulling the lines in towards us until we can gather in all of the fabric of the Paraglider.
@@SkySchool Is it ever advisable to cut the wing free before deploying the reserve?
@@JamesRPatrick not before on a traditional round reserve but you could cutaway after you have deployed the reserve but this could cause the wing I end up getting tangled in the reserve!
Reserve= cheap life insurance.
I doubt most instructors know this information with the same of details as you know.
How do you practice in the air without commiting?
like the throttle is on my right hand.. i have instaled reserve on left side..then throttle dont disturb me. ;)