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Welcome back all to part 2 of my exploration around the Origins of Chaos & the Warp. (timestamps below) In part 2 of 3 we look into the initial stages of the War in Heaven and the Eldar War in Heaven. We are also exploring Eldar Mythology, and what it means to be Eldar. Much of the details in this and the first video will be fleshed out further in the final video. We will also conclude the War in Heaven in part 3 as it leads us into the time of Eldar Dominion and The Fall. I still apologise for my voice - I am working to heal and recover my vocal cords currently. I hope you enjoy!
Timestamps:
1:41 Intro
6:22 The War in Heaven
18:18 The Aeldari
39:39 Eldar Mythology & The War in Heaven
59:53 Soul Cycles
1:10:53 Outro
HELL YES!!!!
Are you going to make a series about the primarchs ? An in depth look at each primarch's individual story, unique attributes, their chapter/legion and the chapter/legion's history, formation and unique attributes. Story behind aesthetics of each regarding their armour, name etc. Maybe even an episode on the sororitas ?
Keep up the good work btw man. Many have said it before, but I'll say it again... you got me into 40k lore and I've been addicted since I watched the first video 🤙
Eventually
As someone new to the game and starting with eldar I want to say thanks for providing an eldar perspective.
@@Luetin09 very keen for that mate. Thank you 👌
I used to re-listen to your warhammer40k playlist to fall asleep to epic stories well spoken, now I stay awake to hear the new. Well done, as ever.
Haha, me too man
Same. It's honestly how I got interested in 40k lore!
Finally finished after 3 watches lol.
Afraid to sleep I'm havin' crazy dreams.
Same
This is like reading the books in the basement of the Vatican...
Sike there are no books, just gold and treasure.
ImBarryScottCSS The Vatican has hella books. A lot of them are extremely old and rare. One of a kind. There are even ancient books about Satanism as well as demon worship and black magic.
Without the hidden records of priests being planted in communities to rack up child "offences" and send back the evidence
This is like church at Dale Earnhardt's house.
- Gex
@@luigicadorna8644 and how exactly are you aware of what the vatican keeps in their basement? Or is that just personal speculation? Bc even if they have story's of such without you having firsthand knowledge they remain stories.
2:02
>lapdogs like Rogal Dorn
Valrak's bolter finger must've burst into hives, inexplicably.
He gets alot of hype, understandably.
I wouldn't call it wrong at all though, he is the literal embodiment of the personality of a lapdog.
Wulgreath it’s true though. Just like the elder, we get so caught up in our own splendor as a species, we seemingly can’t see things from the perspective of others.
This made me laugh
The crusade preparations are probably already under way.
@@RebelOfTheNorm242 honestly, haven't really been able to since the other temporal side of Rome...
The Deceiver: Hello
The Silent King: Wait, your name is 'the Deceiver'?
Not the Deceiver: ... No?
I'd probably say it's more of a case of the C'tan's name being attributed as "The Deceiver" after the fact. Maybe once they were shattered into pieces they cursed their very names and began to use those names as representations of the very things they did before being shattered and bound.
@@BrotherRoga His original name, Mephet'ran, meant "The Messenger" in the Necrontyr language.
"The Deceiver" is his name amongst the C'Tan (and the revived Necron Dynasties); his original Necron name translates to "The Messenger," seemingly an allusion to Nyarlathotep.
His name is actually Jeremy. Jeremy Deceiver.
@@BrotherRoga or now hear me out, the c’tan while having all the knowlage, weren’t actually very smart
Lmao
Thank you Luetin for putting so much effort into these videos!
Agreed!
@@VidovicArts heresy!! now go watch Tuska The Daemon Killer, its the only true happy ending in 40k,
spoiler: and tuska and da boyz lived happily ever after
I literally just finished watching the first, went to TH-cam home page and this was waiting for me.
By the Emperor it's a glorious day
Imagine someone several years from now. Probably the same thing actually unless he stops anyways.
The Emperor has nothing to do with this, this is filthy Xenos heresy!
@@omkardhami2687 peace, Inquisitor. To know His Enemy is to know His Enemy's weakness. This is little different.
TEP
The Emperors arrogance and other shortcomings confirm he is ultimately human. As superior he is in all things, he is still flawed and this shows us his inescapable humanity. This goes with your theory that he was human , enlightened and enhanced by a wondering old one. The origin that you presented in your, Emperor of mankind series ,that I personally subscribe to.
All hail the Man Emperor of Mankind
Yes, inquisitor? This comment right here
@@metajarra *loads ninja star gun*
Like a Polytheistic God.
Hey fellow Necrontyr I think this incomprehensible astaral being who calls himself the Deceiver is just what we need..........oops.
oh no, we have been
D E C I E V E D
how could this have happened, what treachery!
No! Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal!
"They call themselves 'decepticons' and you think you can trust them?"
Isn't his real name the messenger?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 actually I'm pretty sure that these are just titles he was probably called the messenger when the necrontyr first meg him but then called him the deceiver when he tricked them with the bio transference
Damn it. I’ve been binge watching this channel for a while now.... now I have to get back into WH40k again. It’s been 15 years but it looks like it’s eldar again for me.
All of the races in 40k are amazing...yet after all the years only the Eldar remain my favorite. There's something intriguing & intrinsically fascinating about a small population on the brink of death-yet weilding so much power that even in their current state, they remain a threat to be reckoned with & respected.
Every single one of your videos is an experience. I enjoy listening to these lengthy discussions about lore and Warhammer history.
A thought to consider Luetin09. I was reading A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill in the Horus Heresy Novels. There was one point of interest where the Primarch Magnus made his way to Terra across the Warp. Upon Reaching Terra he found a doorway but could not get it. Then a huge titanic power aided him. This unnamed power was eternal and most importantly BENEVOLENT. Magnus notes how the Warp is a place on contradictions and that there are powers in the warp that are malicious as well as beneficial, if one knows how to differentiate. This is coming from that book on Page 439. With what you have said in your video it suggest that good gods can come from the warp. That same section I mentioned also states that dreams are connected to the warp, at least for humans. This in turn suggests that the Eldar could indeed have "dreamed" their gods into existance, from the warp, and that these warp gods were beneficial, for the most part. What do you think?
Pretty sure that star energy was like meat and potatoes for the c'tan, and then they discovered they could eat souls (and pain, fear, suffering... All that other good stuff.) and those were like a cocaine milkshake.
Also, the whole "we totally fought those guys you hate before, 'tis true without lying." schtick? Well, the guy is called "The Deceiver". What do you think?
Rookie mistake. The C’tan don’t eat souls.
Thank you for continuing long format video it's now keeping my mind occupied while dealing with my father's death.
Me, a random TH-cam viewer: May ye find comfort and serenity
Well, that escalated quickly! I actually listen to Part 1 & Part 2 twice now because of the amount of information and it's brilliant. the Atmospherics of the soundtrack are perfect. Bravo sir.
I have been checking EVERY day since your last vid for a new one. Damn i LOVE your vids SO much! keep up the amazing work!!
They are awesome!
Let the Eldar be reborn! I want them to rise above all.
Slenesh says otherwise
Luetin, I hear the Interstellar-esque music and I want you to know that, yes, it was exactly the right choice.
Your work is simply epic. Truly a masterpiece of 40k scale
Your standards for quality are such an easy thing to be inspired by. Kudos good man
Yes commissar, this guy again...
I haven't had 40K miniatures for about a decade but I am loving this Lore Series! are you planning to cover other sub-factions like the Harlequins and the other space machine chapters?
By what you’ve said about the Aeldari gods, the Emperor is certainly an example of one : a potent psychic weapon against Chaos.
So we get a good example of why there are no “good,” gods : they have to be actively created, and Chaos exists in the lack of such activity.
Love the idea that elder beings have that kind of "power" or "potential" inside them. So cool that I've always loved the elder but not because of your video I love them more. Thanks mate 👍 please keep the videos coming and Thank you so much for all the effort you put in
Can't wait for more Ynnari lore. I just got into warhammer 40k about 6 months ago, and something about them just clicked. Slowly but surely I am assembling a Ynnari army.
Dear Luetin
First of all, I love your content. It is highly entertaining and lifts the whole discussion to a new level. It is sometimes more like a philosophical debate than pure lore telling content.
But I think one thing gets out of sight here. Besides the fact that probably warp and all is a mirror of humanity and we are fighting ourselfs, standing to the emporer is rather a quoiston of objective arguments then a question of standing to humanity itself. I believe that the imperium has made its mistakes. Like any empire ever before the empirium is a faceless construct held together by an idea. The idea is that humanity needs a home. Someone who stands up for them. And the expression of that idea is the emporer himself. Representented by every imperial soldier, astartes or civilian. Even if humanity fights against itself and the emporer has his flaws and that humanity didn‘t managed to become that secular society it might have could become, humnity does - unless the eldar - fight back. For the emporer!
Wow, I never really thought about the Aeldari immortal souls thing. That's what makes the Swarmlord terrifying, and their whole race was like that? Actually frightening
So I watched the first portion of this 3-part series and then immediately watched the second section, as I really want to hear about all the stuff you keep saying will be in the third video... I also am new to this game and am playing the Eldar, and this second video was an incredible exploration of their lore... But it's not finished, and it has been a year. When will the third part to this 3-part series finally be finished?
Its coming for sure
@@Luetin09 Fantastic! Your content really is very good. I love the depth, and the fact that you choose to rely on logic and philosophical theory so much to ensure there is a strong foundation of knowledge that accompanies the very complex universe you are exploring. It's a pleasure to see such good work being done.
I have slowly every night, have been watching every warhammer video. The lore and story b of WH is incredible.
Frankly astounding Luetin. The best 40k lore video I have ever seen, learned a lot and fantastic artwork to boot. Thank you Sir!
This is a great video. I had thought when I was a kiddo the Eldar deities were literally warp gods like Slaanesh, and then later as the Necron stuff came out thought of them more like the first batch of Eldar. I love how you present information in a way that allows for viewers to really think about things themselves and how their want Their Guys™ to be. Are they Old One Bio Weapons, are they the early imaginings of the Eldar, are they gods, are they metaphors? Does it matter, do the Eldar even know? Is there even a real answer? Maybe not but it's the journey of thinking and imagination that's the more interesting part than the destination of This Is The Canon Answer.
I think an interesting idea regarding Good Warp deities could also be that the Eldar Gods were the good ones, with aspects like Compassion, Justice and Protection, and that part of the reason why the universe is so grim dark now is that those deities and the concepts they represent were literally killed and devoured. That isn't based on anything specific, just a fun thing to think about as the warp is a reflection of psyche then people become influenced by those concepts and beings. Which just feeds the cycle as less people believe in those concepts of goodness, which makes the universe worse, which continues the cycle anew.
This video is a really fantastic breakdown of a lot of things (like the Falcons and Hawks) I've read probably about a dozen times as new books come out over the years, and connects the dots in ways that now seem obvious but when reading them as a kid I just completely missed.
I think your "connect the dots metaphor" regarding fan fiction is also really apt. If you connect all the dots the way they are numbered, we can place more dots in between them on the lines, and we can also place dots slightly off the lines where we would think they go, and that can result in a picture with more curves and accuracy to what we feel the picture should look like. When we start putting dots wherever we want with no regard for the current lines, it results in something that just doesn't match at all.
A+ work, can't wait to watch a Part 3
only 30 mins in and already another amazing vid pal, i just wish you could do them daily (i know thats no possible lol) i always end up painting more while listening to these, keep up the good work matey
I wish that too lol
@@Luetin09 yeah although i dont think you'd have a voice left haha, ah well ill just blame you for me having a fair few unpainted minis lol
Ohhhh. Got work then as soon I get back ;) this video is mine. Gf can wait
Girlfriend huh?
The production value of your videos @Luetin09 always makes my jaw drop! man I love your videos!
HERESY INTENSIFIES, you are just a treat dude these videos are just 10/10
Excellent video. I'm eldar all the way. I love the narrative of being a fallen great power.
Your lore is pretty good man. I love me some Asuryani lore
Hot damn, I know what I am doing this evening now
😎
Just wanted to say that your videos are awesome and I always look forward to new ones!
I like to think that the Eldar split the original chaos gods in two to gain their positive aspects while the negative aspects were imprisoned and then eventually released by the birth of Slanesh. They never separated Slanesh because how could pleasure be a bad thing?
I love listening to these before sleep.
Emperors holy inqusition demands for you to do epic video on adeptus custodes!
I love your idea of how the Avatar is called forth and why it fits perfectly.
okay so, to put it simply
Eldar: no fear
Slaanesh: *exists*
Eldar: one fear
I'm new to the lore, did I get it right?
Another vid so quick, the emperor truely provides!!!
ive always thought the stylistic similarities between khaine and khorne were worthy of investigation. sadly, theres nothing solid to suggest a connection. the only theory that fits into things for me is that khorne was born as a mirror of khaine. you could also consider that "barrier" that was erected to separate gods and mortals to be a reference to the changing nature of the warp and the difference between the warp as seen during the wars in heaven and the warp post-slaanesh. another idea is that they really were one in the same, but as the warp changed, so too did they.
again though, theres nothing in canon to give any real credit to this, its all just correlation.
If you go back to 1st ed, it categorically states that khaine was a part of khorne and the reason khaine survived the fall is because slannesh got into a punch up with khorne trying to steal the energy that was khaine.
Oh boiii......
Doing the eldar more justice than GW has in the last 20 years ❤️
Awesome stuff, Leutin.
By the way, what was that amazing music piece you put for the outro?
Hector Posser - Our New World via epidemicsound
@@terrorcell123 Thank you!
As I understand it, Khaine's avatar may be a psychic manifestation of an unshackled Aeldari survival instinct to fight when the need is dire. This makes sense to me. Giving yourself over to fight or flight is powerful and dangerous for humans. For a species with enormous and barely constrained psychic power, it would be even more so.
I deem myself as an eldar, I live life with a intensity That feels almost alien to my close people. I feel love fully, I feel hate with whrath, and I can't escape of the closed loop of infinite pleasure and love, joy ; with the darkest side of despair, hate, and violence That my life is.
I do not wish this to anyone, as I venture myself into the great journey I find only That im missunderstood and alone; my dreams are more vivid that anyone I've had ever spoken too, proud? Ego? Dont be a fool. Im a lone old soul wondering what I've done to deserve this blessing That happends to be my hell.
Awesome video, eldars are one of the most interesting parts of the 40k universe
So in-depth, may the emperor protect you to eternity Brother Luetin.
New lore have been mentioning that WIH between Necron and Old Ones damaged universe and reached to other galaxies as well.
40K sure knows how to name stuff. "The War In Heaven" just sounds absolutely apocalyptic and massive in scale.
Altho i still think the Chaos gods have goofy names but that's just my opinion i guess
You might even call them Khorney
Fun fact;
Nurgle's based on an actual god on Earth, Nergal, and he does looks pretty goofy (if not fabulous), and he has a life magic wife.
Tzeentch is based off of an amalgamation of Nyarlathotep and Yog-Sothoth
Khorne's a f-balrog. We all know it.
Slaanesh is a apparently original content (or just rapier Dionysus).
You're doing the Emperor's work with these videos Luetin!
My god its so good! I'm going to watch it for the 50th time
What music you use at the end man, it sounds so amazing
Again, you made the gathering storm pt 2 less boring than it is, once again bravo
Cadia next
Again easy to say that you make gathering storm less boing
PRAISE BE THE MAN EMPORER OF MANKIND, HIS LOYAL SUBJET IS DOING OUTSTANDING WORK. PRAIISSSEEE
The necrons are the reason for half the shit that's been going on in 40k universe and I love it
welp luetin you have now given me another theory to put in my head as to how the eldar gods worked
Ok the whole thing about the warp part was latterly a physics lesson about (and repeted roughly 5 times) paradoxes and loops , so I pressed on to watch this one, and litterly the information is so scattered i thought it was made on a dry erase board with finger paints. Will you love of god , just put it in choronological order WITH in reason. back tracking 2 milenia at a time is frustraiting to listen to when you go on about one event , then to fast forward , go 90% into another event , then back track it to the one before.
It seems like, to use your description of aspects of the warp being tethered to events in the Materium, certain points in time are tethered to the good in the Warp, and certain points of time (aka the 41st Millennium) are tethered to the evil in the Warp.
Nice, high quality work
Cheers the the tips on twitter today. I'll have a look on those sites via ur links on payday which is end of the month. Whoop
Love the vids keep em up
Any chance on doing a video on the emperors personal guard
What is the name of the song that plays in the outro? The one with the long, droning organs?
I think it's from the movie Interstellar
@@noobkaka567 Close, but not quite.
As with all the music I use its from Epidemic Sound: Our New World - Hector Posser
However, they keep changing their track names and author names no idea why this means I could tell you what it is today and later it might change.
th-cam.com/video/6zqg3UgH2yc/w-d-xo.html
@@Luetin09Thanks for the reply!
Still not sure how Kayne and Korn differ. Both are absolute rage, prude, and bloodlust.
the whole idea of the warp with its "everything is happening at the same time and nothing is happening at all" and " there is no time" just does not work. Its neet and sounds cool but when we take it literally it wouldnt work. Because when there is no time there is nothing happening ... things wouldnt move forward or backwards. They wouldnt move at all. In fact time does not exist seperate from the material world but is an byproduct of the material world existing. I always thought of the Warp as something that. as the name suggests., warps time and space. Wich means time exists but just heavily warped and entangled. But Stuff still happens in a somewhat linear fassion.
A strange thought occurs to me. Have the Eldar paused long enough to consider the ramifications of destroying her? If her birth cry consumed most of their race what will her death throes do to what's left?
Two thumbs up brother!
Considering that another Ctan cursed the Necrons with the flayer virus this is at least feasible
I AM HERE FOR THE LESSON
Still waiting for part 3^^
Thanks for making the effort! Love it
How is there so much lore to this? Like goddamn lol
Love your work.
Ok this one shall have my influence lest see ;) looking great by the way ;)
Or the old ones could be the chaos gods because they can’t exist if there is no living feeling things in the universe, so the soulless necromancy would be their worst nightmare
I thought each god was actually both the positive and negative emotions surrounding a theme? so they're all both good and bad all rolled into one? and actually there is no concept of good and bad there anyway, and it's just our puny, human brains trying to make sense of it.
I really don't think they are evil at all, at least not intentionally. It's just how it ends up on our end.
Essentially though I always seen each god has having both pos and neg traits.
So 60 million years, somewhere far as fuck, an Eldari hero was stung by a... scorpion? I mean... how the shit did scorpions live that far away, explanation is needed! Cannot sleep!
"So much heresy that not even the Inquisition can cleanse it!"
-Anonymous reviewer
Then there is TAU, who would fight everything with railguns, mechs, exosuits and array of united Aliens with purpose of bringing GREATER GOOD to the universe.
I love 40k.
@Shreyas Misra greater good, if you don't believe in greater good,
here's 40 million reasons why...
greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good, greater good,
This made me be inspired for the future of the Eldar! Well done ☺️✌️
There need to be a 40k MMO. Like “Knights of the Old Imperium” lol
there might be a reference to the contest between khorne and slaanesh re: khaine in one of the two chaos codexes from 3rd edition. I think it was the first... but I do not know. I know of the story's existence and never read any of first edition... but that doesn't mean that that is correct.
Now we wait to see how it all comes together.
You have such a good voice
That was brilliant 👏
The issue with these threads about people debating the Warp gods as not being evil is this...
If they truly embodied anything other than evil, then why do we never, in ANY instance, have benevolent actions that represent aspects of their nature. If Nurgle was truly as neutral as people are trying to claim, then why are there no acts that would veer into benevolence or kindness that also adequately represent new life and growth, and instead the acts are strictly designed to be as baleful as possible. Y'all are trying to put a gray tinge to the black, and then arguing that "oh well it's open to interpretation" when cornered.
i have been struggling with this for a while, but in 41K there is no way for necrons to replenish their fallen troops right ? they can't reproduce ? if one of them dies (a damage beyond what the living metal can ever recover from), like their bodies are completely destroyed or their soul torn apart ... that necron is gone for good and they will not have the ability to replace him, right ?
It really amazing how much this sounds like zachieria stitchen ancient aliens and scientology obviously the writers of 40 k have some knowledge of scientology and sumerian text at least the things zachieria said lol p.s zachieria didn't get much of the translation of ancient text right he really had limited knowledge of summieran language but dam does it make a great story it seems to me a lot of 40 k comes from Zacks writing
All your talk about how the Eldar created entities and viewed them as gods sounds like something the Krork/Orks would do. Then again, the Aeldari were never the brightest star in the galaxy either, so I might be giving them a little too much credit...
So instead of just giving the Necontir immortality the old ones would rather just create another immortal race to rage war against.
If Slaanesh was destroyed, the Aeldari could also wage a total war against the forces of Chaos.
i wish i could like this twice
Necrons are so cool!
Since the warp is untangled time and causality, all of the Mythologies are true.
That's the point. Each faction is correct in thier version of warp events, all while disbelieving the other, while knowing that the warp is every unreal and real time line at once.
Eldar have cognitive dissonance issues literally with unreality.
Let the Xenos War amongst themselves, makes it less trouble for the true power of the galaxy...THE IMPERIUM OF MAN!!!!
Yeah! lets put the Gothic Nazis in charge! - cough - Horus was right still - cough cough - The emperor is a massively conceited hypocritical ass hole who deserved his stabby stab.
In fact if Magnus didn't ride the little yellow bus too school, we wouldn't even need whats essentially just another super power possessing dick in my book. Sure he might as well be god, but he's so very full of himself if i met him id have too restrain myself from trying and failing too murder his face until he stopped spewing his nonsense.
#failbadon
Buzz off umies!!! Da BOYZ GONNA B DA REEL ONES RUNNIN DA SHOW!!!! (If the Tyranids don’t wipe you out first)
@@dhreddedsick2849 Oi did ya callz da da BoyZ. Wez be ere wut ya want me to choppa
Jaskn King
Ave Hereticus!!!
Chaos bias
Let them fight...