The Hard Part About Growing Wheat
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2020
- I grew a fairly large scale plot of wheat this year and have run into several struggles with growing, harvesting, and threshing.
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Einkorn, emmer, and spelt are hulled wheats, unlike modern free-threshing wheats. They have glumes that adhere tightly to the seeds. They typically require a separate step of dehulling using a friction dehuller or impact dehuller. I believe one of the old ways of threshing involved tying a board, with or without ribs, to a horse and riding around on stone threshing floor with weight or a person on the board. This would mimic a modern friction dehuller and would both thresh and dehull wheat. I think this experiment in home wheat growing would have been better with free-threshing heirloom wheat, barley, or rye varieties. Also, a weedwacker/string trimmer seems to work better for threshing than the drills do.
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Came to learn about wheat and stayed for the chimney cleaning video.
Thresh between the two buckets. Add something to rub and see if the closer quarters will help. That’s basically how a combine works.
I don't know the answer, but I did watch my grandfather thres wheat with a threshing machine...I would look up old threshing machinge schematics and see if I could get some good engineering ideas from them.
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Been reading the comments below and had to respond. I live in S.W. Michigan and have been growing a plot of about 25 x 90 area with wheat. My first attempt was using the cheap "ground cover wheat crop" that is the wheat that wasn't best quality. My first harvest gave me almost 80 lbs. worth. I have not achieved the same results since. I've used more specifics name grain since but haven't had the same results. Using ein corn wheat would seem to be much harder to harvest since it is a much smaller grain.
For threshing, I used a bucket similar to you method but it was only a sinple bucket with a hole in the lid for the threshing rod. I learned that I had to cut all the heads off. I use my drill like you did, but my brother welled two pieces of chain on to 3.8" rebar rod. The chains used were those that are used for hanging lamps from the dining room chandelier. They are smooth links and not as heavy. The chains are almost long enough to reach the walls of the bucket. I filled the bucket with about half full wheat heads and then beat the snot of them for about 15+ seconds. While I am running the drill I lift and lower the chained rod up and down continuously. This works really well. I then pour out the contents of the bucket and refill it again half way. Some one suggested that you were doing two things at once. I agree, you should first thrash and then winnow. Using a cheap box fan works very well. It will take several passes using the fan, but it will provide good and fast results.
I like the experimental stuff. Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
And I can't wait to see all the wheat thrashing experts point out what you did wrong...
Lol
Lmao more like nothing ventured nothing *grained*
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Nice you will get it !! Keep that Mind Going Sir !! Hope Family is Good !! & Thank You FOR Your Time !!
A for effort! A+ for honesty and self criticism.
Loving your channel ssl dad.. we are similiar.. I was in IT, live in midwest, have a honestead, outdoor wood stove and a youtube channel. Really inspired by your channel! Here's to a blessed 2020 for you and your family
Watched some of your stuff, great channel and great editing! May need to talk with you and get some tips sometime
@@SSLFamilyDad aww thanks! I was inspired by your outdoor wood burner videos. I did one a few weeks back, a review of ours 4 years later and that video went crazy with over 800,000 views. I got the idea by watching your video. Not sure why my video did so well, but thankful it did. Anyways - looking forward to learning more from your channel in 2020. I also appreciate (and understand) all the effort it takes to film while homesteading..really adds a huge amount of extra work, but I'm so glad we did and can look back at our progress. Thanks
I have been ordering einkorn flour for a few years now since I figured out most of this whole gluten thing is not related to gluten. It's the modern hybrid/engineered wheat that is causing allergies/intolerance. I feel sick when I eat it. Like the flu. The einkorn is an ancient grain with the original genetics. Anyone with these issues please look into it before assuming it's gluten. I was also looking into growing my own now that we moved into a place with enough land but (I don't think it's coincidence this video happened to appear today) I was just researching the same things this weekend after doing a lot of praying about the next steps the Lord has for me. Thanks for sharing this.
I discovered that about corn for me. I'm not sure if it's the round up or the genetics. I'm not dedicated enough to eliminate corn from my diet all together. It's in everything. But, I do try to avoid it and notice the difference.
We are New Hampshire organic farmers and it makes sense to avoid Round Up or any pesticides.
So organic non- GMO corn and flour ( if it says ORGANIC that should indicate that no pesticides were applied). I am going to look into the einkorn flour. So sad to have to re-invent healthy flour!
@Cheap Skate if you were looking for info on the modern wheat vs ancient grains, just start doing your own searching on exactly that. I found this out from the Lord leading me through the problem and my own processes of elimination. It was a winding path but I found the answers I needed. If you were looking for somewhere to order the flour I have been, it's through Bluebird Grain Farms in WA.
knightfog80 very little wheat is hybid or gmo many are "improved varieties " through selective breeding but some do use modern weed spray and most do use fertilizers on them. i have grown wheat for over 40 yrs and until recenty a true hybrid wheat was very hard to find. corn and soybean are another story
@Cheap Skate didnt say it was gluten free totally diff than hybrid, until recently it has been very hard to get a true hybrid wheat that is consistant. my dad actually grew some (true hybrid wheat) for "Dekalb seed co" but they dropped the program after a couple of years , Monsanto eventially bought Dekalb out and they now have the tech to do gmo such as roundup ready corn, soybeans. also the hybrid wheat was verry expensive like 100 dollars a bushel (back then) wheat is currently 4.46 a bu at the local elevator and yes developing a gluten free wheat would be a very profitable product.
For the blower, you could cut a hole in the down spout piece. Then you have a leak in the output rather than restrict the input.
The drill thresher is a good idea for many seeds too! Like Cole crops.
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EcoCentric Homestead I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today
@@MrTGleaner I think mega farms have reached their peak. In the future, demand for small farm equipment will be on the rise. If you feel inspired, work on inventing equipment that does to work of the large farm equipment in a small, diverse farm setting.
I have pulled the creep out of the stock and that's a lot of work thank you for sharing keep up the good work God bless you bye for now Ken
Good effort, i love your videos but your dog was the star of the show on this one....too funny watching him.
😂😂 Right? The dog was awesome! 😊🤣
The dog was so hilariously curious, he made me laugh!
I have never don that but if you use longer chains and different sizes in conjunction with each other maybe 4 alternating chains
Well Dad, I hope you keep going with this project, I am interested to see if you can get something going.
How about using a dimmer switch to slow down the air flow of the fan? I have no idea if that would work but it’s a thought (all the electricians probably know). Keep creating theses videos, I always enjoy them!
I think you should not try to by pass the most important step of threshing which is pressing the wheat. Pressing would ensure the berries get loosened. Check internet for basic pasta machines and copy the concept of two rollers/drums moving together to flatten the dough. The wooden roller would be ideal to do the job. You might need to pass the wheat multiple times through the rollers for the grains to loosen out. Good luck
I think using a 6in inline thats used in grow tents that has a speed control would for this. You would be able to control it much easier
You can just beat against the inside of a trash can then put it on a screen and flip it into the air the chaff flies away.
I had 600 acres of organic land and grew spelt which is a hulled variety. You should have grown a wheat like red fife, which is easy to thresh. I have a dozen or two varieties of heritage wheat varieties that I do small plots.
The dog! Oh My Gosh....ROFL! Trying to eat what comes out of the holes. What a goof ball!
You need a waste gate in the down spout with a baffle up stream. Even if you switch to a hair dryer you still may need a waste gate and baffle for the air part to work.
Couple of things to try... maybe lengthen the chains to reach the sides of the bucket. Possibly lengthen the down spout so less air reaches the bucket. Good luck sir Love the videos.
Dan Chauvin I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today
Damn good idea thanks
*162.👍Good idea, my wife found your Channel, found your video on your plywood flooring installation on your house before you moved.*
We have similar type channels I'm glad I found your Channel I look forward to hear from you God bless you keep up the great work bye for now brother Ken
... what if you some rocks and put it in your bucket and then ship the bucket using a smaller bucket like a 1 gallon bucket with rocks in it that you could shake the finish the process? Look forward to hear from you God bless you bye for now.
Happy New Years keep looking up👆
A deeper bucket or tube, the seed will only blow so high, and the chaff will go much higher, so the blower will seperate the seed and chaff much easier..........
One year, I let the straw that sprouted in the garden (I'd mulched potatoes with it) grow to harvest. It is tough to thresh. after a few tries, i ended up getting help from my daughter. As we sat and talked about school, we took whole heads of grain and one by one pressed out each kernel. It took time, but it seemed to be the best way we didn't lose kernels.
Typically, I thresh seeds using two pie pans or a couple shallow bowls.... and a gentle evening breeze. Just pouring it from a foot or two above the bucket with an evening breeze, will remove a lot of chaff. It takes several times, but it works very well for seed saving of many things.
With the wheat, maybe put it in a cloth sack and roll with a rolling pin. Then put in a bowl or bucket. Then shake it to let the heavy stuff settle. The stuff of top should just be light bulky stuff like straw. Remove that by hand. Shake some more. Remove as much chaff by hand as you can. Then, when you have fine stuff mixed with your grain and you are afraid you'll be tossing grain out too... change you method and use a gentle breeze as above to finish the job.
Hmmm.... curious if you might be able to crush up several sacks in a washing machine.... no water of course. Or maybe two boards with one coming down in a rotary stamping method to crush wheat between the boards... then thresh.
Maybe try as others said reducing airflow by using a hole in the charge pipe to limit the pressure in the buckets to where you need it. That will reduce the pressure but allow the motor stress free and cool running operation. Also I would consider a longer length of smaller chain that large diameter of chain links is giving to much rounded surface for the wheat seed pod to graze off of. See if you can find a smaller and possibly squared wired link chain and if not maybe find the squared wire and make your own chain. That may lead you full circle back to weed eater lines that are heavier and square cut but don't give up. Might even be worth a try to use the square wire or trimmer string but in a manor like a woven ladder section 1 inch wide with 1 inch rungs, the only way to find out is to try and try again. The task your trying to accomplish is centuries old and if you conquer it with even 70% efficiency I would consider that a great win. Keep the smalls content around the homestead rolling, it is very intriguing and educational.
One of the "explanations" for large wheat enterprises to use Round-Up, is that is dries the wheat quickly to avoid a severe mold-type problem that can be serious. So my question is : Is your wheat dry? Can anyone explain that issue with dampness affecting the quality of wheat? Thank you.
diane hall I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today
@@MrTGleaner
Do you have video of it in action?
Looked into growing my own wheat. I believe it was from University of Iowa, average consumption of wheat in America is 1/4 acre. So I changed course and stared looking at the best place to purchase non-GMO berries. Now on to the grinders.
Joey Hardin I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today
@@MrTGleaner I am sure it would go over. I live on a half acre so not too feasible for me. Added value would 3 point hitch for a seed drill and/or tiller. I live in central KY and some of the farms here are really chopped up, making yours worth the money. Makers Mark was looking for farmers local to grow corn for them. Two farmers here, tore down the fences between them for more space to get the big combines in and be able to maneuver. Blessings on the adventure.
There r small combines built for universities for test plots?
Hi SSLFamilyDad,
I need to purchase Whole (Hull Intact) wheat seed, can you or anyone in the group help?
I wasn't able to find it anywhere online and was thinking of getting from people growing wheat themselves.
I am in Houston, TX.
Thanks for your help!
If you google seed separator plans there will be a zigzag style separator that works with a shop vac..they are easy to build and work great..use them for cannabis/hemp seeds...another alt. If u are looking for a cheaper way..use a hairdryer in a 5 gallon bucket..u should be able to blow all the lighter stuff out if u work the bucket in different angles with a hair dryer..I’ve used that method with cannabis/hemp seeds as well...cleaned large plants and separated 1000s of seeds with minimal loss..
Buy a cheap food processor at a thrift store and use the pulse button, surprisingly it won't crush the seeds if you're careful, then gently blow chafe away
I wonder if you could splice in a light switch dimmer on the blower to slow the blower speed down. I have done it to a hairdryer successfully.
Today threshing wheat. Tomorrow overthrowing Midianites.
I know it's a good year for planting wheat when my wife gets thesebumps on her head. That's a for sure thing and good crop that year
Hello there. Your wheat berries definitely look really small. I am not sure why though. This would make it much more difficult to harvest for sure. I am so glad that you are at least trying your hand at growing wheat and I hope that you continue in the future. Best of luck to you man.
Try designing it in a horizontal barrel instead much like a modern combine. The wheat heads will be repeatedly pulled back down by gravity. Then put small holes in the bottom that are the size of the average kernel. Have an adjustable air source blow across the material that is falling out the bottom to separate the kernels from the lighter chaff.
I've operated several combines, they are amazing machines that have more adjustment than you can imagine and result in fantastic results at even unbelievable volumes /speeds.
Take a look at the design in the big machines such as the John deere bullet rotor.
It is a fairly simple concept and I'm excited to see what you come up with!!!
I've always figured my best bet at a small wheat field would be to use an antique thrasher. Cool/fun to use and effective.
Good luck!
This is probably the best advice I have gotten so far and makes complete sense. Maybe I will try again with a new design like this, thanks!
Very nice besides blowing air in should suck air throw it
Don't really get the setup, and how will this work with the rice from the rice field?
I done some in a cement mixer with seived gravel, worked a treat, then seive the results,, to seperate the gravel,,,,,,,
you might try some "triumph 64 wheat" it is one of the first varieties of hard red winter wheat still available many places is also a tall wheat that is good for pasture forage in the oklahoma historical society ( notes www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=EA003) it says it it was a hybidized wheat but it is actually a variety via cross breeding.
I didn't know there was such a thing as bearded wheat, To me that looks like barley. One learns every day :-D
I thought the very same thing!
I like the way you approach a chore, how can I do it with what I have? I did some experimenting with wheat a few years ago and had some pretty good results by laying out a big tarp and smacking the seed heads and stalks on a fire pit grill. Then I scooped up the dislodged grains in their coverings and rubbed them over a 1/8" screen grate. I then scooped all that up and put it in a large bowl and held it in front of a fan while I fluffed and stirred. I had to wear gloves to do this because my hands were getting raw, but it worked and really didn't take that long. I love experimenting... I working on proving the effectiveness of oven canning right now (taught by some Amish and been doing it for years but there is no actual data on internal temps achieved, etc.)
I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today.
Vintage Farmer- Yes, I feel it is worth looking into. We are a 4th generation New Hampshire farm family. My father-in-law started a dairy in 1952. After his passing, my brother-in-law switched to grass fed beef. Our 350 acre farm produces 7,000 bales a season. Not all of the land are fields. We have a small logging operation as well. As of today, less than 1% represent family run farms in the USA. In 1935 that number was 40%. Of that 1%, too many of us are over 60. I teach sustainability and small farmsteading when time allows. It is my hope that these challenging times will motivate and encourage people to learn homesteading for a quality life that puts healthy foods on the table. No pesticides.
We have hay customers showing up in our fields to take the hay right off our hay wagons! They want organic or all-natural fields. Our methods don't go much beyond 1950s. Half the equipment dates back to the 1940s and works fine with, proper maintenance.
Put screen over the vent holes? Longer chain?
We planted red fife wheat and it grew well and was easy to separate. I did most of it by hand and used a house fan as a blower. Just pour out the wheat into another bowl while the fan blows on it. Ended up with only a few cups of wheat, which in the end made it not really worth all the work.
Good to know!
I might sound stupid, but isn't growing wheat in America illegal? That's what I've always heard.
Because if it isn't, it's going to be an addition to my homestead!
I've thrashed rye similar to how you have done with good results. The number one thing I've done different is that the thrashing bucket has just the one hole in the top. No more holes that where the shaft goes. Same chain and threaded rod. I did use smaller chain than what you used and yes it goes to the sides. I then drop the seed in front of a fan to winnow the seed. I think the main trouble you are having is that you may not have enough seed heads, seed heads to small (incomplete growth), or the chain that you are using is to big and beating the heads har enough. Cereal grains can take a beating and some can be a bugger to break out. You're on the right track but I'd have done the process differently. Good luck next year. Try rye it's a great cover crop and will yield well. Not to everyone's liking for bread though. Thanks for showing your trials and errors too not everything can be perfect.
ed sautter I invented a small self propelled combine the size of a atv. It come with a 6 foot header for grain an a one row corn header. Probably cost around 8 to 10 grand so much cheeper the the half a million you would need to buy one today. I am looking into maybe starting a equipment manufacturing company in the future for small acer farms that want to grow grain and root crop. Give me your thoughts, do you guys think there might be a market for a ATV size self propelled combine today
You would have been much better off modifying a kitchen blender, change up the chopper to a thresher and you could cover plenty of ground...
Interesting
You are trying to do 2 things at once. Thresh first then willow. If you separate the wheat out first then use the blower to separate the chaff. Because the wheat is so light doing both at once is very hard. Just curious what is the point in growing wheat? You would have to grow so much to have enough to use.
I guess with the goal of being sustainable we need to figure out how to grow wheat as we use it for making bread, tortillas, etc.
@@SSLFamilyDad I want to be sustainable too but it takes about 16 sq ft to grow enough wheat to make a loaf of bread if you get 50 bushels per acre. I can grow other things on the same land that's more worthwhile that's all.
This guy looks like he has a good process that you may be able to adjust for your situation. At 5:55 he uses a food processor with a blade to break open the seed heads -- th-cam.com/video/ExJ1-nQeZ68/w-d-xo.html
Have ur straw for bedding, that needs to be yellow and to the point u can only dent the kernels with ur thumbnail before u cut it
Ahhh k noticed Your round cutter is going backwards ummmm interesting 😮
Check out the way native American Indians harvest their wheat. Might give you some inspiration 🙂
Try a food processor
Try Farmhack.org. DIY thresher and winnower.
Wheat Threshing and Winnowing by Hand th-cam.com/video/KjLCqahK2XY/w-d-xo.html or shredder th-cam.com/video/xMa7I28uFyQ/w-d-xo.html
Be careful!!!!!
0:08 Lol at the accent: "the hard part about growing your own weed" :-)
Here’s a tip for growing wheat if you want to increase your yield, I know you had trouble with weeds last season, so what I recommend is before you plant water the ground a couple days to get weeds to come up, do a burn down application of an herbicide to kill the weeds, put down a pre emergent listed for use in wheat, then if you have weeds 2,4,D is approved for application in wheat but do not apply in the fall for winter wheat as it will cause significant yield loss, also don’t forget to fertilize. I know you would like to stay organic but if you would like to get exceptional yields organic is not the way, it creates more harm to the environment, i.e more land for more yield, less yield per hectare, higher carbon dioxide due to more land being worked with tractors and whatnot. Not trying to start an argument, just food for thought, try something new see how it works, organic isn’t always the best method. I am currently a studying agriculture at a university, so I am by no means making information up, just took a course in small grains.
I understand, I guess that is the tride and true way that every other farmer does it and what they would teach at Michigan State as well. Not arguing either, but I would rather learn new methods and produce healthier food with trial and error than to pick up the herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer/ methods. One of the main reasons we move out here with a goal to grow our own food was the commercial system of food production, in my opinion, is the reason for much of the health issues in this country.
SSLFamilyDad I see where you are coming from, you have a certain view on something and stick with it, as you should.
Using chemicals totally defeats the purpose of raising your own healthy foods. The herbicides you mention are THE main problem that most of us are trying to avoid.
Suzi Scholtz I do not want to argue or start an argument, but the reason most people get sick is because they don’t use proper PPE, most if not all common household cleaners + organic fertilizers can cause cancer if you don’t use proper protection. It’s not the just chemical it’s how you use it and weather you follow the label or not and follow how you’re supposed to use it, and most people do not and then get sick and blame the chemical companies. Again educating not trying to argue or start any type of argument.
@@Homegardener55 I too, wish to enlighten and educate. I am sensitive to many agricultural chemicals, as well as many used in common household and cosmetic ingredients. I have educated myself and I understand that there are protocols to follow according to the manufacturer, but those manufacturers have been known to hide unfavorable tests of their products, and effects on the land and the general population. We must agree to disagree on the "safety" of agricultural chemicals. I strive to be chemical minimal and grow my own organic foods and support organic, sustainable growers.
I hate you tube content that discusses what doesn’t work. I want ideas that bring solutions.
try using a blender
Running a test batch on video is not the purpose of youtube .
There’s nothing that duct tape can’t be used for lol
I really thought you were going to use the Bible verse Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” thank you for another great video until next time, God bless.
Great verse!
hmm.... I wonder how the Amish solve this problem...
They grew more modern types of wheat I believe. I think that was the main issue here, I need a really heavy duty threshing device