As a teenager, I had a saw sharpening business in NW Arkansas. I don't remember ever sharpening a crosscut saw but did lots of handsaws and circular saws on a Foley handsaw machine and a Belsaw circular saw grinder. Having used a crosscut since then, I can appreciate the skill level and knowledge required for a smooth, quick cutting saw.
Great video. The sawyers manual that was referred to was a godsend and enabled me to learn the process. Swayging the rakers was probably the scariest, but once you figure it out, there is a rythem to it. Since I learned, I have found several very in-depth videos that have confirmed my ability.
I enjoyed this very much. It has been 25+ years since I last stood in front of a saw vise, not to mention running a misery whip. It brought back a lot of memories. It seems I have forgot as much as I thought. FYI...Back in the day saw blanks were rolled out( as opposed to modern blanks being stamped out) so the spines could be a thinner gauge than the teeth and rakers. The thinner spines aided in less binding. A well oiled wooden scabbard to cover the teeth and rakers will help prevent damage (leave enough play so as not to remove the "set"), We always used old small fire hose slit open with several ties to cover the teeth and rakers. One last tip from an old wilderness tech, Always carry your tools on the down hill side of the trail. Happy chopping.
@@ChopWithChris , I am no expert. I stored all that info in a bin marked useful in my brain when I left Alaska. I am semi retired in my home state of Kentucky (not far from Mr. Chickadee, incidentally). I have done many things over the years. In the 80's I was a trail boss for the USFS in S.E. Alaska on Misty Fiords N.M. (No power tools allowed). Your video had a key that opened that bin. Your saw, by the way, is multi-purpose. It is generally considered a "Buck Saw", but can be used as a "Feller" for smaller diameter trees. Old tools and especially the "SAWS" are a dyeing art. Even the terms and language are all but forgotten... Sawyers, Fellers, Buckers, Chokers and Swampers are a few. You could spend a life time researching the history of saws and still be left with questions. Thanx again for the memories.
Thank for the guidance. I just bought my first, and now have realized,(as with axes), there’s more to it than just having one. Mr. Chickadee you are a national treasure! Thanks for putting this together. Liked and subscribed.!
I’ve watched josh stuff on utube he’s amazing it wonderful to see someone with old time skills and knowledge it makes you stand back and really appreciate how tough those men out of the past were
I found an old saw like this at a garage sale for 20 bucks. It didn't have a handle with it and I don't have the skill to make one, but you showed me how to get the rust off and sharpen it, so thanks for that, much appreciated.
It was great to hear Mt chickadee talking! Great to hear that heavy pitting isn't a major problem as I picked one up that has pitting. Subscribed to you both!
@@andywenner4807 I've found one of those two man saws, in an old barn under the roof, very old rusted, but never used, (new but forgotten ) I tried it like it was it cuts well for its condition , I did the cutting alone (one man) , great exercise
AWESOME video! I have one of them setting tools, & an old crosscut saw. I had often wondered what that funny looking tool was that they threw in when I bought said saw was for! Now I know not only what it's for, but also how to use er.
Always enjoy watching people work with traditional tools and your finished products are beautiful. Now that you've filed some saws, try putting steeper bevels on the cutters and the saw will be faster. You're the filer, so you can file it to maximize efficiency and tune it up at your leisure. I didn't see how you finished the rakers, but there are some precise gauges like the Anderson that will turn your noodles into spaghetti. Keep your eyes out for an Atkins 390. Filed right it's a rocket saw in hardwood and softwood.
I wish we were neighbors so we could share tools. I've got four of my grandfathers old saws that I am slowly reconditioning but it does take some time to put together all the stuff one needs for the work doesn't it!
When they're not lookin', test a tooth, see if it breaks or not...(19:01)! Also, Paul Sellers suggests laying the saw on a softwood board, and tapping every other tooth into the wood; seems this method lends consistency. I've had to do this cuz I didn't know about all these nifty tools for consistency. I inherited a 5/8" rat-tail file, which was good for the cleaning of the gullets.
Great information! I just came across two saws recently that need restoration. Both are two man, one is 60" and the other 72". Both are the same tooth/raker configuration as your saw. Does that make it a hard wood or soft wood saw? Or does it matter? One is pretty worn from the gullets not being maintained. I wouldn't know that without watching this, thanks!
This is awesome! I just bought a ~3' that's sure to need TLC, so this is really helpful. Bonus is seeing his sawbuck design -- I just broke mine and haven't really totally happy with it anyway. How long did the cut at the end take? I'm happy long repetitive processes are abbreviated, but I wish there was an on-screen timer to show long much time has elapsed, to be able to set my expectations. Otherwise, I find myself wondering if I've done the sharpening or whatever properly if it takes too long.
It's funny that Mr Chickadee doesn't talk in his videos, because he's a skilled teacher. To my eye he seems to be a trained facilitator. Leadership position.
I am normally an axe guy but have branched into crosscut saw restoration. I must say, there is much satisfaction in cleaning up those rusty old sharks and giving them their teeth back.
Cu respect va salut.. la secunda 28 chiar sunteţi "gemeni". Sunt bucuros ca v-am întâlnit, "AICI, PE AMANDOI" Say hi to you bouth, 28' th second you're really "twins". I'm so happy 'couse I met you, "here, bouth'em"🙏
Pretty good video on basic sharpening. One step that is normally done was missed. When swaging the rakers they should be hammer swaged to about 0.003" to 0.004" higher then final height. Then the last step is to file the final 0.003" to 0.004" down to get a razer sharp edge at the correct shape. For more details on raker fitting and sharpening see: pbase.com/jimthode/raker_swaging For more online Crosscut Saw Sharpening References see: www.bchw.org/Tech%20tips/Crosscut%20Sharpening.htm
The only saws I know of that are tapered are not big cross cut saws but hand saws made by a company called Silky saws. I use the all the time for pruning trees.
1:35 using aluminum flashing as a diy soaking pan for saws is one of those facepalm moments. I have been wracking my brain on how to make this so as not to have to use gallons of Evaporust to submerge the saw plate. Thanks Chris!
How can I identify my 2 man 72" bucking saw a double perforated elliptical pattern? Wormy chestnut handles but to rusty to see blade stamp...any suggestions or thoughts?
Hello ... I'm from Italy ... I have three saws for wood and I don't know how to restore them since they have rust and above all dents ... Could you give me some advice how to remove the dents ... HELP
Why not take the time and temper the new saw before starting? This way you absolutely know it will be soft enough to sharpen and hard enough to cut. If you know it is a saw you tempered, then you could just start sharpening.
The Texas comes out with his "L" in Saw, though his is far milder than April Wilkerson's Also the link for the PDF is here: www.fs.fed.us/eng/pubs/pdfpubs/pdf77712508/pdf77712508dpi72.pdf
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Thanks Chris, and also Josh; always a pleasure to learn from experienced, respectful and informative folks.
You are most welcome!
Mr Chickadee is both a real artist with the saw, and a very good teacher. Thanks.
Absolutely!
As a teenager, I had a saw sharpening business in NW Arkansas. I don't remember ever sharpening a crosscut saw but did lots of handsaws and circular saws on a Foley handsaw machine and a Belsaw circular saw grinder. Having used a crosscut since then, I can appreciate the skill level and knowledge required for a smooth, quick cutting saw.
Thanks!
Cant beat those Quality 100 year old Saws👍 no Gas/ no fumes / light weight! Great Video 🇺🇸
You got that right!
Best explanation of the sharpening process on the internet. And we get to hear Mr Chickadee for the very first time!
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Great video. The sawyers manual that was referred to was a godsend and enabled me to learn the process. Swayging the rakers was probably the scariest, but once you figure it out, there is a rythem to it. Since I learned, I have found several very in-depth videos that have confirmed my ability.
Glad you enjoyed it.
I enjoyed this very much. It has been 25+ years since I last stood in front of a saw vise, not to mention running a misery whip. It brought back a lot of memories. It seems I have forgot as much as I thought. FYI...Back in the day saw blanks were rolled out( as opposed to modern blanks being stamped out) so the spines could be a thinner gauge than the teeth and rakers. The thinner spines aided in less binding. A well oiled wooden scabbard to cover the teeth and rakers will help prevent damage (leave enough play so as not to remove the "set"), We always used old small fire hose slit open with several ties to cover the teeth and rakers. One last tip from an old wilderness tech, Always carry your tools on the down hill side of the trail. Happy chopping.
Thanks so much! Spoken from a true expert!
@@ChopWithChris , I am no expert. I stored all that info in a bin marked useful in my brain when I left Alaska. I am semi retired in my home state of Kentucky (not far from Mr. Chickadee, incidentally). I have done many things over the years. In the 80's I was a trail boss for the USFS in S.E. Alaska on Misty Fiords N.M. (No power tools allowed). Your video had a key that opened that bin. Your saw, by the way, is multi-purpose. It is generally considered a "Buck Saw", but can be used as a "Feller" for smaller diameter trees. Old tools and especially the "SAWS" are a dyeing art. Even the terms and language are all but forgotten... Sawyers, Fellers, Buckers, Chokers and Swampers are a few. You could spend a life time researching the history of saws and still be left with questions.
Thanx again for the memories.
Jamie Minton Thanks so much for your comment! Take care.
Thank for the guidance. I just bought my first, and now have realized,(as with axes), there’s more to it than just having one. Mr. Chickadee you are a national treasure! Thanks for putting this together. Liked and subscribed.!
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Subscribe to mr chickadee too!
Everything that was demonstrated here also applies to smaller hand saws. Very nice presentation!
Thank you!
We are glad that you two are working together. 👍
Thanks
I have one very similar that has been waiting for my attention for a couple of years, this video may give me motivation. Thanks for sharing.
Good luck!
I’ve watched josh stuff on utube he’s amazing it wonderful to see someone with old time skills and knowledge it makes you stand back and really appreciate how tough those men out of the past were
No doubt!
I found an old saw like this at a garage sale for 20 bucks. It didn't have a handle with it and I don't have the skill to make one, but you showed me how to get the rust off and sharpen it, so thanks for that, much appreciated.
Thanks and good luck!!
It was great to hear Mt chickadee talking! Great to hear that heavy pitting isn't a major problem as I picked one up that has pitting. Subscribed to you both!
Thanks!
Good to see you both together....
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It is nice to watch and listen inteligent people 🙂
Thanks!
Bought two 2-man saws today.
Very excited.
Thank you guys for your videos.
Wow!! Good luck!
My grandpa taught me to 'pull only' dont push, when using a two man saw.....When you are doing it right the saw will sing....great memories.
@@andywenner4807 I've found one of those two man saws, in an old barn under the roof, very old rusted, but never used, (new but forgotten ) I tried it like it was it cuts well for its condition , I did the cutting alone (one man) , great exercise
Fantastic video!
Thanks!
AWESOME video! I have one of them setting tools, & an old crosscut saw. I had often wondered what that funny looking tool was that they threw in when I bought said saw was for! Now I know not only what it's for, but also how to use er.
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Great memories of cutting logs at my grandpa's house with a two man saw...man we used to get that saw to sing.
Was it truly a “misery whip”?
Great job guys and thank you for the lesson on tuning and sharpening a saw. I had never seen this and Enjoyed the video.
Thanks!
Always enjoy watching people work with traditional tools and your finished products are beautiful. Now that you've filed some saws, try putting steeper bevels on the cutters and the saw will be faster. You're the filer, so you can file it to maximize efficiency and tune it up at your leisure. I didn't see how you finished the rakers, but there are some precise gauges like the Anderson that will turn your noodles into spaghetti. Keep your eyes out for an Atkins 390. Filed right it's a rocket saw in hardwood and softwood.
Thanks! I have so much still to learn!
Man, you just made my life 1,000 times easier. I've got three of my grandad's felling crosscuts that need de-rusting. Bend a tank. Genius.
Great! Have fun!
@@ChopWithChris I will. Did the others with an axe stone and WD 40, LOL.
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I wish we were neighbors so we could share tools. I've got four of my grandfathers old saws that I am slowly reconditioning but it does take some time to put together all the stuff one needs for the work doesn't it!
I restored one me too (watching my vidéos) mine is smaller. I like use it, good cut and 0 carbone!
Good thing to show the sharpening
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Now that's good information, thanks for sharing.
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Great restore, have had good results hand rubbing bees wax on any wood after oil has dried.
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When they're not lookin', test a tooth, see if it breaks or not...(19:01)! Also, Paul Sellers suggests laying the saw on a softwood board, and tapping every other tooth into the wood; seems this method lends consistency. I've had to do this cuz I didn't know about all these nifty tools for consistency. I inherited a 5/8" rat-tail file, which was good for the cleaning of the gullets.
Thanks for the feedback!
Good stuff! Great info, thanks!
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Great video with two woodworking TH-cam legends. What about checking for kinks in the saw?
That’s a good add.
Great tutorial on cross cut saw sharpening it is a mistery to most people why thier saw dose not work right.
Thanks!
Awesome vid...I have 4 that need some attention.👍
Good luck!
Great information! I just came across two saws recently that need restoration. Both are two man, one is 60" and the other 72". Both are the same tooth/raker configuration as your saw. Does that make it a hard wood or soft wood saw? Or does it matter? One is pretty worn from the gullets not being maintained. I wouldn't know that without watching this, thanks!
Softwood. Having said that, it will also cut hardwood just fine.
damn he makes it look easy, it did however encourage me to try it!
For sure it was not easy 😄! Good luck!
This is awesome! I just bought a ~3' that's sure to need TLC, so this is really helpful. Bonus is seeing his sawbuck design -- I just broke mine and haven't really totally happy with it anyway.
How long did the cut at the end take? I'm happy long repetitive processes are abbreviated, but I wish there was an on-screen timer to show long much time has elapsed, to be able to set my expectations. Otherwise, I find myself wondering if I've done the sharpening or whatever properly if it takes too long.
About 15 minutes.
So strange hearing Josh talk. Nice job fellas.
Thanks.
It's funny that Mr Chickadee doesn't talk in his videos, because he's a skilled teacher. To my eye he seems to be a trained facilitator. Leadership position.
He’s amazing no doubt!
He speaks!!!!!
Yep and I have a full interview with him on my channel.
Actually you can thank Mr Chickadee found you thanks to him. Subbed to your channel
Welcome! I will.
Need to find that top handel for my restoration!!
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I am normally an axe guy but have branched into crosscut saw restoration. I must say, there is much satisfaction in cleaning up those rusty old sharks and giving them their teeth back.
No doubt!
Wish you would have done a before and after on the same log so we could get a measure of the difference in efficiency
Agree. Massively more efficient!
ca c est de l affutage bravo
Merci!
Cu respect va salut.. la secunda 28 chiar sunteţi "gemeni". Sunt bucuros ca v-am întâlnit, "AICI, PE AMANDOI"
Say hi to you bouth, 28' th second you're really "twins". I'm so happy 'couse I met you, "here, bouth'em"🙏
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thank you
:)
It's so cool to think that my two hundred year old house was probably cut down with one of these
Absolutely!
Cool video
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Pretty good video on basic sharpening. One step that is normally done was missed. When swaging the rakers they should be hammer swaged to about 0.003" to 0.004" higher then final height. Then the last step is to file the final 0.003" to 0.004" down to get a razer sharp edge at the correct shape.
For more details on raker fitting and sharpening see: pbase.com/jimthode/raker_swaging
For more online Crosscut Saw Sharpening References see: www.bchw.org/Tech%20tips/Crosscut%20Sharpening.htm
Thanks!
Good nice 👍👍👍👍
Thanks
Is that a Superior Warenteed?
Can’t see. The mark is gone.
That’s the first time I ever heard His Voice
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The only saws I know of that are tapered are not big cross cut saws but hand saws made by a company called Silky saws. I use the all the time for pruning trees.
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1:35 using aluminum flashing as a diy soaking pan for saws is one of those facepalm moments. I have been wracking my brain on how to make this so as not to have to use gallons of Evaporust to submerge the saw plate. Thanks Chris!
Yep. Its a cheap way to make just about any size pan. Good luck!
cool saw🔥
Thanks
How can I identify my 2 man 72" bucking saw a double perforated elliptical pattern? Wormy chestnut handles but to rusty to see blade stamp...any suggestions or thoughts?
Many times I have wire brushed saws to expose the stamp.
@@ChopWithChris ty sir I'll try it now
@@ChopWithChris do you have email?
chopwithchris@gmail.com
What oil do you use for the wood?
Watch Danish Oil - Natural Color
What is the make and model of the crosscut saw in this video please?
It’s a 4 foot blade Disston Lancetooth Crosscut Saw
Good video! Thanks Chris!
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After sharpening a crosscut saw once, you'll appreciate why you should remove the bark before cutting, to minimise blunting the teeth.
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Hello ... I'm from Italy ... I have three saws for wood and I don't know how to restore them since they have rust and above all dents ... Could you give me some advice how to remove the dents ... HELP
Possibly pound them out with a brass hammer.
@@ChopWithChris thank you Chris
How come he didn’t use the raker gauge to file down the rakers? Every other video shows them doing that
We did. I thought that was in the video. P
(a decimal error; 12 thousands of a inch is 0.3mm, not 0.03mm)
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I think your next project is to restore that car in the background in your thumbnail
For sure!
@:55, does this saw have split screws..??............................
Yes
@@ChopWithChris do you use some kind of split screwdriver..??.............................
Just a regular screwdriver
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:)
Hear some old timers used lard or beef dripping to lubricate thier saws
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Why not take the time and temper the new saw before starting? This way you absolutely know it will be soft enough to sharpen and hard enough to cut. If you know it is a saw you tempered, then you could just start sharpening.
Good point
Lending a chainsaw now days is bad enough. I can’t imagine how many friends were lost with cross cut saw abuse back in the day.
No doubt! 😄👍🏻
The Texas comes out with his "L" in Saw, though his is far milder than April Wilkerson's
Also the link for the PDF is here: www.fs.fed.us/eng/pubs/pdfpubs/pdf77712508/pdf77712508dpi72.pdf
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Я один 25 минут смотрел, как точат пилу?:)
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Я до конца досмотрел . Так понял, одиночный зуб работает как рубанок.
还有更长二人拉式，，，。
是。 我有四个！
Now restore the rear end of that car
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If you want to SHOW us something, why HIDE it playing at insane speed?
I tried to mix normal and high speed to keep it from being too long.
对吧，建歌舞臺後，臉抽緒，什麼都忘了，，，??。
但，，，為什麼很多丫媽臉也抽緒了，，，??，是個迷团??。
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16:05 twelve thousandths of an inch ~ 0.3 mm not 0.03 mm, see your fingernail.
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But you never bothered to figure out how to fix up that busted Honda Accord
Metal ain’t my thing...but it is ironic for sure.