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- Combo or Separate?Sherwood Machines:www.timbecon.c... 10in Lift-Up Combination Planer www.timbecon.c...
Are you ready to rumble?Have you ever wondered which you should buy - a combo planer or separate machines? Do you buy a jointer AND a thicknesser? Well, watch as John Madden and Jake Russell duke it out in this video. What conclusion do they come to? Watch and see!
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This is why content creators like to stress "not sponsored". All the obvious arguments were made, but the most important question wasnt addressed (at least by the time I got fed up sitting through a sales pitch) and frankly should have been the first point: is there a difference in accuracy & cut performance between the combo vs stand-alones? Is one better than the other on this fundamental point? Once establishing that, the buyer can then evaluate the pros-and-cons (i.e., set up time to make cuts vs space savings).
You did cover off some good points especially things like the length of the bed on combo vs discrete. However I would think the biggest point to be made here would be cost? A hobbyist might find that the combo has a big advantage here but the production shop would likely look at it the other way and say that the increased man hours and interruption of work flow makes a case for the discrete units. I personally think that the main reason for using a combo is floor space, rollers or no rollers it makes big difference to a small shop floor space. Cheers John
I have used both once you are familiar with the change over it only takes a few minutes.
Unless you have two people one wanting to use the jointer the other the plainer there is little/no advantage to having two machines.
Everybody wants more space the combination machine gives you more space
Sorry Jake, John won that one only because I don't have the room for two machines
I have a JPP-12HH" (helical head) combo jointer planer and it works great and it's quick and easy to switch between the two functions. I had a separate jointer and planer but to step up to a 12'" jointer and a 12" planer would have cost more with same HP with helical heads. No regrets and being that the JJP-12HH is very compact, I have more room for other equipment like a drum sander I'm looking to buy. So there!
Separate machines for me. We all know that whoever dies with the most tools wins :)
What about price?
This would be a very contributing factor for a lot of wood workers.
All depends on model, but price isn't really a factor as for the price of the cheapest combo you could buy 2 jointers and two thicknessers.
@@steeleanderson1172 if you were to buy 1x 300mm thicknesser and 1x 300mm jointer.
Need to compare apples with apples, of sorts
@@steeleanderson1172
$3300 for combo machine with spiral head
$4300 for jointer with spiral head
$1150 thicknesser with spiral head
All 300mm
Can get at 200mm jointer with spiral head for $2900.
Anyone who has the room will 9 out of 10 times opt for the stand alone gear, (and the money) I would have thought that was a given,
just as if you're in a small work space the dual machines are a no brainer, having a dual machine is better than having only one stand alone.
I think having to deal with a minute or two of setting the dual machine from one to the other far outweighs not having any machine at all!
Good going, fellas. 👍🏽
Good point Bill..!
I’ve probably run thousands of meters of Vic Ash and Tassie Oak through my 250mm combo. It ain’t stupid if it works, and it works brilliantly. If there’s ever a downside it’s realising you need to mill up more timber to match what you’ve done. You will need to readjust your thicknesser setting because to flip the dust port you need to wind the bed down out of the way. I put a Wixey on my thicknesser though so it only takes a few more seconds to mill it the same as your other stock.
Both John and Jake you made valid points. Jake a question I have regarding your major pro point of table length is.... there is only 160mm difference in table length between the 8” planer and 16” combo so can you tell me is the additional length on the infeed or outfeed side, or is it split between the 2 sides?
I go for stand alone, that's what I have & always used. Sometimes you might be thicknessing a batch & realise that you forget to surface plane a piece or two, what a night mare that would be on a combo machine. Also the the thicknesser is wider on the stand alone, mine is 500mm wide.
THey did not bring up price. If you spend the same amount on the dual fuction machine as you do on both single function machines you get an amazing dual function.
I would like a demo. Machines vs machines measuring time and results.
Hmmm good suggestion Steve.. I'll chat to Jake..
Team Jake on this one, the Euro guard is bull dust because you ain’t keeping pressure down over the cutter head. Personally not a fan of flipping things around but in a smaller workshop it helps heaps.
You can slide the Euro guard sideways as well to achieve that .. and set to whatever width the material is..
@@johnmadden2256 it’s still a silly setup John, I see the American flip aside guard so much superior to the one on the video
@@sumosprojects owning that exact combo machine I can say the guard isn't an issue. Either push it aside like others suggest or as the piece passes under the guard just apply pressure to the top of the guard which will hold the work piece down for you with no chance of your fingers accidentally hitting the blades.
What about the price aspect of it??
Don’t think I knew combination machines were a thing so thanks. Would have liked a demo - maybe for the Tiny Workshop on Thursday nights?
Done ! stayed tuned..
Good debate, but you haven't sold me on the combo John. Yep space saving, but looks too fiddly! Also wouldn't the wide heads cost a lot more to replace the cutters? Maybe seeing it in action would change my mind.
Once you get used to it .. its really no problem.. you just have to think ahead a bit..
Team Jake for the Win - Long bed 8" jointer + Dewalt DW735 on planer cart = Plenty of versatility
Nice rig..
Team Jake won this round..
Yeah right..
What a waste of time - please demonstrate what you are talking about
Only fool's run combo's. It's a hack
Machine for hacks.