Whats great is italian commentary that gives detailed explanations on sabre , its tactics, concept of ROW for viewers who don’t usually follow fencing, comparisons with other fencers, either disciplines, subtle ideas on tactics that each uses. English commentators are uniformly awful even today.
Old fencing clips are so wild. Most other sports the basics of the sport are the same with just minor rule changes and new techniques coming in as you move towards the present day Fencing clips almost need to come with a 50 page manual explaining the specific ins and outs of the rules, refereeing calls and what exactly it meant for tactics as it was in that specific window of time. At times it's like watching a different sport
Wow, I was there. It's great to see the video after so many years. What a drama... Pozdniakov got completely mad after the match. For the record: the stands behind the referee were not completely empty :-)
0:46 "At the time a light indicated who had been hit, not who had hit" Wow, I didn't know they changed such a thing. It must have been a bit confusing for the ones who lived it in person back then ahah
Some world championships get good crowds. 2001 in Nîmes was good: th-cam.com/video/T2GWY5EwDIQ/w-d-xo.html Budapest 2019 also had a very good crowd. I'm not expecting so much for Cairo 2022 but Milan 2023 should be good.
@@Dancingtuna in Russia we have adages which tell us: 'in every joke there is a part of a joke' or 'in every truth there is a part of a truth' and they are somewhat connected, hard to describe it, but it suits here - described situation is true, yet hard to tell.
At least they'd thankfully gotten rid of that rule where going off the back of the strip just reset it instead of giving a point away. Oh and sprinting at each other. That one's kinda a biggie.
Biggest difference to today: Becker is reading him continuously to the point that Pozdnyakov is afraid to attack😂. Cherry on the cake: he leaves up the point in line to drive him mad😂 Would be a MUST to see for todays kids!!
Am I refereeing wrong or misidentifying the action on some of these? At least 2 point in lines points given, Becker seemed to break line by withdrawing his arm and/or then moving to a cut and Pozdniakov attacked when that line was broken. Isn't that attack from the right no, attack left?
@SlicerSabre I'm sure you've done a video on this change, no? Edit: Otherwise, from my VERY limited (and probably mis)understanding, it was the wonderful overlords over at FIE at the time who decided to ban the forward crossover (back foot crossing ahead of the front foot). Why? From what I've seen and read (online), it was because fencers were basically running at their opponent as a way to establish priority/ROW (and how priority was established sometimes back in the day was WEIRD). I think it got worse when sabre become electrified in the 90's, as we got a LOT of simultaneous calls. It made sabre look kinda dull (because this was basically what sabre fencers did off of the line... if you look at the videos in the YT page listed in the info, you'll see that this seemed to be the norm... look for the videos with "sciabola" in it... sciabola = sabre in Italian), and the FIE wasn't having that... so they banned the forward crossover... which (unintentionally) banned the fleche. There were likely so really bad collisions too, as a coach once told me. Edit 2: It should be noted that banning the crossover did NOT solve the problem of simultaneous actions. AND fencers STILL charged each other from the en garde line. Just FIE being FIE.
Saber used fleches so extensively that it became like "House of Flying Daggers." From the "Alle!" we'd launch ourselves at each other and the action was so long and fast that it was almost impossible for directors to see what was going on, particularly when the fencers passed each other and went off the strip. On top of that, he who fleched first usually got the touch, so there could be dozens of simultaneous attacks, and it was like Epee on crack. First they tried to clear it up with coin tosses, then priority calls, and finally they just got rid of the fleche completely. (I'm an old guy).
@@Braindazzled I think they should have given right of way to the person who can enter the Naruto-Run position the fastest after running past their opponent.
@@chukuemekaoje1015 No you got it pretty much down pat. The only thing you missed was the extra silliness of some FIE people trying to justify it by saying that banning crossovers was meant to evoke sabre's cavalry heritage, where it would have been impossible to fleche on horseback -- never mind that the modern sabre tradition descends from military systems mean to be used on foot from the get-go, and that a well-trained horse is basically a 300kg fleche machine.
@@esgrimaxativa5175 I’m aware it’s correct of his time, but there’s a reason why refs moved past it. Even called fairly I could feel the rage (at least two points had Pozniakov beating the blade, from what I saw, but was called attack-no attack right), and the lack of ability to be able to adjust when line is called like that.
Whats great is italian commentary that gives detailed explanations on sabre , its tactics, concept of ROW for viewers who don’t usually follow fencing, comparisons with other fencers, either disciplines, subtle ideas on tactics that each uses. English commentators are uniformly awful even today.
Is the translation any good
Old fencing clips are so wild. Most other sports the basics of the sport are the same with just minor rule changes and new techniques coming in as you move towards the present day
Fencing clips almost need to come with a 50 page manual explaining the specific ins and outs of the rules, refereeing calls and what exactly it meant for tactics as it was in that specific window of time. At times it's like watching a different sport
Wow, I was there. It's great to see the video after so many years. What a drama... Pozdniakov got completely mad after the match. For the record: the stands behind the referee were not completely empty :-)
0:46 "At the time a light indicated who had been hit, not who had hit"
Wow, I didn't know they changed such a thing. It must have been a bit confusing for the ones who lived it in person back then ahah
Yep...I remember a lot of refs saying "point right....SORRY....left."
It was changed for the 2000 Olympics in Athens.
One season of total chaos when it changed.
@Maitre Mark You're correct. Sydney, not Athens.
@@samsignorelli i still sometimes do that now....
Kinda surprised to see something from the 1994 Rai Tre on Slicer Sabre. That’s cool lmao
And also, back when fencing had Italian Commentary. Last time i’ve heard it was for wuxi 2018
That mask throw at the end lol how times have changed
Not only mask but sword as well 😅
First world championship with no running forward footwork.
And Podzniakov couldn't help it ...
Empty stands at the World Championships. Somethings never change
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Some world championships get good crowds. 2001 in Nîmes was good:
th-cam.com/video/T2GWY5EwDIQ/w-d-xo.html
Budapest 2019 also had a very good crowd. I'm not expecting so much for Cairo 2022 but Milan 2023 should be good.
@@SlicerSabre Oh yah it was just a joke about fencing crowds in general. Turin 2006 and Catania 2011 both got good crowds, so Milan probably will too
@@Dancingtuna in Russia we have adages which tell us: 'in every joke there is a part of a joke' or 'in every truth there is a part of a truth' and they are somewhat connected, hard to describe it, but it suits here - described situation is true, yet hard to tell.
@@SlicerSabre exceptions prove the rule)
maybe this is why felixs been teaching us line for months LOLOL
At least they'd thankfully gotten rid of that rule where going off the back of the strip just reset it instead of giving a point away. Oh and sprinting at each other. That one's kinda a biggie.
Last point was a parry riposte to Pozdnyakov
Biggest difference to today: Becker is reading him continuously to the point that Pozdnyakov is afraid to attack😂. Cherry on the cake: he leaves up the point in line to drive him mad😂
Would be a MUST to see for todays kids!!
So they are dropping their arms but keeping right of way...
This is wrong.
1990s sabre at its finest.
I do think Pozdniakov would still dominate in modern sabre if you put him in his prime in current world cups
He won individual worlds in 2007, obviously he would still crush today.
He was a total original. I reckon he would have adapted and overcome in any era.
Am I refereeing wrong or misidentifying the action on some of these? At least 2 point in lines points given, Becker seemed to break line by withdrawing his arm and/or then moving to a cut and Pozdniakov attacked when that line was broken. Isn't that attack from the right no, attack left?
Refereeing conventions were very different then to how they are now
@@SlicerSabre Pfft....they're very different now to how they were last WEEK!
@@samsignorelli THAT is very right...lol
Wtf is going on.. Poor Pozdnyakov...
Poz could’ve been black carded for throwing his mask. Last touch was correct. Poz’s attempt to beat the blade landed on the guard.
Why Sabre fencing can’t cross the leg?🧐
@SlicerSabre I'm sure you've done a video on this change, no?
Edit: Otherwise, from my VERY limited (and probably mis)understanding, it was the wonderful overlords over at FIE at the time who decided to ban the forward crossover (back foot crossing ahead of the front foot). Why? From what I've seen and read (online), it was because fencers were basically running at their opponent as a way to establish priority/ROW (and how priority was established sometimes back in the day was WEIRD). I think it got worse when sabre become electrified in the 90's, as we got a LOT of simultaneous calls.
It made sabre look kinda dull (because this was basically what sabre fencers did off of the line... if you look at the videos in the YT page listed in the info, you'll see that this seemed to be the norm... look for the videos with "sciabola" in it... sciabola = sabre in Italian), and the FIE wasn't having that... so they banned the forward crossover... which (unintentionally) banned the fleche. There were likely so really bad collisions too, as a coach once told me.
Edit 2: It should be noted that banning the crossover did NOT solve the problem of simultaneous actions. AND fencers STILL charged each other from the en garde line.
Just FIE being FIE.
Saber used fleches so extensively that it became like "House of Flying Daggers." From the "Alle!" we'd launch ourselves at each other and the action was so long and fast that it was almost impossible for directors to see what was going on, particularly when the fencers passed each other and went off the strip. On top of that, he who fleched first usually got the touch, so there could be dozens of simultaneous attacks, and it was like Epee on crack. First they tried to clear it up with coin tosses, then priority calls, and finally they just got rid of the fleche completely.
(I'm an old guy).
imagine a 70kg guy run into a 100kg guy. should've brought weights to fencing?
@@Braindazzled I think they should have given right of way to the person who can enter the Naruto-Run position the fastest after running past their opponent.
@@chukuemekaoje1015 No you got it pretty much down pat. The only thing you missed was the extra silliness of some FIE people trying to justify it by saying that banning crossovers was meant to evoke sabre's cavalry heritage, where it would have been impossible to fleche on horseback -- never mind that the modern sabre tradition descends from military systems mean to be used on foot from the get-go, and that a well-trained horse is basically a 300kg fleche machine.
Its not fencing, its funny
No, today's fencing is 'kind of wild'. :P
Но после этого Поздняков много таких боев выйграл, например финал против Италии!
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wtf is this
bad memories... well ... interesting ones of how sabre fencing was then..... so many many changes to how it is fenced now
It's okay Pozniakov, I'll feel mad on your behalf. Jesus, it may have been a different time but that refereeing is *still* infuriating.
No. that refereeing is of his time and correct. AIP was called along the whole strip and point in lines were allowed larger derobement movements.
@@esgrimaxativa5175 I’m aware it’s correct of his time, but there’s a reason why refs moved past it. Even called fairly I could feel the rage (at least two points had Pozniakov beating the blade, from what I saw, but was called attack-no attack right), and the lack of ability to be able to adjust when line is called like that.
O mygod why u no beat line???
Correct referreeing. He got into his head - the essence!