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Dope detail about the mural at the Firelight Hideout: you can see a lady finishing a new face on the mural, the face of the pink haired girl Jinx killed in Episode 4! Love the tiny details of this show!!
Yeah but Jinx killed like half a dozen Firelights in episode 4, they deserve memorial portraits too. Pink Haired girls get all the love.
Speaking of amazing attention to details... how about the flowers dying by the end of Silco's display of power? Or Jinx humming the song she sung in Ep 1 while crossing that same bridge? Or Marcus' arm being blown off?
These subtle details make me want to watch it over and over to find more.
@@sophroneo6960 She may have been Ekko's love interest or right hand.
Not only was Jinx willing to die, she was willing to go as Powder, playing the game they used to play as kids one last time.
you are aware that it's only ekko who remembers the childhood game they played, right? he remembers how he lost to her and adjust his attack, whereas she follows what she thinks is a winning strategy to kill him.
well, not exactly. when ekko starts swinging the watch back and forth, he's making an offer to play the game they used to play, and when she laughs and turns to the side, she remembers and accepts the offer. ekko uses that time to remember all of her patterns from when they were kids, but because he's grown so much in his skills and physicality, he's able to evade her in a way she wasn't expecting.
but that's the problem -- he couldn't have won if he approached her as jinx. the context is different. she's extraordinarily skilled and he wouldn't have the advantage of knowing her patterns. by reframing this fight through the game they played as kids, he actually had a chance to win, because he knows her and remembers her so well.
the trouble is -- he knows her and remembers her so well, and he sees Powder in her for the first time since they were kids. he could only win that fight by tapping into his childhood memories, but by tapping into those memories, he made himself vulnerable.
and ultimately, it did the same for Powder. if she hadn't been reminded of the game, she could have taken out her rage on ekko without thinking twice. but she accepted the offer and played the game, and for that brief moment, she embodied Powder again. so, when ekko won the game and it became a very real fight, she was in a very vulnerable place, and it showed on her face -- which is what ekko responded so viscerally to. this was the first time she'd been able to tap into a positive childhood memory, but even now, it was twisted -- she lost herself in the game, and detached from the reality of what the fight meant, so when ekko won, that realization hit her hard. she made herself vulnerable too.
and ultimately, I think that final look she gave ekko was her way of acknowledging to him that the pain she'd caused as jinx was an attempt to avoid the pain she felt as powder.
@@EricBridges tl;dr: I disagree. I think ppl read too much into it.
_"well, not exactly. when ekko starts..."_
her turning to the side doesn't necessarily mean she accepts a game or remembers it at all. she possibly giggles in anticipation of the duel, or maybe she does remember and considers herself victorious because she won back in the days, who knows. also it's not a difference in ability that gives him the victory but the tactical choice to do a different move based on what he remembers about the past when he got caught. so this can't be solved.
also while jinx seems jolly in the flashback she seems kinda serious when she starts shooting.
_"but that's the problem..."_
no, he could and did win against jinx. you make the fundamental mistake of thinking that powder and jinx are different people. jinx is a somewhat refined version of powder, she has improved her gadgetry, her mental state is still instable, and her shooting didn't change much. stuff she learned as kid doesn't suddenly become invalid.
I don't see how the "context is different".
_"the trouble is..."_
maybe he remembers her as powder because of her being scared and showing it in that moment of defeat. because as powder she used to be more scared, which as jinx she was less so. I can accept the idea that he hesitates due to her vulnerability showing and reminding him of her as kid.
also there's the point that he had a crush on powder, that's a factor in how well you remember stuff.
_"and ultimately, it did the same for Powder..."_
no, I don't think jinx remembers much of the old game, that's pure speculation on your part. some games we play to gain life skills, e.g. hide and seek. they played a game to hone skills, a "catch me if you can" of sorts.
by doing so they developed patterns how to approach the situation they train for. her repeating the steps doesn't mean she remembers the game. if she laughts at ekko then it might very well be because she think she will smoke him. she didn't lose herself in the game, if she laughs when shooting at stuff then that's because that's her thing, as can be seen in the endscene of the prior episode where vi and jinx fight the firelights.
I might at this point add that the theme of time rewinding is purely an element of ekko's character, ingame he has the ability to rewind time for short amounts, and after the flashback there's a small rewind, which implies that this is tied to ekko, not jinx. if this crucial element wasn't there I might be inclined to accept your suggestion, this way I'd rule it out.
_"and ultimately, I think that final look.."_
I'd interpret this way differently. to me it's more of a "everybody was against me, now I've got nothing left because I lost, there's no sense in living on". if what you said were true I think she would not have tried to take ekko with her.
Jinx changed her name to escape the trauma of her past (or own it), that does not make Jinx and Powder two different people - that is Vi's mistake; she keeps looking for Powder somewhere inside Jinx, trying to change her back, failing to realize that Powder is Jinx - only Time and Trauma has changed her to something different, that doesn't even resemble the person she used to know.
Jinx had just been brutally beaten by her childhood friend, and just before that her beloved sister had turned her back on her (again), not to mention (in Jinx' mind) Vi had just replaced her with Cait. That scene had nothing to do with whether she wanted to be Jinx or Powder, or wanted to die as one or the other - she was just devastated and ready to give up.
“So cool, but so heartbreaking.” Yeah that’s Arcane in a nutshell.
That was indeed the same bridge from episode 1 opening. And Jinx was humming the same song she was singing there too.
do we know for sure it's the same bridge? splitting hairs, but we saw that there was more than one bridge leading from the undercity to the topside, right?
@@jamesliggins891 In episode 6 when the enforcers are shown blocking the bridge u can clearly see there's 2 (at the end of the song ... when the lights are turned ON)
You guys don’t have to apologize. Trying to get a new place is both stressful and time consuming. I’m sorry you guys didn’t get a new place yet, but continue to be patient. Anyway, glad to see you guys back reacting to possibly my favorite TV show ever!!
First of many reactions to Arcane that noticed that Jinx wanted to die too...
Your Emotional Intelligence is of the charts Megs!
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Yes!!! Not many think about it or mention it. Literally Powder took control one last time and decided she had enough. I find it is a super important point for the character.
It’s both sweet and disturbing that she wanted to die with her childhood friend.
"I had a crush, until you started talking to the gun"
One of Ekko's quotes when Jinx is in the enemy team during the game. 🥺
You're one of the only reactors i've seen understand that Silco definitely knew why Vi's back in town. People seem to miss in Episode 6 when she litterally tells her "im gonna find her, and erase whatever fucked up delusions she put in her head". There was no talk about the chrystal and yet he has the nerve to suggest that that is why Vi is back. He does genuinely love Jinx but his fear of losing her to Vi makes him manipulate her for sure.
In ep 6 he said that vi is dangerous and that she hurts people around her. This is a reason he doesn't want jinx to be with her. Because he is scared to Lose her.
@@sirdromos2769 he doesn't get to make that assessment about Vi. He doesn't know her. It's not his right to suggest that.
@@mathies3598 he know her really well because it's because of her if he had the opportunity to take control of the undercity. Vi is Always using his fist and not her brain.
@@sirdromos2769 silco got this opportunity because of shimmer. He would've done this regardless of the attempted burglary.
@@sirdromos2769 dude c'mon now, really? If you like silco, totally fine, I do as well. But you can like a character while also admitting their faults. He was 100% in the wrong here. He does not know vi, he doesn't know anything about her since they only met once before episode 6 and in 6 she straight up let him know what she was back for, and it was her sister.
He lied to manipulate jinx's feelings because he was terrified of her leaving him for vi, that's it. It wasn't for her safety, it was because of his own mental issues due to Vanders betrayal.
I don't know if you have already seen it... but if you watch the music video for "Enemy" by imagine dragons then it shows you a lot more about Jinx and Ekko's relationship when they are kids. There isn't any spoilers in it... everything is original animation not seen in the show.
I kinda feel like Ekko is Caitlyn's undercity counterpart. Both characters have pure motivations, and they are a couple of the few unambiguously GOOD people in the series. In the previous episode you guys pointed out how quickly Caitlyn adapts when she sees her errors, but in this episode Ekko does that a few times too, and he picks the path that appears to do the most good for the most people.
They even both lost a hero/mentor at the same time, and made a choice to be more like that person and fill in the void they left.
Arcane likes it's parallels (Vander/Silco or Vander/Heimerdinger as father figures being the big one), and I think that Ekko and Caitlyn are meant to show people with the same sort of heart but in the different worlds. Everyone else gets wrapped up in other things, but these are the characters who are really jjust trying to do good.
Silco doesn't actually know the details of vi's disappearance, though he clearly did know that marcus "took care of it" which was clearly at a later date than the night of her initial disappearance. I'm not sure it's as much manipulation as people assume it is in that scene because of that fact. Yes to some degree for sure, but he feels like he cannot lose her for various reasons, one being that he does care greatly for her and is hugely invested in her in many aspects. I think any manipulation certainly doesn't come from a place of maliciousness and want, and is more desperation and need.
his exact words in episode 6 when threatening markus at his home "Her father went on a long trip and Daddy here assured me that she left with him", or earlier in episode 4 he tells jinx "your sister's gone". so markus wasn't tasked with killing her, but probably assured silko that she was found dead.
the investment you refer to is kinship in that jinx was betrayed by her sister as he was by his brother in arms.
I really don't understand why people can't grasp that silko acts on the incomplete information he was given and that he isn't very manipulative at all when it comes to jinx.
@@danii7584 While his intentions behind it can be put to interpretation, Silco is definitively manipulative towards Jinx.
@@mariebourgot4949 with the words being up for interpretation, his whole attitude and motivation is as well.
not to mention that being protective of sb can also be manipulative. vi getting her little sister to put her hands over her eyes technically also is manipulative, and stems from the same impulse, which is reduction of mental harm.
I'm so glad you guys are giving Mel the benefit of the doubt because the next episode will show you why she is the way she is. People very often choose to read her through an archetype and see her in a purely negative light and it's a little bit frustrating 😅
Lol yeah I was like she acted way more different than a person who was actually manipulating someone. I only thought this because of how she was in ep 6
Well those that form a negative first impression are pretty much proven wrong later right? So what's the problem?
You can't stop people from forming negative opinions. You can do your best, but you'll always get people who see you the way they want to. Besides, I think Riot and Fortiche MEANT for Mel to be suspicious until we learn more about her later. So really...the people are just enjoying the show the way it was meant to be enjoyed. XD
@@hieronymusboss7705 Well, you'd think so but that would require most people to have critical thinking skills. A large portion of people simply form an opinion early on and stick to it, having 0 appreciation for character nuance. Go on any social media and Mel is still the villain of the show to a lot of people, despite the evidence to the contrary.
@@hawkins347 I've never seen that theory. Not once. I've watched HOURS of Arcane-related content, including a scene-by-scene breakdown that took almost thirty hours. My IRL friends never once said that. I've never seen any reactor say that either. Pretty much everyone's on board with that character and understands her nuances, particularly after talking it over with someone. I think you're taking a miniscule example and inflating its importance.
But even assuming what you said is true...so what? You can't make people change just by bitching at the void. All that's doing is making yourself feel better about your own "critical thinking skills".
@@hieronymusboss7705 Social media is so full of negativity about Mel's character that my friend has compiled a twitter blocklist that's 5 pages long to avoid it, so no. You've just been lucky.
In my opinion, Silco genuinely loves Jinx. He said that because he was scared of losing her because of Vi-the one who left her in their perspective. If you have noticed on Silco’s table, he is still using the mug and ashtray created by Jinx.
Also for his line “I need you more than ever” I believe he’s the only one who believed in her [Jinx] genuinely despite of her being a loose cannon and a literal “Jinx.”
No, Silco's not intentionally manipulating Jinx. He legitimately believes that Vi is going to hurt Jinx, and it makes sense why he would think so.
All he knows is that Vi "abandoned" Powder when they were younger and never came back, and now she's working with an Enforcer. Add to that the fact that Silco himself faced an extremely similar betrayal from Vander, and his thought process makes sense.
Silco's not going to think "Hmmm, this sister who abandoned Jinx years ago is now working with a law enforcement official to track down my terrorist daughter just days after she stole a powerful, dangerous item from Piltover. She must want to give her a hug."
In episode 6 Vi says that she’s going to find jinx and erase the delusions he put in her head. She made no mention of arresting powder or hurting her or anything of the sort.
Omg you two are so cute. Excited you're back! ❤
The "Cave Guy" is the doctor who made Shimmer for Silco in episode 1.
Just to break your heart even further: Ekko had a crush on Powder :')
Haha, yeah, Scar, the bat guy, has quite a lot of.... uh, fans. I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing when designing him.
Same with Finn :)
Love your reactions. The Expanse TV show is very good. I think you guys would enjoy it.
14:08 no he didn't...what do y'all think that whole Marcus visit was for? Marcus assured him Vi was dead...she returned...he bolted to Marcus to ask WTF. For all Silco's knowledge...Vi DID abandon powder. Silco did give her a home and took care of her. What gas-lighting?
haha funny opening
hope you're okay guys ✨
edit: random cave ppl rise up!
silco - I am your family
meg - NO.
Silco IS lying about Vi's motive for seeking Jinx, but he was NOT lying for years about Vi being dead. He didn't know she was in Stillwater.
1:42 yea, that’s the appropriate reaction to Scar😊
11:50
Put on your own safety mask... Nooo
Silco gave them what they never had...
To be precise ... Whatever they have, they have becoz of silco... That mask represents purpose, Business, shimmer, Nation of Zaun etc... Not loyalty though 😅
You guys should watch the Enemy music video, has unique Arcane scenes not in the show, Highly recommended
I love this show because *ALL* the characters are very real, human characters that you empathize with. Even the villains/bad guys.
Remember me Tom/Zendaya vibes on the start...
Something I noticed on a re-watch, Jinx's tattoos, they're blue smoke clouds. Same color as the signal flare's smoke, and they only on one side of her body. I've started to interpret that as the part of her that is still Powder is trying so hard to cry out for help, for Vi, for anyone to save her. And when we see that moment in this episode, just before she pulls the pin, her expression is almost grateful. It's like she knows from Ekko's expression that he still sees her in there, and it makes me think that the grenade is Powder trying to kill Jinx.
Your right jinx want to kill her self too... Remember in episode 4 if ahe actually want to kill ekko she can clip the bomb in ekko shirt if she will
At the end of every scene, it always makes a heart breaking, all the episodes,
That dude Ekko is built Different. To make it more painful the LOL lore explains he had a crush on her back in the day. Ekko is everyone’s favorite character lol
Too bad Marcus. Sometimes people don't get a redemption arc. More reason to do things right on the first time around.
It's ok guys, you've got lots of cool stuff happening! This is exactly what I needed after a long shift though haha!
I'd say that Silco does love Jinx, or maybe the idea of Jinx, but yes he is incredibly manipulative in convincing her she needs to stay with him.
Great reaction and perfect start to the 3rd act ! :)
Been a while!
Fun fact: Ekko kind of loves Jinx, since childhood.
13:30 I don't think it's manipulation, he actually believes it, because vander did it to him.
You are too all or nothing, you did this playing as Kratos aswell, always seeing him as the faultless, even when he is clearly VERY faultful and a causer of countless misery.
You keep trying to put yourself in a position you can feel self righteous and morally justified.
Try to just understand everyone instead, find the truth of all the situations whilst empathizing with everyone, even the most depraved, that is how you'll get to the fairest judgment, even if the sacrifice is it feels painful to do so in your own heart.
To the point of every character being complex, and difficult to fully hate or love, Vi is definitely no exception. She's a badass who fights for what she loves...but she's also the reason Jinx is who she is. Not only did she fail as a parental figure (though tbh that's Vander's failing, given that Vi is still a child in Ep. 3), she charged right in to save Vander when she had to know it was a trap. She's obviously not the sole reason things ended the way they did, but like everyone in this show, she shares culpability.
She also charged right into the Undercity after being freed from prison and beat the shit out of Sevika, without thinking twice. This, in turn, tipped off Silco, which put Jinx on a rampage, almost got Vi killed, etc. etc.
But Vi's failings have only begun to be fleshed out. You will see in the finale. I'll just say this: Jinx wants to listen to Vi - but words aren't Vi's strong suit. And her actions don't seem to add up, despite her good intentions.
So while Vi might be the simplest and most relatable of them all, she's still pretty mixed in terms of morality, capability and culpability if you ask me. She's on par with the other characters for her complexity.
It felt like, when Ekko fought her on the bridge, he was ready and willing to kill Jinx - but he wasn't ready to kill Powder, and it was that feeling that caught him off guard.
So that "cave person" is the same doctor working with Silco from episode 1,2,3. He survived the warehouse explosion in episode 3 and is now called Cinder. He created Shimmer, and it implied that the original origin of shimmer is the mutation within Rio (the dragon) which is why it "must survive."
I'm not sure Silco knew Vi intended to go back to Powder in episode 3. He didn't see her outside the building that day, he only had Powder's word that she'd left, and was later told by Marcus that she was dead. He might actually think that she genuinely abandoned and betrayed Powder.
Of course, by now it should be obvious to him, that Vi is definitely looking for her sister, and wants her back - so that part about Cait and Vi only being after the Gemstone was a clear lie. But if he thought she genuinely abandoned Powder back then, he might have decided that she didn't deserve a second chance to reconnect with Jinx, and considering his distrust of people, he would probably believe that she would hurt and betray Jinx again - so the lie was, I'm fairly sure, intended to protect Jinx (and perhaps himself, from loosing Jinx too)
Around 4 minutes when you guys were talking about there’s a lot of friends or past friends who have now parted ways. The whole season is based on duality. Every character has one or multiple opposites. Vander and Silco, Jinx and Vi, Sevika and Vi, etc. they do it so well.
Haven't even watched yet, had to give a like for the intro alone.
To put it simply, Vi loves Powder and Silco loves Jinx.
Oh I legit thought you dropped it ._.
The thing about "manipulative Silco", he doesn't know what Vi really wants. And he is terrified of losing her, so he'll do anything including lying to Jinx to keep her
Vi literally told Silco her intentions of coming back to Zaun in the last episode.
Think about how many years of fighting and blood spilled between Jinx and Ekko. Hear the venom in her voice when she calls him the bot savior, they've been through it.
YAAAAAAY!!!! Finally!!! THANK YOU! a LOT!
Wanna watch your reaction on Enemy (Arcane) music video. And to this "Wow O_o" video about Ekko. (Maybe after next Episode to avoid some minor spoilers)
P.S. Well, actually no. I really want a reaction on 3 music videos - Enemy (Imagine Dragons), Perfect (Miracle of Sound) and Get Jinxed in that EXACT order, but only after Final Episode.
That would be EPIC experience (Was for me).
ITS ABOUT TIME
jk i love you guys
this show is amazing in its writing and storytelling
i agree echo is one of my all time favorite characters of the show (and game) you see how this boy is now someone who understands the weight of responsibility that is being a leader as he says "after Vander died" and as you said he thought EVERYONE WAS GONE Vi,Vander,Milo, and then of course he sees his other best friend turn herself into a monster
could you imagine seeing one of your childhood friends literally murder someone in front of you?
(fun fact in the game he has some dialogue about Jinx saying "i used to like her.......before she started talking to the gun" showing how as a kid he had a crush on her also i LOVE his hair in the show so much more than in the game its literally perfect and exactly how i imagined his hair should be) but as you see he thought he was COMPLETELY ALONE and he forged a new safe haven for people he in a way "filled Vanders shoes"
Silco isnt exactly fully lying you have to remember he thought Vi was dead and now he thinks she is back to destroy him and take Jinx
(which she kinda is) but look at it from his perspective HE THOUGHT SHE REALLY ABANDONED HER so to him he has protected her and yes there relationship IS toxic but i dont think he is necessarily "bad to her" but more of "bad FOR her" he does love her but in a very twisted and manipulative way which is sad in its own right
Jinx is such a well written and tragic character you see her juggle all these decisions all these people from her life and she doesnt know what to do
Vi is alive so Silco lied
But she is with an Enforcer so she cant trust her
the scene at the bridge is the TIPPING point she goes there to finally see if Vi will go to HER will be there FOR HER but of course its not as simple as that
i also see many people say that she has D.I.D i dont agree with that at all in not a single episode do we see her have multiple personality's sure she talks like Jinx and Powder are two different people but they aren't
she has SEVERE ptsd and survivors guilt she also has a need to be love a need to be valued and validated all of these symptoms just PILE UP and aren't good Powder is jinx just as much as Jinx is powder Jinx is the person that has been forged from the broken pieces of powder sure some of her original self is still there
but she will never be the same little girl that everyone Echo and Vi remember her to be
hell that entire fight scene (best fight in the show) is proof she knew instantly what he was doing and played along and the most tragic thing is
both of them at the beginning were fully willing to murder the other
jinx thought echo betrayed her
and echo thought powder was dead
but its in that final moment when they are both bloodied bruised and broken that echo looks down and what does he see?
not some monster who is insane and is murdering his friends.....he sees that little girl and he is shocked.....he finally realizes what has happened to her and he cant bear to throw another punch i think the best emotion to describe both of there faces in that moment is.......sorrow
he is sorry she has become this monster to survive he is sorry that he his hurting her
and she is sorry for doing all the horrible things she's done and you see how in that moment
she does want to die
she now has no one left
Vi has left her
Silco has betrayed her
Her only other friend is now seeing HER for the monster she is
not Jinx
but the REAL her he sees that THIS....THIS IS WHATS LEFT OF POWDER......and so......she pulls the pin
I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE YOU WATCH THE LAST EPISODES THIS SHOW IS AMAZING AND
IT
JUST
GETS
BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilttover faction are people born with privilege, that want to keep it.
Undercity Silco faction are people born without privilege, but want to have it.
Ekko's faction are people that just want to live free, and raise happy children.
Our world need to think about it...
I think a lot of people mistake Silco projecting his own insecurities onto Jinx as manipulation. Don't get me wrong it's a super toxic relationship, but he sees Jinx as a younger version of himself and by extension Vi is Vander.
Silco has abandonment issues, same as Jinx. That’s a major part of their connection…established in the first act. But also established was that Silco believed true power was given to those willing to do anything to achieve it.
Just found u and im binging ur reaction to arcane rn, one thing about ekkos view on jinx, you gotta remember alot of time has passed since they were kids and he propably tried to get close to powder and talk to her but who knows what happened between them in all those years since they are clearly on opposide sides so ye i think he means what he was saying, he probably tried for a long time but at some point just gave up because he didnt see a chance of getting her back anymore.
btw. reactions to the scene at the end where its not clear if ekko is dead or not always reminds me of that anikin skywalker meme, everybody is like, "he cant be dead...right?.....right?!"
You better be sorry!! 😱
Just kidding of course! 😂Glad to have you back! 😊
While I do think there is some manipulation going on between Silco and Jinx, I think a lot of it is actually coming from a place of conscern. Just like Jinx, silco was abandoned and betrayed by a sibling figure. Vi turned her back on Jinx, and that caused tons of trauma for Jinx. Silco sees the damaging affect Vi has on Jinx's already unstabe emotional state, and he tries to protect jinx from having this wound re-opened even more. IN HIS MIND the cause of Jinx's problems is Vi, the person who turned her back on Jinx and did not accept Jinx for who she really was. In order to protect jinx, he must keep Vi away.
I think it's difficult to know for sure if it's coming from a place of concern or selfishness or a mix of both as we would need to literally read his mind and heart to be sure.
It's even worse the way Jayce treated Hiemerdinger. The rest of the counsel wanted to Exile him but Hiem was trying to give him a slap on the wrist. Then when he couldn't do that he remanded jayce to his mom rather than face Exile. Now that the counsel knows they can get rich off Jayce and Victor's discoveries they all just pretend like the Ethos and the Exile stuff never happened 🙄.
Jinx also hate caitlyn because she is a enforcers and enforcers are what killed their parents so she feels so betrayed by vi. Also silco think that vi is Bad for jinx because he think that vi is Always choosing violence and that she hurts people around her. So he try to push away jinx from her.
Sneaky Heimerdinger reminds me of Dark Mickey from Kingdom Hearts lmao
Jinx and Ekko fight
Lets play our old game one last time 😥
Can I just say that that intro was amazing? I cant believe you two kept it going for that long. Hats off
On side note jinx dropping bodies left and right. XD "silco kills people"
Compelling argument for the Delay 🤣
3769 best episodes ever ep 8 is the wrst for me then ep 524
At this point I didn't think Silco was manipulating Jinx. I don't think he believes Vi loves or cares about Jinx, truly. His experience, that we've seen, is being friends, sworn brothers, with Vander, who then tried to kill him. When he found Jinx she had a nosebleed from when Vi struck her and walked off. He clearly doesn't know what happened to her, but Marcus assured her that she had died. When he found Powder, she was abandoned, the last words spoken in anger, the last act a blow across her face. Why should he think she now suddenly cares? He has had seven years(?) to internalise the sister as the one who walked off after punching the girl he now sees as a daughter. Then Jinx steals something truly important to Piltover, and SUDDENLY there's the long lost sister with one of the jackbooted thugs of their oppressors, looking to string her little sister along until she gives up what she worked to acquire, much like Piltover always does whenever anyone in the Undercity gains anything. How CAN he think anything except "this is a trick to play on her emotions, give her false hope, which will then be crushed, leaving her bleeding and broken all over again. Well, not if I have anything to say about it." You see someone manipulating Jinx... I see someone attempting to shield her from someone he sees as a fickle, violent abuser.
As much as this is all true, I do think he lied to her about her sister being back for the hextech stone. Even the writers confirmed this. But I agree with everything else you stated.
@@lockekappa500 That's not so much a lie as an erroneous but reasonable assumption on his part, I think. How would he know differently? The only thing he can POSSIBLY have heard so far is "Vi is alive and looking for her sister". He has every reason, based on his life, experiences and philosophy to expect she is looking for her to get the stone back, and no reasons to suspect anything else. One might call it a lie to state confidently that it's true when you haven't gotten any ironclad confirmation of it, but I don't think so. If you make no assumptions in your life and act as if you know it, you collapse into solipsism and indecision.
I'm not trying to say you don't know what you're talking about here, but I see nothing that Silco can reasonably KNOW at this point that wouldn't point to his assumption that Vi is looking for the stone, at least primarily. We, the audience, know that Vi doesn't know about the gemstone, but Silco has no reason to think she doesn't. He COULD believe she's there for her sister regardless of any other concerns, but I don't see anything in him that suggests he'd believe that to be the most likely reason for her re-emergence. Granted, she didn't start shouting "where is the stone", but then no rational person would when the rumor mill isn't already abuzz about it. I'd be interested in a rationale that suggests he is contradicting knowledge he has or assumptions he would make when he says they are after the stone, but I can't see it. I believe that if the writers suggest otherwise, they merely think speaking without knowledge constitutes lying :P
@@th3voice Like I said, I'm not denying your reasoning is flawed, simply that the writers stated that specifically in this instance, he IS manipulating Jinx, in order to keep her on the same path.
The point is, Silco DOESNT know one way or the other, and simply jumps to the conclusion that best suits himself. So sure, maybe he thinks its an option, but he has zero proof that is why Vi is there. If anything evidence to the contrary. So if Silco was genuinely worried about Jinx's welfare, and the fact that her SISTER could be back for genuine reasons, then he wouldn't have worked SO HARD to keep Vi away from Jinx.
Why do you think he's so persistent about finding Vi in the first place? You really think he has the bridge blocked off for Jinx's safety? No, he knows Vi is a threat to LOSING Jinx, not that he thinks Vi will hurt her. Sure that might be a part of it, but I think ultimately he doesnt want to lose Jinx, and that is the underlying drive behind how he chooses to view and represent the situation to Jinx.
@@lockekappa500 It's definitely both. *Spoilers*
He's obviously afraid of losing Jinx and he's also sure that Vi will hurt her again. That's why he says "She'll be with you a day before she realises you're not that girl anymore and turns her back on you". He believes without a doubt that even if Vi wants to reunite with Jinx, she will be unable to accept her for who she is, which will only lead to Jinx feeling hurt again which he doesn't want.
Only an absolute cunt of a human being would allow something bad to happen to someone they love just to tell them "I told you so" later.
We're veering into SPOILER territory here.
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@@lockekappa500 I think that he genuinely believes Vi will be unable to accept her and will abandon her again after a day. Is he concerned with losing her for one day? I doubt it. He is concerned that after that day, she will return heartbroken, even more certain that she is worthless. If I were a father, I would not worry about the day she spends playing with false friends, but the hurt she feels when they abandon her after getting what they want from her.
The blockade isn't Silco's doing; it's what Marcus sort of manipulates into place to both do what Silco wants and cover his ass. No doubt Silco would approve of the blockade (consequences notwithstanding), but he knows Marcus doesn't have the power to do it on his own. His "they must not be allowed to resurface, do we understand each other" isn't an instruction to blockade the bridge, it's a threat that your daughter's safety is linked to the success of your task to keep Vi and Caitlyn from getting back to Piltover however he can. His ardent wish to do that is partially for Jinx' sake, but also because he knows if they succeed in what he thinks is their only real objective and recovers the stone, his role in the Undercity would probably be exposed, and he'd lose his most significant deterrent... so it would be war, or at least punitive measures from Piltover while his ability to stand them off is crippled.
That just may be the cutest intro of all time.
How dare you! We are happy to have you back!
It's ok still watching 🥰
Great review! Been waiting for it!
yup, same bridge.
Yay Arcane is back
Finally. Finally a reaction from somebody who understands that Jinx herself wants to die in that moment in front of her friend whom she knows sees her as the way she was. Gold 🌟
or maybe you are wrong
Singed: "Oh, how this Hextech works?"
Viktor: "Easy, works like that"
Next week: the end of the world.
Viktor saved Runeterra when said nothing.
the end of the world? or maybe glorious evolution!!!!
@@danii7584 Singed isn't an idealist like Viktor.
He is ready to burn the entire world down to... Accomplish his goal (no spoilers).
He don't care about anyone else. Everything he does is to know a little more about how to do it.
@@renascienza.bazarclub feel free to spoil, I'm kinda not interested in singed lore, at least not enough to look it up. last time I checked he was a chemtech guy that looked down upon magic & hextech.
also kinda disappointed that the "glorious evolution" meme was ignored :(
@@danii7584 there is so much people beyond us reading this, that is the reason I can't do any spoiler.
And I not ignored "the phrase", man. But is the spoiler thing again, I can't comment about it without relate the phrase to its owner...
We both know the lore, but so much people don't and want to keep it this way.
That is the reason because I comment about things exactly as I see in the show. Nothing about LoL, LoR and so on.
What I can say is that when the glory comes... We all in our side of screen will probably agree with it.
@@renascienza.bazarclub why not give a spoiler alert?
spoiler alert:
I think the rocket will disfigure dear victor and his only chance for survival will be the core. or the core will save him.
jayce will also survive, but mel will die, same as the rest of the council. then jayce will have to answer to mels mother because we got an episode where mels mother explicitly explains how she loves her child and how jayce should get his house in order. there's a good chance the next season will show the conflict with noxus.
I have no idea how warwick will factor into this. also rumor has it that the mouse from the beginning is twitch, and that there's a possibility that we'll have sky returning as kai'sa with new lore.
I don't think Jinx was trying to commit suicide. Despite all her suffering she has never exhibited any suicidal symptoms. She simply doesn't have a healthy fear of death. We've seen that with the way she handles her grenades.
Silco with Jinx "THAT'S TOXIC MANIPULATION!", very next scene Caitlyn finesses Ekko, "OHHH THAT'S SO SWEET!"
if you can't see the differences between the two, then you have a pb.
I think you are brutally underestimating Silco on several levels. He is complex. Not comic book complex, not cartoon complex, not movie complex. Really complex. Like all the characters. And i think you are painting him too black and white. But no offence: just my two cents.
In their defense I think this episode specifically is trying to pull you in both directions for Silco. It's meant to confuse a bit and conflict you, before it starts to go down one specific path in Ep 8/9. So if Silco is going to seem black and white, its this episode.
Nah nah these guys have been pretty great with seeing layers in characters. The scene itself simply puts him in a dark light here.