Rapsodo MLM2PRO RPT Balls VS Premium Balls - What’s The Difference?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video I do some more testing! This time I’m seeing what the difference is between the RPT balls and Premium balls.
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"I hit a toe hook". Proceeds to show a 10 yard push draw 😂. Great vid Joe
🤣🤣 Very self critical! Thanks Jeremy
It would be great to see this test once again after eight months of updates. Because I believe it got better ;)
I'll have to give it another go!
@@JLagGOLF My reasoning behind it is I am able to hit slices and hooks with the premium ball while not even trying as a beginner developing golfer 🤣
Yeah, I’d love to see if this is still the case now. I hope I’m not getting a false sense of security on Straight balls, using proV’s on my Rapsodo M2lm2
Awesome video! Don't love relying on the RPT. Makes me feel better about the R10's ability to produce pretty good data including shot shape with regular premium balls. I wonder how the MLM2 would fair using premium balls outside (with more space) into a net 🤔
I would imagine it works better outside because it can measure the shot further but it's probably highly dependent on the distance to the net. I haven't tried it but David Maxfield posted a video testing on a range and it was showing the same shot shapes as he was hitting.
Hey Hosel Rocket!! Thanks mate yes I feel like they need to add an algorithm like Garmin do... Give us a bit of estimated club path and face to path. And then they would be able to at least give us an estimated spin axis indoors. I love the RPT balls ability to measure everything and for a hardcore golfer like me I will always just pay the sub and get that. I feel like they are cutting quite a few people out of their market that would otherwise consider it over the R10.
Outdoors on a range this thing is super accurate with shot shape and I love the shot tracer you get after each shot.
Cheers mate
Did you try the acrylic pen as suggested in comments? Would be interesting to see if the golf balls with the soccer ball markings add some spin. I will give it a try.
Hey mate I haven't tried the acrylic pen yet! I really don't want to risk any black marks on my screen.. the dots are fantastic and now they are available in Australia it's just an easy option for me.
Awesome video Joe, very helpful to compare with other launch monitors
Thanks Jorge!
Great video Joe. I returned my R10 and will be getting the mlm pro 2 as soon as they are back in stock. Main reason for this is the camera capabilities of the mlm. My question is do you know if the spin and shot shape would be accurate at an outdoor range with range balls? Thank you Bret
I'd hang on to the R10 for the next month or two at least, they have a lot of growing pains with the MLM2 right now that they need to work out. I'm not even using mine at the moment as I feel like it's a total waste of time.
Hey Bret yes I tested it at the range and the shot shape was perfect! And I love the shot tracer you get after each swing.
@@JLagGOLF ok great that’s good to know. I’ll be using it 99% of the time indoors but was curious about at the range. Thanks!
@Jordan Imrie you might get shot shape, but you will not get spin numbers without rpt balls.
@@topgunbass I would just get the RPT balls, I'm fine with that. The marks on the mlm balls have noticeable wear and I've only hit maybe 80 shots with them. I had high hopes for this device, I really hope they release an update soon.
Great video Joe. Can I please ask how you connect your ipad to the projector? Are you using direct cable or airplay to apple tv or other? Thanks.
Hey Allan I just have a 10m HDMI cable that I run on the roof and down the wall. For me I just wanted a direct connection. I show it in my Sim build video.
Cheers
Great test Joe,
You can buy stickers that work, about a dollar each, but that could come down. Makes sense that since the longer clubs generate less spin the difference would be less. I can’t see enough difference to change from my R10. As you said in one of your replies, this personal launch monitor technology is changing fast, many new devices to come. In the end the regular golfer will be able to set up a simulator and get an enjoyable experience to add to and improve his or her game.
Cheers
Thanks Ken!
Yes I'm talking to a guy now who makes the stickers and trying to get some for the channel to review or if not I'll end up just buying some I'm sure. I've never really been a Callaway ball person. They make great golf balls but I just know the Pro V1 so well and how it reacts and spins in every situation I couldn't see myself switching golf balls. Yeah the R10 has proven time and time again it's a great device! Especially when paired with 3rd party software like awesome golf. I think the MLM2PRO has a long way to go before the software extracts all the potential of the hardware.. but I'm hopefully it will eventually happen! 🤞🤞🤞🤞 And I can't wait for a GS Pro connector lol 😂.
Great video. Happy to give it a like. Question. Do you find that the R 10 is better than this unit for lower lights? I’m looking to use it in a garage primarily.
Hey mate thanks for that! So the Garmin R10 is a radar unit only and as such light has no effect whatsoever. You could use it in pitch black or in the day. I need to confirm this 100 percent with Rapsodo but I believe the MLM2PRO uses the radar for detection and only uses the cameras for spin and spin axis. So therefore you would need light for the unit to see and capture the videos for spin and also the swing vision camera.
The manual does say use the MLM2PRO in a well lit area but in my testing I can have minimal light over my hitting area like you see in my videos and it performs really well apart from the no reads... But even with all my lights on I still had no reads.
I'll try and get something definitive from Rapsodo for a future video!
Cheers
Love the video and info. Problem is I am turn between the mlm pro, r-10 and swing caddie SC4 was really leaning toward the mlm pro now looks to be one of the other two any thoughts
Hey Kevin I haven't tried the swing caddie SC4 so can't really comment on that unit.. I did reach out to them but unfortunately heard nothing back. I tried to get a unit for testing... Hopefully they respond to one of my emails.
As for the other 2 launch monitors. The MLM2PRO is incredibly accurate in my testing and has a LOT of potential however at this point in time the software is really holding it back. The chipping is really not good at all so for simulation play right now it isn't great.. e6 is supposed to be launching this month so will see how that goes. If you're after a unit that is incredibly accurate on full swings with the correct spin axis indoors and out then the MLM2PRO is your launch monitor.. and then just wait for Rapsodo to sort out their software and app!!!! And not to forget you have to pay a yearly subscription!
If you want a device right now that is going to give you the best simulator experience as in connection to GS Pro and a 90 percent solution indoors with spin axis and no ongoing subscription fees then the R10 is your launch monitor. In my testing the R10 when aligned correctly is a very accurate unit and I have used it a LOT!!
How that helps mate!
Very cool and expected. I haven't tried the MLM2 into a net/screen yet, but I was VERY impressed with the shot shape accuracy outside on a range. Like i haven't fooled it yet (where say it would show a fade but my ball visually drew). It's always surprisingly accurate with range balls in terms of shape. Maybe when selecting the range (vs net) mode programs the radar to "watch" it for longer? The delay in shot is longer too - im guessing so.
Yeah outdoors it's EXTREMELY accurate with shot shape I was really impressed and loved the shot tracer as well after each shot.
I use mine outdoors into a net and idk how I feel about it.. using a RPT ball comes up about 10 yards short and 10 yards over using a premium so it’s kind of funky but still fun.
Nice video I'm interested to see diy ball marking options so you can use your own balls and get the spin/shot shape
Yes I’m speaking now with a husband and wife that make dots for Uneekor balls and have now done the same for the MLM2PRO and they look great. Hopefully ill be able to get some to show off on the channel. And I know a few people have 3d printed ball holders or wraps that clip on to the ball and you can just sharpie the dots on. I wouldn’t like to do that though with a white impact screen.
Could you also add the “metallic dot” as used by others when using the R10. Also with the MLM, it would be interesting to see if you leave the ball selection on the Rapsodo Ball choice but use the premium ball. Maybe when choosing the premium ball selection the software automatically excludes spin rate/axis???
@@OutdoorsSouthOz Hey mate as in do a video on the metallic dot balls? I can definitely add that to the list.
I did try and leave it in the Rapsodo ball selection and use the premium ball but it was bad!! Haha 😂 it did some massive mis-reads. It definitely didn't like it and the data was no good.
I am able to get the ball to hook or slice with a Vice pro plus. My set up is outside into a net. I have about 12-14 ft from hitting area to net. Maybe you don’t have enough ball flight time for it to estimate the shot shape.
Hey Xavier very interesting! Ok I will definitely check this out. I have just over 9 feet to my screen. My R10 doesn't struggle at all with it even from less distance.
Cheers
@@JLagGOLF No problem, also get shot shape on the range with range balls. You can also see that in others videos. I also believe D Maxfield was able to get simulated/estimated values for spin in the Awesome Golf app if I remember correctly. Been raining but will definitely test it more.
would love to see an estimated* spin and spin axis for the premium balls, and they REALLY need to give an swing path and AOA even if it estimated* With the 3 camera views, I think the MLM2 Pro really shines is for players working on swing changes or trying to dialing their game, but swing path and AOA are two of the most important metrics you'd want to be monitoring while trying to dial in those swing changes. Get them added Rapsodo!!!!!!!
🤞🤞 fingers crossed for this. We all know it can be done and even if it's just like what we see with the r10 that 90-95 percent solution.. most people are going to pay for the RPT ball calculated spin and spin axis.
@@JLagGOLF No doubt I order a dozen as soon as I saw Rapsodo had them available😂 And with the impact vison you can already get a good idea of Path and AOA so you know it wouldn't be a problem for those to be added, just inconvenient to have to look after each shot not to mention newer players getting into the game that might not have that well of a grasp what they're looking at, a metric after each shot needs to be at the top of the list for Rapsodo in future updates!!!
@@joelwhite9153 Yeah I totally agree.. If they just offered the impact vision as a selectable option for swing replay after each shot.. you can pick swing vision or impact camera to pop up after each shot.. software software software. I’m sure it will get there but us users want everything now! Lol
I have the mlm2pro since early April and l am not getting good results. Too many disconnect issues and carry distance is off by a significant amount. I don't have the swing speed of these beta testers but I have been playing golf for 40 plus years and know my club distances. At this time I don't think l care to pay for additional rapsodo mlm2pro balls and if rapsodo doesn't fix the missed shot problem and some of the other issues l don't think l will be paying for yearly subscription fees.
Exactly, I'm likely returning mine and going back to an R10 or just am going to pony up and get the Bushnell launch monitor.
Hey Tom I know there is another update right around the corner. But yes I feel you mate.. the software needs some updates to get it working perfectly and then more software updates to add some NEEDED features. In saying that I think they work pretty fast and are keen to get it performing how we all know it should be performing. 🤞🤞
🐎🐎🐎🐎 BLP would be great 👍 but those subscription fees!! Having said that I think you can do the lowest one and still play GS Pro
@@JLagGOLF Yea.. I didn't realize how much the fees were. I'm going to wait for the new update from rapsodo and decide from there. Have you used the Mevo +? Is it 3x better than the garmin? curious if it's worth the price difference.
@@Jord_45 I haven’t tried mevo plus.. I have heard mixed reviews.. I think its like the r10 in terms of if you have a good environment for radar it will work great but you can have a lot of interference issues. And I have heard putting is very hit and miss. A lot of mevo plus users don’t even putt on GS Pro because its not good. However some people have spent a long time getting their set up perfect and say it works great. It’s definitely worth joining the SGT discord and chatting to users before purchasing. There will always be pros and cons to every device
I've recently just purchased and done some measurements. Irons seem to be accurate but the driver seems to be off by 20 metres. Ball speed and swing speed are accurate. Haven't used the RDT ball yet. Is there a fix to this or do I have to change something in the settings?
Hey Jazza what are you comparing to out of interest? What's the ball speed with driver? RPT balls will give accurate spin maybe the regular balls are giving a spin that's too high and therefore you are losing distance?
@Joe Lagowski Golf comparing to our simulator at our local golf club which is about golf. Think almost identical to GC quad. Could it possibly be the lighting in the simulator?
@@jazzamac3796 Does about golf estimate spin? Each one of these softwares is going to give carry distance based on an algorithm so they all aren't going to match perfectly. That being said they should be within a few yards of each other.. especially if the about golf has been tested and verified against the GC QUAD. I know the QUAD and MLM2PRO are pretty much identical in terms of carry distance. Jay from GSV does a great comparison showing this.
TBH it could be a number of things.. but to my knowledge I believe the MLM2PRO uses the radar to calculate ball speed and VLA. The only metrics the cameras provide is spin and spin axis. I could be wrong on this.. there isn't a lot of in depth information explaining how the MLM2PRO works and I get it as that's their algorithm and hardware.
Spin would definitely play a factor in carry distance! I would try and test with the RPT and see how the results compare. As for light in the room as far as I'm aware again I could be wrong I think the unit only needs the light for the cameras (spin and spin axis). I know it says it needs to be used in a well lit room in the manual but radars don't need light... Only cameras.
Try with the RPT balls and let me know how you go! I'm going to try contact Rapsodo and see if I can get some more in-depth manuals to explain how the unit works.
@Joe Lagowski Golf yeh it estimates spin but i didn't have the RPT balls for the simulator to pick it up. The reason it was strange is because the ball speed and club speed were identical. It wasn't very well lit room at the time but I shall take the balls with me next time and see if their is any difference.
At the range and in the simulator my irons were spot on. Only seems to be the driver, hybrid and Woods where there is a difference. The MLM2 had me at 257 metres simulator around 273 metres. This was on all shots with the driver.
So basically you need to spend at least $275 a year with membership and balls just to have the device work. I am between this and the R10 and the R10 is looking better.
If i had the device for 5 years with premium balls for MLM2PRO and regular balls with metal dot for r10 and awesome golf lifetime membership it would be
MLM2PRO - $2150
Garmin R10 - $950
I agree! I have a R10 and all the data is consistent enough… I mean, of course I know that the spin axis is not perfect but it’s absolutely good enough. I don’t dwell too much on the miss hits anyway… 😉
Asking for a subscription to have spin on top of needing rpt balls… That’s a total deal breaker for me.
Buy the R10 and don’t even think twice 👍
Cheers
It definitely starts to add up.. and I don't know if you will have it for 5 years. This new tech space is rapidly moving and lots of new personal home launch monitors are coming to the market. 2-3 years maybe I think.. I am definitely thinking Garmin are seeing this and are going to come out with something to compete.
But yes you are completely right 👍 it definitely adds up. The Garmin with RCT balls has perfect spin numbers but I do want to stress the RCT balls do not in any way help the unit with spin axis.. I know there are some people saying that it gets better spin axis. This is not true. Having said that the estimated spin axis is VERY good and is right most of the time.
@@JLagGOLF I saw Gasprom putting with the R10. Can you actually play a round of golf or is it simply to practice putting? Cheers Joe!
GSpro putting…
@@EricGauthier-sr4bc Hey mate absolutely you can play a round of golf like this. There are people using this to play the tours on SGT.
Thanks for another great video Joe. Wow, without the RPT balls you might as well just draw a straight red line on the screen. Disappointing that it can't pick up ANY shotshape without the proprietary ball. With the Garmin R10 obviously the RCT ball gives the better, more reliable numbers but at least with an ordinary ball or your normal gamer you can still get decent results. Quite disappointing IMO.
Thanks mate! Yeah it was a bit disappointing. The Garmin has excellent back spin numbers with the RCT! Remember though it doesn't help with spin axis. But the back spin numbers are absolutely spot on with them. The Garmin is actually pretty good with shot shape to me.. I'll try get a video out showing shot shape with it. I'd say 90 -95 percent of the time shot shape is good 👍
Cheers!
@@JLagGOLF thanks Joe, look forward to that.
I asked Rapsodo and they said they have no plans to add estimated spin to premium balls on their app but potentially in the future
Thanks for that Louie and yeah I wouldn't have thought they would which is a shame. They are obviously using some sort of number as they are giving us a carry distance. The other thing would be some sort of estimated spin axis.. which again I really highly doubt they would do this as then it would potentially stop people paying the subscription fee.
Cheers
How about a video that shows at which wear point does the RPT ball start to give bad information? The balls wear quickly and the dots degrade noticably. That has go to affect the unit. The question is how much and at which point.
I'd be curious to see if filling in the dots with an industrial sharpie (or something else that won't leave a mark on your impact screen) brings them back to life, assuming the cover of the ball is still okay.
Hey John so I haven't reached that point yet but I have no doubt if this was my only unit then I would have beat the RPT's almost to death by now. I personally wouldn't mark the balls with a sharpie as I don't want it to transfer to my screen. If I was using a net then yeah sure I'd give it a go. I'm really interested and trying to get a hold of some stickers that a small place called just a potomus is selling to test. If anyone knows of anything that wouldn't mark my screen that could bring them back to life let me know! At this point though I feel like the balls would pretty much wear out and be no good after maybe 1 refurb with a sharpie or other pen. Golf balls aren't designed to be smashed into a screen 🤣.
I'll check this out thanks!
Nice video. I doubt you will ever get calculated spin and shot numbers from rapsodo. That's the whole model of using their balls and cameras and paid subscription. If they start giving the numbers away for free even if calculated that would defeat their model. It's the most annoying thing with this unit. Use our balls and pay subscription or you won't get what you are really after...lol
Thanks TOP GUN. Yeah I totally agree with your comment for their business model it doesn’t make sense for them to give estimated spin axis data. However I would also argue at lease give us the estimated spin number you are using. Also it could potentially hurt sales for them just thinking from a users point of view.. If they offered what Garmin offered and then had the option for measured spin with the RPT balls it would then beat the Garmin hands down. Because you would essentially get an R10 with the option of paying the subscription for measured data.. most people once they have it will pay to upgrade. Hahah eventually they will crack and want the measured data lol.
@Joe Lagowski Golf yes maybe if future sales slow down or competion comes out with calculated numbers unlock they would dead. Maybe they read some of this feed back. Not everyone is thrilled with the way they are promoting this unit.
Put black dimple marks on the premium ball and try agin.
If I had a net I would definitely buy a stencil and do sharpie marking but they would mark up the white impact screen and ruin the projector image.
There are stickers available which I am trying to source now though for the Titleist balls 👍
Cheers
I tried it works.
@joelagowskigolf Here is one thing you could try to see if it will get a calculated spin. Leave it set to RPT balls and try a premium ball with it set to RPT. Never know that may work (unless you have tried it and it didnt work) 😄
@chasehill007 That was my exact thought too. Oddly enough I have a brand new Garmin R10 I bought just before this came out and still have not bee able to use do to weather. This MLM2 Pro intrigued me so I want to see that it can do, but have no desire at all to get one 🙂
Ok so that's a good idea I'll definitely check it out but I don't think it will work. I did try hit the premium balls in the Rapsodo range with RPT ball selected and that didn't work I just had massive mis-reads. But I didn't try out the RPT down and then switch it out for a premium ball before hitting. I am pretty sure it won't work but I'll give it a go next time!
@@JLagGOLF That is very cool of you to do that. To me it clears up that question for all. Unless someone like you will try it, no one will know and would have to guess and this will save possibly a lot of golfers from getting one and being disappointed possibly. Thanks again for what you do here! Its helps greatly!