University professors are out of touch. They haven't had contact with the "real" world in years, probably decades for some. Which in computer terms is an eternity, because everything changes so rapidly, it's like every few days something new comes out. They only offer a _broad_ spectrum of _general_ computing knowledge. If you're not interested in building websites, learning JavaScript is absolutely pointless. And if you ARE interested, there are so many web frameworks out there that they don't even _mention,_ let alone teach. 😐 I have a Bachelor's degree in something else and I can tell you with 100% certainty that over 95% people who graduate are complete idiots. Idiots with a diploma. They haven't learned anything. Employers immediately zoom in on the "Experience" section of the CV. And I mean IMMEDIATELY, it's not even funny how fast their eyes dart to that section, I was shocked when I saw that. It's much better to study (on your own) specific things that you're interested in, and have a few projects that you can list on your resume and about which you can talk about at great length in an interview. You gain experience from doing that. If you want a job, this is the way. Otherwise, the best you can expect is an internship... which at the end of the 6 months (or however long it is), it's not entirely clear if they would pick you (out of the rest of the internees) for a full-time contract.
io ho fatto solo un istituto tecnico (itis) alle superiori ed ovviamente ho scelto informatica come indirizzo. lì ho imparato le basi ma poi quello che uso ad oggi per lavoro l'ho imparato fuori dalla scuola. posso dirti che il nostro programma nel corso del triennio copriva tutta la parte di architettura dei computer, reti e poi qualche linguaggio di programmazione tra cui C e Java. un piccolissimo ma davvero piccolissimo accenno a JS in quinta superiore ma del tipo eventlisteners sui bottoni, nulla di più. fortunatamente me lo stavo già studiando da autodidatta quindi è stata una cavolata quella parte e inoltre questo mi ha permesso di uscire dalla scuola preparato e con competenze e conoscenze che andavano ben oltre quelle del programma. Non ti nascondo che ero tentato di fare l'università per seguire la strada dell'ingegneria ma (molto probabilmente mi sbaglio), penso che l'esperienza lavorativa valga più di quello che potresti imparare di nuovo in quegli anni universitari. senza togliere nulla al corso eh, penso sia comunque ottimo e ovviamente offre tantissimi sbocchi lavorativi specialmente all'estero ma per quello che volevo fare io non era la cosa più adatta a me, inoltre volevo iniziare subito a fare qualcosa
Grazie mille del feedback Omar, anche io sono sostenitore della pratica ed il learn-by-doing. L' università forse ti da quella profondità in più che va a colmare quei gap lasciati dalla sola pratica 🤔
@@onaecO esatto, però penso sia davvero ottima per chi invece non ha mai studiato informatica prima d'ora perchè magari ha fatto un indirizzo completamente diverso ma si è reso conto di avere questo interesse o passione e quindi un corso universitario che ti prepara da zero secondo me è la scelta migliore per chi vuole iniziare ed essere guidato
Hello, degree is still valued. It’s other way to learn things: it has system that with self-education process you have to build yourself. It won’t get you to the top of the knowledge. Because university degree is designed to be understood and passed. But it still worth it (I would say more in the humanities than in the technical sciences). Video courses are ok, but education need to have system to bring you to the best result. And 42 is not about computer science;) it’s basically to train soft-skills of poor street boys to help them enter to corporate world. Don’t forget that in the very beginning it was charity project;)
the 42 school certificate is on par with a bachelors or masters degree now a days though. And in france it has already been recognized so by the government. Also from the statistics that I’ve seen. 42 students get way more pay as a junior than someone who graduated uni or bachelor, atleast here in the Netherlands.
@@vkatasonov since Spain and Portugal are in the EU, I'd argue that it technically is even though it'd take some steps, if you go to France and ask the government there to validate your certficate from codam it'll be recognised by the EU as a masters or bachelors, then with that recognition, it'll server as an actual master or bachelor. Atleast if I'm not mistaken
5ay Oceano, we a watch ur videos specially during the pool in Morocco, the problem is they are many companies that still believe in the piece of paper more than skills
the thing is. a CS degree is far more than just coding. If we strictly talk about coding then yes, 42 is enough. but if you want to step up your game and understand research papers / complex architectures a degree is more valid
85% degli iscritti al canale sono studenti della 42, io ex studente ormai, ma i miei video riguardano tanto la scuola e il C. Know more-> 42firenze.it/ anche a Roma e Milano
@@onaecO scemo io che non lo avevo capito prima, comunque anche io sono uno studente della 42, ma a Roma. Fa davvero piacere sapere che il network 42 non è cosi piccolo come sembra.
bruh you have the the flag of morroco in your room , learn darija first it is the most important , I can help if you want :) for the degree if you can get you first step in company is not needed , can you provide more context
Stesso identico dilemma, 19 anni. Ho fatto 1 anno di 42. Mi iscriverò a Informatica a Firenze (Ma questo è perchè ho come obbiettivo di diventare un ML Engineer, probabilmente per lavori da programmatore è meglio non farla)
If you were to study on your own for 4 years game programming, game engine programming, shader programming, GPU computing, and a few graphics APIs, you'd be MILES ahead of someone who studied JavaScript, Python, Java and C in computer science classes for 4 years. 😐
I completely agree, but you still should get a degree at least if you are going the employment route: People with degrees get more pay in every stage of the career. The way to do it imo is: Learn hands on, build things and so on, then get into jobs that push you more and after 3-7 years you can just fly through a competency based degree like WGU in 6 months or less. Without losing a lot of time you will get the paper that will print money for you (your certificate). Same thing for masters degree: get yoe in work and with that experience do a competency based masters degree. (This is higher (time) investment withlower return than the bachelors degree but can open doors for you)
University professors are out of touch. They haven't had contact with the "real" world in years, probably decades for some. Which in computer terms is an eternity, because everything changes so rapidly, it's like every few days something new comes out. They only offer a _broad_ spectrum of _general_ computing knowledge. If you're not interested in building websites, learning JavaScript is absolutely pointless. And if you ARE interested, there are so many web frameworks out there that they don't even _mention,_ let alone teach. 😐
I have a Bachelor's degree in something else and I can tell you with 100% certainty that over 95% people who graduate are complete idiots. Idiots with a diploma. They haven't learned anything. Employers immediately zoom in on the "Experience" section of the CV. And I mean IMMEDIATELY, it's not even funny how fast their eyes dart to that section, I was shocked when I saw that.
It's much better to study (on your own) specific things that you're interested in, and have a few projects that you can list on your resume and about which you can talk about at great length in an interview. You gain experience from doing that.
If you want a job, this is the way. Otherwise, the best you can expect is an internship... which at the end of the 6 months (or however long it is), it's not entirely clear if they would pick you (out of the rest of the internees) for a full-time contract.
Let me pin this, ty! 🥹
you can get a computer science certification from Harvard for less than $300.
wtf ? how xD
i dropped out of 42 a while ago and i regret it forcefully i dont know what to do anymore
simple, come back to it...
io ho fatto solo un istituto tecnico (itis) alle superiori ed ovviamente ho scelto informatica come indirizzo.
lì ho imparato le basi ma poi quello che uso ad oggi per lavoro l'ho imparato fuori dalla scuola.
posso dirti che il nostro programma nel corso del triennio copriva tutta la parte di architettura dei computer, reti e poi qualche linguaggio di programmazione tra cui C e Java. un piccolissimo ma davvero piccolissimo accenno a JS in quinta superiore ma del tipo eventlisteners sui bottoni, nulla di più.
fortunatamente me lo stavo già studiando da autodidatta quindi è stata una cavolata quella parte e inoltre questo mi ha permesso di uscire dalla scuola preparato e con competenze e conoscenze che andavano ben oltre quelle del programma.
Non ti nascondo che ero tentato di fare l'università per seguire la strada dell'ingegneria ma (molto probabilmente mi sbaglio), penso che l'esperienza lavorativa valga più di quello che potresti imparare di nuovo in quegli anni universitari. senza togliere nulla al corso eh, penso sia comunque ottimo e ovviamente offre tantissimi sbocchi lavorativi specialmente all'estero ma per quello che volevo fare io non era la cosa più adatta a me, inoltre volevo iniziare subito a fare qualcosa
Grazie mille del feedback Omar, anche io sono sostenitore della pratica ed il learn-by-doing. L' università forse ti da quella profondità in più che va a colmare quei gap lasciati dalla sola pratica 🤔
@@onaecO esatto, però penso sia davvero ottima per chi invece non ha mai studiato informatica prima d'ora perchè magari ha fatto un indirizzo completamente diverso ma si è reso conto di avere questo interesse o passione e quindi un corso universitario che ti prepara da zero secondo me è la scelta migliore per chi vuole iniziare ed essere guidato
Hello, degree is still valued. It’s other way to learn things: it has system that with self-education process you have to build yourself. It won’t get you to the top of the knowledge. Because university degree is designed to be understood and passed. But it still worth it (I would say more in the humanities than in the technical sciences).
Video courses are ok, but education need to have system to bring you to the best result.
And 42 is not about computer science;) it’s basically to train soft-skills of poor street boys to help them enter to corporate world. Don’t forget that in the very beginning it was charity project;)
Very much agree with you, wise comment indeed 👏🏻
the 42 school certificate is on par with a bachelors or masters degree now a days though. And in france it has already been recognized so by the government.
Also from the statistics that I’ve seen. 42 students get way more pay as a junior than someone who graduated uni or bachelor, atleast here in the Netherlands.
@@KatarinaClaes-q1p in other countries now, and won’t be recognized. At least in Spain and Portugal (as it doesn’t have fixed schedule).
@@vkatasonov since Spain and Portugal are in the EU, I'd argue that it technically is even though it'd take some steps, if you go to France and ask the government there to validate your certficate from codam it'll be recognised by the EU as a masters or bachelors, then with that recognition, it'll server as an actual master or bachelor. Atleast if I'm not mistaken
@@KatarinaClaes-q1pnot sure. More than this: it’s a bit difficult process to be reassigned to 42France.
5ay Oceano, we a watch ur videos specially during the pool in Morocco, the problem is they are many companies that still believe in the piece of paper more than skills
True, but for how long ? The world is moving faster than peoples mindset and CEO's of most average companies
the thing is. a CS degree is far more than just coding. If we strictly talk about coding then yes, 42 is enough. but if you want to step up your game and understand research papers / complex architectures a degree is more valid
@@raimo7911 we have ai fam so who need to learn how to read
papers
Ciao, nel minuto 1:06 c'è scritto "School 42", ma a cosa ti riferisci di preciso?
85% degli iscritti al canale sono studenti della 42, io ex studente ormai, ma i miei video riguardano tanto la scuola e il C.
Know more-> 42firenze.it/ anche a Roma e Milano
@@onaecO scemo io che non lo avevo capito prima, comunque anche io sono uno studente della 42, ma a Roma. Fa davvero piacere sapere che il network 42 non è cosi piccolo come sembra.
Anche io ero a Roma.
Io pensavo sto canale facesse max 100 subs infatti 😂, invece siamo un botto della 42
bruh you have the the flag of morroco in your room , learn darija first it is the most important , I can help if you want :) for the degree if you can get you first step in company is not needed , can you provide more context
You re right indeed Mohamed ;)
what is your relation with morocco haha wach nta megribi ?
my dad 😂
Probably, depends on the scope
dobbiamo fa un pod intervista qui omo ;)
that flag was unexpected lol
Stesso identico dilemma, 19 anni. Ho fatto 1 anno di 42. Mi iscriverò a Informatica a Firenze (Ma questo è perchè ho come obbiettivo di diventare un ML Engineer, probabilmente per lavori da programmatore è meglio non farla)
Com'è andata la 42? piaciuta?
@@onaecO sta ancora andando. Molto bene direi. esperienza fantastica e progetti stimolanti.
90% software is in house build and is maintance, so find hause(company). My noob opinion.
what is the moroccan flag doing there
My real life name is Jalal, how about yours ? ;)
If you were to study on your own for 4 years game programming, game engine programming, shader programming, GPU computing, and a few graphics APIs, you'd be MILES ahead of someone who studied JavaScript, Python, Java and C in computer science classes for 4 years. 😐
I completely agree, but you still should get a degree at least if you are going the employment route:
People with degrees get more pay in every stage of the career.
The way to do it imo is: Learn hands on, build things and so on, then get into jobs that push you more and after 3-7 years you can just fly through a competency based degree like WGU in 6 months or less. Without losing a lot of time you will get the paper that will print money for you (your certificate).
Same thing for masters degree: get yoe in work and with that experience do a competency based masters degree. (This is higher (time) investment withlower return than the bachelors degree but can open doors for you)
are you Moroccan?
Half, yes ;)
@@onaecO
Allegedly, your parents are Moroccan and you were born in Italy?
Bingo 😁
Wait , ARE YOU MORROCAN !!!!!!?????
Allegedly ^^
come mai la bandiera Marocchina?
Mio papà 😁
@@onaecO Mi fa molto piacere che tu riconosci questa parte di te, cmq complimenti per quello che fai su questo canale youtube.
T.S
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what a random place to find a moroccan flag