Try your pump and radiator on the copper water block. You may be seeing better cooling from air flow, larger radiator or a more powerful pump. Plastic sides on the copper block aren't going to do much and it has a lot more horizontal surface for liquid to extract heat from. Any water block works best from a turbulent flow. Maybe the copper block is too "smooth" and "laminer" in its flow to get the same results? First thing of course is to make as many variables the same so you can eliminate them. You can also run your water block on the others pump and radiator. What does that do?
*High End gaming pc's today will use double the power* that an average house with every electrical device all running at once so in my current build I'll be adding in the Raspberry Pi 5 for daily pc use for email, & youtube. The water block made by Seeed Studio has G1/4 threads so any water cooling fittings will work, including hard tube fittings, & since the pc I am building is going to be all glass tubing, this will not look cringe. I am also planning on installing a small led monitor for system monitoring, & with the RPi5 installed I'll have it connected to this screen so it can stay on while the PC is off, to monitor for everything my phone already monitors (emails, etc), but it will also monitor for leaks inside of the case, so I know not to power on the gaming pc. So I ordered & have received the Pi5 water block already & once this current pc is built (I'm having a hard time finding the time needed) all I'll need is a KVM switch to switch the keyboard, video, & mouse over from the main pc's K, V, & M ...think once I build & post the video on my main youtube channel I'd bet we'll see it copied in new youtube build videos, having this built in to me it is just common sense, because we are all struggling these past few years. *btw, Right now the Seed Studio RPi5 water block is currently only $16 bucks (normally $20), this is only the block & the pads, screws, back plate, soft tube g1/4 connections, so everything but the pump, soft tubing, fan, & radiator.*
awesome video! i dont know much about the water cooling as im just getting into this hobby and i will be buying this system. so i have a noobie question for you lol, do you use just plain water with some sort of coloring or do u put actual rad coolent in her?
It's best to put proper PC coolant into the loop as this has anti-corrosion and anti-microbial properties. Water is fine for experimentation for a day or two but not for long term use.
I am just curious is it possible to replace the fan and use another one that is more quiet? I did my own water cooling solution for CM4 by copying your DIY project for CM4 and since then I am a fan of water cooling. However it was expensive. 120 USD is much more below the price I achieved when I built my own project. So almost in the same price I can buy Raspberry Pi 5 in Poland. Raspberry is cheaper a little bit (few bucks less). However I would like to see a case for Raspberry Pi 5 with water cooling, similar to the one you made for CM4.
Yes you can replace the fan, it's just a standard 12V 120mm PC fan. It's not the fan that is the problem though, its the return line to the reservoir that makes the most noise on the unit. If you're buying premium PC parts then the costs quickly exceed $120 but you should be able to put something together for less than that. IFrom memory my water loop parts cost about $60 and then the acrylic, heatsink and thermal pads cost about another $10 so the DIY solution is a little more than half the price.
I think your kits looks better. I get flack all the time for using 52pi ice tower coolers on my Pi4 and Pi5s from facebook groups saying "do you think this like an intel cpu, its only a raspberry pi" but i dont care...if they running cooler then why not! Never water cooled a Pi before but it looks like fun to try.
I agree, I use an Ice Tower on my main Pi 4 and Pi 5 in my desktop case design. It's probably overkill but it keeps the Pi nice and cool and looks good too. Water cooling is definitely not necessary, it's only really beneficial for a cluster of Pis.
Hi @Michael Klements, I know you've built a cool case for a beelink mini pc in the past. Ryzen processors in these mini pc's are becoming a lot better, and also produce a lot more heat. Would you consider building a water cooling solutions for one? Nothing like this exists on TH-cam currently, and these mini pc's are becoming increasingly popular, and besides the fans can be obnoxiously loud under load! Cheers
Hello Michael, i really like your videos, i wish i could get in touch with you to talk about a weather station project very similar to one you uploaded a while ago on your channel.
If the test can't be complete on the Pi 5 without cooling then we can't use that as a baseline - it thermal throttles after half a minute. The only useful information we get from that test is - don't do the test without cooling.
Agreed that they should've used an Al block. For an RPi, there really isn't much benefit of Cu over Al. It's a hilarious product and I love it. Totally fun overkill for a single RPi but a pretty good idea for clusters. My RPI5 also can't stay at 3GHz stably though it can do 2.9GHz all day long. RPi5 is still in early production with rev. 1 boards, so I think later ones will hit 3GHz just fine (much like my early RPi4 can't hit 2.4GHz, but my later two run 2.4GHz just fine). I'm sure >3GHz will be unlocked at some point, too, either via hack or firmware update.
An aluminium block would have still looked good and we're already so far down the road of overkill that Cu vs Al doesn't matter anymore. I've only got two Pi 5's so far, one doesn't boot at all at 3Ghz and the other boots but if you put any load on it then it crashes. Hopefully I'll be luckier with some new ones in future!
I see this being the best effective option for clustered applications but It's ridiculous to have this on a single Pi. By the way, who, how or where did you manufacturered your kits ??
I have built a couple of CyberDecks, take a look through some of my older videos. I've got a laser cut compact one and one built into a rugged pelican case.
This is definitely a "because you can" project, it is not cost effective nor does it provide much benefit for a single Pi. As I've said in the video, the $5 active cooler is good bang for your buck and works well even on an overclocked Pi.
Here's a why for ya. I'm integrating a pi with a cooled bed. Since the bed is liquid cooled, why not just plumb in the pi??? Oh and the og cooler DOESN'T handle an OpenCV compile without going over 70c in a stock case.😢Granted this is below throttle limit, but why push it.
Always liked your original project. I was always hoping for a follow-up video on what you used the cluster for.
Try your pump and radiator on the copper water block. You may be seeing better cooling from air flow, larger radiator or a more powerful pump. Plastic sides on the copper block aren't going to do much and it has a lot more horizontal surface for liquid to extract heat from. Any water block works best from a turbulent flow. Maybe the copper block is too "smooth" and "laminer" in its flow to get the same results? First thing of course is to make as many variables the same so you can eliminate them. You can also run your water block on the others pump and radiator. What does that do?
I think the temp differences comes from the power input chip thats getting cooled by the copper block and not by yours. That part gets pretty warm.
finally catching up on old videos
nice setup btw
*High End gaming pc's today will use double the power* that an average house with every electrical device all running at once so in my current build I'll be adding in the Raspberry Pi 5 for daily pc use for email, & youtube. The water block made by Seeed Studio has G1/4 threads so any water cooling fittings will work, including hard tube fittings, & since the pc I am building is going to be all glass tubing, this will not look cringe. I am also planning on installing a small led monitor for system monitoring, & with the RPi5 installed I'll have it connected to this screen so it can stay on while the PC is off, to monitor for everything my phone already monitors (emails, etc), but it will also monitor for leaks inside of the case, so I know not to power on the gaming pc.
So I ordered & have received the Pi5 water block already & once this current pc is built (I'm having a hard time finding the time needed) all I'll need is a KVM switch to switch the keyboard, video, & mouse over from the main pc's K, V, & M ...think once I build & post the video on my main youtube channel I'd bet we'll see it copied in new youtube build videos, having this built in to me it is just common sense, because we are all struggling these past few years.
*btw, Right now the Seed Studio RPi5 water block is currently only $16 bucks (normally $20), this is only the block & the pads, screws, back plate, soft tube g1/4 connections, so everything but the pump, soft tubing, fan, & radiator.*
i bought your pi 4 case kit and it works really well thanks
That's still how I daily drive my Pi 4 and Pi 5
Is it a fair comparison when yours only covers the CPU while the commercial unit also covers the other two devices?
Yours is the OG flux capacitor. It looks like they tried to copy yours.
Well done Michael 👋
Is there an update on your DIY Solution for Water Cooling? I'm new to Pi 5 so always looing for new ways to enjoy my Pi 5.
awesome video! i dont know much about the water cooling as im just getting into this hobby and i will be buying this system. so i have a noobie question for you lol, do you use just plain water with some sort of coloring or do u put actual rad coolent in her?
It's best to put proper PC coolant into the loop as this has anti-corrosion and anti-microbial properties. Water is fine for experimentation for a day or two but not for long term use.
@@MichaelKlements awesome thanks dude!
Super duper dope my South African brother 🔥🚀
Have a great week ans stay awesome ❤
Thank you, you too!
i got a cooler for my pi 5 its not the active cooler but mine doesnt even hit 70C with it. well worth the 6 dollars lol
I am just curious is it possible to replace the fan and use another one that is more quiet? I did my own water cooling solution for CM4 by copying your DIY project for CM4 and since then I am a fan of water cooling. However it was expensive. 120 USD is much more below the price I achieved when I built my own project. So almost in the same price I can buy Raspberry Pi 5 in Poland. Raspberry is cheaper a little bit (few bucks less). However I would like to see a case for Raspberry Pi 5 with water cooling, similar to the one you made for CM4.
Yes you can replace the fan, it's just a standard 12V 120mm PC fan. It's not the fan that is the problem though, its the return line to the reservoir that makes the most noise on the unit.
If you're buying premium PC parts then the costs quickly exceed $120 but you should be able to put something together for less than that. IFrom memory my water loop parts cost about $60 and then the acrylic, heatsink and thermal pads cost about another $10 so the DIY solution is a little more than half the price.
I think your kits looks better. I get flack all the time for using 52pi ice tower coolers on my Pi4 and Pi5s from facebook groups saying "do you think this like an intel cpu, its only a raspberry pi" but i dont care...if they running cooler then why not! Never water cooled a Pi before but it looks like fun to try.
I agree, I use an Ice Tower on my main Pi 4 and Pi 5 in my desktop case design. It's probably overkill but it keeps the Pi nice and cool and looks good too. Water cooling is definitely not necessary, it's only really beneficial for a cluster of Pis.
Hi @Michael Klements, I know you've built a cool case for a beelink mini pc in the past. Ryzen processors in these mini pc's are becoming a lot better, and also produce a lot more heat. Would you consider building a water cooling solutions for one? Nothing like this exists on TH-cam currently, and these mini pc's are becoming increasingly popular, and besides the fans can be obnoxiously loud under load! Cheers
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have a look into a water cooled mini PC project
Hello Michael, i really like your videos, i wish i could get in touch with you to talk about a weather station project very similar to one you uploaded a while ago on your channel.
Water cooling with a table fan?
I want some of this green power in a nespi case 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Interested in a DIY kit
Shouldn't the baseline be w/o cooling?
If the test can't be complete on the Pi 5 without cooling then we can't use that as a baseline - it thermal throttles after half a minute. The only useful information we get from that test is - don't do the test without cooling.
did you use antifreeze
Yes this is just antifreeze
Agreed that they should've used an Al block. For an RPi, there really isn't much benefit of Cu over Al.
It's a hilarious product and I love it. Totally fun overkill for a single RPi but a pretty good idea for clusters.
My RPI5 also can't stay at 3GHz stably though it can do 2.9GHz all day long. RPi5 is still in early production with rev. 1 boards, so I think later ones will hit 3GHz just fine (much like my early RPi4 can't hit 2.4GHz, but my later two run 2.4GHz just fine). I'm sure >3GHz will be unlocked at some point, too, either via hack or firmware update.
An aluminium block would have still looked good and we're already so far down the road of overkill that Cu vs Al doesn't matter anymore.
I've only got two Pi 5's so far, one doesn't boot at all at 3Ghz and the other boots but if you put any load on it then it crashes. Hopefully I'll be luckier with some new ones in future!
I see this being the best effective option for clustered applications but
It's ridiculous to have this on a single Pi.
By the way, who, how or where did you manufacturered your kits ??
It is ridiculous for a single Pi, much better suited to a cluster. I made the kit myself, it just laser cut acrylic.
Please building a CyberDeck with a Raspberry Pi sir.
I have built a couple of CyberDecks, take a look through some of my older videos. I've got a laser cut compact one and one built into a rugged pelican case.
"promosm" 😥
Why though? Just buy a real computer at this point
Huh? Why though. Just water cool your raspberry, because you can.
This is definitely a "because you can" project, it is not cost effective nor does it provide much benefit for a single Pi. As I've said in the video, the $5 active cooler is good bang for your buck and works well even on an overclocked Pi.
Here's a why for ya. I'm integrating a pi with a cooled bed. Since the bed is liquid cooled, why not just plumb in the pi???
Oh and the og cooler DOESN'T handle an OpenCV compile without going over 70c in a stock case.😢Granted this is below throttle limit, but why push it.
@@silverwinterstorm69You're just working around the limitations of using the wrong tool for the job at that point then...
Because you can.