No, actually that would be greed at the expense of human democratic need. All your politicians are wefygl infiltrators or they're bought or blackmailed into submission. There has been nothing 'stupid' about that agenda.
Stupid is believing that this is studipidity from the European politicians, this is a plan thoroughl executed, and directed by that big country at the other side of the atlantic.
Am from Uganda, we also ask the same question. How did Europe become so stupid. Germany in particular stands out since most people here heard about what happened to nordstream and how Germany took it bending. Unbelievable! And yes, russia is really popular this side
As a German, I have the same questions as you. I cannot believe how stupid, incompetent, and corrupt our leaders are, and that still so many people vote for them (ok, they vote for different parties, but they are all from the same corrupt and incompetent "cartels"). Ok, new parties who reject the old elites are now at approx 20-30%...but still not enough to change the country's fate.
The good people convinced themselves that they are the cause of climate change and they will do anything to reverse that natural phenomenom. In essence, that is the cause of many things. People that believe the climate nonsense also believe in the tooth fairy and Russia Bad....
The clown show get's worse, after being humiliated in the EU elections Beerbock 360° wants to be chancellor :D. My guess is too many drugs in those elite parties and the brain can only take so much.
I wish that was true in total. The oligarchs and wealthy thrive happily in this dream whilst the screw the rest of us into struggling against poverty. The nightmare is watching people buy into the nightmare for peanuts and using credit to live fake dream lives. Meanwhile the Dream is truly buried for the majority, and was always.
I wish I could shed a tear for Europe, the UK and the US, we have all earned our fate, Recession to Depression, we will all suffer due to our leaders policies, and our laziness in holding them to account
Well said. I give us one chance in four of still being alive by Christmas. Our so-called leaders have two crappy pairs in their hand and Russia has a full house. And President Putin knows their hand is garbage.
That's a bit harsh. Here in the UK, for example, many people's education is not very good, and the mainstream media do a poor job. How can democracy work well in those circumstances? The first-past-the-post system militates against change. If you write to your MP you'll probably just get some bland, stock reply, if they reply at all.
Exactly, I live in the U.K. and I’m seeing this country get demonstrably poorer year on year. Only a few places like London seem to keep chugging along but the rest of the country is depressingly stagnant.
It's due to the changes in laws that have taken place over the past 40 years or so. Turning into a fertile ground for private/mafia like finance capitalism misbehaviour. And since finance determines politics.... the rest is easy to explain, or imagine.
I'm Russian, I live in Italy and I see that people absolute ignoring whats happening. I think its because several generations here enjoyed quiet life, high level of economy, so they complete do not care what the politicians are doing on their behalf. One day they will have to wake up, hope it will be not too late..
And those who cares, they feel themselves so helpless. I have friends in Europe and they tell me that they do not want to read news anymore because it only makes them feel anxious and depressed as they can not do nothing.
I'm afraid it is already too late. (Western) Europe suffers from a deep spiritual misery and a mental haze. Yes, there are some healthy streams in its respective societies, but I don't believe they are strong enough. Europe will be dissolved in the sea of newarrivals from Africa and Middle East. Not to mention the economic downfall. It's going to be spectacular.
True that. “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”, G. Michael Hopf. Unfortunately it seems we cannot escape this cycle.
I love Russia and Russians, but here in Italy we see that politicians are not trustworthy and once they are voted they keep changing and do not keep promises. A lot of them are ignorant and I do not feel represented by them. Diplomacy seems dead.
Old friends of mine act in hostility when I advocate negotiation with Russia. Then they expose all their ignorance about the world beyond the "west". They claim China is a hellhole with mass poverty. I have lived in China for decades and know this isn't true, but old friends of mine in the EU cling to this surrealism. It is abject delusion.
NATO 's war on Ukraine. Germany is a NATO member. How can it be nutural? Nato, this paper tiger offensive alliance is a military... How can Germany be nutural?
Follow the money - the US sitting on the big money and the big guns makes it difficult for people in government to really stand up for long-term decisions or the kind of strategic planning that would benefit their own country (rather than NATO, the US and some hazy global elite).
I am part of people on the street in germany. What you think about people like me is completely false. I have no prejudices against russia and I am well informed about all what happened in ukraine. We had a time in germany, when the government said, we want a good neighborhood to russia. Many people still want this, but the government has changed and now they obey the US-doctrin of hostile competition to russia.
Gentlemen, thank you... I am not a scholar. I am from the States and one of the first of the BabyBoomer Generation. Because of the sorry state of education and corporate media saturation, Americans really do think this is all just a movie... Out of curiosity about the world, I visited Berlin in 1972. I visited again in Dec89 to see the Wall come down. We smoked and drank and talked about a bright future... It seemed like the only people worried were the “Joint Chiefs at the Pentagon.” The US did not read the writing on the ruins of the Berlin Wall. They chose unilateralism instead of building a new world. Because people ignore our own history, they do not see the dreadful irony of current events. Early on in this conflict, I commented that we were digging up the ghosts of WW2. This was the lands of the Death Camps for anyone who would not conform. An independent Ukraine presented a strategic opportunity for US/NATO as suggested in Zbigniew Brzeziński's 1997 book, "The Grand Chessboard" where he suggests using Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia. How is this different than Hitler infamously saying, "We only have to kick in the door...", about the invasion of the Soviet Union. Was he (and the Nazis) alone in viewing the USSR as unstable and "rotten"? I would think that Germany would owe Russia a debt of gratitude for not blocking re-unification and yet it is German tanks rolling East through the Ukraine. What's more disturbing is when I try to look at both sides of the situation, I am shouted down with angry hostility... So much for democracy. Gentlemen, because of the pervasive nature of corporate propaganda and the passive complacency of people, we desperately need you!
Yes that’s it in a nutshell. It is people’s fault for being led by the nose by the corporate media govts have a Mafia outlook in the way they run society particularly America
@@Larkinchance Hitler's rise, I suspect was about the west expanding its colonial rule to more lands and Russia was the prime target. No wonder western leaders hate Russia who is now organising and aiding Southern nations who want to be truly free and sovereign nations.
Larkinchance - hello, Italian baby-boomer here living in the U.K. I entirely concur with your observations, including what you say about Germany's moral debt towards Russia. You expressed your points eloquently indeed. I would add what we, the pro real democracy non conformists lack is a cogent strategy to accelerate the growth of awareness in the silent masses. YT le tires and discussions are too slow as instruments go. It would be great if we could bring the debate to such grounded level. Thank you , Pascal and thank you Ezequiel 🙏🙏
The fact that Russia was not invited to the 80th anniversary celebration despite the Ukraine conflict is a testament to our awareness of history and the greatness of being able to separate things from one another. Another chapter of Western arrogance. Extremely shameful when you think of the approximately 27 million dead Russians who deserved to be remembered.
To play devil's advocate, the Russians would have used the opportunity propagandistically to paint the current conflict as just a new fight against Nazism.
@@2138Dude yeah thats beyond stupid actually, but hey at least you can repeat things you hear on your media. You cant seem to think if what you hear makes any sense, but a career as parrot is very much open for you
Guys, nobody gets that stupid so quickly, from a society that should be well educated, unless they chose to be. Usually due to a sufficiently strong motivation to choose to be stupid.
What education? Gender studies? Ideology studies? A society that claims and believes man can get pregnant, and millions of genders and ate float can not be so bright. As great Goege Carling said, garbage into the system, garbage out. Couple that with arrogance, hypocrisy, and supremacy complex syndrome of West.
It's ignorance born of apathy. The apathy is the recognition of the corruption inherent in the system. The population cannot effect progress, so why pay attention.
Motivation is or was education, by manipulation, disinformation. This is old story fight for control, supremacy, resources, power. People are easy to manipulate by fear and pride is easy step to stupidity. I seen our present in Sci fi movies in the past, people with pink, blue hair, too many tattoos, piercings, earth destroyed by humans ruled by criminals, gangs fighting for water food, fuel. Can be done by stealing elections, blackmail, threats, imposing people who will follow any agenda people who sell them for money and those are slaves.
Yep the EU leader Ursula Vander Loser, and NATO's Chief Jens Stolenberg has been smoking too much of this stuff as well - th-cam.com/video/PCqSIchEgg0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=NewRidersOfThePurpleSage-Topic
Wish I could share your optimism about ordinary voters. In recent EU elections here in Ireland we voted for equivalent of three Of Neros' horses. Individuals with zero political experience but had some name recognition. Absolutely embarrassing to hear them interviewed after elections. As I call them, INCITATUS 1,2 AND 3. They will all do as they are told and not a functional brain cell between them but we voted out Clare Daly and Mick Wallace two of the most intelligent MEPS in EU. Shameful.
You have my complete sympathy and agreement. I can't believe that you lost Clare and Mick, 2 treasures!!!!! Everything now is corrupt and everyone is BOUGHT as they are all sycophants. Not a brain cell, or ounce of honesty and integrity either.
Yeah ive watched Clare and Mick in parliamentary replies or comments and they are working for their people and their country and for the good of humankind as against the OLIGARCH's PUPPETS.
But who programmed the education systems, the frivolous distraction devices or captured the media to spread nothing but propaganda of national and global division and lies.... the arrogant elites. All of this has been a long term agenda fabricated by the organized spoiled arrogant against the entirety of formerly free humankind.
I'm Russian, I live in Moscow. I am curious to see how Europe, which has kept the whole world in fear for more than 500 years, possessing communal colonies, first lost all its colonies, and now has become a colony of the USA. This is the result of pseudo-democracy, elections are won not by the most worthy candidate, but by the richest. Only money wins elections. That's the result you got.
Sweden has signed the DCA agreement, which means that the US has gained access to all of Sweden's bases And can build 17 own military bases. I can't put into words how pissed off I am 🤬🤬🤬
@@escapetheratracenow9883 No, they/we didn't get any (it was run through a debate in parliament yesterday, but that was just a rubberstamp show; the deal had been waterproofed several months ago, just like with the rapid-fire NATO memebership bid two years ago. Both the government coalition and the opposition (the parties behind the former government that left off in September 2022) were united behind the deal, so it was open and shut that it was gonna pass with a huge majority. And the contents of it had mostly been kept out of the media until just two months ago. There's been very little public debate about it: when the government, the oppositon and the news media are all behind it, you hit a wall of silence if you try to discuss stuff like this. I too feel it was a day of shame, our politicians have sold us out and they even did it cheaply.
I'm an old American guy living in Russia (since the end of USSR) agreeing with you smart young guys from Argentina and Switzerland living in Germany and Japan. I'd like to be as hopeful as Pascal (and people like Jeffrey Sachs who is only 10 years younger than I am), but when I talk with my friends and relatives in USA I'm concerned that the Argentine's pessimism is justified -- but let's get together and direct things in the direction of peace.
@@alestbest Maybe I am crazy, soon I travel back to USA to attend a family reunion. There I will try to carefully talk with my more open minded friends and relatives without causing a problem for anyone -. Ideally even contribute international peace and understanding.
i don't think it's necessarily that the western body politic is stupid so much as it is that the average person has had the scope of their worldview reduced by the material demands of quotidian life in the face of steadily declining quality of life over the last two decades spending most of your time barely fighting off precariousness tends to contract one's vision regarding the global picture and how the struggles of one's own mundane existence fits into that picture
@@alestbest More Americans voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016, in terms of absolute numbers. This is after the farcical handling of Covid and the unsuccessful trade war against China. This may be freedom but it's certainly not intelligence.
Supposed - that is right. Russia has already overtaken Germany as the largest economy in Europe. In fact, according to the World Bank, Russia has the 4th largest economy in the world, after China, US and India.
@@Gunni1972 The questions are: 1. Why is Germany still using the said Constitution! 2. Why is Germany still allowing 30000-35000 U.S. soldiers in Germany? Germany never had autarchy even during the Nazi era!
@@Gunni1972 Countries like Japan and Germany are still under occupation by US troops. Their politicians have no choice but to follow US foreign policies, or get overthrown.
European leaders are like Olaf Scholz to varying degrees. Scholz couldn't even let out a whimper over the sabotage of Nord Stream. He is brainless, spineless, gutless and ballless.
Yep, the backdoor influence of the US on European policy-making is huge (both in Brussels and on the national government level) and rarely acknowledged. Also, many people in the Euro political elite have swallowed the idea that "we have to keep the Americans on board at all costs, they're our guarantee" (or even "the Leader of the Free World". Ever since WW2, the US is sitting on the Big Money and the Big Guns in relation to Europe while the latter is also where a major conflict with the Russians could erupt -, of course all of this puts Europe in an uneasy position vs America - it drives politicians here to constantly "beggar the Big Guys across the Pond" to somehow feel they can remain safe. Many Americans have been saying that "well, well, clearly Europe is willing to suffer a bit for the sake of helping our Ukrainian brothers" - but in reality, the show of support behind Ukraine two years ago was about loyalty to the US much more than about "Europe loves Kiev" - and this support was always tied in with the idea that it was going to be a fairly quick war which would not pull the West openly into the fighting. NATO expected Elensky to be able to beat Russia within six months or so if he just got enough support, weapons and sanctions. That was a massive miscalculation, but the EU has just doubled down on its political backings for the unrealistic claims from Kiev and Brussels. Really, they have painted themselves into a corner!
In the 70's the "Containment Policy" meant confining the Soviet Union and Communist China. Now the "Containment Policy" means confining the opinions of the "elites".
It's extremely straight-forward. After 1991 Europe no longer was a vital ally to the US, but an asset and POTENTIAL RIVAL. Once you understand that, everything from the creation of the EU to contemporary conflicts in Ukraine will start to make sense to you.
And before 1991, Eastern Europe was effectively under USSR domination and influence. And we all know how "good" the times were during Cold War. Better be under US influence than under Russian. At least the Americans use vasseline :D
Or they choose not to know. As a British citizen, what needs to be pointed out is the passing of British Imperialism, when the B. Empire was on its last legs at the end of the C19th and early C20th, to America. Cecil Rhodes and Alfred Milner (an important strategist) formed their Round Table around 1900, which foresaw that the old colonial Empire would not last, and presided over decisions to 'move the capital of Empire from London to Washington'. Thus was born the trans-Atlantic Anglo-American 'special relationship'. In this, it could be said that America inherited a 'Russo-phobia' from Britain, always seeing it as a threat to their interests. This, British conservatives have never been able to let go of, in spite of most British people getting on with life - the Empire was ancient history to them like all other European colonial empires. After WW2, it was evident the Empire was truly over, but even so there came a succession of aged aristocratic Prime Ministers right up to 1964 (one brief exception was the socialist Labour Party govt of 1945-51), whose birth, background and way of thinking was rooted in the early C20th and Empire - including the aged Churchill. In 1956, the same year as the Hungarian Uprising by chance, a British Prime Minister Antony Eden made a foolish, and in the end, embarrassing decision to intervene in Egypt over the possession of the Suez Canal. It all blew up in his face, with public protests against the outmoded imperialistic sabre rattling. It failed - but more importantly, the U.S.A. for its own interests first made it absolutely clear that it would not support the British (to PM Eden's shock and chagrin), and then gave the signals to the British establishment that from now on, America would be Leader and Britain would follow its coat tails - not the other way round. The next Prime Minister, McMillan, is famous for the phrase, ''We'll just have to be the Greeks to their Romans'', meaning (and the aristocracy were well-trained - like Boris Johnson - in their Classical history), that like the ancient Greeks, they had been superseded by the Romans. In a perfect reversal of 1956, PM Tony Blair followed President Bush with an invasion of Iraq in 2003. The similarity of these two incidents is absolutely striking - for both were founded on lies and cover-ups, and this time (Iraq, 2003) the public indignation was immense - the public demonstrations and protests against the war, actually the largest ever seen in London, with it is estimated, possibly as many as a million people involved. Even so - Tony Blair went ahead! His name is blackened, and he dare not show his face on TV in Britain to this day. Thus, supposed British democracy - many of us feel - still thinks it has carte blanche when it comes to foreign policy, as indeed does Washington and its treatment of the American public opinion. I rest my case for the prosecution.
Great guy Olof Palme. That's why they killed him. I'm a Spaniard and I was only ten when he was killed, but I learnt about it later on in my life while reading about Operation Gladio.
One of the biggest problem with usa and uk especially is that lobbyist roaming the corridor of power. Always there.always unelected. Take the british parliament and the speaker of the house. He decides what questions will be addressed in parliament. If he decides that george Galloway for instance is too smart with salient points he will simply not allow him to stay on his feet and ask awkward questions. What happens behind the scenes the speaker fraternises with both parties. AND. Most likely with the lobbyists. Who are so heavily biased towards the people who control the land of baby jesus
@@alanhamford2538... ELITE POLITICIANS CAN ONLY CORRUPTION FOR 2 TERMS ONLY....SCAMS AS MUCH AD POSSIBLE..... DON'T ALLOW THE POLITICAL PARTIES TO SELECT CANDIDATES.....
@user-ce6zp7pg1n, EU is almost unanimously supporting Ukraine economically and militarily. Putin will march forward until he will stopped by a mighty military force. The Ukrainian army might be that force, of the West will support it enough strongly. Glory to Ukraine ! Glory to the heroes !
Thank you, both. Pascal you are correct when you say that "it mentally hurts". I am so grateful to have your podcast in my life; we are not alone. I hope that people will awake from their slumbers but it may be when it's too late. As the English poet, T.S. Eliot said, 'humankind cannot bear much reality." No truer words have been spoken. Looking forward to your next podcast. From a fellow European living in Japan.
Reality for Westerners has always been a profoundly antihuman, undemocratic, privilege (private law, literally) and privation regime in various guises. I don’t blame anyone for not being able to bear that.
This is one of the best discussions I have heard. Why is it that such sensible people are in that part of the world, like Jacques Baud, yet idiotic behaviour prevails?
Fantastic discussion!! How do you manage to get such deep and sensitive thinkers - who are able to perceive the departure of common sense by EU leadership. Wish some of your guests were leading their respective countries- the world would have a chance from the brink of annihilation that the US is nudging the EU towards.
Germany - and the way the society is viewing this conflict in Ukraine, as well in Palestine, shows exactly how whole volks can be directed and mislead if you don't have free media. Our media is so concentrated in so very view hands and thats the main reason, they carry on follow their political leaders. Obviously they only going to wake up and follow approved partly old good values, after the big bang. Sadly
@flyingsnow311 the reason is different: reality has shown that the Germans have not changed since the time of the Third Reich. That is why, 80 years later, German tanks are again in the Donbass - the Germans have gathered again and are committing “Drang nach Osten”.
And yet, this shows that Stalin was the most holy and humane leader in the history of mankind - allowing the Germans to exist. And as it turned out, he was wrong.
No, it wasn't thus bad before , we always at least were fearful of the USSR response. Now they see Russia as if it is an irelivent matter. So so dangerous. 😔 😡
That's the best summation. They dismiss Russia as a threat, imagining Russia as 'a gas station masquerading as a state'. They don't realise you can't push around peripheral states any more because, as we all know, the centre has moved to the periphery.
And their dismissal of Russia was all based on faulty assessments on the size of the Russian economy... Assessed by the same people who were surprised by the 2008 economic collapse! 💕
I wonder, what is western economy? Financial panzy scheme and service economy. Europe, the most natural resources poor part of the world. And this anti Russia, russophobia Clearfield that Europe needs Russia, not Russia Europe. Because has the essential of life. Food and energy. There are always customers for that. Plus, don't westerners never learn from history? How many times west has tried to colonize Russia to loot its natural resources? And how many times they got their asses handed to them. 😆 🤣
This is what happens when you allow another country to pay for all your military defenses for decades - they get to dictate what they want to do with your military!
Very good discussion. I was in Berlin in October of 2022. The problems Germany has were palpable then. I cannot explain all of what I saw there, but here is one example which somewhat disputes what Mr. Bistoletti is saying in that the German people know what is going on and give tacit approval. I visited 5 countries well after Covid was over, and many of us were on to what that debacle meant. In 4 out of the 5 countries I visited in Europe, literally no one was wearing masks. But in Berlin, masks were required on public transportation. All the Berliner sheep sat on the trains and buses happily wearing masks and staring straight ahead. There were other things that troubled me, but while on a German train in Berlin, the vision of Germans waving little flags and welcoming Hitler kept going through my head, except that in the place of the German flag, these sheep were waving the Ukrainian flag, which flew above all the German government buildings, replacing the German flag. I hated Berlin and could not wait to leave. I criticize my fellow Americans as well, but the Germans, and not just the government officials, are very troubled people, in my opinion. Scholz should have been removed from office immediately after Nord Stream was destroyed. You could never convince me that he knew about the impending destruction and was entirely complicit. Yet, the German people do nothing. As bad as the US is today, we would not tolerate this. Indeed, we would not.
I agree 💯%.. and that's also the case for the British, the French, the Spanish, the Scandinavian countries. Italy, Austria, Greece are not that bad apparently.
We Germans have lost all sense of patriotism after WW2. We shamed ourselves so much that what was left of us after the war, was to be the defeated and separated into zones of the Allied occupying powers, who exerted their influence on us. When you have been defeated as thoroughly as us as a populace, you welcome your "liberators" and presumably do everything you can to "never again" be seen in the world as ruled by tyrants. Unlike the Russians, who never made a secret of the fact that their occupation was not a friendly act against the Germans, the Americans and British handled it very differently. They allowed their English and American soldiers to fraternise with the population and managed to turn "German-American" friendship into a catchphrase and a way of life. While the Russians had orders to shoot at the German-German border. But while the Russians did not prevent German reunification after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the other occupying powers never gave up their stationing. The Russians withdrew behind their own borders, and they probably never really trusted that Nato would not be expanded eastwards after all. And they were right. Relations between Russia and Germany, which began after reunification as a German-Russian friendship, disturbed the interests of those who were against it. The phenomenon that we Germans, who have learnt to believe that we will "never again allow a tyrannical regime", is probably precisely the reason why the population is unable to imagine that the masks and all the measures taken from 2020 onwards were not well-meaning and not committed to this mantra of "never again". The ordinary person on the street believes that this goal is also anchored in the elites, while people in the east in particular believe that the elites have no interest in the people at all, which seems to be much closer to the truth. I am simplifying here. Our media holds us in a bubble. We are not aware that Europe is being named as a "lost cause" and that there "is no point of return" for us to our former state of economy, since you mentioned North Stream. It's just one factor. But even after having said that, I am no one to claim to see through the things.
@@ERH-ph5gb Please speak for yourself. I am A German and I don't feel any guild about our german history. I am an honest and decent person, that if anything else, deserves an apology. We are the ones that fund the bill. Billions of our money is going every year to Israel. I am so tired. no longer listen to what people call us. I am tired of explaining myself.Our generation of Germans has become a scapegoat. The other day I watched on Google an Israeli man spitting on a German clergy. I was so disgusted by what I saw that I had to write a reply. I stated how I felt in very polite terms and was immediately threatened. Should this kind of reply appear again , I would be blocked from TH-cam. I was so shocked and at the same time not surprised. Western society has stooped down so much, it is hard to believe that one is part of this madness. I will always speak my mind. If I have to be blocked it is not because I am rude, it simply because I don't give in to liberal values. Not going to happen.
Yes, but there was also education, equality, independence, freedom, the opportunity to express yourself, earn a decent living, women having the right to work. At one point, a sort of trustworthy legal system, increasing life expectancy. Sure the CRT proponents (part of this problem) would say the west is pure evil, but that is only one sided. Find me a culture/group/nation of humans anywhere on this planet who isn’t as equally flawed as they are good. We’re all imperfect.
@@bt6904 everything you listed is just false propaganda designed to brainwash the oppressed masses. None of the above has ever existed in reality - that is why the West is degrading before our eyes.
I am also living in Germany, and this is exactly my view of the German society and political elite. Germany has a rather abscent political instinct, and the political enthusm is often satisfied with lamenting circumstances, not discussing solutions or constructive ideas. And although Germans are very intelligent people it is absolutely perplexing that the niveau of the political understanding seams to be extremely simplified and the people do not long for a level of discussion that would be more respectfull towards there understanding. At the same time we are living a time loop regarding information, struggling to catch up with the last 30 years in witch the world developed forword but many German people do not know or car. It is not tha seldom to meet with even educated and wealthy people that believe there are no TVs in Russia or that Chinese nearly all live in poor places planting rice, regardless that some of the cities in these countries are much more technologically advanced than Berlin, Hamburg or Munich. Sadly the still is some sort of superiority complex in Germany regarding the global margiority, I feel like German people think that the know better than countries that have another option. Maybe these factors contribute to the blindness of there leaders incompetence (not all Germans of course). Until this things are better understood I fear there is no better way for us, and when it happens it could be to late. Honestly I know a lot of people who try to migrate from here... Quite sad, really because I still love Germany and it's people but the future looks more bleak every day - although this is felt, it is also generally deniad.
I have worked with ethnic Germans and I always hated and called them out on their idea that they are the smartests ones who know everything and have all the answers while they live in a literal shitshow of a society that they themselves created and either refuse to see it or are stupid to see it. I fought with them many times about all the muslim migration, because we had historic experience with muslim colonization for 500 years, telling them it will backfire horrendously to which they tried to convince me how it’s all going to work out and they will all “integrate”. Well, we see how that worked out. Now you have neither secure streets, nor money, nor culture, nor a national state anymore.
i am german and your analysis is point on, I grew up in the 80s and i‘m just stunned what is happening here it seems as if a kind of mental illnes virus has befallen especially the former west germans, i live also in the west, i really hope there is some sort of cure for that although hope is fading
07:11 I'm from Portugal, and I remember back in the 90's, with the the fall of the Berlin wall, there was still a German division. There were differences in salaries between germans, discrimination between germans etc.
@@michaelwills1926 You must be one of those just sitting around mentioned in the video. Nice of you to blame who you put in power and support with your silence and passivity.
@@AlexDrastico380The only thing you can ellevt is the parliamennntn everything else is elecvvted by brrrocrats and you have the nerve to blame the people?
Pascal is an excellent thinker and orator. Thanks from the UK for waking us up from the slumber and alerting us to the dangerous reality we were "drugged" into accepting without consent.
Two of my posts have already been deleted. Let's try for third time lucky. "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein.
Great channel. Thanks. I want to remind, that during the infamous decade of cruel dictatorships in Latin America (supporting by US), Russia was a friendly country. In fact, not the boogeyman for many people in the Global South
A very good conversation and great insight into the political situation in Europe. For me personally, the current situation reminds me the times of the Soviet Union. Throughout my childhood and teenage years,(born in 70’s) I was indoctrinated that our biggest enemy is America and that we must constantly arm our country because the US wants to start a nuclear war. Nowadays our greatest enemy is Russia, which also wants to start a nuclear war. Experiencing the same slogans and talks in two different eras gives me only one certainty: pathology begins to be created when politics turns into pure propaganda. And the best is the fear based propaganda, because then you can do whatever you want with the scared people. Greetings from Poland
I have to totally agree with Bistoletti. I've been living in Germany for nearly 30 years now. The lack of interest, lack of knowledge and lack of care about imporant present world events taking place at the moment is disturbing and disappointing. One also shouldn't forget that on ALL MSM channels Germans are not allowed to comment. Comment sections are always turned off and have been for years now.!!!!!
What most people miss in this conflict is that Ukraine has trillion$ of worth lithium and other rare earth elements, the US passionately wants it before Russia or China takes it. The grain is NOT that important!
As Lindsey Graham said recently on CBS “Ukraine is sitting on top of 10-12 trillion dollars in minerals and we are not going to give it to the Russians and Chinese”
I'm from '74 and I'm really struggling to find out when this "stupidization" of the society began. I think im the late 90's....but I would also ask what happened and is still happening in Argentina....
They are actually butlers and maids for Washington .... Technocrats at least know how to do simple math. Consult 360 Anna Baerbock on the secrets of the circle.... 🙂
We are witnessing the decline of an empire that is living in the past (the 1990s) and the death of neoliberalism/neoconservatism - and these people are not going to go down without a fight. Europe is terrified of an EU without the US hovering in the background as a protector. Australia is very much the same. We are terrified that we might have to take on an enemy without the US flying to our rescue. Both parties in power just do what the US tells us to do.
Mine post was deleted too. I wrote about an organisation called ELNET in Germany that has a similar function as AIPAC in America. Somehow nobody has ever heard about it.
It's been a pleasure to listen to you two. My compliments to both of you. You were talking sense right through. Though it is sometimes demanding and tiring to discuss politics with main-stream folks here, it is a relief to learn that out there in this world there are others who have recognized those "elites" as what they are: criminals. Greez with heart-felt sympathy from Germany
For me personally, COVID was a big awakening. As they say, "What else have they lied to me about?" So I've stumbled into an explosion of highly informative discussions, such as this one. After hearing nothing but lies all my life, this is an amazing and hopeful experience. Very energizing. There's a special power which truth wields; a power to make the hearer feel more alive. Lies are so stultifying!
Greetings from the Dominican Republic to all the sound people around the world. I'd like you, honorable guys, if possible for you in the near futyre, that you have a talk about how the International Comminity can help Haiti in its terrible situation that country is in now. Thanks a lot. Your talks are, as always, amazing.
I am a business economist and a psychological counselor and what I have been observing during the last 50 year from this point of view is,, that the structure of power as it is exerted in big firms has been transferred to how governments exert their power. And in fact this development startet and continued with the success of neoloberalism. And what I also have been observing is, that leaders with that kind of mindset are not corrigible. They only can be stopped by voting a party that stands for something completely different.
In theory, correct. But, every government is elected on the basis of the proposed program. If it does not implement the program based on which the incumbent won the elections, the voters have the right snd obligation to replace them without waiting for the elections.
This is a good channel. The host is skilled in getting the most out of his guests. He does not have to push too hard. He simply moves on to another well framed question.
Good to hear some younger people see what is going on. Media, politics and economic forces are all going in one direction, regardless of what normal people think and feel. C19 proved how easy it is to sway public opinion for or against something or someone.
This is such an excellent discussion. Your analysis of why Europe is following the US line is the first plausible explanation I have heard. I love the intelligent, unbiased, analytical, rational thinking.
Почему почти всегда обсуждается готовы (европа или страны европы) к войне с Россией? Задумайтесь о другом, а зачем Вам воевать с Россией? Россия не собирается воевать с Европой, ей это не нужно.
Leaders in the West are stupid (not stupid….power hungry narcissists) and 60% of the people in Europe have become weak, lazy with a total lack of critical thought. That’s how we walk into war. I saw it during Covid. They wanted to round people like me up for not taking the jab. People were turning on one another. Covid was the point where I realised how easily people are brainwashed and how dangerous it was not to think alongside the masses. It was at that moment that I understood how Hitler came about. Instil enough fear, establish the government as the saviour and people will literally do anything….
That was a fascinating discussion. I saw a video showing Ukrainian young men beaten up by the Ukrainian police (?) because they were trying to flee from being sent to the war - congratulations on the belief in "liberal democracy"! I think you need to have a debate with people who are going along with what may be called the neo-con mindset of "you are either with us or against us" to let some light of reason into the situation. The double standards between the situations in Gaza and Ukraine also need to be shouted louder.
Stupidity is an essential qualification to be a EU politician and law maker. 😂
No, actually that would be greed at the expense of human democratic need. All your politicians are wefygl infiltrators or they're bought or blackmailed into submission. There has been nothing 'stupid' about that agenda.
Stupid is believing that this is studipidity from the European politicians, this is a plan thoroughl executed, and directed by that big country at the other side of the atlantic.
Am from Uganda, we also ask the same question. How did Europe become so stupid. Germany in particular stands out since most people here heard about what happened to nordstream and how Germany took it bending. Unbelievable!
And yes, russia is really popular this side
As a German, I have the same questions as you. I cannot believe how stupid, incompetent, and corrupt our leaders are, and that still so many people vote for them (ok, they vote for different parties, but they are all from the same corrupt and incompetent "cartels"). Ok, new parties who reject the old elites are now at approx 20-30%...but still not enough to change the country's fate.
The good people convinced themselves that they are the cause of climate change and they will do anything to reverse that natural phenomenom.
In essence, that is the cause of many things. People that believe the climate nonsense also believe in the tooth fairy and Russia Bad....
Scholz is likely an American puppet and as such he dosn’t care about Germany or the German people.
East Germany joined with their anti-Russian mentality
The clown show get's worse, after being humiliated in the EU elections Beerbock 360° wants to be chancellor :D. My guess is too many drugs in those elite parties and the brain can only take so much.
The Great American Dream turned into a malevolent global nightmare.
It was a fairy tale to sell slavery in a new form. Wage and debt slavery.
I wish that was true in total. The oligarchs and wealthy thrive happily in this dream whilst the screw the rest of us into struggling against poverty. The nightmare is watching people buy into the nightmare for peanuts and using credit to live fake dream lives. Meanwhile the Dream is truly buried for the majority, and was always.
Yes, because Zionists and Freemasons have become drug addicts and aren't able to surface to a normal performance.
BS, pure BS
@@pip0109 The American dream for which you have to be asleep to believe it.
Stupidisation is a good word!
Das trifft den Nagel auf den Kopf.
I'm in agreement
more dumb and dumber leaders elected and leading the dumbest voters!
Stupidisation: a symptom of hegemonitis
Idiocracy was a documentary
I wish I could shed a tear for Europe, the UK and the US, we have all earned our fate, Recession to Depression, we will all suffer due to our leaders policies, and our laziness in holding them to account
Well said.
I give us one chance in four of still being alive by Christmas.
Our so-called leaders have two crappy pairs in their hand and Russia has a full house. And President Putin knows their hand is garbage.
That's a bit harsh. Here in the UK, for example, many people's education is not very good, and the mainstream media do a poor job. How can democracy work well in those circumstances? The first-past-the-post system militates against change. If you write to your MP you'll probably just get some bland, stock reply, if they reply at all.
European Governments cannot be held to account when they are not accountable to the public commonwealth but to private moneyed interests.
Exactly, I live in the U.K. and I’m seeing this country get demonstrably poorer year on year. Only a few places like London seem to keep chugging along but the rest of the country is depressingly stagnant.
It's due to the changes in laws that have taken place over the past 40 years or so. Turning into a fertile ground for private/mafia like finance capitalism misbehaviour. And since finance determines politics.... the rest is easy to explain, or imagine.
I'm Russian, I live in Italy and I see that people absolute ignoring whats happening. I think its because several generations here enjoyed quiet life, high level of economy, so they complete do not care what the politicians are doing on their behalf. One day they will have to wake up, hope it will be not too late..
And those who cares, they feel themselves so helpless. I have friends in Europe and they tell me that they do not want to read news anymore because it only makes them feel anxious and depressed as they can not do nothing.
I'm afraid it is already too late. (Western) Europe suffers from a deep spiritual misery and a mental haze. Yes, there are some healthy streams in its respective societies, but I don't believe they are strong enough. Europe will be dissolved in the sea of newarrivals from Africa and Middle East. Not to mention the economic downfall. It's going to be spectacular.
True that. “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”, G. Michael Hopf. Unfortunately it seems we cannot escape this cycle.
I love Russia and Russians, but here in Italy we see that politicians are not trustworthy and once they are voted they keep changing and do not keep promises. A lot of them are ignorant and I do not feel represented by them. Diplomacy seems dead.
Old friends of mine act in hostility when I advocate negotiation with Russia. Then they expose all their ignorance about the world beyond the "west". They claim China is a hellhole with mass poverty. I have lived in China for decades and know this isn't true, but old friends of mine in the EU cling to this surrealism. It is abject delusion.
Talk to the older east germans they are angry that Germany is not neutral with the war in Ukraine and extreemly extreemly angry at the arms delivery
NATO 's war on Ukraine. Germany is a NATO member. How can it be nutural? Nato, this paper tiger offensive alliance is a military... How can Germany be nutural?
That Reality was show on the EU Elections' results.
The East Germans might be the smarter Germans. I am former West German and truly believe this.
@@anitamenig or just more realistic 🙋
@@anafernandes225 what elections, you, zombie? The head of the European Union was simply appointed at a tea party - no one elected her.
Stupidization of Europe 😅 Yep and the UK is definitely in there.
Follow the money - the US sitting on the big money and the big guns makes it difficult for people in government to really stand up for long-term decisions or the kind of strategic planning that would benefit their own country (rather than NATO, the US and some hazy global elite).
do you think it is normal to have a PM tht is not British?
@@anasttau9908 As if Starmer doesnt have the same policies!
He is more British than the native@@anasttau9908
@hilp1993 UK is at the top of the list 😂.
I am part of people on the street in germany. What you think about people like me is completely false. I have no prejudices against russia and I am well informed about all what happened in ukraine. We had a time in germany, when the government said, we want a good neighborhood to russia. Many people still want this, but the government has changed and now they obey the US-doctrin of hostile competition to russia.
USA and AIPAC have gained complete might over the main parties and the mainstream-media in Germany.
Enjoy returning to your country being occupied by Russia. Your leaders will just move to greener pastures.
Like Italy.
Leider ist BRD noch immer von USA besetzt und bewältigt so wie noch viele andere Länder in EU und anderswo!
Meloni was all in from the start, Italianos were sleeping.
Gentlemen, thank you...
I am not a scholar. I am from the States and one of the first of the BabyBoomer Generation.
Because of the sorry state of education and corporate media saturation, Americans really do think this is all just a movie...
Out of curiosity about the world, I visited Berlin in 1972. I visited again in Dec89 to see the Wall come down. We smoked and drank and talked about a bright future... It seemed like the only people worried were the “Joint Chiefs at the Pentagon.”
The US did not read the writing on the ruins of the Berlin Wall. They chose unilateralism instead of building a new world.
Because people ignore our own history, they do not see the dreadful irony of current events. Early on in this conflict, I commented that we were digging up the ghosts of WW2. This was the lands of the Death Camps for anyone who would not conform.
An independent Ukraine presented a strategic opportunity for US/NATO as suggested in Zbigniew Brzeziński's 1997 book, "The Grand Chessboard" where he suggests using Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia. How is this different than Hitler infamously saying, "We only have to kick in the door...", about the invasion of the Soviet Union. Was he (and the Nazis) alone in viewing the USSR as unstable and "rotten"? I would think that Germany would owe Russia a debt of gratitude for not blocking re-unification and yet it is German tanks rolling East through the Ukraine.
What's more disturbing is when I try to look at both sides of the situation, I am shouted down with angry hostility... So much for democracy.
Gentlemen, because of the pervasive nature of corporate propaganda and the passive complacency of people, we desperately need you!
The US also regards the EU as a peer competitor. The destruction of NordeStream has returned the EU to vassal status.
Yes that’s it in a nutshell. It is people’s fault for being led by the nose by the corporate media govts have a Mafia outlook in the way they run society particularly America
@@Larkinchance
Hitler's rise, I suspect was about the west expanding its colonial rule to more lands and Russia was the prime target. No wonder western leaders hate Russia who is now organising and aiding Southern nations who want to be truly free and sovereign nations.
Larkinchance - hello, Italian baby-boomer here living in the U.K. I entirely concur with your observations, including what you say about Germany's moral debt towards Russia. You expressed your points eloquently indeed.
I would add what we, the pro real democracy non conformists lack is a cogent strategy to accelerate the growth of awareness in the silent masses. YT le tires and discussions are too slow as instruments go.
It would be great if we could bring the debate to such grounded level.
Thank you , Pascal and thank you Ezequiel 🙏🙏
@@Lalallalu thank you for the thoughtful response
The fact that Russia was not invited to the 80th anniversary celebration despite the Ukraine conflict is a testament to our awareness of history and the greatness of being able to separate things from one another. Another chapter of Western arrogance. Extremely shameful when you think of the approximately 27 million dead Russians who deserved to be remembered.
To play devil's advocate, the Russians would have used the opportunity propagandistically to paint the current conflict as just a new fight against Nazism.
Tells me that the West has always had a predilection towards fascism. Colonialism is driven by this fervour imo and they want to colonise Russia.
Agreed on every point besides the casualties were Soviets,not exclusively Russians.
Would you invite Hitler on celebration of 20th anniversary of WW1? Russia is today's third reich
@@2138Dude yeah thats beyond stupid actually, but hey at least you can repeat things you hear on your media. You cant seem to think if what you hear makes any sense, but a career as parrot is very much open for you
Guys, nobody gets that stupid so quickly, from a society that should be well educated, unless they chose to be. Usually due to a sufficiently strong motivation to choose to be stupid.
What education? Gender studies? Ideology studies? A society that claims and believes man can get pregnant, and millions of genders and ate float can not be so bright. As great Goege Carling said, garbage into the system, garbage out. Couple that with arrogance, hypocrisy, and supremacy complex syndrome of West.
It's ignorance born of apathy. The apathy is the recognition of the corruption inherent in the system. The population cannot effect progress, so why pay attention.
Remember when John Kerry told University students in Germany that Americans are FREE to be stupid ? Look it up.
Motivation is or was education, by manipulation, disinformation. This is old story fight for control, supremacy, resources, power. People are easy to manipulate by fear and pride is easy step to stupidity. I seen our present in Sci fi movies in the past, people with pink, blue hair, too many tattoos, piercings, earth destroyed by humans ruled by criminals, gangs fighting for water food, fuel. Can be done by stealing elections, blackmail, threats, imposing people who will follow any agenda people who sell them for money and those are slaves.
I have to say you're wrong about the English. Most believe everyhing the press and BBC tells them.
EU leaders left their balls in DC.
In Biden's pants. that's why he craps on them so often.
AND so many of the people themselves are utterly stupid and more concerned about garbage TV, celebrities et al.
Russia's leaders have no balls, they are cowards bullying their weaker neighbors just because they think they can.
So here we are: who're the worst?
😂 see Meloni.
Yep the EU leader Ursula Vander Loser, and NATO's Chief Jens Stolenberg has been smoking too much of this stuff as well - th-cam.com/video/PCqSIchEgg0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=NewRidersOfThePurpleSage-Topic
Wish I could share your optimism about ordinary voters. In recent EU elections here in Ireland we voted for equivalent of three Of Neros' horses. Individuals with zero political experience but had some name recognition. Absolutely embarrassing to hear them interviewed after elections. As I call them, INCITATUS 1,2 AND 3. They will all do as they are told and not a functional brain cell between them but we voted out Clare Daly and Mick Wallace two of the most intelligent MEPS in EU. Shameful.
You have my complete sympathy and agreement. I can't believe that you lost Clare and Mick, 2 treasures!!!!! Everything now is corrupt and everyone is BOUGHT as they are all sycophants. Not a brain cell, or ounce of honesty and integrity either.
Calicula is your Cesar! Great reference - thank you for your inspiring comments! 💕
Yeah ive watched Clare and Mick in parliamentary replies or comments and they are working for their people and their country and for the good of humankind as against the OLIGARCH's PUPPETS.
Exactly we deserve everything that it’s happening to us , we have the politicians we deserve, no excuse for vote out Clare
That's how democracy works everywhere and always.
It's just a very bad system.
It is a strange mix of growing ignorance and uncontrollable arrogance
Amen! It is like that here in the USA as well.
But who programmed the education systems, the frivolous distraction devices or captured the media to spread nothing but propaganda of national and global division and lies.... the arrogant elites. All of this has been a long term agenda fabricated by the organized spoiled arrogant against the entirety of formerly free humankind.
And controlled misinformation from our media.
I'm Russian, I live in Moscow. I am curious to see how Europe, which has kept the whole world in fear for more than 500 years, possessing communal colonies, first lost all its colonies, and now has become a colony of the USA. This is the result of pseudo-democracy, elections are won not by the most worthy candidate, but by the richest. Only money wins elections. That's the result you got.
You are right . West is suffer for shure
You know Russia an imperialstate, so dont come with this russian BS.
Why dont this Bissillito not living in the global south. The global south should perhaps solve its own problem….
Again the same BS about the elite
@@nkosipwlHe is not, he is just stating the facts. Wise up. 😂
Well it's the same be it US or Russia , oligarch in Russia billionaire in US.
Sweden has signed the DCA agreement, which means that the US has gained access to all of Sweden's bases And can build 17 own military bases. I can't put into words how pissed off I am 🤬🤬🤬
And US service personnel stationed in Sweden will be exempted from paying VAT.
Did the Swedish people get a say in any of this?
GZ for sweden oficialy become part of crumbling empire ..
Swedish people are the most unpoliticized ones. I have worked more than 30 years in Sweden but never heard my colleges talk politics.
@@escapetheratracenow9883 No, they/we didn't get any (it was run through a debate in parliament yesterday, but that was just a rubberstamp show; the deal had been waterproofed several months ago, just like with the rapid-fire NATO memebership bid two years ago. Both the government coalition and the opposition (the parties behind the former government that left off in September 2022) were united behind the deal, so it was open and shut that it was gonna pass with a huge majority.
And the contents of it had mostly been kept out of the media until just two months ago. There's been very little public debate about it: when the government, the oppositon and the news media are all behind it, you hit a wall of silence if you try to discuss stuff like this. I too feel it was a day of shame, our politicians have sold us out and they even did it cheaply.
those bases will be US territory in Sweden the traitors in the government is Giving away my countries Territory.
Ignorance is strength. War is peace.
And Putin is Bluffing...🤣
@@Gunni1972 Russians do NOT bluff.
Orwellian
@@Gunni1972 Putin means what he says. And he knows what to do.
I'm an old American guy living in Russia (since the end of USSR) agreeing with you smart young guys from Argentina and Switzerland living in Germany and Japan. I'd like to be as hopeful as Pascal (and people like Jeffrey Sachs who is only 10 years younger than I am), but when I talk with my friends and relatives in USA I'm concerned that the
Argentine's pessimism is justified -- but let's get together and direct things in the direction of peace.
I live in Switzerland, the stupidity of my fellow citizens is unbelievable. I envy you being able to live in freedom
@@alestbest Maybe I am crazy, soon I travel back to USA to attend a family reunion. There I will try to carefully talk with my more open minded friends and relatives without causing a problem for anyone -. Ideally even contribute international peace and understanding.
i don't think it's necessarily that the western body politic is stupid so much as it is that the average person has had the scope of their worldview reduced by the material demands of quotidian life in the face of steadily declining quality of life over the last two decades
spending most of your time barely fighting off precariousness tends to contract one's vision regarding the global picture and how the struggles of one's own mundane existence fits into that picture
@@alestbest More Americans voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016, in terms of absolute numbers. This is after the farcical handling of Covid and the unsuccessful trade war against China. This may be freedom but it's certainly not intelligence.
The Collective West is the Walking Dead
No tears shed for them
At all
It is not stupidity but corruption and arrogance .
Germany is a country with neither autonomy nor autarchy. That's quite baffling for a supposed largest economy in Europe!
Supposed - that is right. Russia has already overtaken Germany as the largest economy in Europe. In fact, according to the World Bank, Russia has the 4th largest economy in the world, after China, US and India.
After WW2 their new Constitution was done within a few weeks. Think they had help?
Check out the World Bank. Germany is NOT the largest economy in Europe - Russia is.
@@Gunni1972 The questions are: 1. Why is Germany still using the said Constitution! 2. Why is Germany still allowing 30000-35000 U.S. soldiers in Germany?
Germany never had autarchy even during the Nazi era!
@@Gunni1972 Countries like Japan and Germany are still under occupation by US troops. Their politicians have no choice but to follow US foreign policies, or get overthrown.
Shame on European Leaders in Africa!
We shame on them EVERYWHERE. They take themselves with them. And they are who they are.
@@Gunni1972 Absolutely true.
The globalists have failed.. NO ONE WORLD ORDER despise all the money they put in un all the NGOs to take over the world.
Really? Islamic slave empires of north africa took more european slaves than anywhere else.. F@@K africa
And NATO.
The US policy for Europe has always been the same : The US IN - Germany DOWN - Russia OUT.
I believe increasingly the policy for Western Europe has shifted to liquidation.
I agree@@BigChap117
@@BigChap117 Europe has no policy of it's own , it's Washington that decided to liquidate Europe ...like in 1939
They got that from the brits.
Its Europe down, not only Germany. Vassals never gets up. Its servants.
The only thing I can think of that explains european politicians behaviour is self-preservation and american blackmail.
European leaders are like Olaf Scholz to varying degrees. Scholz couldn't even let out a whimper over the sabotage of Nord Stream. He is brainless, spineless, gutless and ballless.
@patricklarsen. My 2 earlier posts agreeing with your sentiments were censored by UT. The truth must be contain.
Yep, the backdoor influence of the US on European policy-making is huge (both in Brussels and on the national government level) and rarely acknowledged. Also, many people in the Euro political elite have swallowed the idea that "we have to keep the Americans on board at all costs, they're our guarantee" (or even "the Leader of the Free World". Ever since WW2, the US is sitting on the Big Money and the Big Guns in relation to Europe while the latter is also where a major conflict with the Russians could erupt -, of course all of this puts Europe in an uneasy position vs America - it drives politicians here to constantly "beggar the Big Guys across the Pond" to somehow feel they can remain safe.
Many Americans have been saying that "well, well, clearly Europe is willing to suffer a bit for the sake of helping our Ukrainian brothers" - but in reality, the show of support behind Ukraine two years ago was about loyalty to the US much more than about "Europe loves Kiev" - and this support was always tied in with the idea that it was going to be a fairly quick war which would not pull the West openly into the fighting. NATO expected Elensky to be able to beat Russia within six months or so if he just got enough support, weapons and sanctions. That was a massive miscalculation, but the EU has just doubled down on its political backings for the unrealistic claims from Kiev and Brussels. Really, they have painted themselves into a corner!
In the 70's the "Containment Policy" meant confining the Soviet Union and Communist China. Now the "Containment Policy" means confining the opinions of the "elites".
self-preservation? where?
We do love your integrity and passion, Pascal, It is clear you care about truth and justice
To be precise, its “selective ignorance” they hear and react only to the information they seek
It's extremely straight-forward. After 1991 Europe no longer was a vital ally to the US, but an asset and POTENTIAL RIVAL. Once you understand that, everything from the creation of the EU to contemporary conflicts in Ukraine will start to make sense to you.
So goddamn rigt you are!!!
Yup and Goldman Sachs totalling the Euro by sneaking Greece in.
USA and UK have always been mortal enemies of Europe.
And before 1991, Eastern Europe was effectively under USSR domination and influence. And we all know how "good" the times were during Cold War. Better be under US influence than under Russian. At least the Americans use vasseline :D
Over 40,000 US troops in Germany - what do you expect?
The Germans once ate 40,000 American soldiers for breakfast. The people living in Germany today are not worthy of being called "Germans".
This channel is called NEUTRALITY studies ...To hide ( badly ) the fact that it's absolutely NOT neutral
Here in Italy people are not aware of the situation, the huge danger we are facing. I don't understand why people are so dormant.
EU leaders: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair
Or they choose not to know. As a British citizen, what needs to be pointed out is the passing of British Imperialism, when the B. Empire was on its last legs at the end of the C19th and early C20th, to America. Cecil Rhodes and Alfred Milner (an important strategist) formed their Round Table around 1900, which foresaw that the old colonial Empire would not last, and presided over decisions to 'move the capital of Empire from London to Washington'. Thus was born the trans-Atlantic Anglo-American 'special relationship'. In this, it could be said that America inherited a 'Russo-phobia' from Britain, always seeing it as a threat to their interests. This, British conservatives have never been able to let go of, in spite of most British people getting on with life - the Empire was ancient history to them like all other European colonial empires. After WW2, it was evident the Empire was truly over, but even so there came a succession of aged aristocratic Prime Ministers right up to 1964 (one brief exception was the socialist Labour Party govt of 1945-51), whose birth, background and way of thinking was rooted in the early C20th and Empire - including the aged Churchill. In 1956, the same year as the Hungarian Uprising by chance, a British Prime Minister Antony Eden made a foolish, and in the end, embarrassing decision to intervene in Egypt over the possession of the Suez Canal. It all blew up in his face, with public protests against the outmoded imperialistic sabre rattling. It failed - but more importantly, the U.S.A. for its own interests first made it absolutely clear that it would not support the British (to PM Eden's shock and chagrin), and then gave the signals to the British establishment that from now on, America would be Leader and Britain would follow its coat tails - not the other way round. The next Prime Minister, McMillan, is famous for the phrase, ''We'll just have to be the Greeks to their Romans'', meaning (and the aristocracy were well-trained - like Boris Johnson - in their Classical history), that like the ancient Greeks, they had been superseded by the Romans. In a perfect reversal of 1956, PM Tony Blair followed President Bush with an invasion of Iraq in 2003. The similarity of these two incidents is absolutely striking - for both were founded on lies and cover-ups, and this time (Iraq, 2003) the public indignation was immense - the public demonstrations and protests against the war, actually the largest ever seen in London, with it is estimated, possibly as many as a million people involved. Even so - Tony Blair went ahead! His name is blackened, and he dare not show his face on TV in Britain to this day. Thus, supposed British democracy - many of us feel - still thinks it has carte blanche when it comes to foreign policy, as indeed does Washington and its treatment of the American public opinion. I rest my case for the prosecution.
A good analysis
No. They didn't make the decision. The bankers did and moved their financial empire to rule from NY instead.
I am over sixty years old and Olof Palme has shaped me and my view of human rights and peace.
Great guy Olof Palme. That's why they killed him. I'm a Spaniard and I was only ten when he was killed, but I learnt about it later on in my life while reading about Operation Gladio.
What happened to him? Him and JFK's case is a mystery. I wonder why. 😆 🤣 OH yeah,, northstream pipeline too. 😆 🤣
@greger589 Olof Palme was a neo con aka a globalist. He was assassinated for that reason. You may as well could have picked Angela Davis, geez! 😱
One of the biggest problem with usa and uk especially is that lobbyist roaming the corridor of power.
Always there.always unelected.
Take the british parliament and the speaker of the house.
He decides what questions will be addressed in parliament.
If he decides that george Galloway for instance is too smart with salient points he will simply not allow him to stay on his feet and ask awkward questions.
What happens behind the scenes the speaker fraternises with both parties. AND. Most likely with the lobbyists. Who are so heavily biased towards the people who control the land of baby jesus
Yes, the "Chosen Ones" are a huge part of the problem.
SOROS WEF
is eu being willingly led to their destruction by the us?
One can be neither willing or unwilling if they are not even aware.
Probably... Following $$$$$
@@alanhamford2538... ELITE POLITICIANS CAN ONLY CORRUPTION FOR 2 TERMS ONLY....SCAMS AS MUCH AD POSSIBLE..... DON'T ALLOW THE POLITICAL PARTIES TO SELECT CANDIDATES.....
and itself
@user-ce6zp7pg1n, EU is almost unanimously supporting Ukraine economically and militarily. Putin will march forward until he will stopped by a mighty military force. The Ukrainian army might be that force, of the West will support it enough strongly. Glory to Ukraine ! Glory to the heroes !
I am happy that someone has the courage answering back.
...while answering back / to answer back.
Thank you, both. Pascal you are correct when you say that "it mentally hurts". I am so grateful to have your podcast in my life; we are not alone. I hope that people will awake from their slumbers but it may be when it's too late. As the English poet, T.S. Eliot said, 'humankind cannot bear much reality." No truer words have been spoken. Looking forward to your next podcast. From a fellow European living in Japan.
Reality for Westerners has always been a profoundly antihuman, undemocratic, privilege (private law, literally) and privation regime in various guises. I don’t blame anyone for not being able to bear that.
This is one of the best discussions I have heard. Why is it that such sensible people are in that part of the world, like Jacques Baud, yet idiotic behaviour prevails?
Era of enlightenment is over for EU.
Fantastic discussion!!
How do you manage to get such deep and sensitive thinkers - who are able to perceive the departure of common sense by EU leadership.
Wish some of your guests were leading their respective countries- the world would have a chance from the brink of annihilation that the US is nudging the EU towards.
Nietzsche said, you cannot stop decadence, you can only slow it down. So once the faith is gone it's gone.. !
Germany - and the way the society is viewing this conflict in Ukraine, as well in Palestine, shows exactly how whole volks can be directed and mislead if you don't have free media. Our media is so concentrated in so very view hands and thats the main reason, they carry on follow their political leaders. Obviously they only going to wake up and follow approved partly old good values, after the big bang. Sadly
Israel is a whole other question. And the pro Palestine pro HamaSS lobby is very strong in Europe.
@flyingsnow311 the reason is different: reality has shown that the Germans have not changed since the time of the Third Reich. That is why, 80 years later, German tanks are again in the Donbass - the Germans have gathered again and are committing “Drang nach Osten”.
And yet, this shows that Stalin was the most holy and humane leader in the history of mankind - allowing the Germans to exist. And as it turned out, he was wrong.
No, it wasn't thus bad before , we always at least were fearful of the USSR response. Now they see Russia as if it is an irelivent matter. So so dangerous. 😔 😡
That's the best summation. They dismiss Russia as a threat, imagining Russia as 'a gas station masquerading as a state'. They don't realise you can't push around peripheral states any more because, as we all know, the centre has moved to the periphery.
And their dismissal of Russia was all based on faulty assessments on the size of the Russian economy... Assessed by the same people who were surprised by the 2008 economic collapse! 💕
@38dragoon38 absolutely, my friend. 👍
I wonder, what is western economy? Financial panzy scheme and service economy. Europe, the most natural resources poor part of the world. And this anti Russia, russophobia Clearfield that Europe needs Russia, not Russia Europe. Because has the essential of life. Food and energy. There are always customers for that. Plus, don't westerners never learn from history? How many times west has tried to colonize Russia to loot its natural resources? And how many times they got their asses handed to them. 😆 🤣
I agree with the elites. I SHOULD consult experts. That's why I have consulted experts and believe we should begin peace talks as soon as possible.
This is what happens when you allow another country to pay for all your military defenses for decades - they get to dictate what they want to do with your military!
Thank God there are people like you two to speak for the truth. Truth prevails.
Very good discussion. I was in Berlin in October of 2022. The problems Germany has were palpable then. I cannot explain all of what I saw there, but here is one example which somewhat disputes what Mr. Bistoletti is saying in that the German people know what is going on and give tacit approval. I visited 5 countries well after Covid was over, and many of us were on to what that debacle meant. In 4 out of the 5 countries I visited in Europe, literally no one was wearing masks. But in Berlin, masks were required on public transportation. All the Berliner sheep sat on the trains and buses happily wearing masks and staring straight ahead. There were other things that troubled me, but while on a German train in Berlin, the vision of Germans waving little flags and welcoming Hitler kept going through my head, except that in the place of the German flag, these sheep were waving the Ukrainian flag, which flew above all the German government buildings, replacing the German flag. I hated Berlin and could not wait to leave. I criticize my fellow Americans as well, but the Germans, and not just the government officials, are very troubled people, in my opinion. Scholz should have been removed from office immediately after Nord Stream was destroyed. You could never convince me that he knew about the impending destruction and was entirely complicit. Yet, the German people do nothing. As bad as the US is today, we would not tolerate this. Indeed, we would not.
I agree 💯%.. and that's also the case for the British, the French, the Spanish, the Scandinavian countries. Italy, Austria, Greece are not that bad apparently.
We Germans have lost all sense of patriotism after WW2. We shamed ourselves so much that what was left of us after the war, was to be the defeated and separated into zones of the Allied occupying powers, who exerted their influence on us. When you have been defeated as thoroughly as us as a populace, you welcome your "liberators" and presumably do everything you can to "never again" be seen in the world as ruled by tyrants.
Unlike the Russians, who never made a secret of the fact that their occupation was not a friendly act against the Germans, the Americans and British handled it very differently. They allowed their English and American soldiers to fraternise with the population and managed to turn "German-American" friendship into a catchphrase and a way of life. While the Russians had orders to shoot at the German-German border.
But while the Russians did not prevent German reunification after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the other occupying powers never gave up their stationing. The Russians withdrew behind their own borders, and they probably never really trusted that Nato would not be expanded eastwards after all. And they were right. Relations between Russia and Germany, which began after reunification as a German-Russian friendship, disturbed the interests of those who were against it.
The phenomenon that we Germans, who have learnt to believe that we will "never again allow a tyrannical regime", is probably precisely the reason why the population is unable to imagine that the masks and all the measures taken from 2020 onwards were not well-meaning and not committed to this mantra of "never again". The ordinary person on the street believes that this goal is also anchored in the elites, while people in the east in particular believe that the elites have no interest in the people at all, which seems to be much closer to the truth. I am simplifying here.
Our media holds us in a bubble. We are not aware that Europe is being named as a "lost cause" and that there "is no point of return" for us to our former state of economy, since you mentioned North Stream. It's just one factor. But even after having said that, I am no one to claim to see through the things.
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@@ERH-ph5gb Please speak for yourself. I am A German and I don't feel any guild about our german history. I am an honest and decent person, that if anything else, deserves an apology. We are the ones that fund the bill. Billions of our money is going every year to Israel. I am so tired. no longer listen to what people call us. I am tired of explaining myself.Our generation of Germans has become a scapegoat. The other day I watched on Google an Israeli man spitting on a German clergy. I was so disgusted by what I saw that I had to write a reply. I stated how I felt in very polite terms and was immediately threatened. Should this kind of reply appear again , I would be blocked from TH-cam. I was so shocked and at the same time not surprised. Western society has stooped down so much, it is hard to believe that one is part of this madness. I will always speak my mind. If I have to be blocked it is not because I am rude, it simply because I don't give in to liberal values. Not going to happen.
It made me sick when I saw the American Congressmen marching into the chambers waving their little Ukrainian flags. Disgusting!
Kakistokrati, from Greek, describes the worst possible western politicians least qualified scruples dangerous deciding the future of Europe/usa
The WEF/ WALL STREET wants the NEW WORLD ORDER, DIGITAL CONTROL.
Western values? Were they ever benevolent? Invasions, colonialism, exploitations? Western values?
Yes, but there was also education, equality, independence, freedom, the opportunity to express yourself, earn a decent living, women having the right to work. At one point, a sort of trustworthy legal system, increasing life expectancy. Sure the CRT proponents (part of this problem) would say the west is pure evil, but that is only one sided. Find me a culture/group/nation of humans anywhere on this planet who isn’t as equally flawed as they are good. We’re all imperfect.
New Western value are all perverse- lgbtq+fghjk
@bt6904 all these applied only if you are European. If not.... all sets of different rules for you...
@@bt6904 everything you listed is just false propaganda designed to brainwash the oppressed masses. None of the above has ever existed in reality - that is why the West is degrading before our eyes.
Are Apartheid in South Africa or Israel also part of European values?
I like the quote I saw earlier on today, "Politicians willingly lie to their press audience and go on to believe what they read in the press".
They'll herd us all over a cliff like a large herd of lemmings!
And I am not sure we wouldn't deserve such a fate.
I am also living in Germany, and this is exactly my view of the German society and political elite. Germany has a rather abscent political instinct, and the political enthusm is often satisfied with lamenting circumstances, not discussing solutions or constructive ideas. And although Germans are very intelligent people it is absolutely perplexing that the niveau of the political understanding seams to be extremely simplified and the people do not long for a level of discussion that would be more respectfull towards there understanding. At the same time we are living a time loop regarding information, struggling to catch up with the last 30 years in witch the world developed forword but many German people do not know or car. It is not tha seldom to meet with even educated and wealthy people that believe there are no TVs in Russia or that Chinese nearly all live in poor places planting rice, regardless that some of the cities in these countries are much more technologically advanced than Berlin, Hamburg or Munich. Sadly the still is some sort of superiority complex in Germany regarding the global margiority, I feel like German people think that the know better than countries that have another option. Maybe these factors contribute to the blindness of there leaders incompetence (not all Germans of course). Until this things are better understood I fear there is no better way for us, and when it happens it could be to late. Honestly I know a lot of people who try to migrate from here... Quite sad, really because I still love Germany and it's people but the future looks more bleak every day - although this is felt, it is also generally deniad.
The whole EU!
I have worked with ethnic Germans and I always hated and called them out on their idea that they are the smartests ones who know everything and have all the answers while they live in a literal shitshow of a society that they themselves created and either refuse to see it or are stupid to see it. I fought with them many times about all the muslim migration, because we had historic experience with muslim colonization for 500 years, telling them it will backfire horrendously to which they tried to convince me how it’s all going to work out and they will all “integrate”. Well, we see how that worked out. Now you have neither secure streets, nor money, nor culture, nor a national state anymore.
i am german and your analysis is point on, I grew up in the 80s and i‘m just stunned what is happening here it seems as if a kind of mental illnes virus has befallen especially the former west germans, i live also in the west, i really hope there is some sort of cure for that although hope is fading
From Italy I say BRAVO!!
Money and power is the problem
WALL STREET
07:11 I'm from Portugal, and I remember back in the 90's, with the the fall of the Berlin wall, there was still a German division.
There were differences in salaries between germans, discrimination between germans etc.
I always had the feeling that all the mess happening in the EU is ultimately the EU citizens' fault. Thanks for confirming this.
Citizens have no say in the matter. Nice of you to shift the blame to the people
And not the cretins in charge
@@michaelwills1926 You must be one of those just sitting around mentioned in the video. Nice of you to blame who you put in power and support with your silence and passivity.
@@michaelwills1926who elected some of the cretins?
@@AlexDrastico380 Lol imagine not knowing that from all the UE entities only one is democratically elected and then blame it on people.
@@AlexDrastico380The only thing you can ellevt is the parliamennntn everything else is elecvvted by brrrocrats and you have the nerve to blame the people?
Pascal is an excellent thinker and orator. Thanks from the UK for waking us up from the slumber and alerting us to the dangerous reality we were "drugged" into accepting without consent.
Two of my posts have already been deleted.
Let's try for third time lucky.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein.
What about human imagination?
TH-cam deleting comments with bots is anti-human!
I’m guatemalan and I view Ezequiel’s channel from Texas!!!!
Well said gentlemen.
God bless you’ll.
Great channel. Thanks. I want to remind, that during the infamous decade of cruel dictatorships in Latin America (supporting by US), Russia was a friendly country. In fact, not the boogeyman for many people in the Global South
A very good conversation and great insight into the political situation in Europe. For me personally, the current situation reminds me the times of the Soviet Union. Throughout my childhood and teenage years,(born in 70’s) I was indoctrinated that our biggest enemy is America and that we must constantly arm our country because the US wants to start a nuclear war. Nowadays our greatest enemy is Russia, which also wants to start a nuclear war. Experiencing the same slogans and talks in two different eras gives me only one certainty: pathology begins to be created when politics turns into pure propaganda. And the best is the fear based propaganda, because then you can do whatever you want with the scared people. Greetings from Poland
Great discussion.
I have to totally agree with Bistoletti. I've been living in Germany for nearly 30 years now. The lack of interest, lack of knowledge and lack of care about imporant present world events taking place at the moment is disturbing and disappointing. One also shouldn't forget that on ALL MSM channels Germans are not allowed to comment. Comment sections are always turned off and have been for years now.!!!!!
It is a totalitarian system. People have no right to participate in supposed democracy.
What most people miss in this conflict is that Ukraine has trillion$ of worth lithium and other rare earth elements, the US passionately wants it before Russia or China takes it. The grain is NOT that important!
Blackrock is the owner now.
The M. B. Gates bought Farmerland!
Vanguard, Montesanto, Fidelty😂
And a few Ucraines Oligarches😂
As Lindsey Graham said recently on CBS “Ukraine is sitting on top of 10-12 trillion dollars in minerals and we are not going to give it to the Russians and Chinese”
You mean Ukraine had.
Apparently over 15 trillion of worth in Li and other elements...
Nice to see you here Ezequiel with Pascal. One of may favourites
I'm from '74 and I'm really struggling to find out when this "stupidization" of the society began. I think im the late 90's....but I would also ask what happened and is still happening in Argentina....
with social-media
Thanks!
European leaders are not poooliticians they are technocrats
technocrats... cute aggrandizement, but not even remotely true. they are just puppets
They are actually butlers and maids for Washington .... Technocrats at least know how to do simple math. Consult 360 Anna Baerbock on the secrets of the circle.... 🙂
How right you are about contemporary politics and politicians!👍👋
5.02am in the morning, and here I am 1st. Show you how much I love your show. ❤❤
same timezone
Ditto. Hereford uk
Mr. Bistolettis observations and comments about the climate in Germany are spot on . Thanks for this conversation .
People are asleep in the matrix.
Pascal, thank you for your tireless work, be mindful of your own emotional well being.
Democracy always gets dumbed down.
We are witnessing the decline of an empire that is living in the past (the 1990s) and the death of neoliberalism/neoconservatism - and these people are not going to go down without a fight. Europe is terrified of an EU without the US hovering in the background as a protector. Australia is very much the same. We are terrified that we might have to take on an enemy without the US flying to our rescue. Both parties in power just do what the US tells us to do.
Black Rock and Vanguard
What a relief to hear some sense being spoken!!!
My commentary has been deleted. Second try: In Germany USA and AIPAC have the might to determin what is correct to say and what is not allowed to say.
YT censors would have been the perfect employees of the East German Stasi.
There is a European equivalent to AIPAC called ELNET. A lot of pro war polititians in Germany are connected to this organisation!
Isn't it funny that they're the perfect employees of the USA CIA and FBI?
Isn't about time to get over Red Scare propaganda?
The fact that this channel is called "NEUTRALITY studies " is a absolute joke
Mine post was deleted too. I wrote about an organisation called ELNET in Germany that has a similar function as AIPAC in America. Somehow nobody has ever heard about it.
It's been a pleasure to listen to you two. My compliments to both of you. You were talking sense right through. Though it is sometimes demanding and tiring to discuss politics with main-stream folks here, it is a relief to learn that out there in this world there are others who have recognized those "elites" as what they are: criminals. Greez with heart-felt sympathy from Germany
Actually there is a school of thought that contributes to "suicidal Europe" - it is the School of Frankfurt.
For me personally, COVID was a big awakening. As they say, "What else have they lied to me about?" So I've stumbled into an explosion of highly informative discussions, such as this one. After hearing nothing but lies all my life, this is an amazing and hopeful experience. Very energizing. There's a special power which truth wields; a power to make the hearer feel more alive. Lies are so stultifying!
The US's agenda cannot be rejected in European arena.
No, the "Framework decisions" which are never voted on, are determined by outside Ivy-league "Influencers".
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In which case it's not even up for discussion then is it, not by the people it'll affect most at least.
"I expected to see a comment saying the water is wet. 😂 Didn't even have to scroll"
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So glad to have obliged and make your day no doubt.
European politicians are overloaded with sociopaths and toady's.
This is becoming my favorite program. Real exchange of ideas and learning.
Why do we think that Democracy is the end of all?
Democracy is an Illusion.
Only the Overrich will survive.
WEF/WALL STREET
Greetings from the Dominican Republic to all the sound people around the world. I'd like you, honorable guys, if possible for you in the near futyre, that you have a talk about how the International Comminity can help Haiti in its terrible situation that country is in now. Thanks a lot. Your talks are, as always, amazing.
I am a business economist and a psychological counselor and what I have been observing during the last 50 year from this point of view is,, that the structure of power as it is exerted in big firms has been transferred to how governments exert their power. And in fact this development startet and continued with the success of neoloberalism. And what I also have been observing is, that leaders with that kind of mindset are not corrigible. They only can be stopped by voting a party that stands for something completely different.
In theory, correct. But, every government is elected on the basis of the proposed program. If it does not implement the program based on which the incumbent won the elections, the voters have the right snd obligation to replace them without waiting for the elections.
the stupidest of the stupid believe that ballots are actually counted in elections
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We have the right but not practical means to throw out disobeying government.
Unfortunately in Germany there is no one different. Except Wagenknecht.
@@dvegule920 😀At least Wagenknecht.
This is a good channel. The host is skilled in getting the most out of his guests. He does not have to push too hard. He simply moves on to another well framed question.
It's a small club and we aren't in it.
George Carlin
Blame the WEF.
Being stupid is also a human right. 😂😂😂😂
Excellent, inimitable analysis and conclusions of the situation
Hi,great interview,you are absolutely right,US is planning to repeat WWII scenario and rescue its economy again.
Thanks for this very insightful discussion.
Thanks for your effort 🙏...
Excellent discussion. Thank you.
Good to hear some younger people see what is going on. Media, politics and economic forces are all going in one direction, regardless of what normal people think and feel. C19 proved how easy it is to sway public opinion for or against something or someone.
This is such an excellent discussion. Your analysis of why Europe is following the US line is the first plausible explanation I have heard. I love the intelligent, unbiased, analytical, rational thinking.
Почему почти всегда обсуждается готовы (европа или страны европы) к войне с Россией? Задумайтесь о другом, а зачем Вам воевать с Россией? Россия не собирается воевать с Европой, ей это не нужно.
Leaders in the West are stupid (not stupid….power hungry narcissists) and 60% of the people in Europe have become weak, lazy with a total lack of critical thought. That’s how we walk into war. I saw it during Covid. They wanted to round people like me up for not taking the jab. People were turning on one another. Covid was the point where I realised how easily people are brainwashed and how dangerous it was not to think alongside the masses. It was at that moment that I understood how Hitler came about. Instil enough fear, establish the government as the saviour and people will literally do anything….
I'm british and agree with you
Mislim da je to zato što je potreban negativac, da bi Evropa/Amerika bila pozitivac. Deluje glupo i banalno, zar ne?
That was a fascinating discussion. I saw a video showing Ukrainian young men beaten up by the Ukrainian police (?) because they were trying to flee from being sent to the war - congratulations on the belief in "liberal democracy"! I think you need to have a debate with people who are going along with what may be called the neo-con mindset of "you are either with us or against us" to let some light of reason into the situation. The double standards between the situations in Gaza and Ukraine also need to be shouted louder.