After watching both leaf's own video and this one, I count the following kill total of those three ravagers: 4 scorpions 15 buggies 5 harvesters 2 refineries 1 (nearly dead) construction yard 1 tripod husk 1 awakened Also there was a buggy jointly killed by ravagers and disints, one buggy killed by either ravagers or storm column, and one buggy killed by either ravagers or Whitey's gg.
Ravagers are visually awesome units. Reminds me of those aliens in that movie "Edge of Tomorrow" with Tom Cruise. You think the moviemakers were Ravager fans? :D
Hey buddy.l'd absolutely love to see you work on some more ravager tactics. I think this would give Bike a run for his money. Wonderful play. I laughed my ass off so hard too seeing his entire army trying to chase those things down XD PLEASE do more of this hahaha
What a game. What strikes me the most is how Masterleaf kept operating on various parts of the map at the same time with different "armies" on each side. Definitely a more advanced technique since so many players focus on using their armies as a single block. Even though Masterleaf got unlucky mid game he still outwrestled his opponent with all that splitting.
Ravagers are easy to shut down with venom and hammerhead but MAN do they hit hard vs infantry and vehicles, even without counting their tib snipe ability
that was awesome. Idk why ravagers aren't used more, that hit squad of 3 is like a poor man's catalyst missile, and available at tier 1. I guess they're pricey ($100 more each than an orca, plus $1000 for fast legs), but they're faster than buggies!
Ravager is micro sensitive unit. It will less damage if you not use their ability and their ability is very limit. Normal damage output is low for that price. It only opens to micro-macro control player like leaf is able to do it. Cuz more than that Disintegrators is far better with cheaper price. But to be fair. I really love Raveager unit design :D
The problem is that Kane's Wrath has overtuned anti infantry weapons (mostly upgrades like laser capacitors or AP ammo, but even units like Venoms do too much damage by themselves) and vehicle crushing for non heavy infantry. Heavies are just too weak in terms of HP/armor, for the price basic infantry can do as much as HI do (except for fringe cases like this quick ravager). The worst offender would be Zones in Hammerheads(it is really just a per unit upgrade rather than using 2 different units with different counters) The Ravagers also do less damage with Tiberium Agitation as they loose models and are quite bad against most vehicles, but OK against infantry. The Articulators are gonna get used either way for disintegrators so that is an investment that will pay off. This is just another case of mostly bad infantry and tank/vehicle dominance in C&C games. (Possible exceptions are Tiberium Sun, Generals and Dune. Universe at War is another exception if we can count it being made by Petroglyph)
@@Thund3r0v I get that anti infantry is op, and a shredder turret or two would have changed the game. But unless you're already going into to air, it seems like a lot to build an air tower just to counter some infantry that are only good against harvesters and refineries. I guess I'm just imagining what someone like bike rush could do, micro disints and ravagers
@@Mantorok12 Oh no no no, did not imply that the Whitey should have went immediate air tower. I was just commenting that this whole thing worked due to T-59 upgrades and that people never expect Heavy Infantry even though they generally suck( the ravager would be good against MoK manspam tho for DPS+raiding) Well, the Air tower would have had use since masterleaf did pay for 2 portals that he did not sell and got fast legs, but even just resisting the urge to micro every unit would have worked (leave 2 groups of 4 raiders on the 2 sides since every model killed is less damage from Tib Agitation) And I just wanted to answer why HI(or here, Ravagers) is not used, poor balance. Here it worked since people probably forget it is on the Scrin roster.
he could simply go venoms. Whitey just didn't know how to react to that... understandably, ravs are not broken nor OP units. Just need skills to play them
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Leaf´s "bouncing overcharged schizoid with a coke overdose" playstyle with those ravagers absolutely made my day.
nice game.
After watching both leaf's own video and this one, I count the following kill total of those three ravagers:
4 scorpions
15 buggies
5 harvesters
2 refineries
1 (nearly dead) construction yard
1 tripod husk
1 awakened
Also there was a buggy jointly killed by ravagers and disints, one buggy killed by either ravagers or storm column, and one buggy killed by either ravagers or Whitey's gg.
Thanks for doing the counting and for sharing. That’s some amazing efficiency!
you missed them finishing off the nearly dead construction yard a minute later
Ravagers are visually awesome units. Reminds me of those aliens in that movie "Edge of Tomorrow" with Tom Cruise. You think the moviemakers were Ravager fans? :D
Damn. Don’t know what’s better. The clutch gameplay or the epic commentary.
The ravagers killed the construction yard. Also, great cast!
I look forward to your games the most 👍
Hey buddy.l'd absolutely love to see you work on some more ravager tactics. I think this would give Bike a run for his money. Wonderful play. I laughed my ass off so hard too seeing his entire army trying to chase those things down XD PLEASE do more of this hahaha
Ok well apparently YT thinks this is starcraft so congrats on becoming a Brood War streamer.
I'm away from home right now and for whatever reason I can't change the game on the mobile app.
@@OneSybert I am curious if you gonna cast a Starcraft game
Whitey said after this match as he conceded: "Wait, I'm MoK, why didn't I build a Venom? LOL"
Watched this game on Leaf's channel and his excitement was so fun to see - glad to see it cast as well!
Link?
@@OneSybert th-cam.com/video/rTihsibkcJQ/w-d-xo.html
Virgin NOD buggy vs chad Traveler 59 ravager
god, this is suffering
i love it all
What a game. What strikes me the most is how Masterleaf kept operating on various parts of the map at the same time with different "armies" on each side. Definitely a more advanced technique since so many players focus on using their armies as a single block. Even though Masterleaf got unlucky mid game he still outwrestled his opponent with all that splitting.
Mmm yeah, This is definitely a Starcraft game. Look at how Terrans attack Protoss!
I would think Scrin would be Zerg while Protoss was GDI.
////But wouldn't it be a beautiful crossover if you could pull it off without getting Cease and Desist-ed?
I lol'ed at seeing the Ravagers running faster than the buggies behind them trying to catch up! :D Why do people not use Ravagers more often?
Because venom and hammerhead exist
It takes a mad genius like Masterleaf to show us their true potential.
They require lots of micro as you can see and leaf is known for being a micro god.
Yes! My favourite scrin infantry getting some recognition, awesome strategy
superb ravager play. THanks for adding the PiP segment there
This match needs some benny hills music
Beautiful plays from MasterLeaf
This was such a great game
amazing cast as always sybert
we love your work
This is gonna turn the scrin meta on its head.
Untill someone makes hammerheads or venoms, wich makes ravagers not playable. Sad story, but ravagers are rare to see for a reason.
What a nice starcraft cast
DAAAM Hell yeah Masterleaf. Id love to see you work on this strategy some more. Might definitely be what takes Bikerush down.
Finally another upload! Thankyou! 🤗
Ravagers... ah yes the imperial ingeneers of Kane's wrath!
There was another game on this map where somebody built ravagers and pulled the same strat. Don't recall who was playing, but it was impressive
Ravagers are easy to shut down with venom and hammerhead but MAN do they hit hard vs infantry and vehicles, even without counting their tib snipe ability
Incredible game
6:24 that micro was INTENSE
Masterleaf is my new favorite player
Good to see a new tactic.
that was awesome. Idk why ravagers aren't used more, that hit squad of 3 is like a poor man's catalyst missile, and available at tier 1. I guess they're pricey ($100 more each than an orca, plus $1000 for fast legs), but they're faster than buggies!
Ravager is micro sensitive unit. It will less damage if you not use their ability and their ability is very limit. Normal damage output is low for that price. It only opens to micro-macro control player like leaf is able to do it.
Cuz more than that Disintegrators is far better with cheaper price.
But to be fair. I really love Raveager unit design :D
The problem is that Kane's Wrath has overtuned anti infantry weapons (mostly upgrades like laser capacitors or AP ammo, but even units like Venoms do too much damage by themselves) and vehicle crushing for non heavy infantry.
Heavies are just too weak in terms of HP/armor, for the price basic infantry can do as much as HI do (except for fringe cases like this quick ravager). The worst offender would be Zones in Hammerheads(it is really just a per unit upgrade rather than using 2 different units with different counters)
The Ravagers also do less damage with Tiberium Agitation as they loose models and are quite bad against most vehicles, but OK against infantry.
The Articulators are gonna get used either way for disintegrators so that is an investment that will pay off.
This is just another case of mostly bad infantry and tank/vehicle dominance in C&C games. (Possible exceptions are Tiberium Sun, Generals and Dune. Universe at War is another exception if we can count it being made by Petroglyph)
@@Thund3r0v I get that anti infantry is op, and a shredder turret or two would have changed the game. But unless you're already going into to air, it seems like a lot to build an air tower just to counter some infantry that are only good against harvesters and refineries.
I guess I'm just imagining what someone like bike rush could do, micro disints and ravagers
@@Mantorok12 Oh no no no, did not imply that the Whitey should have went immediate air tower. I was just commenting that this whole thing worked due to T-59 upgrades and that people never expect Heavy Infantry even though they generally suck( the ravager would be good against MoK manspam tho for DPS+raiding)
Well, the Air tower would have had use since masterleaf did pay for 2 portals that he did not sell and got fast legs, but even just resisting the urge to micro every unit would have worked (leave 2 groups of 4 raiders on the 2 sides since every model killed is less damage from Tib Agitation)
And I just wanted to answer why HI(or here, Ravagers) is not used, poor balance. Here it worked since people probably forget it is on the Scrin roster.
that's some benny hill theme stuff right there
Ravager RUSH!
What an exceptional game. I loved everything about it, lol
Post watching ML Edit:
"Wait im mok
why didn't i build a venom lol"
Best commentator
Venoms???
Arent venoms good vs ravagers and disints?
Also not enough infantry from MoK imo. But i guess ppl prefer vehicles from nod i suppose.
Whitey said himself "Wait, I'm MOK, why didn't I build a Venom LOL"
He just got confused by Leaf's strat that he forgot a lot of things.
The map where emp and marv go brrrr
All those Raider Buggies failing to kill those Ravagers... a single Venom would have shut the Ravagers down 🤣
Even if he didn’t build a venom why didn’t he just split his buggies in half to cut off the ravagers?
Lol pack and unpack
pardon me if this has been asked by others alot to you , but is there a way to get a 60 fps Kane's wrath ?
No, almost all of cnc games are locked at 30fps
The game is running at 30fps, the footage is interpolated up to 60 in the edit.
Who need mok's venoms? They are soo bad, right? :)
that mcv save was vulgar
Looks like Whitey is not very smart. He could build several venoms, upgrade beams and then no more fast infantry problem
he isnt smart indeed
Ahh yes, traveler
Man if there is some anti infantry aircrafy that Mok can use this could have gone the other way hmmmm
If they weren't fast leg ravagers the buggies would have been fine.
+
starcraft is a cnc game=)
Just masterleaf cheesing another game, what's new
Embarrassing
Broken ass game lol EA just has no idea how to balance an rts do they.
he could simply go venoms. Whitey just didn't know how to react to that... understandably, ravs are not broken nor OP units. Just need skills to play them
EA abandoned this game years ago
@@wickedADAMMM aren't Venoms slower?
@@PetersaberHD they have no terrain morphology constraint. They would have been much more efficient than buggies in much smaller numbers
@@wickedADAMMM good point, but they are slower - so that might not change much.