Great Video Dave. I switched my allegiance from Sony to Panasonic when these came out. When I bought mine the shop had hacked them to make them region free so they could play import DVDs. I used mine for recording and still have it. Panasonic did have problems with the machines that had VHS and DVD included so people could copy their VHS tapes to DVD. They all had problems with overheating and dry joints I believe. But yes great machines. I even bought a top end model that had a Hard Drive, twin satellite tuners and could even burn Blue Ray discs.
Another great feature of DVD Ram was that it was more durable and reliable as a storage medium. By the way, there's still current optical drives for computers that play DVD-RAM. I know for sure at least some LG and Pioneer ones do... The TOTLs can play quad layer Blu Ray (128GB per disc on one side ;) along with various other Blu Ray formats and a whole bunch of DVD formats, including DVD Ram. Actually, the LG one can record too, not sure about the Pioneers, I've seen one that could only play, but the TOTLs can probably record too... It's still a great back up medium if M-Disc is not justifiable for your data.
You cab buy an optical drive on Amazon these days that supports read/write of DVD RAM media and the data stays in the digital domain of course if you're backing up to a HD.
I had a Replay TV from about 2002-2010, lifetime subscription. It wasn’t until I got my first HDTV in 2009, a Vizio 32” for over 1 thousand dollars. That I got HD DVR from DirecTV.
Great video ! Yeah, you're right ! But the problem was that the dvd-ram format was just too expensive ! Wanted to get one of these units, but the prices were just too high ! It was so neat to time shift through commercials and record one program while watching another program !
Certainly was the 'VCR killer' in our household! We never kept a large VHS archive, so switching over was very easy. Only had one disk go bad (a BASF EMTEC 9.4GB), which was still partially usable just couldn't max it out. A great format, just superseded by hard drive recorders/ PVR's ..but good luck playing a DVD on one of those!
I have the DMR-E80H and also i have many DVD RAM it was very hard to find a DVD Drive for my PC and watch those DVDs my question is, Is there any way to watch my DVD RAM videos with the original menus in a Windows 10 PC? an APP or a Firmware to descipher , DVD_RTAV VR_MOVIE.VRO videos Thank you
thank you so much for that Dave I be able to fit a new belt hope it, not the microswitch or can they be cleaned ?-yes the white arm will watch out for that pulls the flap across on the ram love your videos many thanks for your time Andy UK
It appears that the DVD-RAM drive uses an IDE interface, similar to computers of the era it was made. It also looks like the drive's power cable is identical to the ones PC computers used back in the day. I wonder if it perhaps a computer DVD-RAM Drive connected to the board that controls the recording.
It is an IDE drive, what I don't know is if this one has any special firmware. I have never tried a regular computer drive on it but I know that some units like the light on had special firmware and even though the drive from a standalone box woodwork on a computer the reverse was not true because the firmware on the control circuit was looking for a specific version on the drive so if the drive failed you had to buy the exact replacement drive from the manufacturer you couldn't just go and buy a cheap computer drive and drop it in.
What an amazing recording/playback system, it makes most of the common dvd recorders look silly. And vcr's looked very limited indeed. I can see why it cost so much, it's like a professional design with every option covered. As i said on a previous video, i had one of those sectored disks but i didnt have a recorder that understood it. I liked the cased disks, they should have been standard. Did i detect that you were not too happy taking the writer apart?, i would have been careful too. Shame about the fish, but you have a perfect recording of them.
I have never opened one of these writers before. In fact this is the first time I have been into this unit. 20 years and it worked great. These were professional machines in every stretch of the imagination and many were sold to video production companies for doing 1 off recordings. I used it extensively in my production studio. I have been archiving home videos to DVD since the late 90s when the DVD burners first arrived for the PC. The problem is it is VERY time consuming to capture a tape, then render it out to MPG2 DVD, then author it and burn. Time is money. A 2 hour tape took 2 hours to capture, at least another hour to render out, and then another hour to author and burn. 4 hours to transfer 1 tape. With the DVD recorder, the VCR was plugged in, a DVD R disk loaded, tape played and record button pressed. After the tape finished finalize and move on. The aquarium was a showcase tank 15 years ago when I set it up, but the fish don't live forever and the kids are all grown up, nobody cares now. Once the fish are all gone I will sell the tank and reclaim a big piece of my living room. Not that I use it much.
Most people recording today use a hard disc based recorder which allows full timeshifting, but there's no disc based recorders available that can do it. Even the last generation of BluRay recorders from Panasonic wont do it as they don't allow direct to disc recording, you have to record to the HDD and then transfer.
That is the shitty microphone in the FDRAX53 camera I am using. The AX33 is a far better camera in every aspect, but the 53 is newer. I use the AX33 for outdoor shots. I used it on the last flashlight video when I was shooting outside.
@@12voltvids I just thought it was amusing as I have a 44-in Vizio 2008 with Dolby surround and digital equalizer built in.. I kind of learned how to fix this vizio myself from watching your videos.. another amazing thing is when you open up my Vizio it says LG inside LOL....
Dave , I’ve just made a video on the uk version of this with the ext link feature. I’d appreciate if the Canadian model can do the same and how please.
First test should have been just after the black internal cover was fitted. That would save a huge amount of screwdriver activity, and let you chase the microswitch fault if needed,
What is the maximum write speed for DVD-R's that the DMR-E20 supports? I have a DMR-E30, the slimmer one, but unfortunately I can't record onto both 8x & 16x speed DVD-R's because the installed firmware doesn't support it. I have to upgrade it to the latest firmware in order for it to work, but it doesn't want to read my burned upgrade CD-R. Have you done firmware upgrades before for your devices?
If you watch the video I did after this one, where I digitized the Abbotsford airshow using the DMR-E20, you will see I put a Verbatim 16x speed disk in and it burned flawlessly. I use 16x speed in my dmre20, dmr-eh50, toshiba dvr7 and dr430 recorders.Never upgraded the firmware either, and all my dvd recorders read burned CDR music disks no problem.
Do you remember the 12 inch video disks and the players that came out in the late 80's-mid 90's ? I remember you could buy full length movies and shows on the 12 inch disc ! Same size as vinyl records !
Well there were 2. Laserdisk, which I have at least 5 players and over 100 movies, and the CED system that RCA developed and it almost bankrupted the company. CED used a stylus to play a vinyl record of a movie.
I just rip my DVDs that I recorded to my computer using readily available software. You have to have a DVD ROM drive, though, but those are still readily available. DVD ripping software can rip the files as unencrypted VOB files if you wish if you want the original files on the DVD, or you can encode them into MPEG2, H264, or whatever you want. I use Ubuntu Linux, so the software is already in the software repository. I know it's available for Windows too, but I haven't kept up with Windows for over a decade.
So. Easy to rip DVDs. Been doing that since DVDs came out. This was a recorder to record your own content or from TV on. Not everyone wants to use a computer. Its all available for windows. Used to use DVD shrink many years ago, and backup every DVD I rented.
I have one just like that. But it's the european version. And still work's fine. But mine has a dv input in the front and two scart connections in the rear.
i still have the DMRE30 which still works in spite of dimed display and I had a newer 55 with out a HD, that crapped out earlier due to I believe was a power supply issue and dimed display.. Those fluorescent displays didnt really have that much life to them, even on other equipment which utilized them! LED displays last longer althouggh they look cheaper than Fluorescents!
My DMR-EH50 fluorescent display is also dim as hell. Panasonic didn't know how to make a VFD last. Seems to vary by tube. One of the VFD clocks I built a few years ago the 10 minute tube is very weak, the hour and minute tubes are a little dim and the 10 second and second tubes are bright as hell. Getters are all good so it isn't a leak, but the emission is low. My 50 power supply crapped out, and I fixed it (there is a video on that one) last year.
i have the DVD shrink and DVD Decrypter here works up to windows 8 Was designed for WinXP but it will work all the way up to win-8 Also have Clone DVD as well theres many good programs Some won't work with Sony disc though, i think due to the Security or some thing on some the disc or Macrovision, but can get the DVD Decrypter to rip the encoder off then it will copy after, only sony disc give me that issue, those from Sont entertainment, might be security, but a bit of tweaking then it will rip eventually.
Size (4,7GB as all DVD), price (the discs costed significant more than normal DVD), speed (nowadays nobody wants to wait to backup less than 5gb of data). But well, my old DVD-RAM-discs still read fine after >15 years....
@@hermannschaefer4777 why would you wait? I have a ton of things I can get on with while the drive burns. I honestly don't know why people are sitting there staring at it saying they are bored. Go and do the washing up :D I use BD-RW and that burns at 2x speed if I'm lucky and takes up to 90 mins to burn 25GB. I use it to make an optical backup of the latest snapshot of my home directory. I thus get on with other stuff while it's busy. Not criticising you actually, just wondering why these "people" are waiting :D If they have many discs to do, well, get more drives. My main PC has two, one is a Blu-ray writer the other is a bd-rom dvd writer, I have 3 laptops that have 1 each, the Minecraft server has another bd-rom dvd writer in it too. Oh and I have a usb external dvd writer as well.
@@12voltvids My JVC DR-M10 plays and records in DVD-RAM. One of the best DVD recorders I've owned. Outstanding image quaility with great noise reduction filtering built in. It also has a DV input on the front which comes handy when transfering from DV format. I just realized you were talking about DVD players only. You are 100% right.
Not the same thing. DMR-E10 was DVD RAM only and was over 4,000.00 when it hit the store shelves in 2000. The DMR-E20 followed. I also have a DMR-EH50. It supports DVD-RAM, RVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD+R and has a built in HDD. Looks identical to the ES10 except it has a drive select button between the open/close and stop buttons.
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@@12voltvids I am sorry. I know that I stepped over the boundary asking you such a personal question. I am just so joyful knowing that I am loved by God, saved by Christ and am going to Heaven after I die. I am so happy that Ii like to share my faith with everyone, which gets me into trouble sometimes.
i have a betacam digi deck the price of them was high this can do well against the pro deck BEWARE DO NOT USE THIS FOR HEAVY RECORDING like 100's of hrs you will kill it betacam digi will win the race my betacam are still working this drive is dead i love beatcam decks i have 50 of them all working pre read i love they are skipping them here in the uk one rent place i had a 2 x pallets of video recorders now they are in my warm lock up at the back of my house all working just in case they are needed i payed £10 each the rent place was going to get a skip to put them in it was better to let me have them at this price as skip would be more money it was the rent of the van £10 each video and the driver time luck they had a wear house in bracknell uk YES YES the place that had the big fire right on the train in i was so luck they could have been in the fire this is true look i it up on line
This unit parbably has had about 1000 disks recorded on it over its life so far. I don't use it much these days as I have other decks that can use dvd rw and dvd +r / rw, so I keep the Panasonic's for the odd dvd-ram disk i need to play. As to betacam format i gave that one up in the late 90s.
Great Video Dave. I switched my allegiance from Sony to Panasonic when these came out. When I bought mine the shop had hacked them to make them region free so they could play import DVDs. I used mine for recording and still have it.
Panasonic did have problems with the machines that had VHS and DVD included so people could copy their VHS tapes to DVD.
They all had problems with overheating and dry joints I believe.
But yes great machines. I even bought a top end model that had a Hard Drive, twin satellite tuners and could even burn Blue Ray discs.
Dvd ram was and still is the best,one of your all time greatest videos
Yes DVD RAM is a great format to record and play from. This machine has several thousand hours of use.
Another great feature of DVD Ram was that it was more durable and reliable as a storage medium.
By the way, there's still current optical drives for computers that play DVD-RAM. I know for sure at least some LG and Pioneer ones do... The TOTLs can play quad layer Blu Ray (128GB per disc on one side ;) along with various other Blu Ray formats and a whole bunch of DVD formats, including DVD Ram. Actually, the LG one can record too, not sure about the Pioneers, I've seen one that could only play, but the TOTLs can probably record too... It's still a great back up medium if M-Disc is not justifiable for your data.
Dave is the consummate professional.....his intuition is amazing!
Wonderful demo Dave one of your best. I have a panasonic dmr ex769 which had a fault but it is great now after a faulty cap. Thanks
You cab buy an optical drive on Amazon these days that supports read/write of DVD RAM media and the data stays in the digital domain of course if you're backing up to a HD.
I had a Replay TV from about 2002-2010, lifetime subscription. It wasn’t until I got my first HDTV in 2009, a Vizio 32” for over 1 thousand dollars. That I got HD DVR from DirecTV.
Great video ! Yeah, you're right ! But the problem was that the dvd-ram format was just too expensive ! Wanted to get one of these units, but the prices were just too high ! It was so neat to time shift through commercials and record one program while watching another program !
They were very expensive when they came out. I bought a second unit identical to this one but black for 250.
Certainly was the 'VCR killer' in our household! We never kept a large VHS archive, so switching over was very easy. Only had one disk go bad (a BASF EMTEC 9.4GB), which was still partially usable just couldn't max it out. A great format, just superseded by hard drive recorders/ PVR's ..but good luck playing a DVD on one of those!
Yes this deck, and it's sister completely replaced VHS in my house. The only DVDRAM to go bad for me was Memorex.
I have the DMR-E80H and also i have many DVD RAM it was very hard to find a DVD Drive for my PC and watch those DVDs my question is, Is there any way to watch my DVD RAM videos with the original menus in a Windows 10 PC? an APP or a Firmware to descipher , DVD_RTAV VR_MOVIE.VRO videos Thank you
Nice upload! I'm feeling it
thank you so much for that Dave I be able to fit a new belt hope it, not the microswitch or can they be cleaned ?-yes the white arm will watch out for that pulls the flap across on the ram love your videos many thanks for your time Andy UK
It can probably be cleaned, but after opening and closing about 30 times it now stays open. So it cleaned itself.
@@12voltvids many thanks all done
It appears that the DVD-RAM drive uses an IDE interface, similar to computers of the era it was made. It also looks like the drive's power cable is identical to the ones PC computers used back in the day. I wonder if it perhaps a computer DVD-RAM Drive connected to the board that controls the recording.
It is an IDE drive, what I don't know is if this one has any special firmware. I have never tried a regular computer drive on it but I know that some units like the light on had special firmware and even though the drive from a standalone box woodwork on a computer the reverse was not true because the firmware on the control circuit was looking for a specific version on the drive so if the drive failed you had to buy the exact replacement drive from the manufacturer you couldn't just go and buy a cheap computer drive and drop it in.
The first DVD recorder in the world to be manufactured by Panasonic.
Excellent pen tossing technique 9-9-9
What determines which scope you use? I see you use the Tektronics this time and other times the Uni-T? Thanks Dave. Another great vid!
I only use the Uni-T if I want to do speed measurements as it has a frequency counter.
For everything else it is the Tek.
What an amazing recording/playback system, it makes most of the common dvd recorders look silly.
And vcr's looked very limited indeed.
I can see why it cost so much, it's like a professional design with every option covered.
As i said on a previous video, i had one of those sectored disks but i didnt have a recorder that understood it.
I liked the cased disks, they should have been standard.
Did i detect that you were not too happy taking the writer apart?, i would have been careful too.
Shame about the fish, but you have a perfect recording of them.
I have never opened one of these writers before. In fact this is the first time I have been into this unit. 20 years and it worked great. These were professional machines in every stretch of the imagination and many were sold to video production companies for doing 1 off recordings. I used it extensively in my production studio. I have been archiving home videos to DVD since the late 90s when the DVD burners first arrived for the PC. The problem is it is VERY time consuming to capture a tape, then render it out to MPG2 DVD, then author it and burn. Time is money. A 2 hour tape took 2 hours to capture, at least another hour to render out, and then another hour to author and burn. 4 hours to transfer 1 tape. With the DVD recorder, the VCR was plugged in, a DVD R disk loaded, tape played and record button pressed. After the tape finished finalize and move on. The aquarium was a showcase tank 15 years ago when I set it up, but the fish don't live forever and the kids are all grown up, nobody cares now. Once the fish are all gone I will sell the tank and reclaim a big piece of my living room. Not that I use it much.
Don't know of any format that does that today !
Most people recording today use a hard disc based recorder which allows full timeshifting, but there's no disc based recorders available that can do it. Even the last generation of BluRay recorders from Panasonic wont do it as they don't allow direct to disc recording, you have to record to the HDD and then transfer.
Your sound is going from left.to Right channel.. awesome
That is the shitty microphone in the FDRAX53 camera I am using. The AX33 is a far better camera in every aspect, but the 53 is newer. I use the AX33 for outdoor shots. I used it on the last flashlight video when I was shooting outside.
@@12voltvids I just thought it was amusing as I have a 44-in Vizio 2008 with Dolby surround and digital equalizer built in.. I kind of learned how to fix this vizio myself from watching your videos.. another amazing thing is when you open up my Vizio it says LG inside LOL....
@@silversrepairshop1459 Thats because Vizio IS LG.
That was interesting. Thank you.
Dave , I’ve just made a video on the uk version of this with the ext link feature. I’d appreciate if the Canadian model can do the same and how please.
First test should have been just after the black internal cover was fitted. That would save a huge amount of screwdriver activity, and let you chase the microswitch fault if needed,
Microswitch corrected itself opening and closing the drawer about 30 times.
What is the maximum write speed for DVD-R's that the DMR-E20 supports? I have a DMR-E30, the slimmer one, but unfortunately I can't record onto both 8x & 16x speed DVD-R's because the installed firmware doesn't support it. I have to upgrade it to the latest firmware in order for it to work, but it doesn't want to read my burned upgrade CD-R. Have you done firmware upgrades before for your devices?
If you watch the video I did after this one, where I digitized the Abbotsford airshow using the DMR-E20, you will see I put a Verbatim 16x speed disk in and it burned flawlessly. I use 16x speed in my dmre20, dmr-eh50, toshiba dvr7 and dr430 recorders.Never upgraded the firmware either, and all my dvd recorders read burned CDR music disks no problem.
ATSC 1.0 tuner or NTSC? I have a Panasonic DVD RW recorder DKR40KU. Doesn’t have a tuner. Wish it did. But it’s sweet.
NTSC. That is one of the things I use those converter boxes for. Recording on this machine.
Do you remember the 12 inch video disks and the players that came out in the late 80's-mid 90's ? I remember you could buy full length movies and shows on the 12 inch disc ! Same size as vinyl records !
Yeh, Laserdisc. I never had one though.
Well there were 2. Laserdisk, which I have at least 5 players and over 100 movies, and the CED system that RCA developed and it almost bankrupted the company. CED used a stylus to play a vinyl record of a movie.
@@12voltvids oh, that's right, thanks for jogging my memory ! I remember those formats also !
Dave, I have a pan. DMR50E that no longer recognizes disc's, is possible to send it to you?
No if DVD Ram machines fail you can get a multi drive for PC and rip them using DVD Fab or Nero
I have a multi drive in my PC.
I still have my DMR-HS2 which cost me $800 in 2004 and that was with my employee discount. The prices sure dropped in the years to come!!!!
Sure did. I bought a new toshiba dvd recorder for 69.00 and I still use it.
hi this was £800 in the uk and i still have it the drives go in them
I just rip my DVDs that I recorded to my computer using readily available software. You have to have a DVD ROM drive, though, but those are still readily available. DVD ripping software can rip the files as unencrypted VOB files if you wish if you want the original files on the DVD, or you can encode them into MPEG2, H264, or whatever you want. I use Ubuntu Linux, so the software is already in the software repository. I know it's available for Windows too, but I haven't kept up with Windows for over a decade.
So. Easy to rip DVDs. Been doing that since DVDs came out. This was a recorder to record your own content or from TV on. Not everyone wants to use a computer. Its all available for windows. Used to use DVD shrink many years ago, and backup every DVD I rented.
I have the same.but doesn't star no power .why must be the trouble?
very nice dvd recorder
Post a full video on your Aqurium
It's been up for years.
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I have one just like that. But it's the european version. And still work's fine. But mine has a dv input in the front and two scart connections in the rear.
DVD RAM WAS THE BEST
So, what would happen if you loaded a +R disc?
The same thing that would happen if you loaded a -RW or +RW disk. It would say No Disc.
So they just reused a PC drive. Not sure if I'm impressed or appalled lol
Most did use a PC drive, but with a custom flash, so if you swapped a PC drive it wouldn't boot.
Dave, what is the ferrite ring for on the supply cable for the DVD Deck?
RF suppression.
@@12voltvids Thanks
i still have the DMRE30 which still works in spite of dimed display and I had a newer 55 with out a HD, that crapped out earlier due to I believe was a power supply issue and dimed display.. Those fluorescent displays didnt really have that much life to them, even on other equipment which utilized them! LED displays last longer althouggh they look cheaper than Fluorescents!
My DMR-EH50 fluorescent display is also dim as hell. Panasonic didn't know how to make a VFD last.
Seems to vary by tube. One of the VFD clocks I built a few years ago the 10 minute tube is very weak, the hour and minute tubes are a little dim and the 10 second and second tubes are bright as hell. Getters are all good so it isn't a leak, but the emission is low. My 50 power supply crapped out, and I fixed it (there is a video on that one) last year.
Man, am I the only one who missed the grey and silver color scheme electronics had in North America in the 2000s
I have a silver amp. tape deck and tuner. Look much nicer than black.
i have the DVD shrink and DVD Decrypter here works up to windows 8 Was designed for WinXP but it will work all the way up to win-8 Also have Clone DVD as well theres many good programs Some won't work with Sony disc though, i think due to the Security or some thing on some the disc or Macrovision, but can get the DVD Decrypter to rip the encoder off then it will copy after, only sony disc give me that issue, those from Sont entertainment, might be security, but a bit of tweaking then it will rip eventually.
What are the limitations of DVD Ram?
Size (4,7GB as all DVD), price (the discs costed significant more than normal DVD), speed (nowadays nobody wants to wait to backup less than 5gb of data). But well, my old DVD-RAM-discs still read fine after >15 years....
@@hermannschaefer4777 why would you wait? I have a ton of things I can get on with while the drive burns. I honestly don't know why people are sitting there staring at it saying they are bored. Go and do the washing up :D
I use BD-RW and that burns at 2x speed if I'm lucky and takes up to 90 mins to burn 25GB. I use it to make an optical backup of the latest snapshot of my home directory. I thus get on with other stuff while it's busy.
Not criticising you actually, just wondering why these "people" are waiting :D
If they have many discs to do, well, get more drives. My main PC has two, one is a Blu-ray writer the other is a bd-rom dvd writer, I have 3 laptops that have 1 each, the Minecraft server has another bd-rom dvd writer in it too. Oh and I have a usb external dvd writer as well.
I thought most DVD/BluRay players can still read DVD Ram. Not in the caddy. But can’t most modern players still read them?
No, very few can read DVD-RAM. Mostly Panasonic dvd players.
@@12voltvids My JVC DR-M10 plays and records in DVD-RAM. One of the best DVD recorders I've owned. Outstanding image quaility with great noise reduction filtering built in. It also has a DV input on the front which comes handy when transfering from DV format. I just realized you were talking about DVD players only. You are 100% right.
I have a Sony DVD burner which reads all formats. It's on my Win98SE system with a DVD-ROM drive which is the only thing I have to read -R reliably.
needs a new elastic belt drive
DMR ES10 records to Dvd+R. I have one.
Not the same thing. DMR-E10 was DVD RAM only and was over 4,000.00 when it hit the store shelves in 2000. The DMR-E20 followed. I also have a DMR-EH50. It supports DVD-RAM, RVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD+R and has a built in HDD. Looks identical to the ES10 except it has a drive select button between the open/close and stop buttons.
@@12voltvids Right. My mistake. Great video anyway as always. Is there a fix for the dim leds these panasonics all seem to develop over the years?
@@johnyapp1 Yes a new display. (good luck finding one of those)
and now they are worth about £50
Try again. I have see stand alone dvd recorders fetching upwards of 500 for certain units.
Omg how much dissasembly..... You are și perseverent
It was a bit of work, but now you know how to change a belt.
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@@12voltvids I am sorry. I know that I stepped over the boundary asking you such a personal question. I am just so joyful knowing that I am loved by God, saved by Christ and am going to Heaven after I die. I am so happy that Ii like to share my faith with everyone, which gets me into trouble sometimes.
@@frankreiserm.s.8039
Second warning about religion or politics.
Sorry.
i have a betacam digi deck the price of them was high this can do well against the pro deck BEWARE DO NOT USE THIS FOR HEAVY RECORDING
like 100's of hrs you will kill it
betacam digi will win the race my betacam are still working this drive is dead
i love beatcam decks i have 50 of them all working pre read i love they are skipping them here in the uk one rent place i had a 2 x pallets of video recorders
now they are in my warm lock up at the back of my house all working just in case they are needed i payed £10 each the rent place was going to get a skip to put them in
it was better to let me have them at this price as skip would be more money it was the rent of the van £10 each video and the driver time luck they had a wear house
in bracknell uk YES YES the place that had the big fire right on the train in i was so luck they could have been in the fire this is true look i it up on line
This unit parbably has had about 1000 disks recorded on it over its life so far. I don't use it much these days as I have other decks that can use dvd rw and dvd +r / rw, so I keep the Panasonic's for the odd dvd-ram disk i need to play. As to betacam format i gave that one up in the late 90s.