What a great listen. I had the pleasure of meeting John in the early nineties at HMP Wandsworth. A larger than life character who brought a bit of light in a dark place.
I had the pleasure and privilege to spend a few hours talking to this man about fourteen years ago. He will not remember me, but I will always remember him. He told me a story about when he was on the run and went to buy a newspaper. I was in stitches when he told me and I still remember it now. I found this geezer to be funny, humorous, and intelligent. I always wondered where he was and how things panned out for him. Fourty three years. Disgraceful. I wish him all the best for the time he has left, God bless him.
These old school men are way more interesting to listen to, Dodge, I hate to make a request but if it’s possible you must get John Hilton on if possible. He’s only done one pod (SA) he’s about 94 now and knew every face imaginable and served 2 life sentences (separately) hard to believe he still exists really. Thanks, lee in Vietnam..
This man escaped prison/ breached his licence a few times to be with a dying relative and ending up serving over double his original sentance, id been in winson green for 24 months and still had 42 months left in jail when i found out my father was dying, i thought about escaping every single day, i was a mess, i just thank god i met my wife and had kids after my jail time, dont wory about jail being physical its the mental game that will get you
@Home.Barissta yeah your right but were not all perfect, good people can make bad decisions, this was 20 years ago anyway I've grown alot since then, and thank you 👍
@@deangleeson3595 Don't even give him your energy bro.. We all make mistakes, and I've made many.. But I'm a changed man today... Some of us are not born with Silver 🥄 in our mouths.. Be lucky Dean 👊🏽 All the best to you
What an amazing story of johns life.Related in the most simple of terms no glamour.The regret that door man shouldn’t have fallen onto him, there was no intent to kill anyone in that club. As for the Prison system he beat it in my opinion he wasn’t broken . Live the remainder of your life happy and in good health John .
Fantastic interview 👌👍 And about time someone in the know talked honestly about Bronson's narcissistic bollox, and the acolytes who he has fooled into believe him, the last grift being the " long lost son " demanding a public parole hearing. 🤔 I wish Mr Massy all the best in the next chapter of this thing we call life. 🙏🙏
Listened to John’s story on my walk to cricket at Old Trafford today. What an eventful life and you wouldn’t have thought from listening to him he was so violent. An interesting listen Dodge, enjoyed it. Another good episode.
He ain’t gonna tell us, cos he was probably one of the screws, mob handed kicking the shit out of John at 3 in the morning 🤷 Hence why he’s keeping quiet, tosser 🤷
Brilliant podcast Dodge.......again! Very interesting life story! I hope Mr.Massey can enjoy his freedom and rebuild his life. Certainly been put through the mill by the prison authorities! God Bless Him .
Thanks Dodge, you pulled it off with that one mate. John is East End old school. A fine orator,articulate and intelligent with a great accent. I wouldn't have it with him at 76. He's in good nick and looks like he'd chew your earoles off
43 years, that's only 6 years less than I've been alive! Yes I know he took someone's life - but it's hard to wrap your head round being locked up for that amount of time.
In answer to his question, he absolutely isn’t the worst of the people who’ve killed, let alone worse than all the criminals in or out in Britain. I work with some of the most violent ex offenders and he seems genuine, he accepts responsibility not just because of the extra 23yrs but through heart. Unlike the nonces that get 3yrs or less for ruining every child’s life they’ve ever come into contact with, most of those kids end up in prison or the mental health system due to trauma. In my opinion they are the ones that should never get out or a life sentence for every child they abused. Just like the children who never recover. VP wings are the easiest in any prison. That’s a direct quote from those monsters. I’m lucky I rarely cross paths with them. John you were done over and my heart goes out to you. 🤗
Interesting character. Not sure I agree with the argument relating to the severity of his sentence, and his belief "I'm not as bad as some people" angle. If you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime. An interesting interview. Im always fascinated how these people end up as heroes, or revered for what they've done with things downplayed to a "You've lived a life, you little rascal haven't you?!" Is it because they're all ancient now and because they look like someone's Grandad? Does that take the edge off what they've done in their younger days to make it more palletable? Good, interesting, thought provoking interview.
I have never once felt anything like emotions in these podcasts,but Mr Massey reminded me of big John Gallagher survivor of the Peterhead regime,battered half to death of the SAS and still a gentleman. You aren’t built for prison it is survival nobody thrives in the jail. You survive if your lucky enough to have a lib date ,as I always had and the lifers were by far the best characters I came across ✌️🏴
My old man was a REAL hard bastard , a coalman and slaughterman. He didnt use knuckle dusters. We have romanies in family and ALL respected my dad, he never got piss took like everyone else..he used to have a thing where pushed too far he would kind of black out then go mental in a fight. Jailed only once and as a result of another. R.i.p Robin (bob) Norton.
Class act as a man. What is sad is the fact he has so much time on his hands that he has all the time in the world to tell a story!! This isn't meant to be an issue but an observation as is never someone else's fault
One of the first things u do with new gaff is change the doors to open OUTWARDS. Climeinable windows need half securing...no place without basement...rest u can imagine, or not 😂😂😂
THE FEELING OF SADNESS IS HARD TO BARE DODGE...IF HIS FATHER WAS DIFFERENT ALL THIS SADNESS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED ..A LESSON WE WHO ARE FATHERS SHOULD REMEMBER AT GUIDING OUR CHILDREN WITH AS MUCH LOVE AND WISDOM AS POSSIBLE...SUCH SADNESS IS HARD TO WATCH NEVER MIND WHAT HE HAS TO CARRY
PRAISE JESUS FOR THIS MANS FREEDOM ...THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST AND HONEST VIDEOS IVE EVER SEEN,,, TRULY AN HONEST MAN...HONESTY IS A RARE THING TODAY BECAUSE WE ALL CARRY ALOT OF BULLSHIT WE CANT ADMITT BUT ALL I SAW IN THIS MAN IS HONESTY ... GOD PLEASE MAKE THE REST OF HIS DAYS HAPPIER...THANKU
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Lessons to be learned here, four minutes of madness cost fourty three years. Great interview, thank you both. Keep up the good work Dodge💜🙏
@@i_ampresent It was definitely an eye-opener thats for sure
@@zuu6023 just a bit
You forgot to mention someone's life as well 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Dodge mate, unreal. The questions you ask, the people you get on, the way you get them to elaborate on their stories, bring out emotion. Class
Much appreciated Kane and glad you’re enjoying the podcast 👍🏼👍🏼
What a great listen. I had the pleasure of meeting John in the early nineties at HMP Wandsworth. A larger than life character who brought a bit of light in a dark place.
I had the pleasure and privilege to spend a few hours talking to this man about fourteen years ago. He will not remember me, but I will always remember him. He told me a story about when he was on the run and went to buy a newspaper. I was in stitches when he told me and I still remember it now.
I found this geezer to be funny, humorous, and intelligent.
I always wondered where he was and how things panned out for him.
Fourty three years. Disgraceful.
I wish him all the best for the time he has left, God bless him.
These old school men are way more interesting to listen to, Dodge, I hate to make a request but if it’s possible you must get John Hilton on if possible. He’s only done one pod (SA) he’s about 94 now and knew every face imaginable and served 2 life sentences (separately) hard to believe he still exists really. Thanks, lee in Vietnam..
Dodge I’m only half way through Johns story proper fella is John hasn’t glamorised he’s old life hasn’t given any names out old school firm rules 👊
This man escaped prison/ breached his licence a few times to be with a dying relative and ending up serving over double his original sentance, id been in winson green for 24 months and still had 42 months left in jail when i found out my father was dying, i thought about escaping every single day, i was a mess, i just thank god i met my wife and had kids after my jail time, dont wory about jail being physical its the mental game that will get you
But if you hadn’t done the crime in the first place you wouldn’t be in that position, same as the guy on the pod, sorry to hear about your dad
@Home.Barissta yeah your right but were not all perfect, good people can make bad decisions, this was 20 years ago anyway I've grown alot since then, and thank you 👍
@@deangleeson3595
Don't even give him your energy bro.. We all make mistakes, and I've made many.. But I'm a changed man today...
Some of us are not born with Silver 🥄 in our mouths..
Be lucky Dean 👊🏽
All the best to you
I thought he was eloquent and 100% honest. I have known John and his family for years. A gentleman and genuine legend. JB.
A fantastic episode Dodge!! I love the way you present questions to your guests then let them fully unload!
Much appreciated Katie ⭐️
John was the best badminton players I’ve ever seen in the system, all the best for the further John
He kicked my arse a couple of times 😂😂
Locked in for the whole interview dodge!
Keep up the brilliant podcasts 👍🏻
Looks like a fantastic interview, will listen at work tomorrow
It’s an eye opener for sure 😳
Yeah Listening to podcasts at work rocks 👍
Really enjoyed this one, Keep up the Good work Dodge.
Stories we'd never hear in our world.
Glad you enjoyed it Dan ⭐️
Fantastic interview Dodge and thank you John for telling your story.
Fantastic!! Genuinely a man Of his word , true feelings in JOHN BE LUCKY 🙏🍀
"I had my baby, Terry, in Spain named after my brother" dodge- "what was your brothers name?" 🤣
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@@sneakybeach It's a car made by FORD.
Another quality podcast Dodge. John, that was a great listen, I’m off to buy your book now.
Another great interview Dodge I hope all involved find peace
This is the first real interview I’ve seen of a real villain’s life story and a pleasure to watch ….well done Dodge .
Great listen . Could listen to John talk all day with dodge 👍🏻 best podcaster about best guests
What an amazing story of johns life.Related in the most simple of terms no glamour.The regret that door man shouldn’t have fallen onto him, there was no intent to kill anyone in that club.
As for the Prison system he beat it in my opinion he wasn’t broken .
Live the remainder of your life happy and in good health John .
Love listening to the old school gangsters, what a lovely man John is!
Fantastic interview 👌👍 And about time someone in the know talked honestly about Bronson's narcissistic bollox, and the acolytes who he has fooled into believe him, the last grift being the " long lost son " demanding a public parole hearing. 🤔 I wish Mr Massy all the best in the next chapter of this thing we call life. 🙏🙏
Proper old school brilliant listen brilliant podcast mate proper nice fella John proper gentleman would make a brilliant film brilliant listen
Listened to John’s story on my walk to cricket at Old Trafford today. What an eventful life and you wouldn’t have thought from listening to him he was so violent. An interesting listen Dodge, enjoyed it. Another good episode.
Dodge , you have a unique way of bringing Out , your Podcast guests, Skeletons running away from the Cupboards! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Read his book, I was an officer at Albany when he was there, out recollections differ about how things happened
Are you able to tell us how?
He ain’t gonna tell us, cos he was probably one of the screws, mob handed kicking the shit out of John at 3 in the morning 🤷
Hence why he’s keeping quiet, tosser 🤷
Thank you Dodge and John, great episode, look forward to reading your book. Sorry for your loss of a child in Spain John, very sad indeed.
Brilliant podcast Dodge.......again! Very interesting life story! I hope Mr.Massey can enjoy his freedom and rebuild his life. Certainly been put through the mill by the prison authorities! God Bless Him .
Johns as legit as they come. Loved the interview. Thanks.
Another great interview Dodge, what a life, but not one id particularly like, but them was the times eh?
Another great episode Dodge!
Another great interview, thank you both 👍👍
good interview dodge, i could listen to mr matey all day long
Growing up in that hackney old st area angel just seems to be a breading ground for all types of criminals
Biggest lesson to be learned here is, if you want to be a real criminal stay off drugs and booze! Like all the Italians men of honour do.
Absolutely Wicked that Dodge!! I wish John all the very best! ….Smithy
Thanks Dodge, you pulled it off with that one mate. John is East End old school. A fine orator,articulate and intelligent with a great accent. I wouldn't have it with him at 76. He's in good nick and looks like he'd chew your earoles off
Another great podcast guys .. really interesting .. ❤
Hoxton N1 in the flats, John was a good friend of my old man
The one was definitely up there for me👊
Old school geezer podcast wow lovely. Thank you 💛
43 years, that's only 6 years less than I've been alive! Yes I know he took someone's life - but it's hard to wrap your head round being locked up for that amount of time.
Loved this one Dodge, you’re the best around at doing these👍
Thanks Si ⭐️
Old school con - Knows the score too
In answer to his question, he absolutely isn’t the worst of the people who’ve killed, let alone worse than all the criminals in or out in Britain.
I work with some of the most violent ex offenders and he seems genuine, he accepts responsibility not just because of the extra 23yrs but through heart.
Unlike the nonces that get 3yrs or less for ruining every child’s life they’ve ever come into contact with, most of those kids end up in prison or the mental health system due to trauma. In my opinion they are the ones that should never get out or a life sentence for every child they abused. Just like the children who never recover.
VP wings are the easiest in any prison. That’s a direct quote from those monsters. I’m lucky I rarely cross paths with them.
John you were done over and my heart goes out to you. 🤗
THE PODCAST LEGEND DODGE 🤩
Another brilliant interview
Brilliant interview
Brilliant interview.
Think I’ll be buying his book. I bet he’s loads of stories to tell- one of those guys you know aren’t bigging his tales up👌
Interesting character. Not sure I agree with the argument relating to the severity of his sentence, and his belief "I'm not as bad as some people" angle. If you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime.
An interesting interview. Im always fascinated how these people end up as heroes, or revered for what they've done with things downplayed to a "You've lived a life, you little rascal haven't you?!" Is it because they're all ancient now and because they look like someone's Grandad? Does that take the edge off what they've done in their younger days to make it more palletable?
Good, interesting, thought provoking interview.
Again drink every man’s downfall if you can’t control it one night of madness ends in a lifetime of hell. Brilliant podcast dodge ❤
I have never once felt anything like emotions in these podcasts,but Mr Massey reminded me of big John Gallagher survivor of the Peterhead regime,battered half to death of the SAS and still a gentleman.
You aren’t built for prison it is survival nobody thrives in the jail.
You survive if your lucky enough to have a lib date ,as I always had and the lifers were by far the best characters I came across ✌️🏴
Dodge absolute quality
Thank you :) Amazing
Fourty three years inside? What a sad waste of all those years.
Another great interview,good job
Excellent interview 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Another Great guest !!
Hope you are on commission for the books Dodge 😂 I have bought soo many!! Another one ordered!!
quality dodge. all the best to john.
Another blinder Dodge, thanks to you both.
Top class yet again…
You'll only ever see a suit that sharp on an old London villain.... 👍
Tremendous podcast
My old man was a REAL hard bastard , a coalman and slaughterman. He didnt use knuckle dusters. We have romanies in family and ALL respected my dad, he never got piss took like everyone else..he used to have a thing where pushed too far he would kind of black out then go mental in a fight. Jailed only once and as a result of another.
R.i.p Robin (bob) Norton.
lot of podcasts getting boring now. Your still pulling out good guests nice one dodge get Paul Allen from securitas on 👍
Much appreciated Ben 👍🏼👍🏼
Good luck to John for the future. I hope he has a long and happy life.
Excellent autobiography.
Class act as a man.
What is sad is the fact he has so much time on his hands that he has all the time in the world to tell a story!! This isn't meant to be an issue but an observation as is never someone else's fault
Hope your pal is good they are feeling and far between..if he is still your pal after all this time the man is proper salt to say the least
Most enjoyable 1 too date dodge, watched him on j English, enjoyed that too, great bloke, just unlucky on a stupid decision when young !
Great podcast dodge
Great podcast
Great podcast dodge more of these please would love to know who his partner was
Loving John story
Was in long lartin and Maidstone with John
I think i prefer people who have done good things rather than listening to scumbags.
Any luck getting Tom Aspinal on ?
Brilliant 👍
Some wise words and lessons to be learned from an OG
One of the first things u do with new gaff is change the doors to open OUTWARDS. Climeinable windows need half securing...no place without basement...rest u can imagine, or not 😂😂😂
This has tobe made into a film brilliant 👍
Cracking read his book is
Great podcast Gentleman,
Great interview 👍
Like your channel great interviewer a lot better people and vibe than your he podcasters in the uk
Kind words mate 🇬🇧🙏
Great podcast as well your definitely up there we the best host for sure bosh get mooshtips on the podcast or GAZZA if you can mate
Thanks Jack and leave with me 👍🏼👍🏼
THE FEELING OF SADNESS IS HARD TO BARE DODGE...IF HIS FATHER WAS DIFFERENT ALL THIS SADNESS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED ..A LESSON WE WHO ARE FATHERS SHOULD REMEMBER AT GUIDING OUR CHILDREN WITH AS MUCH LOVE AND WISDOM AS POSSIBLE...SUCH SADNESS IS HARD TO WATCH NEVER MIND WHAT HE HAS TO CARRY
I was in Pentonville with John, proper geeeezer ❤
Did he tell about the escape for pentonville over the gym wall 🙈🙉🙊
I was No1 listener in Da Ville
Hope youre ok John. All the best mate
howlife takes its toll
PRAISE JESUS FOR THIS MANS FREEDOM ...THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST AND HONEST VIDEOS IVE EVER SEEN,,, TRULY AN HONEST MAN...HONESTY IS A RARE THING TODAY BECAUSE WE ALL CARRY ALOT OF BULLSHIT WE CANT ADMITT BUT ALL I SAW IN THIS MAN IS HONESTY ... GOD PLEASE MAKE THE REST OF HIS DAYS HAPPIER...THANKU
Not that honest if he's been in prison.
Your spouting bullshit
He looks like the old geezer from the film mean machine
really interesting story..obviously times were harder in those days and for many crime was a way of life...didnt he pay dearly though
Respect 🫡 you sir
Uu got talent govner
Top fellow enjoy your freedom ❤
I thought it was footballer Rio Ferdinand
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