Why Phosphophyllite Chose Forgiveness ~ A Land Of The Lustrous Analysis || dolliipop
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- Everyone has been thinking about this so humanly. Maybe Aechmea was right.
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He did not choose to forgive them, he hates them and he says it clearly, he only remembered that his despair stems from being alone and that he has always been and will always be alone, that implies that his mission has failed.
Nothing has changed or will change, that is what he now understands about living in nothingness, he has understood that the feeling of the Lunarians is to return to being nothing because they do not care about anything except ending their existence, which is a perpetual lack of change and lack of resolution of their "human" dynamics, Phos is the only one who changes and evolves, only to understand that his purpose of change is meaningless.
In that sense, he is the reincarnation of the doctor, because he perpetuates the hatred of what is defined as human.
The name of the chapter is prayer not forgiveness and that clearly defines the situation, it does not imply that they have been forgiven.
Aechmea wants a god who forgives all sins, but the reason Phos prays is because he doesn't see any meaning in life.
I’m still wondering about the ending because if Phos does still hate the Lunaraians, what would be the point of praying for them? I personally believe that Phos prayed for herself, to find peace and move on from all the cruelty she suffered. And through that, she turns to nothing, leaving the Lunarians to still suffer. It’s also why I think the Lunarains were considered the souls not worth praying for. Instead of changing and become better, they tortured Phos into becoming a god and I think being left there with no hope is the ending they deserve. To realize how wrong they were and to finally change and gain the ability to pray for themselves.
@@nexferna7695 The funny thing with the Lunarians for being the Souls of Humanity, they're all a bunch of liars who make excuses, hate themselves and don't see redemption in his kind, a flaw species whom even in death still needs torture, manipulate and corrupt for their own good. Its true with one thing, they only deserve nothingness, i would create a better new species. And when i will die and be a soul, i really hope don't be such an asshole.
"if the most human emotion is vengeance, then the most inhuman emotion is forgiveness" omg that line is so good 😭
Yeah that line just became my favourite quote which I didnt have till now
@@tredecim_in my personal view vengeance is the most animal emotion while forgiveness is the most human one
@@ricky.t.1658inhuman not animal (humans are animals).
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I think it's important as well to remember that the themes of the manga aren't western, they're heavily inspired by Buddhism. In Buddhism suffering is inherent to mortal life, Phos needed to suffer in order to become human, but in that suffering for 10,000 years they also learned about the 4 truths (which have to do with suffering) and achieved enlightenment.
What are the 4 truths?
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u An extremely simplified form:
1) Existence is suffering, even the happiest person still has slight moments of uncomfort.
2) The root of all suffering is desire
3) Suffering can be reduced and eliminated
4) The way to reduce suffering is to follow the Noble 8 fold path
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And what are the 8 noble paths.
@@ColonelFrontline1152 extremely simplified again:
Right View, Right Resolve, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u Stephen Batchelor has also reframed this as the four noble tasks, which I find more actionable than merely "comprehending" these four truths:
Embrace life and the human condition
Let go of reactivity
See reactivity stop (AKA nirvana)
Act/Actualise a path
The first letter of each of these tasks spells ELSA (let it go ;))
There's this quote that Phos says that really hurt.
"Today again, I am here alone, that is to say, I have been alone since the beginning."
Which after many re-readings and learning new things. I realized that this is true for Phos. No matter how many times they help, learn, and fight. They always end up alone. Either by friends, family, or enemies.
Which really hurts because that means their whole existence is always meant to be alone. Whether or not it was intentional it's a sad little detail to notice. From the first appearance of Phos in a fleid, sleeping, to a God that will have nothing left. It's a real tragedy.
Honestly, I just want a ending for Phos to be at peace.
I really hope so too, the best ending for everyone is really just turning into nothing
honestly relatable
@@dolliipop The latest chaper, 107, Phos got the best ending. And they said, this upcoming April 26, the last chapter will release.
Idk why but I always saw a lot of the fandom getting super aggressive - which I get, my baby has suffered so much - but the whole point of the story, ultimately, was finding happiness.
There's probably more stories than humans about how revenge does not bring happiness or peace. What has happened, has happened. Rather than linger a moment longer on such a sad history, Phos prays for happiness. Prays to move on. Because no one was truly happy in this story, and all suffered in some way. It's almost like Phos is wishing away the story itself so that everyone is ultimately happy, as their suffering is ended.
yes, everyone has been thinking so humanly about this!! this is so refreshing, i adore your comment !! 💖
he was too nice fr. its awful how he was driven to insanity by so many factors even i have trouble understanding
Logically by the way, this sort of means sensei's glitch was his not being able to forgive humanity, for making him alone.
So the machine itself isn't broken. Kongo's just done with everyone's bs.
Wouldn’t that make him human?
I was also angry about how phos forgave them but then I realized after reading a few chapters before, that after they broke and shattered everyone, they realized how wrong they were and just wanted peace. Also, phos finally got the job they searching for. They went through a lot and I was annoyed but I'm glad now that it seems like that phos may get a happy ending
"Phos finally got the job they were searching for" YOOO HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THIS? That's so terrible, what an incredible note thank you.
I am so glad to see this video pop up since a lot of people do not understand how beautiful the ending actually is because the 10000 years was not suffering that a lot of people thought, but it was 10000 years of peace from lunarian attacks and criticism from other gems. This was what Phos wanted all along.
I never thought of it like that but you're so right!! just peace on earth for centuries
I think Phos ascended to godhood in a sense. And the fact that they were left alone to suffer for the world's sins and still did not harbor animosity towards her manipulators, is such an immense act of character it brings one to tears. All the gems and Lunarians did while Phos was gone, was to party. A meaningless existence of indulgence and debauchery. Oblivious to everything but their desires.
They all deserve to go to hell, or the buddhist equivalent. A being worthy of being saved would have chosen to not have Phos pray for them, but rather stand by their side. Even if it were to be only the two of them until the end of time.
Amazing job!!! I know it was a pain with Mangadex going down left and right but you did awesome! Great explanation on Enma and even Kongo’s face on Ch 98 even at this point (although I just started a reread) didn’t quite understand it myself.
Thank you so much !! I hope you understand it a little bit more now :)! It was a huge pain with mangadex but luckily it came back up in time, yay !!
I never hated any of the gems for abandoning Phos because i undertand that I would do the same in their place. Its basically choosing sanity and happiness of entire society over one individual. If we had opportunity to vote and sacrifice someone off for out own good we would do it
you have to remember Phos is probably millions of years younger than them though. Imagine adults around you expect you to carry the burden of saving everyone while they all whine how useless you are and how they have it SOOOO much harder!
Any child would go insane, Phos are pretty tame for someone who got abondoned, used, and thrown away repeatedly eventhough they always try to help.
Shiro the dog managed to obtain nothingness without Sensei having to pray for it, that means there's actually another way. Another way that they didn't bother to search for and rather become such vile people towards an innocent child that knows nothing.
Phos are abondoned by everyone. Sensei, the gems, the lunarians... Even that jellyfish queen who said she regret betraying Phos... only to get revived and betray her again.
I wouldn't say I would sacrifice myself to be a hero and become the praying machine, but i certainly wouldn't allow them to do such awful things to Phos.
In fact I would encourage Phos to only pray away everyone once they all recite every single awful things they say and did to Phos. Every single person, recite everything bad they remember doing to Phos. If Phos remember those things and they didn't recall a few, then no nothingness for them.
I'll wait, together with the gems, lunarians, jellfish, no matter how long, millions, billions, I will wait until everyone basically in tears and apologize how awful they are to Phos. They created Phos as a god, they better treat her as one.
Also another point, old morg and goshe were seemingly the only ones who could’ve been friends with phos on a big sibling-little sibling level; both got taken. So that opportunity is robbed of Phos and Phos is left to be a big sibling to new morg and goshe. Enma consistently robs Phos of opportunities to have a normal upbringing and Phos is left to be of the older group that remembers both of them; constantly matured by not even getting the opportunity to be young and “little” in a way. Being stuck to their position even more so by the gaze of new younger gems. :( this is part of the reason why I like old morg and goshe at least storywise and character wise.
From my point of view, praying was all there was to do. The Lunarians, The Gems. They make Phos hurt. Whether it be from how they used them, tortured them, or simply from how Phos feels about them, their existence is pain to Phos. If that's the case, wouldn't the most logical conclusion is to remove them from the equation?
I too wanted revenge and justice and retribution. But it's been millennia. Tireless. Constant. Monotone Millennia. What can Phos even do to obtain their revenge if they wanted to? Kill them? Torture them? Keep them alive? Lunarians are eternal and never changing. It's simply a stalling of time.
When faced with the infinity of time, surely at a given point, when there's only two choices, the other one will be made as well.
This is such a simple but effective answer! Aechmea got what he wanted in the end, but surely, it might make Phos become at ease this time
I hope they are put to ease 😭
"if the most human emotion is vengeance, then the most inhuman emotion is forgiveness" actually hit me pretty hard for some reason.
Maybe I'm reflecting on my own experience, but I've never really hated any of the characters for basically brushing off Phos in the end. It's ... Lifelike. It's a hard truth I had to learn, but there's no one in my life who would choose me first over themselves. But is that selfish? Does that make them evil? For living? Are we not hypocritical when we call out the other gems for abandoning Phos, when we have all inevitably abandoned someone, probably without realizing - we have other things to think about. Does that make us evil? We do as much good as we can for others, but at the end of the day we will choose ourselves. Does that make us evil? Well, that's a philosophical debate.
To me everyone was like why pray for them after everything they did to Phos but imo, what I saw was Phos said they'll pray but Phos never stated who they'll pray for. Just that Phos would pray in general so imo I think Phos just left them but that's just my opinion.
imagine they organize them in single file for who to pray for first HAHA aechmea would be like not this shit again
At least Morganite and Goshenite didn't treat Phos awfully like Bort, like Phos actually shared a sort of healthy relationship with them while Ventricosus may have truly regretted her actions which explains the extreme loyalty of the Admirabilis to Phos to the point where one of them were willing to tear off their shell for Phos(that panel had seriously haunted me for a while)
Please remember this is the way I interpreted this chapter! Feel free to disagree with me in the comments! I hope this video is easy to understand and isn't too jumbly, I was never good at writing analysis essays AHAH- Enjoy 🌸
edit: I SPELLED WRITE WRONG
I can't say that I agree, but this interpretation has helped me somewhat understand. Frankly I'm not interested in where the grand narrative wants to go after "Girls last tour/ Shoujo shumatsu ryouko" I care more about the individual characters needs and wants in what makes them their simple truth like ch 1 phos
(phos from the start has been kind, and forgave the snail king when they betray phos, whichis what makes it hard for me to see what's happened at all needed let alone justifiable) but this vedio showed me a new view, thank you and good vid
Actually I think you're right bc in the manga the moon prince even mentioned that phos is now over the human being
which I would think means he can't be no longer seen as a human which makes him to a god
It actually makes all now sense for me. Not only the meaning of the different materials, but also why phos looks like that in the end. To show clearly that he is no longer human.
Which makes his evolution more interesting. In the first episode he was just a child, but with time he grew and evolved, until he was no longer human.
Houseki no Kuni, is such a beautiful and elegant manga. With gorgeous art, likable characters, and a thought provoking story.
It's also very nihilistic with it's message. And nihilism is a scary and depressing thing. We want to believe that there is purpose and meaning. We want a happy ending and good things for those who have suffered the most (heck I still feel sad for Yellow Diamond).
But sadly, a lot of those things will never come to fruition. Happiness is fleeting giving way to suffering, until suffering is all that there is. Purpose becomes muddled over time. And meaning will loose it's...well meaning.
And I think that's why the fan base is a bit enraged at Phos' decision. The choice maybe translated as forgiveness to some, but nihilistic to others. To go through this long arduous journey with a character who suffered so much, only to have their efforts spit back in their face over and over again. To lose who they are, become something else entirely, only to give into the idea that, nothing mattered, they were always alone, and that they and everyone else deserved obliteration.
It's a pretty hard pill to swallow, and I can understand why people are a bit upset.
man I forgot about Achema’s line about vengeance omg the ending makes sense now thank you! i think people are enraged because we really went on this journey of suffering with phos. Everything is from their view after all, and the other gems seem almost inhuman-as they are, but to us they represent the indifference of society in a way, the cold abandonment of an individual who embodies a search for meaning and truth (how I view phos in a way) and phos is the most human-like character, so when she chooses forgiveness in a way she has become a divine being of sort, something better than human. I think Ichikawa may view human nature in that way-something that needs to be improved on. But anyways these are late night thoughts, I enjoyed the video btw ! 😊
Masterful observation, well done, I'm very grateful for your perspective, I couldn't understand phos' actions myself, until now.
I'm glad I could enlighten you !!
On the bright side, humans CAN forgive, and forgiveness is divine!
Its the most beautiful story of all time. Ichikawa understands something about us that almost no one else does. They're willing to admit our narcissism. We hate ourselves for causing this. But we didn't really cause it, did we? Everything is always changing. We're just going out of style. And the next thing is something above humanity. It's a nihilism that becomes hopeful, a misanthropy filled with love.
"Once you're on the other side, burn the bridge."
So interesting thing, unless things are out of date, we never saw who that 28th gem that was supposed to be on Earth from the beginning is/was. 28 is the count even including Kongo-sensei, the Amethyst twins, and the whole Ghost Quartz/Cairngorm situation. We've only seen 27.
You think they might play a bigger role?
You have such a calming voice and a beautiful look on HNK😄
awww thank you 😭😭💖🌸
No one thanked phos even tried to apologize they just showed up : you know what we want now give it to us
Honestly I think phos should’ve refused
Yes it’s in the line of Buddhism to reject those kinds of feelings but the lustrous the slugs and the lunarians are NOT worthy of being prayed into the next life their still miserable
I dont think the Professor is eating chips, I think she's just dabbing the blood off her lips with a napkin
I did not see this, in your point of view to explain why she did that but I absolutly agree.
To add another reason, i would say that : the professor says that like everything change including human, this like a law of the nature of any believe/religion, we know Phos is aware of that and to change this she have to not kill them because it means that would still have a part of human and it does not like delete the rest of the human in the universe.
Phos unwillingly took the jesus route
i must say, we have very similar analysis, but I realize trying to make sense of everything and attempting to understand really doesn't erase any feelings of frustration and unfairness, as a human myself with human emotions intact while reading. This fictional characters would have to wait until I become a God before I can forgive any one of them. As other comments have opened up about, I'm sure the philosophy, the religion and its lessons or symbolism are probably just too foreign for me to digest or accept.
Thank you for this video! It was well explained and really chill. I really like the opposition Human: Vengeance VS God: Forgiveness.
Could be a really good philosophical debate,
Thank you for your work and hope your gonna make more of it!
I really did want to see Phos send them to an eternal torment in gem hell but I get why the author went the direction that they did.
Well, even in every religion, God is never vengeful. Revenge is beneath God. Because God is always right. God never wronged anyone either. Even when God tries to guide, humanity is too proud to obey. That pride is the one that always lead them astray. The one that wronged humanity has always been humanity's own ego. So that is why when human asks God for forgiveness, God will always forgive. But sins must be purged, must be cleansed. Cleaning things mean you have to strip it, scrub it, boil it, burn it, scrape it, shred it, and do just about everything you do when you clean a stubborn stain in the dirtiest place of your home. That is Hell's purpose. Sins are dirts of humanity. So to forgive humanity, God has to clean them first. Hell is to help human forgive themselves. Hell is not hate. Hell is forgiveness. God is always forgiving. The greatest torture in Hell is not the cleaning process of the soul, but humanity's own guilt.
Guilt is a prison without bars, a chain without chains, a lock without locks. You are free, but your mind and heart will always be your jailor.
That is why the two men that hurts Phos the most is in pain. They are forgiven, but they are not free. Forgiveness is more for ourselves than for the person who hurts us.
this was such a good analysis and definitely broadened my own understanding a lot. I wasn't making the connection that Aechmea wanted to make Phos more than human for some reason, but now it's finally clicked for me after you said he wanted to make them a God. The most inhuman thing to do being forgiveness is such a good point and hurts so bad.
I too was in the camp of not wanting Phos to pray, but I'm glad they did after all. No one deserves Phos after what they did to them after all haha.
(Also thank you for noting that Sensei misinformed Antarcticite, this lets me cope lol)
Now I want just an analysis of God Phos in general and her chatting with the Rocks and Brongo (the eyeball)
Cuz I see barely any videos talking aboit God Phos' design, quirks, etc.
I really enjoyed this video it was very well crafted👌
Wow this is an incredible video you are seriously an incredible writer 😊❤:>>> keep making amazing content
Aww, thank you, you flatter me
Good break down and idea. It will helped some people to try and understand phos action. They need to get over their disappointment first though lol. Phos action was very unthinkable and very anti climaxing from what everyone was expected. Makes me wonder what will be next?
You did so well with this video, I hope you do more like it
I will try my best to !!
I love it, I'm so looking forward to see the next chapter 😭
I loved this video a lot!! You did such a great job on making it
This is very good content, I also follow inspirashamul. You are both amazing
thank you so much !! 💖
ok but they all used him dirty.... no one even cared when he had m3ntal breakdowns.... everyone was selfish at one point.... THEY are the one who made him into monster aka human....well at the end forced into god this is just...
if you like any other character and you have read manga (anime watchers prob wouldnt know at all so-) you are a person who is making betrays to ppl.... like Phos is only character that deserves respect....
none other character gives a sh** anymore even tho Phos gave them freedom and peace with prays they were still talking dirty about her/him/it (lmao)....-
dang... I cant lie but I was crying for phos at the end....
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The only manga that made me die inside
A very insightful read into the story.
... Adamant did nothing wrong.
at least they've got their rock collection now
after i read the manga up by recent chapter i got feverish, it is just hurt my brain so much that my body turn sick
Now we got rock friends
absolutely amazing!
I can't wait till the next chapter
phos became buddha.
is tht manga really just ended like that?😭😭😭
Im just hoping for a plot twist
This is great!
thank you !! 💖
I need to know...why does the manga stop at 103...is there an end ??
A new chapter is coming this month !!
How are you likeing the new epiloge chapters
they're a little weird but intriguing!!
My eyes hurting right now since i crying like hell from this video
p/s: It's midnight and i still isnt finish my homework but i think i will finish it while crying than
Do your best !! Make sure to drink water
thanks bae!!!!
of course bbg 🥰💖
u make a lot of good points
thank you !!
Is this the end of the series or will it continue? I'm hoping it continues tbh
I think a spin-off is supposed to come !! At least from what I remember
@@dolliipop Oh I didn't know that, Thank you!
Of course !!
i finished the show a while ago and i really wanna start the manga, do you know where i can read it online?
Yes! Mangadex.org or housekinokunimanga.com - beware tho, mangadex gets hacked every now and then and the hnkmanga website has a lot of ads