the clip shows the said player not fall unconscious, right after he fell, he was still moving .. and they had a hard time deciding whether he was just fell and didnt required medical attention? too bad we cant hear the sound in there
This is every league. Have you ever watched a world cup? Medical team would run to side lines until ref waves them on. This happened even when Christian Erikson from Denmark suffered a cardiac arrest in the Euro Cup
This video did not show the incompetence of medic at this tournament. No one attended to him and when help arrived, they did not give him CPR immediately.
@@louis8743wdym my question are unrelevant, im just asking why the medical staff arent capable of it(which is relevant according to the video(my opinion so dont get mad at me)) But after doing some research about it now ik why
Banyak yang gak berani melakukan cpr dan harus minta ijin dulu karena takut di salahkan atau di permasalahkan di kemudian hari jika si pemain badmintonnya meninggal Hukum di indonesia sangat berbeda terkadang sangat menakutkan karena bisa menyeret orang benar dan di salahkan Jadi banyak yang takut melakukan tindakan yang salah jadinya harus minta ijin dulu untuk lakukan cpr Disini hukum bisa menyeret orang benar Sudah banyak kasusnya termasuk kasus yang terjadi di vina cirebon
No one did CPR nor brought defib because no one knows he got heart attack, because, as clearly shown, he’s still moving and/or still had some conscious. If you got an emergency medical training, you’re specifically told to NOT do CPR on someone with a beating pulse. The title of the video gave a false impression that everyone knew he got heart attack in that moment at the court.
MEDICAL PROCEDURE DOES NOT ALLOW CPR OR AED APPLIED TO PERSON THAT STILL HAS HEARTH BEAT.. You see that the player still moving when medic come to handle him.. CPR may be applied on ambulance when his hearth really stopped.. But we don't see the video in here
@@roxdbox CPR is not just assessing for a beating pulse or performing chest compressions. It also involves assessing for a patent airway and normal breathing, but the paramedics did none of those assessments. In all out-of-hospital cases, an AED assessment is needed to rule out an abnormal cardiac rhythm. When in doubt, one cycle of chest compressions can be done on a beating heart with minimal complications.
@@ahmadganteng7435 CPR is not just assessing for a beating pulse or performing chest compressions. It also involves assessing for a patent airway and normal breathing, but the paramedics did none of those assessments. In all out-of-hospital cases, an AED assessment is needed to rule out an abnormal cardiac rhythm, not just a VF or pulseless VT. The criteria of starting CPR is "abnormal breathing", not "presence of movement". When in doubt, one cycle of chest compressions can be done on a beating heart with minimal complications and can be done on the spot, not just in the ambulance. Please read up on the latest ALS guidelines.
@@wonghongweng It’s literally called cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Reviving one’s blood circulation. I think you’re mistaking it with mouth to mouth resuscitation or artificial respiration (reviving or helping one’s breath). In that case, you can see the medics already trying to help his breath by helping/holding his head, and just right at the end of the video you see another medic brings out a stretcher to lay him on his back. Again, on the video, it’s clear he is still moving and probably still conscious. This video is a bit disingenuous because it gives the impression that the cardiac arrest happened on the court (which is clearly not since we can see he’s still moving). He maybe went into arrest while on the ambulance or at the hospital, but definitely not at that court (or at least in that moment on that video). You just don’t call “heart attack!” to every person you see trip or fell over.
@@hornet_2881 The athlete received cardiopulmonary resuscitation . At the request of the Chinese official team, the athlete was then transferred to Sardjito General Hospital for critical treatment, but his life could not be saved.
@@LanguorousEngineeryes. Indonesian officials (no matter the organization) tend to do that. The old "saving face by giving lip service" policy. Even if it means blatantly lying
The "PERMISSION" excuse is just to cover up the fact that they were not prepared for an emergency. Highly incompetent response from emergency "team". Only quick when giving excuses, explanations and platitudes. I saw that they were not fast or decisive or confident in rendering help. These are typical conditions where people are hired for some reason and they wear the uniform and carry equipment to complete the look, at the same time trusting that nothing will happen on their shift. A perception of being on stand-by is all it is. An image of readiness, an illusion of preparedness.
You are very wrong.. It is because in badminton history such incident is never happened.. So they expect that the player just having muscle cramps.. This is a sport that not using full-body contact like football or boxing.. This is very-very odd.. May be because the player have use some dangerous drug? Doping may be?
This shows some underlying problems with professional badminton tournaments. Without going into detail, that rule stating that the umpire basically gets to control everything is absurd. The video also shows that the staff is incapable of reacting quickly to such situations.
That’s every sport. You watch the Euro Cup? Medical teams wait on sidelines until red waves them over. CPR would not have saved this athlete. This happens in soccer. You need a defibrillator and I don’t batmjnton has requirements for this. Only Soccer and Ice hockey require defibrillators on site due to similar incidents happening
Most likely due to HOCM/HCM, usually it's the cause of cardiac arrest in athletes. What he needs is an immediate CPR once he's pulseless, or else he's going to get irreversible hypoxic brain damage. They need to revamp this referee permission thing if there's a potential medical emergency.. that's just time wasted.
Ok agreed. But then he still got the attention. Most people would have far less care and more time for action. It's time but I suspect it's the vax. Because if this happens before, I am pretty sure they would have been prepared
U guys see the other comments and other news articles. Apparently no CPR was commenced. No matter the reason of cardiac arrest, even if his heart failed permanently we have artifical devices to circulate blood temporarily while awaiting transplant. The most likely cause of death is hypoxic ischaemic encephalopathy secondary to cardiac arrest, in this case the MOST COMMON cause is HOCM/HCM.
He didn’t trip and fall, he collapsed! Thats clearly a sign of an emergency, what kind of permission do you need?! They all should be ashamed of themselves
As an Indonesian, this is terrible. The officiating, the rules, the lack of concern for his *LIFE,* needs no words to make me disgusted. Indonesia is a proud badminton nation, and I hate to see my country tarnish its own reputation. Condolences to Zhang's family, hope this issue no longer happens.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Kinda weird u need permission to enter as a medic. It's not a boxing ring.... He collapse so suddenly and they had to ask permission. Time is of the essence in cardiac arrests cases. That's insane.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Check BWF rules about medics need referee permission before entering the court So blame BWF first before you judging others on one video inside your home You don't know what actually happening Don't give black mark on your heart
Even People in indonesia like to go to malaysia for medical check up, the quality of medical in indonesia is very low, always wrong in diagnose the illmess
@@jeffreysuharto747it's better to tell it so the government had a shame.. they really don't had a shame.. they already go to jail cause a corrupt act and they can do again go to office in government.. even drug dealer can do mayor of city.. scary place to live in.. religious Islam just an card identity not in put inside ur soul and act.. Disgrace place to live in..
@@JT-bs2lm If it is really a cardiac arrest, he will not have pulse at that very moment. And a competent medic would check the breathing and pulse first thing when someone collapse. Then Cpr if pulse is non existent to keep the blood flowing.We have training for this every year.
@@JT-bs2lm you don't perform Cpr on someone who has hard of breathing. The purpose of cpr is to keep the blood flowing and deliver oxygen to vital organs like the brain.
The procedure to respond to athletes needs to change here. You do not wait for permission to attend medical emergency especially when a player collapsed. Time is very critical.
@@chasedownblocks1736Processed foods maybe,nothing is pure and Original this days..Even you aren't immune to this illnesses as long as you consume modern day foods.
@@chasedownblocks1736 I don’t think this is common among young generation. I’ve rarely heard or known of a young person dying from cardiac arrest. Much less a young athlete who has better circulation than the average guy.
@@chasedownblocks1736 COVID-19 vaccine. i am also a young man but developed hypertension and chest pain 2 years ago in 2022 just few months after taking my vaccine. you can look it up how vaccine is causing this..
In a case of cardiac arrest/heart attack , the victim dies almost instantly. But he was still breathing after the fall , only if he could get timely medical assistance. Its so unprofessional , that it sounds like a conspiracy.
The Indonesian org. was not prepared , for such medical emergency situations & provided immediate attention to it. It looked like there was no CPR being attempted at that moment. Our condolences to his bereaved family.!
the medis in this country not value humanity as number one. When my father in coma in the hospital and need doctor straight away , but specialize doctor slept at home,he not come at all till morning, so just use another doctor that not specialize in his part.
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
covid-19 vaccine.. did you take the vaccine too?? i was also a perfectly healthy young man in 2020 when the pandemic started. in 2021, i got the vaccine. in 2022, suddenly hypertension, and chest pain developed in me.. it was inexplicable.. now, i have tachycardia like symptoms.. if you took the vaccine, you might find out sooner or later..
@@mdabdullah4379 Sorry Bruh.. Most likely your symptom is due to your own belief.. As a medic I have met many patients and ordinary people and never found anything similar to what you write
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Write 'indonesia' as complete name, not just indo, because 'indo' can mean anything. India also named as 'indo' by other country, especially japan as far as i know @@ridhobaihaqi144
@@jinkoplak The rich people in Indonesia have left without you telling them to, bro. Only you poor people stay there because there is no other choice.
@@wilsont1010Vaccine conspiracy spreader here. If whatever these guys say it's true a loooot more people would've died during lockdown, not now post 2022.
SHAMELESS TO INDONESIA. SAYA TINGGAL DI INDONESIA. TIM MEDIS INDONESIA MEMANG SANGAT BURUK, SUDAH BANYAK TERJADI KASUS KEMATIAN ATLIT DI INDONESIA. INI AKIBAT DARI BANYAKNYA KORUPSI DAN BUDAYA GAJI BANYAK TAPI BEKERJA SEDIKIT. ITULAH INDONESIA YANG SEBENARNYA
This is an Indonesian ranting about how corruption and sycophantic behaviors are ruining the country. If you don't believe the perspective coming from a local, then you are welcome to be another statistic
@@dandruff3414 why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
The emergency rescue handling is truly embarrassing, and the death of this young person, the rescue team should bear at least 90% of the responsibility.
@@memble4100lah kenapa lari kesitu kocak lu 😂 Gua yg di tinggal di Sumatra yg banyak chindo nya disini kaya nya aman aman aja tu chindo yg ada pribumi sering dimaki disini sama oknum chindo sombong Kaga ada tu gua ngerasisin org chindo karna gua tau kaga semuanya gitu Dan gua juga banyak temen yg chindo aman aman aja lingkaran pertemanan gua mana agama beda beda pula Apa lu setiap keluar rumah apa ketemu org pasti di Rasisin makanya lu bilang gitu?
@@genghiskhan6809 u have to go update your understanding on CPR and or Aed. This to ensure if in future u happen to have such situation the person that u might be saving have better chance of survival and u have less one legal case.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
dam, this brings back memory of a famous celebrity in china that was known for being fit and healthy. the guy also suffered a heart attack because he was on a show running around obstacles at night time.
I am puzzled. Fall down with head facing down is clear indication something terribly wrong happened. People around should go forward disregard the court rule. Anyway, I am not expert. Hope every party learns from that.
CPR should have been initiated then and there, the time on the stretcher without a cpr just added to the insult on the heart. Badminton rules need to be changed a lot. They are unnecessarily strict and umpires are like gods as if they cant make a wrong decision, and yet they are always said to be right. The medics who came did not know what to do. Action should be taken against all officials conducting the match. they were more bothered about maintaining pin drop silence and "discipline" on the court rather than starting the CPR. Maybe this boy would have been alive had he received the CPR on the court.
MEDICAL PROCEDURE DOES NOT ALLOW CPR OR AED APPLIED TO PERSON THAT STILL HAS HEARTH BEAT.. You see that the player still moving when medic come to handle him..
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
@@ahmadganteng7435 From the paddles also you can see the heart rhythm and manage many conditions before the heart stops beating. Why you want his heart to stop beating and then jump into action.
Who needs referee's permission when someone has a Medical emergency. Is a badminton game more important than a human being's life.. this is really sad. The committee should look into the negligence that occurred here to safe guard and prevent such instances. May his soul rest in peace. 🙏😞
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
This is really sick. That talent could have been saved with CPR. I live in Indonesia and honestly I am not surprised with the incompetence of the local medics. It hurts!
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
@@andyaoceanincorrect. He might have an underlying condition that no one else knew about. That is why screening is made compulsory since 2012 in football after a similar case happened
They didn't need the ref's consent to administer first aid. That is just bs. In many motorsports events, you do need to coordinate with the marshals as the track is a dangerous place. They are calling this the Day the Badminton Died.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
As an Indonesian, I am very embarrassed and sad about this incident. It is very embarrassing, for an international sporting event the medical team is unresponsive, slow and looks incompetent 😢
My goodness this is very sad indeed such a young person 17 years😊 just starting real life in reality. My condolences to his family , to his Coach and to his friends. Rest in Peace young fella. From Australia. 🌻🌹☘
Can’t hold back my tears😢he’s just a kid in my eyes😭his father passed away many years ago. It’s unimaginable how heartbroken his mother and sister are💔
- Delay because permission was needed to enter the court - No CPR... No defibrillator.... No checking of the airways/pulse... what kind of medics are these??
the family should take this into court and sue bwf, and this indonesian organiser should be punished. the other player was standing there like bruhh.. at least shout for help?? the boy is literally dying..I would do cpr right away. the face of the person talking really lack of empathy, he's literally happy delivering the news..
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
They turn fine people into soulless machines to compete with free women and men who are just talented in sports for medals as some fool pride to sport wash the regime.
As soon as the player collapsed, it was the delayed medical response that already killed him. We've seen people who've suffered cardiac arrest but received immediate CPR and medical response make recoveries, such as that player from NFL last year who collapsed during a game. The decision to not help him immediately sealed his fate. What medic waits for permission to help a person?
He's a professional athlete, his heart is most likely stronger than ours. I'm not educated in terms of medicine, but i think a screening wont help much More importantly is to find out what caused the failure of first-aiders to act and the lack of cpr+aed, and how to fix those problems
I'm Indonesian and I agree. I doubt they are even professionally trained, they don't even know what to do, they don't do CPR immidiately, and they don't have AED. I just hope BWF can ban Indonesia from organizing internayional competition for sometime, until they can fix its paramedics problem, it's for our country own reputation.
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
@@andyaocean dense? th-cam.com/video/f2efNM2tjes/w-d-xo.html it took 40s for the medic to arrive in a badminton field while it only took 20s for medic to cross a whole football field. If this is sop there is something wrong with either the sop or the referee. How did u know he has a underlying condition? You are delusional enough to ignore video evidence and start finding excuse for the poor emergency response of this venue. Literal joke. How would u feel if ur family member is the one having heart attack and everyone else is blaming him/her for underlying heart issue.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
What kind of tournament needs medics to make permissions before taking care of athletes?
Turnament under The Badminton World Federation's (BWF) rules ?
@@Cloudtidus1 this is indo.
@@Cloudtidus1 This is not even in China
@@Cloudtidus1the international tournament was held in Indonesia.
@@Cloudtidus1 Looking for any opportunity to criticize China huh?
need permission from the ref to save a dying child is so crazy... rip
Serious evaluation needs to be done to allow medical team to intervene directly
the clip shows the said player not fall unconscious, right after he fell, he was still moving .. and they had a hard time deciding whether he was just fell and didnt required medical attention? too bad we cant hear the sound in there
@@shoestring-budget08 imagine it was your family member. Can you still say this?
This is every league. Have you ever watched a world cup? Medical team would run to side lines until ref waves them on. This happened even when Christian Erikson from Denmark suffered a cardiac arrest in the Euro Cup
@@kurokurookie6609 3 detik udah cukup untuk memutuskan apakah orang ini jatuh biasa atau dalam kondisi berbahaya
This video did not show the incompetence of medic at this tournament. No one attended to him and when help arrived, they did not give him CPR immediately.
Censored to avoid compensation.
yeah that's unbelievable
Don't forget the umpire
Bahkan semua orang yang terlibat di sana tidak ada yang menyangka seorang anak mengalami gagal jantung secara tiba-tiba...
0:41 The dude was still moving his legs a little bit when they medics got there.
The way Indonesia handled themselves in this emergency situation showed they are not capable of hosting these international events.
100% agree
@@louis8743the incompetence is quite clear. Christian eriksen would have died here.
true sih.. wkwk
@@louis8743wdym my question are unrelevant, im just asking why the medical staff arent capable of it(which is relevant according to the video(my opinion so dont get mad at me))
But after doing some research about it now ik why
Are not capable words is like just another day in 🇮🇩. They just capable in corruption
So you need permission now to save someone’s life? What kind of bullsh!t is that?? 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Asians are so uptight they don't even say hello to neighbors
there's DNR but i dont think it applies here tho
Indonesian moment
@@Iuffycs It's literally the BWF rules
Banyak yang gak berani melakukan cpr dan harus minta ijin dulu karena takut di salahkan atau di permasalahkan di kemudian hari jika si pemain badmintonnya meninggal
Hukum di indonesia sangat berbeda terkadang sangat menakutkan karena bisa menyeret orang benar dan di salahkan
Jadi banyak yang takut melakukan tindakan yang salah jadinya harus minta ijin dulu untuk lakukan cpr
Disini hukum bisa menyeret orang benar
Sudah banyak kasusnya termasuk kasus yang terjadi di vina cirebon
No one did CPR, no one brought an AED. What an utter failure from the paramedic team.
No one did CPR nor brought defib because no one knows he got heart attack, because, as clearly shown, he’s still moving and/or still had some conscious. If you got an emergency medical training, you’re specifically told to NOT do CPR on someone with a beating pulse.
The title of the video gave a false impression that everyone knew he got heart attack in that moment at the court.
MEDICAL PROCEDURE DOES NOT ALLOW CPR OR AED APPLIED TO PERSON THAT STILL HAS HEARTH BEAT..
You see that the player still moving when medic come to handle him..
CPR may be applied on ambulance when his hearth really stopped..
But we don't see the video in here
@@roxdbox CPR is not just assessing for a beating pulse or performing chest compressions. It also involves assessing for a patent airway and normal breathing, but the paramedics did none of those assessments. In all out-of-hospital cases, an AED assessment is needed to rule out an abnormal cardiac rhythm. When in doubt, one cycle of chest compressions can be done on a beating heart with minimal complications.
@@ahmadganteng7435 CPR is not just assessing for a beating pulse or performing chest compressions. It also involves assessing for a patent airway and normal breathing, but the paramedics did none of those assessments. In all out-of-hospital cases, an AED assessment is needed to rule out an abnormal cardiac rhythm, not just a VF or pulseless VT. The criteria of starting CPR is "abnormal breathing", not "presence of movement". When in doubt, one cycle of chest compressions can be done on a beating heart with minimal complications and can be done on the spot, not just in the ambulance. Please read up on the latest ALS guidelines.
@@wonghongweng It’s literally called cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Reviving one’s blood circulation. I think you’re mistaking it with mouth to mouth resuscitation or artificial respiration (reviving or helping one’s breath). In that case, you can see the medics already trying to help his breath by helping/holding his head, and just right at the end of the video you see another medic brings out a stretcher to lay him on his back.
Again, on the video, it’s clear he is still moving and probably still conscious. This video is a bit disingenuous because it gives the impression that the cardiac arrest happened on the court (which is clearly not since we can see he’s still moving). He maybe went into arrest while on the ambulance or at the hospital, but definitely not at that court (or at least in that moment on that video). You just don’t call “heart attack!” to every person you see trip or fell over.
They never gave him cpr and there were no trained 1st Aiders
do you even watched the video?
@@rokurotarou no cpr
@@rokurotarou th-cam.com/video/AG7vuIzPrhg/w-d-xo.html video
@@louis8743Im pretty sure they didnt do CPR, they just grabbed him and put him on the ambulance of where they pronounced him dead.
@@hornet_2881 The athlete received cardiopulmonary resuscitation . At the request of the Chinese official team, the athlete was then transferred to Sardjito General Hospital for critical treatment, but his life could not be saved.
Need referee permissions to save... This is basically not responsible and not prepared organisation
It's just an excuse they're using to cover up their incompetence
@@LanguorousEngineeryes. Indonesian officials (no matter the organization) tend to do that. The old "saving face by giving lip service" policy. Even if it means blatantly lying
@@dandruff3414 where yer from ? interesting. sound like defamation.
@@keekengho-jq1qe there's one
@@keekengho-jq1qe and there's one right here
The "PERMISSION" excuse is just to cover up the fact that they were not prepared for an emergency.
Highly incompetent response from emergency "team". Only quick when giving excuses, explanations and platitudes. I saw that they were not fast or decisive or confident in rendering help. These are typical conditions where people are hired for some reason and they wear the uniform and carry equipment to complete the look, at the same time trusting that nothing will happen on their shift. A perception of being on stand-by is all it is. An image of readiness, an illusion of preparedness.
Yeah me Indonesian agree too... So many incompetent people to take a held in government.
It's actually rules that BWF make, so it's international badminton rules.
@@Yasnaya_LunaWell, they need to revised those rules, this exact scenario will happen again in the future.
You are very wrong..
It is because in badminton history such incident is never happened.. So they expect that the player just having muscle cramps..
This is a sport that not using full-body contact like football or boxing..
This is very-very odd.. May be because the player have use some dangerous drug? Doping may be?
@@ahmadganteng7435 or body is weaker due to exposure to Covid numerous times
This shows some underlying problems with professional badminton tournaments. Without going into detail, that rule stating that the umpire basically gets to control everything is absurd. The video also shows that the staff is incapable of reacting quickly to such situations.
That’s every sport. You watch the Euro Cup? Medical teams wait on sidelines until red waves them over. CPR would not have saved this athlete. This happens in soccer. You need a defibrillator and I don’t batmjnton has requirements for this. Only Soccer and Ice hockey require defibrillators on site due to similar incidents happening
People take rules seriously that is even more important than humans' life 😅
@@marvinsulzer8258That's what I was thinking, everyone complaining about indonesia or badminton but it's literally the same in soccer.
dear u think a badminton court is a operating theatre, halo ? u sound.
Bla BLA BLA... kenapa China membiarkan seseorang dengan penyakit jantung jadi atlit internasional??
Most likely due to HOCM/HCM, usually it's the cause of cardiac arrest in athletes. What he needs is an immediate CPR once he's pulseless, or else he's going to get irreversible hypoxic brain damage.
They need to revamp this referee permission thing if there's a potential medical emergency.. that's just time wasted.
Ok agreed. But then he still got the attention. Most people would have far less care and more time for action. It's time but I suspect it's the vax. Because if this happens before, I am pretty sure they would have been prepared
He would need them if he had to travel.
U guys see the other comments and other news articles. Apparently no CPR was commenced. No matter the reason of cardiac arrest, even if his heart failed permanently we have artifical devices to circulate blood temporarily while awaiting transplant. The most likely cause of death is hypoxic ischaemic encephalopathy secondary to cardiac arrest, in this case the MOST COMMON cause is HOCM/HCM.
If so, every athlete go on tournament should bring their own medical doctor with them on the field.
Do not rely on the country they go.
well its cardiac arrest .. low chance survive outside hospital .
even he survive , he hv high chance suffer more later on .
he died at such a young age too, may his soul rest in peace 🕊️💔
Since corona many people I know die very young.
@@LyngkotSwer...😱😱😱
He didn’t trip and fall, he collapsed! Thats clearly a sign of an emergency, what kind of permission do you need?!
They all should be ashamed of themselves
Wondered if the umpire is even paid a pay to be there officiating to take these allegation.
What will happen if they did not listen to referee proceed to do cpr
As an Indonesian, this is terrible. The officiating, the rules, the lack of concern for his *LIFE,* needs no words to make me disgusted. Indonesia is a proud badminton nation, and I hate to see my country tarnish its own reputation. Condolences to Zhang's family, hope this issue no longer happens.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Kinda weird u need permission to enter as a medic. It's not a boxing ring.... He collapse so suddenly and they had to ask permission. Time is of the essence in cardiac arrests cases. That's insane.
Welcome to Indonesia where everything is moving.... Backwards
@@dandruff3414Malaysia too … abang adik 🎉
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Check BWF rules about medics need referee permission before entering the court
So blame BWF first before you judging others on one video inside your home
You don't know what actually happening
Don't give black mark on your heart
@@dandruff3414your comment clearly shows that you don't watch sports.
Permission to enter the Court for medical treatment? Tf is happened to this world
It seems nobody knows about CPR in Indonesia, even the paramedic. Scary place.
Even People in indonesia like to go to malaysia for medical check up, the quality of medical in indonesia is very low, always wrong in diagnose the illmess
@@susansudiono4640 It's just between us. Don't need to tell this to the world😅
@@jeffreysuharto747it's better to tell it so the government had a shame.. they really don't had a shame.. they already go to jail cause a corrupt act and they can do again go to office in government.. even drug dealer can do mayor of city.. scary place to live in.. religious Islam just an card identity not in put inside ur soul and act..
Disgrace place to live in..
Run
@@susansudiono4640 it's not low but expansive. Actually Indonesia like to go to Singapore😁
Umpire and the organizers should be sued. Medics are incompetent. No one thought to perform a CPR.
The law is extremely weak unless you make millions in USD.
If someone collapse, does medics immediately perform CPR? Unless someone is choking or hard of breath. I haven't seen a CPR as first response.
@@JT-bs2lm If it is really a cardiac arrest, he will not have pulse at that very moment. And a competent medic would check the breathing and pulse first thing when someone collapse. Then Cpr if pulse is non existent to keep the blood flowing.We have training for this every year.
@@JT-bs2lm you don't perform Cpr on someone who has hard of breathing. The purpose of cpr is to keep the blood flowing and deliver oxygen to vital organs like the brain.
The procedure to respond to athletes needs to change here. You do not wait for permission to attend medical emergency especially when a player collapsed. Time is very critical.
Terrible loss 😢 only 17
Yeah what’s up with this generation of younger people getting cardiac arrest?
@@chasedownblocks1736Processed foods maybe,nothing is pure and Original this days..Even you aren't immune to this illnesses as long as you consume modern day foods.
@@chasedownblocks1736 I don’t think this is common among young generation. I’ve rarely heard or known of a young person dying from cardiac arrest. Much
less a young athlete who has better circulation than the average guy.
@@chasedownblocks1736 💉
@@chasedownblocks1736 COVID-19 vaccine.
i am also a young man but developed hypertension and chest pain 2 years ago in 2022 just few months after taking my vaccine.
you can look it up how vaccine is causing this..
So young… don’t ever take a day for granted, my condolences to his family 💔
In a case of cardiac arrest/heart attack , the victim dies almost instantly. But he was still breathing after the fall , only if he could get timely medical assistance. Its so unprofessional , that it sounds like a conspiracy.
The Indonesian org. was not prepared , for such medical emergency situations & provided immediate attention to it. It looked like there was no CPR being attempted at that moment. Our condolences to his bereaved family.!
the medis in this country not value humanity as number one. When my father in coma in the hospital and need doctor straight away , but specialize doctor slept at home,he not come at all till morning, so just use another doctor that not specialize in his part.
I guess they're waiting for the payment 1st to make a move. What an embarrassment
@@robbyburnpipe7840what a stup1d assumption
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
As an Indonesian, I am very, beyond words, ashamed of my country.
It's shocking that that player who was 2 years younger than me(I'm 19yrs old) died from heart attack 😢.
My deepest condolences
covid-19 vaccine.. did you take the vaccine too??
i was also a perfectly healthy young man in 2020 when the pandemic started. in 2021, i got the vaccine.
in 2022, suddenly hypertension, and chest pain developed in me.. it was inexplicable.. now, i have tachycardia like symptoms..
if you took the vaccine, you might find out sooner or later..
@@mdabdullah4379 each of every human body react differently, plus nobody have evidence to tie the COVID19 vaccine to this case
@@mdabdullah4379 Sorry Bruh..
Most likely your symptom is due to your own belief..
As a medic I have met many patients and ordinary people and never found anything similar to what you write
@@mdabdullah4379 It just doesn't work like that bruh
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
It is very sad. BWF and PBSI must take responsibility.
1 min 20 sec before treatment is not acceptable.
Being responsible is NOT indo culture
Indonesia is so incompetence, even the hacker group took pity of us.
Write 'indonesia' as complete name, not just indo, because 'indo' can mean anything. India also named as 'indo' by other country, especially japan as far as i know @@ridhobaihaqi144
@@adashi7430yeah, then just leave from indonesia. Simple eh?
@@jinkoplak The rich people in Indonesia have left without you telling them to, bro. Only you poor people stay there because there is no other choice.
Referee really had a crazy power trip. Reveal his face please.
With this tragedy, Indonesia should be banned from organising international sports events.
😤 😡
Yes, correct.
Or shots banned anyway
I'm Indonesian I agreed
Do you still remember the soccers case? You should wonder why
I'm Indonesian, and yeah we need to evaluate things before organising next International sport events after this incident. So sorry for the loss🇮🇩
17 only. Too young. Deepest condolences to the family.
My heart goes out to those who love him & those he love. Really too young, rest in peace.
And also in advance to those who have the same underlying cause that may be happening over the next couple of years.
@@wilsont1010Vaccine conspiracy spreader here. If whatever these guys say it's true a loooot more people would've died during lockdown, not now post 2022.
bro asking for permission to help a dying person is literally a heinous act to commit
shame to the ref!
Shame to Indonesia staff
No permission needed for medics to help a person.
The fact that they needed permission to save a dying teenager is crazy. Rest in peace to him, he didn't deserve to die like that.
Disgraceful! A permission is needed to help a person with medical emergency.
Rest in peace Zhang Zhi Jie, my condolences
SHAMELESS TO INDONESIA. SAYA TINGGAL DI INDONESIA. TIM MEDIS INDONESIA MEMANG SANGAT BURUK, SUDAH BANYAK TERJADI KASUS KEMATIAN ATLIT DI INDONESIA. INI AKIBAT DARI BANYAKNYA KORUPSI DAN BUDAYA GAJI BANYAK TAPI BEKERJA SEDIKIT. ITULAH INDONESIA YANG SEBENARNYA
This is an Indonesian ranting about how corruption and sycophantic behaviors are ruining the country. If you don't believe the perspective coming from a local, then you are welcome to be another statistic
@@dandruff3414 why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Di indonesia ini banyak yang rasis dan membenci orang china
The emergency rescue handling is truly embarrassing, and the death of this young person, the rescue team should bear at least 90% of the responsibility.
@@memble4100lah kenapa lari kesitu kocak lu 😂
Gua yg di tinggal di Sumatra yg banyak chindo nya disini kaya nya aman aman aja tu chindo yg ada pribumi sering dimaki disini sama oknum chindo sombong
Kaga ada tu gua ngerasisin org chindo karna gua tau kaga semuanya gitu
Dan gua juga banyak temen yg chindo aman aman aja lingkaran pertemanan gua mana agama beda beda pula
Apa lu setiap keluar rumah apa ketemu org pasti di Rasisin makanya lu bilang gitu?
What utter incompetence from the medics! Why didn’t they immediately start giving him CPR?!
do u do cpr when a person is still conscious? get hold of your self.
@@keekengho-jq1qe Yes, you do CPR whenever a person is experiencing a cardio respiratory medical emergency even when they’re conscious.
@@genghiskhan6809 u have to go update your understanding on CPR and or Aed. This to ensure if in future u happen to have such situation the person that u might be saving have better chance of survival and u have less one legal case.
@@keekengho-jq1qewhat do you mean “get hold of yourself” the kid literally died
@@genghiskhan6809 Please check again with the doc on this point.
It’s Indonesia. What do you expect.
Nooo🇮🇩😭
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Actual professional organisation?
so if in Brasil how would u expect? if in china what would u expect? in Australia what would u expect? Share your guidance?
Brazil and Australia are not third world countries.😂
The tournament organizers let the boy and his family down. Pure incompetence.
dam, this brings back memory of a famous celebrity in china that was known for being fit and healthy. the guy also suffered a heart attack because he was on a show running around obstacles at night time.
Pitiful Godfrey Gao - CCP always destroys the most promising Chinese.
i thought that guy was taiwanese?
@@lyhthegreatHe was active in other country no? The channel was Zhejiang TV if I am not mistaken.
@@lyhthegreat Taiwanese-Canadian Godfrey Gao.
the Taiwan celebrity
scary to be in that country if a medical emergency happens yikes.
yep. your chances of being resuscitated really just depend on you and you alone
I am puzzled. Fall down with head facing down is clear indication something terribly wrong happened. People around should go forward disregard the court rule. Anyway, I am not expert. Hope every party learns from that.
Bahkan anak muda itu meninggal 10 jam setelah jatuh tersungkur
Common sense does not apply in every country.
@@HerichoTimpatiyes but had he received early intervention things might have been very different
He didn't break his fall either, that is a very big sign that it is cardiac arrest
Don't play in those countries that speak bird languages. They emergency medical services are extremely poor.
then there is no where on earth u can play then. get hold of yourself.
I'm Indonesian
And I agree with you
what are some other bird language countries lol need to know
@@arunanarina1316bro he's being racist towards our people and you agreed???
@@Lavasparkedyes, cause as you can see, Indognesia is incompetent.
CPR should have been initiated then and there, the time on the stretcher without a cpr just added to the insult on the heart. Badminton rules need to be changed a lot. They are unnecessarily strict and umpires are like gods as if they cant make a wrong decision, and yet they are always said to be right. The medics who came did not know what to do. Action should be taken against all officials conducting the match. they were more bothered about maintaining pin drop silence and "discipline" on the court rather than starting the CPR. Maybe this boy would have been alive had he received the CPR on the court.
MEDICAL PROCEDURE DOES NOT ALLOW CPR OR AED APPLIED TO PERSON THAT STILL HAS HEARTH BEAT..
You see that the player still moving when medic come to handle him..
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
@@ahmadganteng7435Dude, the body limping is already a sign of Cardiac Arrest.
@@ahmadganteng7435 From the paddles also you can see the heart rhythm and manage many conditions before the heart stops beating. Why you want his heart to stop beating and then jump into action.
Who needs referee's permission when someone has a Medical emergency. Is a badminton game more important than a human being's life.. this is really sad. The committee should look into the negligence that occurred here to safe guard and prevent such instances.
May his soul rest in peace. 🙏😞
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Where did u here this fake news
This was incompetence what nonsense to wait for the referee permission
This is really sick. That talent could have been saved with CPR. I live in Indonesia and honestly I am not surprised with the incompetence of the local medics. It hurts!
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
@@andyaoceanincorrect. He might have an underlying condition that no one else knew about. That is why screening is made compulsory since 2012 in football after a similar case happened
rest in peace, so unfortunate
They didn't need the ref's consent to administer first aid. That is just bs. In many motorsports events, you do need to coordinate with the marshals as the track is a dangerous place. They are calling this the Day the Badminton Died.
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Poor guy, at 17 yrs old he experienced cardiac arrest 😢😢 If I were his opponent I would immediately approach him and check his condition
The referee killed that child
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
Sad to hear this. Condolences to his family and friends. May he RIP. 🙏
Rip 💔
As an Indonesian, I am very embarrassed and sad about this incident. It is very embarrassing, for an international sporting event the medical team is unresponsive, slow and looks incompetent 😢
Ridiculous how slowly they attended to the young man. RIP
He could have been saved. 100%. SHAME ON INDONESIA.
Yeah shame on our medic, but don't you realize even the Chinese couch didn't even help
He literally stopped moving in 10 seconds. Let’s face it CPR probably could not help much.
So young. What a tragedy 🙏
So sad to watch this. What a tragedy.
RIP and condolences to his family and friends.
Watching from Somalia.
No immediate CPR done!!
He had a bright future ahead, it is heartbreaking to witness this tragedy. My condolences to his family, rest in peace young talent
Why no one tried to give him CPR, aren't medics trained to do that?…this is sad
A player while playing suddenly falls on the face & unable to get up. You need permission from anyone to give medical treatment to that person?
My goodness this is very sad indeed such a young person 17 years😊 just starting real life in reality.
My condolences to his family , to his Coach and to his friends. Rest in Peace young fella. From Australia. 🌻🌹☘
Can’t hold back my tears😢he’s just a kid in my eyes😭his father passed away many years ago. It’s unimaginable how heartbroken his mother and sister are💔
- Delay because permission was needed to enter the court
- No CPR... No defibrillator.... No checking of the airways/pulse... what kind of medics are these??
Imagine you need permission to save someone's life🤓☝
So sad 😞
RIP 🙏🏼
Oh my goodness that poor young boy! This is horrible! My heart goes out to hi family.
Badminton is actually a very intense game. Many in their 40-50s collapse during games. Those with heart conditions should be wary.
My condolences to his family. It must be terrible to watch your son die at the tournament.
Deepest sympathy and condolences on this tragic loss of an amazing player
My sympathies to his family, they must be devastated. Wishing them comfort at this tragic time 💐💐
Poor lad, I feel sad watching this. RIP
In the UK, the medics would have been straight on him right away with debrilliator to save his life
Deepest sympathy and condolences to the family on this tragic loss of an amazing player
My deepest sympathies to this young man's family, my heart goes out to you. 🙏
Rest in peace
the family should take this into court and sue bwf, and this indonesian organiser should be punished. the other player was standing there like bruhh.. at least shout for help?? the boy is literally dying..I would do cpr right away. the face of the person talking really lack of empathy, he's literally happy delivering the news..
Agree
I’m so sorry to the family. RIP young man
RIP 😢
The WADA should investigate.
I'm honestly more concerned about how a 17 year old could have a heart attack in the first place.
Overtrained. Something similar also happened to an Indonesian young martial art athlete a year ago. Poor kid. He could have great futures ahead of him
maybe taking illicit drugs to enhance performance , won t be surprising
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
Vaxx
@@dizzykillz 100% agree.
you see? what a soul it's because they trained hard to make there COUNTRY PROUD... REST IN PEACE
Yes
They turn fine people into soulless machines to compete with free women and men who are just talented in sports for medals as some fool pride to sport wash the regime.
As soon as the player collapsed, it was the delayed medical response that already killed him. We've seen people who've suffered cardiac arrest but received immediate CPR and medical response make recoveries, such as that player from NFL last year who collapsed during a game. The decision to not help him immediately sealed his fate. What medic waits for permission to help a person?
Heart screening programme should be made compulsory to all athletes who participate in such intense sports.
He's a professional athlete, his heart is most likely stronger than ours. I'm not educated in terms of medicine, but i think a screening wont help much
More importantly is to find out what caused the failure of first-aiders to act and the lack of cpr+aed, and how to fix those problems
@@Eric-yi2yl That’s not always true. A few footballers have had to retire because their hearts were found to have defects after such screening.
That seems to be useless in the post COVID.
@wilsont1010 what are you talking about?
@@HPPKC look up the correlation between the corona vaccines and myocarditis and pericarditis.
Obviously, no well-trained medical staff at the event. If it were arranged in Thailand, such loss will never happen for sure 😢😢😢
I'm Indonesian and I agree. I doubt they are even professionally trained, they don't even know what to do, they don't do CPR immidiately, and they don't have AED. I just hope BWF can ban Indonesia from organizing internayional competition for sometime, until they can fix its paramedics problem, it's for our country own reputation.
Nah, Thailand just same level as Indonesia
His coach didn't check how he was doing before the game. if he had a history of illness from the start he should not have played against Japan. it was purely the coach's fault selecting him as the main match of the tournament. This has nothing to do with medicine in Indonesia, in fact it all complies with the SOP rules in badminton tournaments.
@@andyaocean stop misleading others
@@andyaocean dense? th-cam.com/video/f2efNM2tjes/w-d-xo.html it took 40s for the medic to arrive in a badminton field while it only took 20s for medic to cross a whole football field. If this is sop there is something wrong with either the sop or the referee. How did u know he has a underlying condition? You are delusional enough to ignore video evidence and start finding excuse for the poor emergency response of this venue. Literal joke. How would u feel if ur family member is the one having heart attack and everyone else is blaming him/her for underlying heart issue.
Deep Condolences 🙏💐
It is situations like this that exposes the incompetence of people at all levels. RIP.
The other player also stood there on the other side of the court. No one rushed to his aid... what the f is wrong with today's world
why are there so many comments that vilify a country as big as Indonesia just because a Chinese athlete died fighting a Japanese athlete on the field... it is clear that this is a BWF regulation, not based on a team of medical officers... it would be better if the Chinese athlete just gave up if fighting Japan instead of cornering Indonesia is very ridiculous, this communist
In his defence it's not everyday you see a fellow teen suffer from cardiac arrest. Maybe he froze not recognising the symptoms.
He definitely wanted to help since he looks restless and coming nearer but the referee stopped him
Seems like an undiagnosed cardiomyopathy.
Condolence to Zhang Zhijie family from Malaysia. RIP
R.i.p. young man. So tragic
This is very scary I'm the same age as him and paranoid about my heart
Drink more water lol. He proabbly overheated
Hope you didn't take the vax.
The divine concoction...
It will be scarier when you know about what causes this.
dump referee + dump medic = Dump
RIP....🙏🙏
So sad. May his soul RIP.
Safe and effective vaccine.
I was just reading this on BBC literally 1 minute before; So sad for the young man. RIP
My condolences to his family, friends and teammates. Only 17 that is so young.
Rest in Peace and condolences to the family. He died doing what he loved.
Has this player taken the C19 vaccine?
obviously