Dad Flies Drunk - Gets Son Killed!
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- What happens when a pilot flies drunk? Find out as we look at three stories about a pilot that flew drunk, a dad that was drunk and tried to take his son flying, and a dad that drank alcohol while his son flew the plane.
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I have a colleague who holds a pilot license. He tells me the reason drunk airmen are so much more rare than drunk drivers, is the fact that they usually end up dead before being caught anyway. A drunk driver can always take it slow and appear sober, whereas a pilot always has to be attentive and ready to face the unforseen.
I cant even ride a motorcycle after one beer. As a kid i flew small planes for about 4 years and cant imagine flying drunk.
@@lindaorr1028 One thing I found when learning to fly, is that it is a lot more demanding than driving. Full mental clarity, attention, and eye-hand coordination are all required. I can drive fine after 2 beers (that's still under the legal limit here, before anyone wonders. Plus these days I strictly drink 0% ABV beers when I have to drive). But flying? One day I went up with my CFI after nothing worse than a bad night's sleep, and my performance suffered noticeably. There was a good lesson learned: you really need to be on your game, and that means no alcohol and a good night's rest.
I don't notice anything at all after having had one beer, but once I tried flying a small R/C helicopter after a single drink. Nope, didn't work. Your performance is impacted well before you actually notice the effects of alcohol.
Most cases of aircrew being impaired through alcohol occurs on the airlines, as booze is always available, there are few other amusements, and they can get, at short notice, rostered to fly a route when they thought they'd not be. The ones that get caught are the ones who prefer not to explain why they can't fly - and hope they're sober - more often than not. No sane aircrew member would ever fail to report another member being impaired for flight, and this is especially true for pilot. Of course they'd do everything in their power to deal with the issue quietly - and a good employer will extend at least one chance to a pilot who is alcoholic to get treatment, providing he self-refers, rather than is caught trying to fly drunk. If the latter occurs, he may as well tear up his license then and there, and his next job will be making license-plates!
Wow.. That is so wise to say Mr Obvious.. Wooooow !
@@CFITOMAHAWK2 The point I was making is that it's vanishingly-rare for a private-pilot to fly drunk. In a 30 year career I never heard of a single instance of it happening - during which time a couple of airline pilots did get caught, however. I'd be surprised if it were different in the US.
I am not a pilot, just a daughter who spent so many wonderful hours with my dad while he flew out of Lilydale Airport in Melbourne Australia. My father was a perfectionist in everything he did, and I trusted him implicitly every time we flew. He never scared me and he certainly never drank alcohol. I am so grateful for those times as he died last December, aged 87, not flying for 15yrs due to heart issues, but he missed it until he died.
R.I.P 🙏
@@ianmangham4570 thank you so much. His passion was always flying, he was a very successful man and flying was where he felt completely free. I miss him. Such a great dad.
I'm also a daughter of a (commercial) pilot..rest in Peace to both our dads, miss him every day🙏🌹🛫
@@gabrielle-AV-n-PFloyd ❤
Your dad and my dad were very much alike. Sincerest condolences to you, I know you miss him too.
That ATC was so calm and professional but you just know her heart must have been hammering when she recognised what she was dealing with.
It's obvious that she recognized that something was wrong, too bad she couldn't do anything about it. That guy was only lucky that he didn't kill himself.
Probably thought it was hypoxia
Edit: just got to the part where she was asking about oxygen issues
@@dx1450I’d say lucky enough he didn’t kill hikself and has to live with it.
@@thebenbermanI doubt she thought it was hypoxia. Probably just said that to give him an out until he could land and be arrested.
@dx1450 How is that lucky? You want him to survive to do it again?
I knew a pilot about 50 years ago that told me, “If he had just popped a top on a beer and took just one sip and then stopped drinking, he would not fly an airplane for at least 24 hours. He was a good man.
The old, no old/bold pilots thing is cliché but accurate.
Gentlemen of the skies ✈
outstanding
Fkn lies
Yah met him at an AA meeting..
0.288 is SO DRUNK, totally fucking hammered. He'd have to be a complete alcoholic to be able to fly at all with that much alcohol in his system.
Right! Some people just can't feel high enough it seems
What unit is that?
@@KillertoastGaming Something per deciliter I think. But .300 is potentially lethal, so .288 is insanely drunk.
@@KillertoastGaming Blood Alcohol Content
he was so pickled he wasn't injured in the crash landing.
The woman working ATC in the first segment is a true professional.
Aren't most of them? Atc has way higher standi than most professions. They don't accept marginal candidates, or they don't last long.
@@justforever96 Not for long!
@@jamesgullo8240 I think you must be referring to DEI hires. It's already causing issues. ☹️
@@justforever96They are under lots of stress all the time especially at a busy airport so many do become aggressive.
@@jamesgullo8240 long
I’m a 70yo Veteran and retired Corporate Pilot with 14,000 hours. I have never seen or heard anything like what is shown here.
Really? I don't have near that experience, and have known helo pilots who.....
Me too. Turned 70 that is. Had 2 major surgeries. Been flying flying MSFS since the Bruce Artwick days 1980ish and real planes since 95. So Im actually livinh on borrowed time (or bonus time). So nothing much phases me. But for this to happen? Is sad indeed.
Copy that! I'm 69 and retired with 14,000 hours just in LearJets (from check hauling for over 10 years). I've never seen anything like these last three videos either ... but Man, the things I've heard! 😮 ^v^
The words "veteran" and "corporate pilot" are not formal nouns; they do not get capitalized.
I’m a 71yo veteran of Arby’s and a 14069 hour ass eater. I have no idea where I am
That first flight controller was amazing.
Handling a drunk(or impaired pilots) is touchy as best and kept him communicating and interacting as best she could without being confrontational.
She deserves more money.
yes, good woman
Atc is paid well
Good flight controller - irrespective of gender!
where I'm from, we say "good man" or "good woman" as a way of expressing admiration and thanks - there is no particular emphasis on gender.
@@michaeljhdaviesmike3203
Well if they are not hypoxic they could be having a stroke which can also cause slurring of words. No reason to be "confrontational "as it could be a medical issue. Slurring words is not automatic drunk, And even if they knew they were drunk the only goal is to get them on the ground safely without hurting themselves or anyone else.
My English is not excellent, so I apologize in advance for any mistakes.
Just to clarify, the video of the Brazilian pilot was not made on the same day that father and son died.
And the wife also took her own life after their burial, not when she found out about the accident.
Just adding information about this tragic episode.
Keep up the great videos!
Thanks for the clarification, and your English is excellent 😊
You're English is excellent. My heart goes out to their families.
"Your"@@debbie4503
You write English better than many native speakers. I think you can skip the first line from now on.
Yours isn't (It's "Your English," not "you're English.")@@debbie4503
This one was a tough one to watch but wow... the woman working the ATC was the real MVP that day. She handled it like a champ!
Imagine how the son felt when things started going wrong as the plane was going down. Poor kid.
Yea, no video of that portion, obviously. Dad must have been panicking too. The fool!
it's too sad. he trusted his dad.
@@ChristelVinot Its a very sad story, for the 4 people altogether. Two mums and 2 little boys (a father and a son). I wish i didnt hear it but the 2 first stories ended peacefully.
I'm guessing this was a suicide and the child had no idea. The details of the story including the mother suicide after the fact leads me to believe this.
@@timarc9895 It wasn't his mom, it was his stepmom...she killed herself probably because she knew dad was an alcoholic and knew what was happening but failed to stop it.
There was a pilot in my area that would fly while drinking. He had a 335 Skymaster. Last I heard he crashed from fuel exhaustion, totaled the plane but survived. It's probably more common than people realize. Alcohol has ruined so many lives and families.
"Alcohol has ruined so many lives and families" truer words were never spoken. Its a shame how our society hasent found a solution for this issue , but instead legalizes other forms if intoxicating drugs🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
@@anthonyiannone7618 It seems the common denominator between both is an escape from having to see this world as it is. You think alcohol ruined those families? They were already facing ruin. They grab the bottle once they're done fighting back.
NONE of the laws against those drugs ever actually stopped anyone from acquiring them. In fact, the fact those people had to go through illegal methods of acquiring the drugs put them in significantly more danger than legal sale.
@@anthonyiannone7618 You're aware of the ongoing fentanyl epidemic, right? Illicit drugs are far more deadly than legal drugs, though it'd sure be nice if as a society we could find a solution.
@@Ali-e5h1b As you suggest, having a less escape necessary world or environments would be a step in the right direction. This can be done on an individual basis. On the grand scale not likely.
"I drank the vodka after the crash."
"Your BAC was .288."
"It was a LOT of vodka"
That’s pure alcoholism. .288 would have most people on the verge of unconsciousness, but this guy was able to maintain straight and level flight, fly a visual approach, and almost land the plane. It’s not like he woke up that day and decided to fly blitzed for the first time.
You have to drink a lot for a long time to get to the point where you can do that with a .29 BAC. And I’m willing to bet he’s taken off and landed without issue at similar BAC before.
He’s lucky he got arrested before he died or killed someone.
@@tylerbrown4483Definitely. When I worked for the sheriff's office we'd have people get busted for DUI at BACs that would kill someone not accustomed to that much alcohol. You know someone's an alcoholic when they can be approaching or over .3 and still be able to put their keys in the ignition.
Maybe the fire evaporated the vodka into his mouth?
When I first jumped out of the airplane (skydiving) myself and a few others simply could not breathe, I knew I would die, but in half a second I'm breathing again and land fine. I never knew why this happened but thought it was adrenalin. But now after watching this video I think it could have been hypoxia. The jump was 10,000 feet. Decades I never knew why.
I couldn't think of anything more reckless than a pilot flying drunk. Absolutely reprehensible.
My dad used to have me drive at like 12-15 when he was drunk and used to say the same thing
“It’s ok if the passenger has one right” alcoholics man they are something else
Stories like this are why I’ll never just have a kid with just anyone
My wife tells me crazy stories.. makes me think I had a cake walk growing up with a crackhead dad. Her dad had ptsd and agent orange from vietnam.. drank constantly.. she had to drive a car long distances(40miles) many times and one time she was only 7 years old.
@DeeRio9546facts. Choose wisely. Sadly people can snap and choose to go down that road(addiction) at any time.
Was he a good dad at all? Do dads like this even have parental instincts for their precious children?
Forgive how you want to be forgiven. Pray extra for the ones who hurt you.
I was a police pilot for one of the largest departments in the country. I followed an airplane into an airport because the pilot flew like he was drunk, in between high rise skyscrapers in downtown. He turned all of his lights off after landing at an uncontrolled airport and tried to get into his hanger before we landed on the taxiway (helicopter). Yes, he was drunk and got arrested.
Wow!
How many years he get I imagine 20 years minimum
I never knew police aircraft pilots had the authority to practically pull over a plane. I always thought it was military jets that would intercept and ground officers that would arrest. Learn something new everyday.
@@pilot-debriefWow!🤔 what a great reply😂
Wow, what a dumb community we live in that someone can wield that kind of dangerous power and there's no safeguard to stop them from being wasted.
in reference to the first video I was CIC that day and was assisting her, no names but she is a very good controller. That was quite frustrating. The audio must have been cut but when we asked him if he was solo he replied with " just me and the captain".
O.M.G. The Captain!?!?! Morgan I assume!
The first pilot had a .288 bac? That’s into pass out and go to the hospital territory. He’s got some tolerance for sure, not his first rodeo.
Not if you’re an alcoholic. Some people are functional at that level. Pretty wild stuff.
My first thought.. that would be one of the highest ever recorded lol
So proud of that kid for telling on his Dad. So scary. Im glad he is ok.
Kid knew his dad almost killed him.
Dad like that, you don't need enemies !!!!.
Doesn't the title say killed?@@snewsh
@@Crxcrx13 12:40
@@Crxcrx13No no, the death was the 3rd story. The 2nd one was the lucky kid, although unlucky with his dad.
I quit drugs and drinking the evening my first child was born. Never looked back.
You are daft if you don't think that the drugs you took while you were pregnant didn't permanently damage your child's brain. Brilliant, just brilliant.
Good for you man! I know that's a hard thing to do but you got my full approval. God bless
Proud of you. So many people I know that couldn't do that.
They say they miss their child, but then they keep doing the drugs that keep them away from them... I was addicted to hard opiates for 12 years. I know first hand just how difficult it is...
Lots of admiration for you!
❤
A friend got me into flying 40 years ago. He was building hours to get his commercial certificate, and I would split the cost to get some experience and hours as I was working on my private license. He always told me not 1 beer. We flew from Dallas, Texas, to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. At dinner, he told me to order 1 beer, and I would not be flying the plane back to Dallas. Within 20 minutes of taking off, I was drunk. It was a great lesson learned. I couldn't believe at 8500 feet how much of an impact that 1 beer had on me.
Interesting, so is there a compounding effect between alcohol and mild hypoxia?
Had the same effect drinking a cocktail at a high level ski chalet in Colorado. Was surprised at the effect. Fell down at least 6 times getting to the bottom of the hill
@utah20gflyer76 exactly. I would not have been able to drive a car safely, let alone fly a plane. I think airline pilots have to wait 10 or 12 hours between drinking and flying. I felt like I drank a six-pack within an hour. Trust me, I used to have a professional standing in partying.
Excellent point! It's also a good reminder that altitude may affect us in ways that we're not expecting. Thanks for posting!
@utah20gflyer76
Yeah. Alcohol hits you a lot harder at altitude.
Geez this was hard to watch. Hard to imagine being as reckless as any of these folks.
Good debrief, sir.
I could not even watch this video sadly, after reading the comments, as this video is too sad. The fact that a father or anyone would drink in the sky while flying with precious cargo (his son) is horrible. :(
I'll try watching another day.
Cool dad's like these guys are rare these days! 👍✈️🍻
Kudos to the controller in the first segment. She was outstanding.
Absolutely!
That is my aunt! She was surprised to see this video!!
@@luismaldonado0311No she’s my mom. Liar.
@@jochenheiden this is my mom, so you're both liar's for whatever reason...???
@@Control-Alt-Delete619 stop the cap. She can’t be your mom because I am an only child and she’s my mom.
When he said ‘jet test 420’ my mouth hung wide open 😂
420 blazeit f0k don’t make me ask for VFR again
I got that one too! Lol
My mom was a security guard near the airport to keep people from parking there during an airshow I believe. A truck came around the corner and almost hit her, she jumped out of the way. He hit a truck and a building. His truck was totalled. My mom asked him if he was okay and he said yes, just running late for work. My mom could smell alcohol on his breath. A cop was right there and ended up arresting him. The cop told my mom he was a pilot heading into work. Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada.
I can’t believe how great that first controller handled everything. Zero hint of frustration. Just safety first.
Back in the 1940s my dad, at the age of 22 was a captain for United. He always said to never drink then fly. He would always not have any alcohol for a minimum of 24 hours... self discipline ... such could be said for morals and so many things in life.
I feel I remember what they said is 8 hours bottle to throttle, but I do think 24 is a better number to go by, you can still have some alcohol left in your system after 8 hours. Note: I haven’t flown since 2001, so it’s been a while 😂
The scene of the man having his son fly was all too familiar. I remember being forced to drive at age 11 or 12 so my dad could slam down some beers.
The good part is I became a really good driver before even having a license. The bad part is my dad ended up drinking himself to a premature death.
Learning to drive a car is several orders of magnitude easier than learning to fly a plane.
In a car, if all else fails, you stop on the side of the road.
In a plane, you can't even slow down beyond a certain point, or you fall out of the sky. And landing is a lot like driving into a narrow doorway at highway speed, and avoiding the walls of the hallway as you brake to a stop. There isn't much room for error. You have to get it right on the first try... and then every time after that. (Of course, you can go up and around to try again if your approach looks bad, but eventually, you're going to land - either intentionally or because you're out of fuel.)
Driving a car? maybe. But flying a plane is not something I'd trust a child to do on his own.
Same here….when I was a young kid still like 11 to 14 i had to drive the boat or car a few times for drunk older adults.
@@eclectichoosier5474 well considering how crowded streets are I would say drunk people in small planes kill mostly themselves, drunk people while driving a simple car causes more harm most of the time. Well, you can check the statistics for that. It's just irresponsible behaviour like @Robnord1 mentions and one being more difficult than the other has nothing to do with the possible outcome.
I actually still think it'd be easier, having driven 18 wheelers and flown single engine planes. There's a lot more going on with energy management in flying a plane (although it does for sure also come into play with a truck), plus understanding how throttle and elevator trim interact, plus airspace and navigation and weather and ATC - and that's before you even get into complex aircraft (which I admittedly have only flown in simulators)@@He11ums
That's awful! I'm sorry you went through that.
This is my first time hearing about your channel. I was intrigued. You are very thorough in your analysis. I am a retired electronics engineer and appreciate your candor. Keep up the GREAT work!!!
This ATC controller woman is my new hero. She has the patience of a whole herd of elephants. Amazing.
Lol!💓🐘🐘🐘🐘💓I wonder if a clowder of cats is a patient as a herd of elephants?!💓🐈🐈🐈🐈💓
Legend has it Jet Test 410 still has the airport in sight to this day.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Growing up with an alcoholic father, this cut right through me. So tragic.
shi.t sorry. hugs
Sorry to hear that!
Yeah, it sure is an ugly thing to see as a kid.
I feel for you man. My father was the same and ended up taking his own life while being so intoxicated. Shit hits right to the core..
Ditto 😢
Bro drinking and driving at much lower speeds is incredibly dangerous. I've crashed on my bicycle riding home from the bar one time. An airplane would never cross my mind.
I can hear the inebriation in all pilot’s voices. Sad for son that he had such a careless father 🤦🏻♀️
I took flying lessons about 20 years ago when my children were still very young. I am not a very detail oriented person so while I feel I had pretty good flying skills in general, I also feel I lacked in making sure all systems are go. I played golf with a couple of seasoned pilots once and they talked me out of continuing with the lessons. I thank them to this day.
The patience of the controller, absolutely incredible job! And a shocking story, thanks for sharing and explaining Hoover!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a controller that would be terrifying
Good work. These are extremely important videos for everyone, whether a veteran or student. It's such a terrific gift to fly small planes teach someone about them; a gift that should never be abused.
Thank you!
If I'd heard about that last story about the drunk father without seeing the video, I would've had trouble believing a father and pilot could be *that* irresponsible.
Hey Hoover retired cc130J loadmaster went to AA after retirement almost 10 years sober and i could have had a longer career had i got sober sooner, great content and advice!!!
I like how you don't sensationalize any of your debriefs. Great work.
This made me so angry... What a complete disregard for your sons life. Not only did he fail as a pilot, as a father but also as a human being.
Excellent professionalism by the controller. She clearly knew something was up but rather than challenge the pilot or get grumpy which may contributed to an accident she guided him down.
It was 1978 and my father's friend was near the end of his divorce. When he learned his wife would receive possession of his prized airplane he went up in the air, became extreme intoxicated, and took his own life by crashing the aircraft. He did so in a desolated area as to not hurt anyone else, so at least he was cognizant of his actions, but still a very sad story.
What a chad, he sure showed that bitch. 💪💪💪
That's different from this but still sad.
DO NOT get married men.
Yes the wife sounds horrible
Equality is truely a thing. And women still claim to be oppressed. Very very understandable..it was his airplane. Not hers. If a relationship ends don't try to make money off the separation. Better don't get married until those misandric divorce laws get changed
Hoover you are utilizing your talents, experience, skills and ability to do good work here. If the content of your videos, including the exceptionally tragic one at the end of this one reaches, rattles and encourages just one aviator to either recalibrate (so to speak) or straighten up and fly right all together, then you're a hero.
I have a feeling you're reaching a lot of folks who've gotten way too comfortable or even better, provided insight to those who may experience a glitch in the future.
Keep up the good work sir 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
This content is very informative while also being respectful. Great job!
I am a retired Flight Attendant and I can not believe that any pilot would even consider doing such an unbelievable thing….
As another retired FA I completely agree! I was in Shock watching this! I feel quite naive!
It is so far out of anything I could even imagine. But on second thought, of course, a drunk doesn’t care who he puts in danger. It just in the air with children that blows your mind away!
They caught in France a United airlines pilot trying to fly back to America a passenger jet drunk not long ago :(
You should probably watch the movie Flight with Denzel Washington
@@Sushi2735yet another flight attendant. And I agree with both of you.
@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrrthat was a movie, tho
I did a hypoxia training chamber ride in the 80s and I still vividly remember that my first obvious symptom was tunnel vision. It was followed eventually by an intense upwelling euphoria sensation, like someone injected vodka directly into my brain. Connecting back up, the symptoms vanished almost instantly. But the weirdest part was I recall drawing my little geometric shapes, seeing them become lopsided and skewed and being aware of it, BUT NOT SEEING IT AS A PROBLEM even though I was supposed to me making them straight. A neighbor who was a chain smoker was in full blown euphoria, cackling like a dental patient on laughing gas, in about half the time as everybody else and the instructor had to intervene to reconnect his mask.
There is never an excuse for drinking and driving. Drinking and flying...that's just another level of irresponsible behavior. Actually, I don't have the words to describe how horrible that thought is. Thank you for sharing these instances, Hover, regardless of how difficult they were to process. And YES, if you have the need to consume alcohol at inappropriate times and circumstances, recognize that you might have a problem and seek help. There is more at stake than just you and your life.
Im an ex-drinker of 70 yrs old (12 years sober). Sometimes this is the kind of thing it takes for some of us to quit drinking. Unless you are lucky enough to quit having watched something like this. Now I dont fly drunk anymore. Flying stoned? Waaaay better! Yeehaw! Thanks for another great flying vid! (Crunch!) 😢😅
gummies are much more fun and chill!
It’s hard enough for me to fly sober. Cant imagine how dizzy it is to be hammered while flying.
Alcohol and cellular phones is why EVERYTHING is going autonomous very soon (2032), a i will start replacing pilots in cargo & airlines, cargo will be first. FedEx has test flown 6 of their 208 Caravans without a person onboard from start, taxi, TO, cruise, landing taxi in and shut down, 100% the whole thing. There's autonomous non-driver semi trucks being tested on I-10 between Tucson and PSP.
This is the beginning of far less humans and work.
As a father myself, I’m disgusted by both of those previous pilots.
I would fight a moose and grizzly bear in a handicap match for my son if it meant protecting him from harm. I could never be the one to knowingly put him in its way.
Those kids deserved better fathers and those fathers didn’t deserve to have kids.
I agree 100%....I have had nightmares that I did not do or say enough to teach and example my two boys and three girls....❤
Yep. Same. I'm disabled, but would die for my son. Never put him in dangerous situations.
Its a shame that you need a license to prove you're a competent pilot but the same can't be said about being a competent dad.
@@GrannyDrydenI will say that I have met many fathers who were pretty bad people until the birth of their children and then turned their lives around for their children. But that doesn’t change the fact that many others, far far FAR too many others have failed their children in the worst ways.
That wouldn't be a "match" as you'd be killed in 1 second flat.
9:16 He says "Yeah, I'm under the radar, squawk 1200 and have a great day!"
A story from the early 1990s A solo pilot flying from a Green Bay Packers game to Superior, Wisconsin crashed while still wearing his rubber Cheese Head hat. He attributes his survival to wearing the Cheese Head.
I remember that story.😂
I was living in green bay when that happened !!!😊
This is unforgivable behaviour and incredibly sad ..
This kind of hits home for me pretty bad… When I was in highschool my best friend’s dad was a criminal defense attorney who owned multiple planes. A single engine 4 seater and a twin engine 6 or 8 seater, can’t remember what models though. I’m not a pilot and not really too versed on civilian models.
My best friend at the time was getting hours to become a pilot. We would fly about an hour away to watch NHL hockey games all of the time. They had 4 season tickets. Well his dad would end up drinking at the hockey games and my best friend would fly us back home pretty much every game. I don’t really remember him being super inebriated, probably tipsy, but he was definitely under the influence. We would be flying back at night as well. My best friend was a great pilot and would do the entire leg on the way back, take off and landing. I didn’t really think much of it at the time. I probably even thought it was cool but I was an immature freshman / sophomore in highschool.
I even remember a time where I was in the co-pilot seat because his dad was in the back of the plane with his girlfriend getting sloppy toppy. There was never a time where I felt like we were in danger, no close calls, nothing ever went wrong but looking back now I realize how insane it really was.The fact that he’s a criminal defense attorney makes it that much more insane. You would think he would have better judgement than that but maybe he felt untouchable.
My former best friend is currently a pilot for Delta and has been flying for them for over 10 years. His dad still practices law and still owns multiple planes and still flies often. Seeing this video makes me realize how insanely dumb and reckless this was. Any amount of alcohol is too much when you’re flying an aircraft and when you’re letting your son fly who isn’t fully licensed. I mean he was 15 at the time. Just so insane looking back and we all probably got lucky that things never did take a turn for the worst.
I would like to say that in spite of the law some 15 year olds are perfectly capable of flying well. At least in a single engine airplane, and can solo in a glider at 14 and fly around in very close proximity to many other older pilots. So it was illegal but probably not nearly as insanely dangerous as you might think.
You can get a private plot license at 14
@@daniellepatton2665 where?
I am a retired British police officer - I attended quite a few alcohol factored car crashes, with unfortunately fatal consequences on occassion - but drinking and flying is total insanity. Thank you for your appeal at the end. Many people have issues with alcohol, it is a brave and admirable person who does something about it BEFORE something happens. Keep safe.
Right? Drunk driving is stupid enough, but taking it to the skies, being as drunk as that first pilot was? Good lord...
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
This really hit home. Like many boomer age kids whose Dad came back from war a raging alcoholic I remember the hundreds of times my Dad drove me and my brother around drunk out of his mind with the cabin full of cigarette smoke. Pretty sure if he was a pilot he would have flown drunk.
Ur dads boss
My old man was the same way,always pulling a bottle of vodka out from under the driver’s seat when we were in the car as kids.
What pathetic men honestly. Risking their kids and other lives for a drink. I hate it lmao
I say ban alcohol for dad's.
And we all thought this was a problem with the individual dad, not the American war industry!
Just discovered this channel because of your shorts. Coming from someone who flew a plan for 2 hours 10 years ago, this is fascinating. I appreciate the professionalism and respect in these videos.
Welcome to the channel! Thanks!
Makes you wonder how many "got away wit it" as opposed to those who came to grief.
Probably most. And when they meet a bad end, it wasn't their first time. Like just about every DUI.
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
As for the child that let the Sheriff know the whole truth, I have concerns for that child’s wellbeing. Do we know if CPS stepped in to protect the child from a retaliatory alcoholic parent?
Oh wow. I never considered that, but you make a valid point.😊
That poor kid hearing what he was telling his dad is so heartbreaking 😢 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Of all the folks on youtube that do these types of videos, yours are the most thoughtful and informative. Very well done and produced. Thanks for taking the time to do what you do.
That was heavy!
Currently training for my CPL in Canada. I really enjoy your debriefs! Congrats on the growth and thank you for the content, Sir.
That last video really hit differently. So tragic. It’s perplexing how some individuals out there with licenses, still treat these aircrafts as toys without any regard to safety.
What's really perplexing is how someone who can afford the $500K+ plane (on the LOW end for a multi-engine w/that glass cockpit setup) and the $100+/hr to run it can be so idiotic.
There will always be irresponsible and reckless people in society
@@eclectichoosier5474Money is no guarantee of anything, other than that you have a lot of money. Same with education, no guarantee of common sense.
@@eclectichoosier5474 So basically you believe that poor people are idiots.
@@diggie9598No, unfortunately he means college educated people can be stupid too. Nowadays I think poorer people who forgo college to learn a trade are the smarter ones.
I was just talking to my son about situations like this. How any kind of impairment can be deadly. I can't imagine what his son was thinking and feeling as it became clear the plane was going down. My old man was an opiate addict. In the 90s it wasn't like it is today where people understood the signs of someone being high. Just watching the few moments of footage I was instantly taken back to the feeling of pure terror. You have zero control as that child with the absolute understanding of the likelihood of dieing or killing someone else because of your father's impairment. That's supposed to be the one man in your life that would give his in order to keep you safe. I have no idea how my brother and I are alive today. When I watch footage like this my heart breaks for the son and it doesn't go away, even as my anger grows for the father. I don't know how my father is still alive, if only in the sense of his body converting o2 into co2. My son hasn't, nor will he ever, meet my father.
PLEASE, anyone reading this, DO NOT ingest anything that impairs your ability to think clearly and move quickly when someone's life is in your hands.
I’m 8 months sober and it’s great
Same sober for life
Addicted to opiates right now, have tried to quit more times than I can count. I never use enough to make myself impaired, in fact I'm in healthcare as a LPC who works with children and adolescents. I have an excellent working record, I'm going to make another try at sobriety later this week..
"if you're frustrated by the first two pilots.." bro im fuming and just lost for words by that point... Wow
The air traffic controller speaks clearly, and I can understand her. Unusual.
This last and terrible accident happened here, on the 29th of July, near the city of Vilhena, state of Rondônia. His father was known for being a very good pilot. Things like that should not happen again. May God comfort their families.
It will be interesting to read to CENIPA investigation report when it's complete. If you hear news of that being released, please send me an email.
@@pilot-debrief Ok. I'll do that.
Yes, great job by the controller in the first case. She was on top of her game.
Excellent work as usual Hoover, thank you!...it broke my heart to see the last one, but these abuses of aviation have to be known
Thank you for your comment and for watching, even though I know this was a sad and tragic story
Legend has it the first pilot still has the airport in sight.
Last guy thought he was driving down some country gravel road in his old pickup with his son on his lap, letting him hold the steering wheel.
Man... Total lack of words to describe the anger. Probation? Loss of License? Death? Probably not the first time these pilots (or better said "Idiots" who should have been serving a 20 year prison sentence) flew drunk. Anyone who knew and did nothing is complicit.
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
As a retired TRACON and tower controller, I can tell you that this happens more than you'd know. My first thought too would be hypoxia or carbon monoxide poisoning. Where I worked, we had a PA-28 Cherokee with a drunk pilot and passengers on board -- they crashed big time!
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
The drunk Citation guy must be a raving alcoholic to not be passed out. A 0.3 (15 drinks) to 0.4 is the zone for alcohol poisoning and passing out.
Our legal limit in Australia is 0.05% and even at that level I am very tipsy. At his level, I would be dead. Obviously a heavy drinker.
Yeah, that landing was impressive given the circumstances. As a non-drinker, I'm always amazed that there are people who can remain semi-functional at BACs that would maybe have me in the morgue.
5 years PROBATION for almost killing his child and potentially others? INSANITY.
These stories and situations need to be told, appreciated, and actually LEARNED FROM!
My dad was a pilot in Vietnam and he said guys would fly sorties buzzed. Dad included til he got sober. He said a friend of his told him he was gonna fly with him one day and it just so happened dad was sober . Later the friend told him he did that to monitor him. Dad said “ I was lucky to have retired “
I didn’t know dad till I was twelve and saw him every couple of years .
military flying is a different beast altogether, especially in an active combat zone
BAC of 0.288!! It's a wonder he was able to get into the air in the first place!
You’re the best at this Hoover. Please keep the content coming brother 🙏🏼
What a nice comment! Thank you so much and I'll do my best to keep making videos everyone can learn from!
@@pilot-debrief I’m a huge AvGeek and follow several of other Aviation channels. But your knowledge and ability to communicate is second to none. Especially on these fatalities where it can be very tricky and difficult to help us learn while being sensitive to families. And for this, we appreciate your hard work. Your expertise and passion shines through. 🙏🏼
@@pilot-debrief Don’t know if you’ve heard of Dan Gryder,’s Probable Cause, but to say the least, he’s got his own take on things and can come across harsh. I follow all of his stuff like yours. There’s many that don’t like his style but I’m a huge proponent for anyone that’s blessing us with their time, energy, and expertise. Especially when pertaining to GA safety, AQP, and overall smart decisions making.
Anyway, in his Sunday video last night, he gave you a HUGE shout out and told everyone in the chat to check out Pilot Debrief. He mentioned that you were doing incredible things out here. He’s not one to give undeserved praise and I just love how real recognizes real. Thanks again Hoover, you’re building and army of supporters and making a positive impact. 🙏🏼
As a retired florist and beekeeper, I can tell you this happens more times than you’d think.
What?????
If my 40 years of experience in ornithological pathology have taught me anything, it's that a florist knows their shit.
Mr. retired florist/beekeeper, I can attest that what you say is true because I am a lumberjack with 34 chain saws. Many are Stihls.
5 months probation for nearly killing his son. Unbelievable.
Addiction is giving up everything for one thing. Recovery is giving up one thing for everything.
i LOVE this
Love your channel! Very educational. And in this case tragic....
Thank you very much!
What a disturbing video, I'm truly shocked by the lack of responsibility.
Love your channel, keep up the great content.
Thank you! I'll try my best!
The first pilot sounded like buffalo bill 😅
This channel is fantastic. Excellent work. Terrible event that was reviewed with professionalism.
I have a friend from Bolivia that learned to fly when he was 10 years old. There were no cars anywhere near his small village, so to get to the nearest grocery store of any kind, he had to fly a small Cessna to get there. Of course, that was back in the mid-70s, but even then, he actually learned to fly safely. I can't imagine a kid this young being put into that situation (in the video). Terrible day.
Our company would send the pilots to chamber training at Sonny Carter in Houston. For anyone who flies pressurized aircraft, I highly recommend it. Everyone’s hypoxia symptoms vary, so it is the best way to discover how you react. Especially, when you review the videos. In a few CRM recurrent courses, we did listen to ATC tapes of pilots experiencing hypoxia. It sounds very similar to the drunk pilot in the Citation. So tragic on the last example of flying drunk.
yeah, I also thought it sounded like hypoxia
What would be an ideal depressurization sim is if it was on an actual pressurized aircraft simulator!
@@57Jimmy At the NASA’s Sonny Carter center in Houston it was a full day of training. The morning was ground school revolving around the physiology etc. The afternoon was spent in the altitude chamber for two separate sessions. The first was a very slow decompression to = FL-250 while on O2. At that point, we removed our O2 masks and conducted various exercises like naming cards, former Presidents, simple math and the sort. We also were asked to describe our symptoms i.e. general feeling, any signs of blue finger nails etc. We were told to go back on O2 anytime we felt like we needed to. The second session was a rapid decompression from FL-180. That was to experience what it felt like and looked like. You donned your mask on right away like you would in the airplane. Both sessions were videotaped so we could review ourselves and the symptoms. They do not simulate explosive decompression.
Very good training overall!
There are few things that provoke real outrage in me and I just found a new one.
Airplane, helicopter, glider flight instructor and ultralight pilot. In 25 years I’ve never seen a pilot fly after even a single drink. They would certainly be shunned by other pilots.
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
Just wow at the 1st story. A drunk driver can even survive a plane crash.
I can’t believe you can’t just wait till you get on the ground to start drinking I don’t understand
Most importantly, there is NEVER a reason to get drunk. NEVER.
That's not true, it can be fun
You're a blast at parties, huh?
The hell is this prohibition era new york? never in any vehicle sure, we are not muslims though.
You haven't watched the news in a while, then?
If you wanna dance and your white, there are really no other options.
Sounds similar to hypoxia, doesn't it? On the last one, the kid has no seatbelt on either.
well when you are drunk that is a type of hypoxia called 'histotoxic hypoxia' so yes his brain has less oxygen
Hear a drunk pilot over the radio is the most disturbing and nastiest thing I’ve heard in awhile
*THANK GOD FOR THE BIG RED ARROW IN THE THUMBNAIL*
This is good stuff. I never knew there was so much alcohol related accidents while in command of an aircraft.
This was three incidents. I dunno that I'd call it "that much."
A local police helicopter pilot was caught drinking alcohol on duty (his primary/only role is the Aviation Unit...). He was suspended for 20 unpaid shifts (which is thisclose to getting fired) but not only was he allowed to REMAIN EMPLOYED, he STILL FLIES THE FUCKING HELICOPTER TO THIS DAY. The public has no clue. I've been trying to fucking report it (FAA, NTSB, FBI.....) since said pilot was caught drinking on duty in 2019; the year this police department crashed TWO helicopters in a FOUR month period. NTSB report shows none of the 4 pilots involved in the 2 crashes were drug/alcohol tested....because cop worship in this area is a pathetic epidemic. Oh, and this pilot's partner? He was also drinking on duty AND taking unprescribed Xanax (!!!!!) He was removed from the unit & hasn't flown since only because he failed a drug test, but this other asshole has been allowed to remain and, since I tried to do the right thing, he has been psychotically stalking & harassing me since - because of course he blames ME for getting caught/almost getting FIRED for drinking on duty! I'm both furious and terrified. It's just a matter of time before these assholes kill someone.
wow. the mother immediately going into a room to shoot herself after hearing her husband and son died is heartbreaking.
There was probably something going on at home, a domestic situation, and she knew what what the father was planning to do. The father knew exactly what he was doing.
She actually did it after the burial according to a news story i read.
@@chucksadler4029 either way. but good to know.
Pretty weak
Unfortunately, there's probably several drunk pilots in the air every day somewhere in the world.
When that first pilot keeps going quiet he's thinking " oh shit, something isn't right she thinks I'm drunk i may be going to jail".
Dad will never forgive his sons betrayal