Well I used to use Newcastle university library, but I've had the misfortune to graduate so I usually search all the journals and keep notifications on by email!
There was a land bridge connection todays UK and Europe it was called Doggerland i read somewhere that the Picts arrived from todays Scandinavia crossing the bridge? The Picts in todays Scotland have been around for thousands of years ❤
@@Dishfire101 Excellent articles on the Picts by journalist Hamish MacPherson in current editions of the National. DNA evidence from last year suggests that they were divided into north and south kingdoms, the southern branch were Christianised by Ninian long before those in the north by Columba. No evidence as to exotic origins in either branch.
@forbesmeek6304 was that based off the six human remains articles? I'm still waiting for a larger research paper, six just didn't feel substantial enough. I would be quite surprised if Pontic Step Ancestry - outside of bronze age - was found. Though that's just science, you discover something new.
So you think the Picts only suddenly appears circa 300 ad? if so who occupied what is now called Scotland before then, and no way the Scots destroyed the Picts, you ALSO say that the link to Scythians has been disproved? Can you supply evidence? If information in books I have read is correct the Celts are Y dna Haplogroup R1b (Beaker People) West Scythians R1b, East Scythians R1a (like Anglo Saxons) so what was the Y dna Haplogroup of the “Pictish” males ? If as you say same as the rest of the ‘Celts” then it will be R1b, so does it come from the beaker People who came from the area the Scythians came from? , we’re the beaker people tattooed like the Scythians? , so many questions, I’m afraid just saying the Picts and Scythians are not genetically related does not cut it, evidence please and am I correct in saying West Scythians were R1b? Thanks, enjoy your channel.
They were bellbeaker people from bronze age so the haplogroup was R1b (celts, italians) from step migrations Yamnaya. Old neolithic Europe vanished 50% to 90%, this means I2, J2, K, Q mostly disappeared especially from west. Eastern Yamnaya, Corded ware R1a mixed with old european I1a and that become germans who have R1b too, 30% each. Haplogroup I (north I1a, south and west I2) was from hunter gatherers
@@petergranlund7082- my father’s family came from Fife, and our Y Haplogroup is I2c, so some of us Neoliths survived the Pictish invasion and melded into the new population.
Sounds like there were ancestral Picts but they are older than the dates of those graveyards and by the 7th century every tourist to Scotland stopped and had a couple of children with some stranger.
It's likely that the Picts are just one of the many flavours of the Iron Age British that developed within what is now Northern Scotland and people became a part of that as they settled in the area!
No historical secret, that Angles were indeed, a vital component in shaping Scotland. Although I wonder if the Gothic, Batavian, and Frisian Roman auxiliaries, mentioned at Hadrians wall, who served in Britain prior to the initial Anglo-Saxon influx, are overlooked. Did they settle post military service? Or did they just go back to their homelands? With so little samples, it’s interesting what theories fill the air. Ones that I’ve heard, like that the Picts are the remnants of southern Britain’s Beaker population. Although, the Picts not being a homogenous group as much as it was a popular trend for the particular area, has always made the most sense to me. Another interesting thing I’ve learned about Celts and in particular, neighboring tribes of the Isles, lack the degree of homogeneity that is prevalent among the various Germanic tribes
I think that places like Traprain Law are fascinating because of the fact it looks so Roman but is north of the area that's meant to be Roman! I think more will turn up as we go forward!
Pictish scientist here. Recety I found some interesting evidence of Estonian and Finnish in Pictish language. The words that are interpret as being from "Pre-finno-Ugric substrate" can be found here, in ogham stones. So now I want to ask about Finno-Ugric connections between Scotish people. I have already seen many in people's DNA tests. But I didn't find and scientific papers.
The best paper to look at is this: journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1010360 but it's very early days under ten samples to work from so I hope they do more in the future.
I didnt think we had much evidence of the Pictish language, apart from place names, which seem to be of Brythonic origin. I know there are some ogham inscriptions, but there is debate over what they actually say. Though they may also have a similarity to other Brythonic languages, like Welsh. Can you point me to more information on the Estonian and Finnish influences please.
The Scots "conquering" the Picts is the "established" view, but it maybe that this belief came from earlier historians who wanted to validate the Scots claim to rule. However among historians today it is an area of uncertainty as to the exact mechanism of how the Picts and Scots came together and adopted the Gaelic language.
I'm sure it was not just conquest, as it was in the Anglo-Saxon migrations into the british isles, but we do have sources that show the Scots winning battles over the Picts, it does seem like a forceful conquest by Kenneth MacAlpin - I mean, his monica is 'An Ferbasach' the Conqueror
@@AlexIlesUKBased upon land area and quality of farmland the Picts must have had a much bigger population than the Scots. Also it is unlikely that the Scots had a big advantage in military technology, tactics or numbers. As such the Pictish people may have been accepting of the leadership which might point towards it being a peaceful transition, or even business as usual, i e. the accepted legitimate monarchy.
A smaller force can conquer a larger one given the right circumstances. Alongside this there is evidence to sugest the picts were under pressure from Scandinavian 'Vikings' which agian would make it easier for an enemy force opening another front against them.
@@AlexIlesUK The Pictish and Scots elites had been intermarrying for generations and some even think that MacAlpine was more Pict than Scot. You could read up more from modern historians.
Would you remind me which I was refering too? Most early medeival ones can be trusted, but there is one of King Alfred which traces his ancestors to Jesus, Wodan and Adam, so some should be taken with a pinch of salt!
I came across this video tonight. Interestingly enough, my family roots are in Northern Scotland, (Clan Ross)..My daughters DNA came back with Pict in our genealogy..
948 AD? When I was young, working in the tourist industry, hardly a day went by without an American tourist telling me some such guff. And of course, not wanting to pour cold water on anyone’s holiday, we’d say, “Oh, that’s good!” It’s nonsense. Sorry. Only the nobility even made it into writing at all in the first millennium. But considering Edward i rounded up every kind of record he could find in Scotland, (every title deed, clerical chronicle and and government archive he could lay his hands on) a couple of hundred years later, and burned what he couldn’t carry with him, there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that anyone can be sure what ancestor in NE Scotland they had. Most of what purports to be as old as that period (especially the 940s!) was reconstructed much later, by people who had an axe to grind and much of it is contradictory. The fact that later accounts get more and more detailed is a bit of a tell. People also didn’t use surnames in northern Scotland - for an even longer time than in most of Britain. By-names, occupation names, patronymics and placenames so commonly stuck that three or four brothers could all have different apparent last names when they turned up in documents. In the earlier 19th century censuses in the north-east, some “names” there, which a few families carried over to north America, actually turned out to be the names of the boats unrelated people worked on. Because that’s what identified them. And of course many completely unrelated people would adopt the same name as a patron or feudal overlord. And right up to the 18th century, even people with surnames - especially the wealthy - would often pick up a different family name from a new landholding or a morganatic marriage. De Winter in the Borders became Seton that way - and then Gordon of Huntley in Aberdeenshire in the very next generation. This is actually true of most “clans” - that the supposed clan chiefs are almost the least likely people to have the majority paternal haplotype. On average, patrilineal descendancy ran out of live legitimate male heirs every fourth generation or so. But through the middle ages & Renaissance, the Scots gentry commonly had serial marriages, and extramarital children, both of which ran afoul of descendancy disputes. Many an “extinct” lineage or “name” was biologically thriving while legally dead, and vice versa. Just because you traced a name in your family to some place where there happens to be someone in the 15th century who claims their lineage is direct from “Fergus” or “Malcolm” doesn’t mean they were. How come nobody IN Scotland ever claims to know their first-millennium ancestors? Because they know better.
I'm from Dundee. As far as I believe Dundee was in Pictland. I read a theory a few ayers back (sorry can't remember where I seen it), where they believed the Picts were very similar to the Barbarian tribes in what is now Germany and Switzerland.
I'll need to have a look into that but I don't think any data suggests a genetic connection, possibly similarities in their organisation and social structures?
It was more to do with their fighting techniques. War paint, separating their enemies and having them fight gorilla warfare instead of on a battlefield. In between Dundee and Perth, along the banks of the River Tay, the Romans had created rafts to bring soldiers, supplies, cattle and armour across the river. The Picts in the area attacked them and run into the wooded areas. The Romans setup a defensive position expecting a second wave, it never came. Then when the Romans dropped their guard, the next wave of attacks. The Picts knew the land, they knew the wooded areas, the also knew that the Romans would defeat them on a battlefield, so stacked the odds in their favour. The Barbarian tribes did this also. I believe that they made some kind of link with their battle tactics. Unfortunately the Pictish language looks to have been lost, however I believe that Dundonian (Dundee dialect) and Dorich (dialect in Aberdeenshire) have some fusions of old Pict and Gaelic with Scots.
@jukeboxgeneral7105 we've spoken in the past but I think we have different interests, he's amazing and it would be great but I don't know if it'll ever happen.
3 theory of origin of picts Three theory Picts are 1. Anatolians farmer (Y-DNA I) like Sardinian 2. Just a North Celtic tribe (R1b) 3. Scythians migrant (R1a) 1.Isn't the first people of Britain Anatolians farmer/early European Farmers and they created Stone henges 2. Maybe just a noth celtic tribe 3. Isnt Scotland and Iceland have high r1a DNA paternal
I'd like to think their culture was a conglomerate of some syncretized, preserved Mesolithic / Neolithic traditions of the people whom were there prior to their arrival and a mix of their own customs. Something about them and their symbolism distinguishes them from the rest of Europes symbolism, evoking something .... older, enigmatic, ancient and esoteric. These were some of my ancestors.
I think the Don river in Aberdeen is a reference to the ancestral homeland of the Picts, roving warriors, possibly recruited as mercenaries in a ten year wander across Europe, then settling in N.E, Scotland. The Don river is, of course, in ancient Scythia, now one of the disputed river valleys under conflicting Russian-Ukrainian control and I propose that Bede's story of the Pictish origins is largely true.
I have to say that I'd be hugely surprised as firstly there's no genetic signatures that support that, at least within 2000-3000 years of Bede's account.
@@AlexIlesUK The problem is Alex that genetic studies come in different forms, some thorough, some more tied to some theory that favours a cerain-political-social worldview. The Yamnaya, a west Eurasian group or Indo European base group for many cultures and peoples migrated out of the Pontic steppe, which is just north of the Black Sea. J2-Y DNA is another marker associted with Georgian, Russian, Chechen and in Anatolia Turkey. It is a male marker found scattered but in low numbers in Scotland More evidence needs to be uncovered, that's true.
@gordonbryce, I am always happy to lean more and this particular study lacked enough data for me to value it highly. In regards with worldviews I desperately try to avoid any group arguing one way or another but instead go with the information and data available to me in the form of history and archaeology (with a far greater weighting on Archeology). One of my arguments against the Picts coming from elsewhere is the lack of a new type of material culture - artifacts, housing, building techniques, cooking techniques etc - in Scotland which would suggest a migration of peoples into the land. Though, as I said, if information and data came up that I could assess I'd really consider it. You make a better argument than someone yesterday whos argument was 'Red hair = Synthians' and got upset when I said that didn't equate.
@@AlexIlesUK Yes-good points, warriors for hire as our Picts may have been, would equip themselves with weapons of war and the accroutments of war and would not overburden themselves, hoping gold and silver would come their way. Here I am supposing they arrived in Ireland as a war band heavily armed and may have paid "bride prices" to the Scots as, perhaps, a major party of them decided not to return to the Pontic steppe and the Don river valley. They may have gone on to hire locals in the Highlands to help them mark out territories and build new towns and roads for their growing settlements. Again, wise locals seeing a very rich and well armed band of men would happily follow their directions. I am also guessing they were armed with iron spears and swords and probably hardened leather armour. Archeological evidence points to 6th century B.C. Scots still relying on rare bronze weapons and bone tipped arrows. Ir would have been no contest if conflict had been engaged. If my perspective is correct it would help to explain the tough warrior tradition the highlanders of Scotland went to cultivate because they had inherited it from the "Picts".
@gordonbryce thank you for explaining your point of view. While I don't agree you've explained your point of view clearly and politely which I really appreciate.
Why is the audio not live with the video? It's obvious the audio track is NOT synchronized with the video. It's dubbed. It might not even be the same person's voice. We cannot tell.
Alex lles interesting about the Picts and Anglo Saxon connection in Scotland in 6th century, the Barbarian conspiracy of the 3th century where Germanic tribes Franks, Saxons along with Celtic tribes in Scotland united to attack Romans in Gaul and Britain, they were networking by trade and secret alliance, how far this connection goes we have yet to understand, speaking of connection it seem that Cornwall and Devon connection to Armonica (Brittany) was by language, similar people and building structure by the Tin trade to the Mediterranean before the Romans take over Gaul under Julius Caesar Armonica was trading market center for Cornwall tin. The Roman in settle in the 3th century Roman British legionnaires from Britain there and some Roman Briton fled from Cornwall and Devon settle on Armonica rename it Brittany, but a DNA genetic study in 2015 said there no genetic link from people of Cornwall and Devon with the Breton people of Brittany could you elaborate on this ?
@AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
@AlexIlesUK @AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
@AlexIlesUK it biorxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022, toke note of this chance in DNA drift in Brittany.
They were a people who lived on the British isles, closely related to the British iron age populations. Celtic naturalists don't like that the the Celts were not a people but that's their problem.
Don't really think that can be argued as a 'joining together' to unite against the vikings he was still King of Dal Ratia and may have been able to argue for Pictish connections but I'd not see it as a peaceful unity. I'll look into it but I'd like to see your sources please.
I dont know who the Hall of Names are, but if they are telling you a name means your decended from a group, you need to have a wee think about that. People change their names all the time! You may well be, but unless youve done some research outside of what sounds like a website, I would be sceptical.
No I meant the chynthians, the unicorn riding male versions of the Amazon's. Easy mistake to make as most people have only ever seen their name written down on paper and not out loud. Or it could be I have a speech impediment, but I'll never say which it is.
@@AlexIlesUK I now want the Picts to actually be descended from unicorn-riding Chynthians. And no, I'm not any of the Dr Biltons in the UK, I didn't even know they existed
Simplest explanation for Picts are they were a Brythonic speaking elite ruling over a Gaelic speaking population. Gaels predated Britons in Britain. The natural border between Gaels and Britons became the border between Gaels/Picts and the Romans after the Romans invaded and later became the border between Gaels and Anglo-Saxons.
I'd not agree with that, the Brythonics are first and the Gaels come in the 4th and 5th centuries. Except on the west coast of Scotland where there's a lot of travel between there and Ireland.
This is not correct. The whole of the island of Britain was Brythonic Celtic until the Romans invaded. The parts of Britain above Hadrians wall remained Brythonic speaking. The dialects of the language that these Brythonic Celts spoke, would have varied from one part of the country to another. But the closest language we have today is Welsh. The Picts are thought to have spoken a version this too. Then the Gaelic speaking Scots ( from the of north Ireland ) gradually started to raid and the colonise the west of Scotland from the 4th century. Eventually forming the Gaelic speaking kingdom of Dál Riata. There Gaelic language would later move to become spoken throughout Scotland, after the Gaelic take over of the Picts.
@@AlexIlesUK we dont know what the people in the bronze called themselves but the Scythians lived in the same area that th e bronze age people who settled britian came from. Coincidence?
Thats complex, the issue is best summed up in the Anglo-Saxon DNA episode. I have spent a lot of time writing out answers to that question and if you read the comments to that video you'll see!
I believe there are some immunities to illness but I've never heard of evidence to suggest there were dramatic differences, humanity is quite standard across the board.
@@AlexIlesUK That's because it's never been explained. The Northern Hemisphere/Southern Hemisphere evolutionary imbalance can be explained by Neanderthal DNA. It's a forbidden fact.
It's taken me a while to think about how to respond to you. Ultimately my videos won't be fully polished and sorted. There's going to be small things that are out of place. I have not got tourettes and that really took me back. I can't tell if you're being genuine or not, ultimately if you want to stick about and enjoy what I make please do but I was being genuine when I said find content that suits you as I realise these is something for everyone on TH-cam.
The Scythian connection a small sub-cultured tied to the - Tocharian Tarim Basim. Celtic tribes who migrated, and intermingled with local Asian groups; India, China and Mongolia. This is proven by; - Silk Road - Haplogroups such as X - The Centum language migration - Migration of technologies and agriculture; Pot, Pants, Horse domestication. - Comparative Theologies, eg: Danu is Adhiti, daughter of Daksha who is Baphomet. Her children the Danavas Asura are known as the Tuatha de Danann. Then you have ties between Rudra avatar of Shiva with Cernunnos and the Wildhunt, involving the Feinn, and Fion MacCool. Mind you the Scythian-Assyrian merger was more prominent among the Nordics, which populate Norweign royalty. The Nordics coming to Scotland to mix with the Celts and Picts, was the precursor to the Gaelic culture. I'm related to the Somhairle and Domhnail so I hope I have an idea, especially thanks to genetic ancestral memories. First Nation tribes such as the Anishinaabe (Ojibwe) have genetic ties to the Celts prior New World colonizations, its possible their demographic branches from the Picts. Again.. X DNA being reoccuring link, especially geologically. Also this tribes Denisovan heritage shows ties to Asia, which further correlates with the Tocharian. But when it comes to the Nordics, "Æsir" means "Men of the East" described as Swarthy and Redheads. Red hair genetically originates from the Iranian region which was Assyria. They were the "Aswa" meaning "horsemen" "Aryans" were Tocharians of Celtic heritage who were Hindu monks of a sort. Again there is a lot of comparative theology and archeology finds, especially symnbolism, comparing Thor's hammer to a Varja? When it comes to India you have blue skinned Aryans. Something Picts and Celts were known for doing, as well as wearing the TORC, a serpent-esque accessory around their necks. Once you start looking the correlations just begin to flood outwards. I can trace elements of the ancient Celtic culture to ancient Greece with the Melisians and Firbolg, and beyond. Lugh = Mercury = Hermes = Thoth = Nabu. One false comparison is associating Dionysus (A Nephilim Demigod, clone of Zagreus, and son of Zeus aka Indra) with Shiva, who is an aspect of Ein Sof, who transcends Brahma, the neglected God, who sounds like the Yaldalboath The Demiurge, from Gnostic beliefs systems. Honestly there too much to cover so I'm just giving datapoints for people to use to dive in. The TOCHARIAN will be the missing link for all these cultures, starting after the Bronze Age Collapse, brought forth by the Sea Peoples. This lineage is not a tree with straight branches. Its a tangled bush.
@@AlexIlesUK Well if you think you can compartmentalize history and study mankind from ONE angle only, then you exist in an echo chamber that was probably informed by colonizing educational institutions. Some of us can see the BIG PICTURE. All the FRACTALS. Anything less is Incest. *Knocks on forehead* RED HAIR McFly So the question now presented is.. WHY are YOU educating anyone?
@@AlexIlesUK Did you seriously censor my response? And don't say YT did it because of case sensitive words? So you're a propagandists using this medium for what purposes then? Misdirecting learning with SOFT POWER? And to respond to your passive-aggressive response.... Break down the data points into catagories for research eg; THEOLOGY - Danu comparative studies with Hinduism. GENETICS - Origin of Redhair - X Haplogroups TECHNOLOGIES - Earliest discovers of PANTS. - Migration of Marijuana ANCIENT PEOPLES - The Tocharians. Are you following? Or is that all too much?
@@AlexIlesUK So I ask you again oh wise one in the Kali Yuga, why should you be teaching if you're more worried about your image, optics and ego for profts? That's some real good branding by the way, you really know how to NOT market yourself like every other poser on this site. Good job. All you need are banal responses from uneducated sycophants? lol Deep.
I've not hidden any of your comments. I've had other things on tonight. I don't agree with your reasoning or the way you've presented your data but I've not hidden anything - I can see three comments from you and if you did more it's TH-cam not me. You seem to have gone off the deep end with your responses. There's no genetic connection - other than being human between the Picts and Scythians from this particular study. You've obviously got a deep connection with your theory which explains your reaction. Please do your own channel and present your information and there's nothing to stop you. I'm not hiding any truth and yes, I run my channel for profit I reject your allegations. Have a good night.
Also rhere was no country called Ireland in the 1st century it was called Scotia ie The Land of the Scots and the people were called the Scotti ie Scots the Scotti landed in the 1st century from central Europe the, Scots are not Irish its fake news from the todays Irish monks.
Ireland or Eire are recognised terms for that landmass. Can you provide your source for your central European origin? This is the first I've come across that and I read a lot.
Good again mate
Thank you!!
Thanks again Alex. Another study I missed! Another great presentation
Thank you! As I have an interest in the area I keep a lookout for papers on it! Hope to be able to do some more videos as things come out!
@@AlexIlesUK Where do you search? Life was easier, when I had the lovely folk at Anthrogenica doing all the hard work for me......
Well I used to use Newcastle university library, but I've had the misfortune to graduate so I usually search all the journals and keep notifications on by email!
Are you an academic?
@@AlexIlesUK Oh, to be able to access University Libraries once more.........Thems were the days!
There was a land bridge connection todays UK and Europe it was called Doggerland i read somewhere that the Picts arrived from todays Scandinavia crossing the bridge? The Picts in todays Scotland have been around for thousands of years ❤
Doggerland was submerged around 6125BC the Picts are likely to be a part of the Bronze age migrations genetic movement.
@@Dishfire101 Excellent articles on the Picts by journalist Hamish MacPherson in current editions of the National.
DNA evidence from last year suggests that they were divided into north and south kingdoms, the southern branch were Christianised by Ninian long before those in the north by Columba. No evidence as to exotic origins in either branch.
@forbesmeek6304 was that based off the six human remains articles? I'm still waiting for a larger research paper, six just didn't feel substantial enough. I would be quite surprised if Pontic Step Ancestry - outside of bronze age - was found. Though that's just science, you discover something new.
Alex, get Hamish MacPhersons article from the National.
What were the Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups? That could help identifying who they were.
I'll have a look at the study today and see if I can find it!
What did you find
So you think the Picts only suddenly appears circa 300 ad? if so who occupied what is now called Scotland before then, and no way the Scots destroyed the Picts, you ALSO say that the link to Scythians has been disproved? Can you supply evidence? If information in books I have read is correct the Celts are Y dna Haplogroup R1b (Beaker People) West Scythians R1b, East Scythians R1a (like Anglo Saxons) so what was the Y dna Haplogroup of the “Pictish” males ?
If as you say same as the rest of the ‘Celts” then it will be R1b, so does it come from the beaker People who came from the area the Scythians came from? , we’re the beaker people tattooed like the Scythians? , so many questions, I’m afraid just saying the Picts and Scythians are not genetically related does not cut it, evidence please and am I correct in saying West Scythians were R1b? Thanks, enjoy your channel.
They were bellbeaker people from bronze age so the haplogroup was R1b (celts, italians) from step migrations Yamnaya. Old neolithic Europe vanished 50% to 90%, this means I2, J2, K, Q mostly disappeared especially from west. Eastern Yamnaya, Corded ware R1a mixed with old european I1a and that become germans who have R1b too, 30% each. Haplogroup I (north I1a, south and west I2) was from hunter gatherers
@@petergranlund7082- my father’s family came from Fife, and our Y Haplogroup is I2c, so some of us Neoliths survived the Pictish invasion and melded into the new population.
Sounds like there were ancestral Picts but they are older than the dates of those graveyards and by the 7th century every tourist to Scotland stopped and had a couple of children with some stranger.
It's likely that the Picts are just one of the many flavours of the Iron Age British that developed within what is now Northern Scotland and people became a part of that as they settled in the area!
No historical secret, that Angles were indeed, a vital component in shaping Scotland. Although I wonder if the Gothic, Batavian, and Frisian Roman auxiliaries, mentioned at Hadrians wall, who served in Britain prior to the initial Anglo-Saxon influx, are overlooked. Did they settle post military service? Or did they just go back to their homelands? With so little samples, it’s interesting what theories fill the air. Ones that I’ve heard, like that the Picts are the remnants of southern Britain’s Beaker population. Although, the Picts not being a homogenous group as much as it was a popular trend for the particular area, has always made the most sense to me. Another interesting thing I’ve learned about Celts and in particular, neighboring tribes of the Isles, lack the degree of homogeneity that is prevalent among the various Germanic tribes
I think that places like Traprain Law are fascinating because of the fact it looks so Roman but is north of the area that's meant to be Roman! I think more will turn up as we go forward!
@@AlexIlesUK looking forward to it!
Finally, I am getting to get through some of these, always enjoy the content
Thank you! Hope all is well with you and it was great to catch up lately!
Great vids pal !!!! A real different angle at looking at the history books and not the usual modern tripe !! Well done
Don't worry I do get accused of the modern tripe but I love history and want to portray it properly!
Thank you - well reasoned and non-sensational. Will be fascinated to see how much more modern research techniques can clarify the story of the 'Picts'
Aye I'm really looking forward to more studies and research moving forwards.
Pictish scientist here. Recety I found some interesting evidence of Estonian and Finnish in Pictish language. The words that are interpret as being from "Pre-finno-Ugric substrate" can be found here, in ogham stones.
So now I want to ask about Finno-Ugric connections between Scotish people. I have already seen many in people's DNA tests. But I didn't find and scientific papers.
The best paper to look at is this: journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1010360 but it's very early days under ten samples to work from so I hope they do more in the future.
P.s. I'd love to know more about what you're studying about the Picts?
Please feel free to drop me an email because I'd like to find out more
@@AlexIlesUK Big thanks for that! All haplogroups that they found are related to Basque people (Except for K1, as I know) so this is very useful.
I didnt think we had much evidence of the Pictish language, apart from place names, which seem to be of Brythonic origin. I know there are some ogham inscriptions, but there is debate over what they actually say. Though they may also have a similarity to other Brythonic languages, like Welsh. Can you point me to more information on the Estonian and Finnish influences please.
I agree with you. Very interesting but a too smaller group for any defining statements.
Hope for more research in the future!
The Scots "conquering" the Picts is the "established" view, but it maybe that this belief came from earlier historians who wanted to validate the Scots claim to rule. However among historians today it is an area of uncertainty as to the exact mechanism of how the Picts and Scots came together and adopted the Gaelic language.
I'm sure it was not just conquest, as it was in the Anglo-Saxon migrations into the british isles, but we do have sources that show the Scots winning battles over the Picts, it does seem like a forceful conquest by Kenneth MacAlpin - I mean, his monica is 'An Ferbasach' the Conqueror
@@AlexIlesUKBased upon land area and quality of farmland the Picts must have had a much bigger population than the Scots. Also it is unlikely that the Scots had a big advantage in military technology, tactics or numbers. As such the Pictish people may have been accepting of the leadership which might point towards it being a peaceful transition, or even business as usual, i e. the accepted legitimate monarchy.
A smaller force can conquer a larger one given the right circumstances. Alongside this there is evidence to sugest the picts were under pressure from Scandinavian 'Vikings' which agian would make it easier for an enemy force opening another front against them.
@@AlexIlesUK The Pictish and Scots elites had been intermarrying for generations and some even think that MacAlpine was more Pict than Scot. You could read up more from modern historians.
how fictional are the king lists?
Would you remind me which I was refering too? Most early medeival ones can be trusted, but there is one of King Alfred which traces his ancestors to Jesus, Wodan and Adam, so some should be taken with a pinch of salt!
I came across this video tonight. Interestingly enough, my family roots are in Northern Scotland, (Clan Ross)..My daughters DNA came back with Pict in our genealogy..
Glad you enjoyed it
Picts are a Celtic tribe from eastern France , which was Celtia at the time, all before they reached Scotland,
That's never been proven.
@@AlexIlesUK Not much of history has to be fair
That theory is based on similarities in names.
@@AlexIlesUK okay, that’s for the info
Got one part of my family tree to 948--NE Scotland---we believe the locaiton of this lady ancestor too given the results!
That's good!
948 AD? When I was young, working in the tourist industry, hardly a day went by without an American tourist telling me some such guff. And of course, not wanting to pour cold water on anyone’s holiday, we’d say, “Oh, that’s good!”
It’s nonsense. Sorry.
Only the nobility even made it into writing at all in the first millennium. But considering Edward i rounded up every kind of record he could find in Scotland, (every title deed, clerical chronicle and and government archive he could lay his hands on) a couple of hundred years later, and burned what he couldn’t carry with him, there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that anyone can be sure what ancestor in NE Scotland they had.
Most of what purports to be as old as that period (especially the 940s!) was reconstructed much later, by people who had an axe to grind and much of it is contradictory. The fact that later accounts get more and more detailed is a bit of a tell.
People also didn’t use surnames in northern Scotland - for an even longer time than in most of Britain. By-names, occupation names, patronymics and placenames so commonly stuck that three or four brothers could all have different apparent last names when they turned up in documents. In the earlier 19th century censuses in the north-east, some “names” there, which a few families carried over to north America, actually turned out to be the names of the boats unrelated people worked on. Because that’s what identified them.
And of course many completely unrelated people would adopt the same name as a patron or feudal overlord.
And right up to the 18th century, even people with surnames - especially the wealthy - would often pick up a different family name from a new landholding or a morganatic marriage. De Winter in the Borders became Seton that way - and then Gordon of Huntley in Aberdeenshire in the very next generation. This is actually true of most “clans” - that the supposed clan chiefs are almost the least likely people to have the majority paternal haplotype. On average, patrilineal descendancy ran out of live legitimate male heirs every fourth generation or so.
But through the middle ages & Renaissance, the Scots gentry commonly had serial marriages, and extramarital children, both of which ran afoul of descendancy disputes. Many an “extinct” lineage or “name” was biologically thriving while legally dead, and vice versa.
Just because you traced a name in your family to some place where there happens to be someone in the 15th century who claims their lineage is direct from “Fergus” or “Malcolm” doesn’t mean they were.
How come nobody IN Scotland ever claims to know their first-millennium ancestors? Because they know better.
Shooosh. You should have done what you did when working in tourism.
With picts and shovels we'll have to unearth more Picts! 😊
I like your poem! (Just to say most of the bones come from museum collections and it means you know where they came from and they are recorded).
I'm from Dundee. As far as I believe Dundee was in Pictland. I read a theory a few ayers back (sorry can't remember where I seen it), where they believed the Picts were very similar to the Barbarian tribes in what is now Germany and Switzerland.
I'll need to have a look into that but I don't think any data suggests a genetic connection, possibly similarities in their organisation and social structures?
It was more to do with their fighting techniques. War paint, separating their enemies and having them fight gorilla warfare instead of on a battlefield.
In between Dundee and Perth, along the banks of the River Tay, the Romans had created rafts to bring soldiers, supplies, cattle and armour across the river. The Picts in the area attacked them and run into the wooded areas. The Romans setup a defensive position expecting a second wave, it never came. Then when the Romans dropped their guard, the next wave of attacks. The Picts knew the land, they knew the wooded areas, the also knew that the Romans would defeat them on a battlefield, so stacked the odds in their favour.
The Barbarian tribes did this also. I believe that they made some kind of link with their battle tactics.
Unfortunately the Pictish language looks to have been lost, however I believe that Dundonian (Dundee dialect) and Dorich (dialect in Aberdeenshire) have some fusions of old Pict and Gaelic with Scots.
That makes sense. Those tactics are most effective when fighting a large industrial empire or foe.
@AlexIlesUK would love to see you and Bruce Fummey do a collaboration on Scottish history. It would be fun, factual and interesting.
@jukeboxgeneral7105 we've spoken in the past but I think we have different interests, he's amazing and it would be great but I don't know if it'll ever happen.
3 theory of origin of picts Three theory Picts are
1. Anatolians farmer (Y-DNA I) like Sardinian
2. Just a North Celtic tribe (R1b)
3. Scythians migrant (R1a)
1.Isn't the first people of Britain Anatolians farmer/early European Farmers and they created Stone henges
2. Maybe just a noth celtic tribe
3. Isnt Scotland and Iceland have high r1a DNA paternal
The 'celtic tribe' seems most likely
I'd like to think their culture was a conglomerate of some syncretized, preserved Mesolithic / Neolithic traditions of the people whom were there prior to their arrival and a mix of their own customs. Something about them and their symbolism distinguishes them from the rest of Europes symbolism, evoking something .... older, enigmatic, ancient and esoteric. These were some of my ancestors.
I don't think there's evidence for that.
We still here we just mingled with the Scots.And became alba
I think the Don river in Aberdeen is a reference to the ancestral homeland of the Picts, roving warriors, possibly recruited as mercenaries in a ten year wander across Europe, then settling in N.E, Scotland. The Don river is, of course, in ancient Scythia, now one of the disputed river valleys under conflicting Russian-Ukrainian control and I propose that Bede's story of the Pictish origins is largely true.
I have to say that I'd be hugely surprised as firstly there's no genetic signatures that support that, at least within 2000-3000 years of Bede's account.
@@AlexIlesUK The problem is Alex that genetic studies come in different forms, some thorough, some more tied to some theory that favours a cerain-political-social worldview. The Yamnaya, a west Eurasian group or Indo European base group for many cultures and peoples migrated out of the Pontic steppe, which is just north of the Black Sea. J2-Y DNA is another marker associted with Georgian, Russian, Chechen and in Anatolia Turkey. It is a male marker found scattered but in low numbers in Scotland More evidence needs to be uncovered, that's true.
@gordonbryce, I am always happy to lean more and this particular study lacked enough data for me to value it highly. In regards with worldviews I desperately try to avoid any group arguing one way or another but instead go with the information and data available to me in the form of history and archaeology (with a far greater weighting on Archeology). One of my arguments against the Picts coming from elsewhere is the lack of a new type of material culture - artifacts, housing, building techniques, cooking techniques etc - in Scotland which would suggest a migration of peoples into the land. Though, as I said, if information and data came up that I could assess I'd really consider it. You make a better argument than someone yesterday whos argument was 'Red hair = Synthians' and got upset when I said that didn't equate.
@@AlexIlesUK Yes-good points, warriors for hire as our Picts may have been, would equip themselves with weapons of war and the accroutments of war and would not overburden themselves, hoping gold and silver would come their way. Here I am supposing they arrived in Ireland as a war band heavily armed and may have paid "bride prices" to the Scots as, perhaps, a major party of them decided not to return to the Pontic steppe and the Don river valley. They may have gone on to hire locals in the Highlands to help them mark out territories and build new towns and roads for their growing settlements. Again, wise locals seeing a very rich and well armed band of men would happily follow their directions. I am also guessing they were armed with iron spears and swords and probably hardened leather armour. Archeological evidence points to 6th century B.C. Scots still relying on rare bronze weapons and bone tipped arrows. Ir would have been no contest if conflict had been engaged. If my perspective is correct it would help to explain the tough warrior tradition the highlanders of Scotland went to cultivate because they had inherited it from the "Picts".
@gordonbryce thank you for explaining your point of view. While I don't agree you've explained your point of view clearly and politely which I really appreciate.
Why is the audio not live with the video?
It's obvious the audio track is NOT synchronized with the video. It's dubbed. It might not even be the same person's voice. We cannot tell.
Watch another episode if you don't think it's me. I've not got the time or energy to dub other peoples videos. Have a good day.
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Alex lles interesting about the Picts and Anglo Saxon connection in Scotland in 6th century, the Barbarian conspiracy of the 3th century where Germanic tribes Franks, Saxons along with Celtic tribes in Scotland united to attack Romans in Gaul and Britain, they were networking by trade and secret alliance, how far this connection goes we have yet to understand, speaking of connection it seem that Cornwall and Devon connection to Armonica (Brittany) was by language, similar people and building structure by the Tin trade to the Mediterranean before the Romans take over Gaul under Julius Caesar Armonica was trading market center for Cornwall tin. The Roman in settle in the 3th century Roman British legionnaires from Britain there and some Roman Briton fled from Cornwall and Devon settle on Armonica rename it Brittany, but a DNA genetic study in 2015 said there no genetic link from people of Cornwall and Devon with the Breton people of Brittany could you elaborate on this ?
I've not looked at it yet - can you tell me the name of the study and I'll read into it!
@AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
@AlexIlesUK @AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
ah the 2015 study used modern DNA. I will have to look into that. Its intresting but the last 1400-1600 years can realy change the data!
@AlexIlesUK it biorxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022, toke note of this chance in DNA drift in Brittany.
were pict celt?
They were a people who lived on the British isles, closely related to the British iron age populations. Celtic naturalists don't like that the the Celts were not a people but that's their problem.
Picts were not conquered by the Scots, The royal families were joined and became one people to unite against the vikings.
What's your source for that?
@@AlexIlesUK Look up Kenneth MacAlpin
@thetaexali9550 he conquered the Picts...
@@AlexIlesUK He was half Pict
Don't really think that can be argued as a 'joining together' to unite against the vikings he was still King of Dal Ratia and may have been able to argue for Pictish connections but I'd not see it as a peaceful unity. I'll look into it but I'd like to see your sources please.
I was informed by House of Names that the Kendrick family are descendants of the Picts.
I dont know who the Hall of Names are, but if they are telling you a name means your decended from a group, you need to have a wee think about that. People change their names all the time! You may well be, but unless youve done some research outside of what sounds like a website, I would be sceptical.
@@AlexIlesUK look them up
When you say "Cynthians" or "Synthians", I assume you mean Scythians?
No I meant the chynthians, the unicorn riding male versions of the Amazon's. Easy mistake to make as most people have only ever seen their name written down on paper and not out loud. Or it could be I have a speech impediment, but I'll never say which it is.
Also - are you Dr Bilton of Redding University?
@@AlexIlesUK I now want the Picts to actually be descended from unicorn-riding Chynthians.
And no, I'm not any of the Dr Biltons in the UK, I didn't even know they existed
@@DrBilton well they can be if you want them to be! Ah there's a childhood researcher at the University of Reading with the same name as you!
Scots from ulster have the same myht but they talk about scythians. When amazons mixed with scythians their offspring become sarmatians
More complicated than people like to "de-Pict"? 😀
I wish that would have been an intentional thought while filming!
Simplest explanation for Picts are they were a Brythonic speaking elite ruling over a Gaelic speaking population. Gaels predated Britons in Britain. The natural border between Gaels and Britons became the border between Gaels/Picts and the Romans after the Romans invaded and later became the border between Gaels and Anglo-Saxons.
I'd not agree with that, the Brythonics are first and the Gaels come in the 4th and 5th centuries. Except on the west coast of Scotland where there's a lot of travel between there and Ireland.
This is not correct. The whole of the island of Britain was Brythonic Celtic until the Romans invaded. The parts of Britain above Hadrians wall remained Brythonic speaking. The dialects of the language that these Brythonic Celts spoke, would have varied from one part of the country to another. But the closest language we have today is Welsh. The Picts are thought to have spoken a version this too. Then the Gaelic speaking Scots ( from the of north Ireland ) gradually started to raid and the colonise the west of Scotland from the 4th century. Eventually forming the Gaelic speaking kingdom of Dál Riata. There Gaelic language would later move to become spoken throughout Scotland, after the Gaelic take over of the Picts.
The guy is correct. Gaels were first. As a lad, i saw Gaelic inscriptions on standing stomes in South West Britain. The Brythons came later.
Do you mean the Ogham stones?
@@JohnSmith-le5oe You're too certain. Most evidence rots within decades. We are looking at tiny, tiny fragments of what once was.
Sinthians..?
Aye mate, Sinthians. Couldn't possibly be I mispronounced Scythians in the moment and you knew what I was on about.
Cool.
part of this bronze age migration, from........um.......Scythia?
The Scythian's were 7th and 8th centry BC, the migration was 2,400 BC so, Nawh.
@@AlexIlesUK we dont know what the people in the bronze called themselves but the Scythians lived in the same area that th e bronze age people who settled britian came from. Coincidence?
@terrabytesarcheology yes.
what's with all the inverted commas "Anglo-Saxon" nonsense? Who's trying to delegitimise that term?
Thats complex, the issue is best summed up in the Anglo-Saxon DNA episode. I have spent a lot of time writing out answers to that question and if you read the comments to that video you'll see!
What about Neanderthal DNA? Those who have it rule, those who don't... don't.
I'm sorry I didn't understand your comment
@AlexIlesUK Humans who interbred with Neanderthals have an evolutionary advantage over those who lack this multi-species DNA.
I believe there are some immunities to illness but I've never heard of evidence to suggest there were dramatic differences, humanity is quite standard across the board.
@@AlexIlesUK That's because it's never been explained. The Northern Hemisphere/Southern Hemisphere evolutionary imbalance can be explained by Neanderthal DNA. It's a forbidden fact.
Have to disagree with you there.
“Cynthians”? I think you mean Scythians, who were Steppe horsemen.
If you can tell what I meant, then you are just being pedantic ;)
Is it necessary to keep saying "actually" so much?
Actually, no, but we all have faults we can't always help.
@@AlexIlesUK It's like Tourette's then.
You may enjoy other channels, you don't need to watch the content I produce if it upsets you.
@@AlexIlesUK Oh, my God. I just made a tiny comment meant to help you. I enjoyed the video which was very interesting.
It's taken me a while to think about how to respond to you. Ultimately my videos won't be fully polished and sorted. There's going to be small things that are out of place. I have not got tourettes and that really took me back. I can't tell if you're being genuine or not, ultimately if you want to stick about and enjoy what I make please do but I was being genuine when I said find content that suits you as I realise these is something for everyone on TH-cam.
The Scythian connection a small sub-cultured tied to the
- Tocharian
Tarim Basim.
Celtic tribes who migrated, and intermingled with local Asian groups; India, China and Mongolia.
This is proven by;
- Silk Road
- Haplogroups such as X
- The Centum language migration
- Migration of technologies and agriculture; Pot, Pants, Horse domestication.
- Comparative Theologies, eg: Danu is Adhiti, daughter of Daksha who is Baphomet. Her children the Danavas Asura are known as the Tuatha de Danann. Then you have ties between Rudra avatar of Shiva with Cernunnos and the Wildhunt, involving the Feinn, and Fion MacCool.
Mind you the Scythian-Assyrian merger was more prominent among the Nordics, which populate Norweign royalty. The Nordics coming to Scotland to mix with the Celts and Picts, was the precursor to the Gaelic culture. I'm related to the Somhairle and Domhnail so I hope I have an idea, especially thanks to genetic ancestral memories.
First Nation tribes such as the Anishinaabe (Ojibwe) have genetic ties to the Celts prior New World colonizations, its possible their demographic branches from the Picts.
Again.. X DNA being reoccuring link, especially geologically.
Also this tribes Denisovan heritage shows ties to Asia, which further correlates with the Tocharian.
But when it comes to the Nordics, "Æsir" means "Men of the East" described as Swarthy and Redheads. Red hair genetically originates from the Iranian region which was Assyria. They were the "Aswa" meaning "horsemen"
"Aryans" were Tocharians of Celtic heritage who were Hindu monks of a sort.
Again there is a lot of comparative theology and archeology finds, especially symnbolism, comparing Thor's hammer to a Varja?
When it comes to India you have blue skinned Aryans. Something Picts and Celts were known for doing, as well as wearing the TORC, a serpent-esque accessory around their necks.
Once you start looking the correlations just begin to flood outwards.
I can trace elements of the ancient Celtic culture to ancient Greece with the Melisians and Firbolg, and beyond.
Lugh = Mercury = Hermes = Thoth = Nabu.
One false comparison is associating Dionysus (A Nephilim Demigod, clone of Zagreus, and son of Zeus aka Indra) with Shiva, who is an aspect of Ein Sof, who transcends Brahma, the neglected God, who sounds like the Yaldalboath The Demiurge, from Gnostic beliefs systems.
Honestly there too much to cover so I'm just giving datapoints for people to use to dive in.
The TOCHARIAN will be the missing link for all these cultures, starting after the Bronze Age Collapse, brought forth by the Sea Peoples.
This lineage is not a tree with straight branches.
Its a tangled bush.
I'm sorry but there's so much inferred there that it doesn't make sense.
@@AlexIlesUK Well if you think you can compartmentalize history and study mankind from ONE angle only, then you exist in an echo chamber that was probably informed by colonizing educational institutions.
Some of us can see the BIG PICTURE.
All the FRACTALS.
Anything less is Incest.
*Knocks on forehead* RED HAIR McFly
So the question now presented is.. WHY are YOU educating anyone?
@@AlexIlesUK Did you seriously censor my response?
And don't say YT did it because of case sensitive words?
So you're a propagandists using this medium for what purposes then?
Misdirecting learning with SOFT POWER?
And to respond to your passive-aggressive response....
Break down the data points into catagories for research
eg;
THEOLOGY
- Danu comparative studies with Hinduism.
GENETICS
- Origin of Redhair
- X Haplogroups
TECHNOLOGIES
- Earliest discovers of PANTS.
- Migration of Marijuana
ANCIENT PEOPLES
- The Tocharians.
Are you following?
Or is that all too much?
@@AlexIlesUK So I ask you again oh wise one in the Kali Yuga, why should you be teaching if you're more worried about your image, optics and ego for profts?
That's some real good branding by the way, you really know how to NOT market yourself like every other poser on this site. Good job.
All you need are banal responses from uneducated sycophants? lol Deep.
I've not hidden any of your comments. I've had other things on tonight. I don't agree with your reasoning or the way you've presented your data but I've not hidden anything - I can see three comments from you and if you did more it's TH-cam not me. You seem to have gone off the deep end with your responses. There's no genetic connection - other than being human between the Picts and Scythians from this particular study. You've obviously got a deep connection with your theory which explains your reaction. Please do your own channel and present your information and there's nothing to stop you. I'm not hiding any truth and yes, I run my channel for profit I reject your allegations.
Have a good night.
Also rhere was no country called Ireland in the 1st century it was called Scotia ie The Land of the Scots and the people were called the Scotti ie Scots the Scotti landed in the 1st century from central Europe the, Scots are not Irish its fake news from the todays Irish monks.
Scotia was called by the Romans and Greeks in the 1st century
Ireland or Eire are recognised terms for that landmass. Can you provide your source for your central European origin? This is the first I've come across that and I read a lot.
You're thinking of Ptolomy's Map.
Romans invaded Britain 43AD picts were always here
Since the Bronze age, that's what it looks like
@@AlexIlesUKno the picts are defendants from the britions, the picts spoke similar to old Welsh.