hey, i recently commented on part 2 of your studio building series! earlier today, i opened up an old dubstep track I made back in 2014, and I had actually used this neuro reece bass tut to make the sound!! i love how all those years ago I was being inspired to do my own sound design and create cool and interesting tracks, and now I'm yet again being motivated and inspired to learn about audio engineering, BY THE SAME GUY!!!!!
ive been waiting for someone to do this lol. im glad it's you because you're pretty much the best on the net at teaching this stuff. awesome song too man!
Seriously dude, I can only repeat the comments others have made. You are in a select group of people that includes Tom Cosm and Mr Bill who are totally expanding my mind on a daily basis. I learn as much from watching your attitude and mindset towards your music as I do from the actual instruction, and I get a fair bit from that. :) Keep doing what you do man, I'll keep watching.
Yes I was referring to the lead bass at 1:57, and i would definitely buy both the ableton templates for this track as well as the "realistic hats/big fat boss snares" video's track...whenever they get released that is... and a little tutorial on synths with arpeggiated patches would be greatly appreciated as well...definitely a subject im currently lacking knowledge in, but ill look into it. idk how you find time to do everything that you do, but i sure as hell am grateful for it.
sounds really nice, even the new intro with the huge stereo panning. koan sound are one of my favs as well. I'm still wondering how they made/make such sophisticated music being that young.
#2 It's better to simply see on which frequency you want to apply your effect and then determine the Q. If you wan't to glue your chanels afterward, applying effects on the master will really help (some compression is nice in this case), and you can also add some of the full initial signal in. I usualy prefer using sharp Q whichever is the frequency because I have a better control on where my effects are applied.
funky shit m8!! like the percussion and especially the bassline, iv been trying to make stuff sound big for ages no hopefully a step closer to achieving that.
thank you so much for everything you do, is there anyway you could describe the bass production that occurs at 1:57, right after the part these videos are about? also how do you make those short percussive stabs that occur in between the neuro bass notes?
Do you think you could do a tutorial on how to make a vocal bass drop like Knife Party does in there song "Sleaze"? And great job on the track, especially the drums,they have a perfect amount of re-verb on them making them stick out clearly.
#3 There is less phasing so it should sound cleaner. Then I process the master signal to glue it alltougether. Compression is nice, but you can also add distortion, filtering modulation, … But in most of the case, I don't put the sub signal into the master signal to keep it clean.
its for ADSR (Attack Delay Sustain Release). An envelope describes the signal to be used for the modulation of a "knob". The easiest way to understand it, is to simply attach an envelope to the amplitude of a synth. Then when you strike your midi keyboard repeatedly try changing the setting of the envelope, and with any luck you should have a better understanding of what the Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release is doing. XD
Hey man, I've been looking everywhere for a video that shows different ways to modulate and effect your bass patches. Do you think you could do a video on a couple different techniques? To farther explain what I mean. Right after your first bass sound whenever you play it, the second time it comes in..it does this weird pitch sounding wobble. I always make bass patches that sound pretty good, but then I never know how to modulate it to make all those cool different sounds haha.
Vespers, when you're layering sounds for a bass or some kind of lead, is it better to use steep EQ cuts when separating the frequencies(particularly for low end, like layering a low mid sound with a separate sub bass)? I've always thought that smoother Q's when layering would help the sounds gel together, but for low mid sounds, smooth Q's still leave some very quiet info going on in the sub frequencies, and I'm not sure if that would help gel it together, or sound muddy on bigger systems.
first off, thank you for making this video. secondly i have a question: The really funky bit. right between the first snare and the second snare...did you create that from scratch? or is it a funk sample that you took from somewhere?
I luve the vid bro! Only thing is I have followed you instruction to the T with the patch design and yours is sounding way more hoover meets reece then mine. I have great knowledge of Massive and understand everything you say, only thing i can speculate on the differnece in sound, is in the Voicing Tab which you never covered. Wish I could get teh same or similar sound you get though, before all the processing starts!!! lol Keep up the great work bro! Your the Shite_sta!!!!!
#1 It doesn't seems you got an answer so I'll give my opinion. When you're layering two differents signals, you get phasing. The sub often sound better (and louder) when it's clean. And in edm, you don't wan't to have stereo bellow 100hz. So it's usually better to have something like 48db/oct Q if you're cutting at 100hz. But if you wan't your sub to cut at 250 hz for instance, you don't need a sharp cut anymore. For higher frequencies, it depends on you need.
I feel like you must have had effects on while showing us the end result of this patch. Everyone is saying they follow it step by step but it sounds nothing like yours. Maybe you had Ableton effects on at the time, or possibly some different routing/voicing than what Massive's default patch uses?
correct me if i'm wrong, but a lot of the bass patches I make aren't only in mono... even the dimension expander isn't just a small delay but a rather more complex effect that combines a small delay with some spreading for a big room sound. you obviously know what you are doing more than I do, but i'd hate for new comers to massive to lock themselves into rules like "bass is always mono" when they don't have to.
Hmmm, this seems like more of a new-school glitch hop patch to me. Its well executed for sure (most of what you do is imo) but Neuro patches have much more changes in phase and filtering to give it that Noisia meets Spor feel. I'm not getting that vibe with this one.
If you guys haven't heard Kalya Scintilla, you must check him out, Brilliant, genius, glitch hop / dubstep artist from Australia taking the world by storm! Also check his remixes out on soundcloud,. I hate dubstep, SKrillex sucks it. But Kalya Scintilla, is mindblowing.
Ohhh nooo, not another sub-genre!!! Lmao. Alright that's fair enough I guess. Keep up the good work vespers...and send a few of these out to Opiou or Ill Gates, maybe we will see you on the Top 10 for Beatport's Glitch-Hop category some time. You got what it takes, just make sure they get the genre right. Your other stuff got stuck under Dubstep.
Well thats exactly my point here, isn't it? But my issue isn't the BPM, it is the style of the bass patch and inaccurate lableing. Sorry to be a "critic" but I'm well aquainted with Neurofunk and this just isn't it.
buy Harmor from Image Line and all your problems about basses growls synths and stuff is solved ;) trust me Harmor is at the moment the best Additive Synthisizer
why most of the studio ingeneers think that mac and logic pro is the must have for every studio it doesnt matter what a daw or what system you use the result makes sense ...
now you're just making assumptions. i've used a PC before. to me, macs have been more reliable/stable and i can use any plugin i'd use on a windows daw. harmor is a nice tool, but 80% of the producers i listen to don't use it and achieve similar basses. that being said, there is a way to use FL plugins on a mac...there is always a way! now let's stop arguing about how you go about making music and just go make some fucking music instead, yeah?
Sure. I'll write the name of a good therapist on it so you can have your immature subconsciously self hating passive aggressive tendencies psychoanalyzed.
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Your tutorials are WAY higher quality than any I've ever checked out.
Thank you
damn vesper outta nowhere with exactly what i've been looking for for the last 6 months! nailed it
hey, i recently commented on part 2 of your studio building series! earlier today, i opened up an old dubstep track I made back in 2014, and I had actually used this neuro reece bass tut to make the sound!! i love how all those years ago I was being inspired to do my own sound design and create cool and interesting tracks, and now I'm yet again being motivated and inspired to learn about audio engineering, BY THE SAME GUY!!!!!
Nice one River. Happy to hear that mate! I'm glad you're feeling inspired. All the best to ya!
ive been waiting for someone to do this lol. im glad it's you because you're pretty much the best on the net at teaching this stuff. awesome song too man!
Seriously dude, I can only repeat the comments others have made. You are in a select group of people that includes Tom Cosm and Mr Bill who are totally expanding my mind on a daily basis. I learn as much from watching your attitude and mindset towards your music as I do from the actual instruction, and I get a fair bit from that. :)
Keep doing what you do man, I'll keep watching.
niiiice. It's so great that you take the time to explain WHAT you are exactly doing on your tutorials it really helps understanding a lot better ;)
Yes I was referring to the lead bass at 1:57, and i would definitely buy both the ableton templates for this track as well as the "realistic hats/big fat boss snares" video's track...whenever they get released that is...
and a little tutorial on synths with arpeggiated patches would be greatly appreciated as well...definitely a subject im currently lacking knowledge in, but ill look into it.
idk how you find time to do everything that you do, but i sure as hell am grateful for it.
YOUR THE MAN!!!! been dying to know how to get this sound.... thanks bro...
I love that drum fill.
sounds really nice, even the new intro with the huge stereo panning. koan sound are one of my favs as well. I'm still wondering how they made/make such sophisticated music being that young.
#2 It's better to simply see on which frequency you want to apply your effect and then determine the Q. If you wan't to glue your chanels afterward, applying effects on the master will really help (some compression is nice in this case), and you can also add some of the full initial signal in.
I usualy prefer using sharp Q whichever is the frequency because I have a better control on where my effects are applied.
awsome that yout back with tuts
Wow Thanks man really well explained and showed! Really appreciate that tutorial :D
Already opened part2!
You just earned yourself another subscriber!
funky shit m8!! like the percussion and especially the bassline, iv been trying to make stuff sound big for ages no hopefully a step closer to achieving that.
thank you so much for everything you do, is there anyway you could describe the bass production that occurs at 1:57, right after the part these videos are about?
also how do you make those short percussive stabs that occur in between the neuro bass notes?
This rules hard. Go Vespers!
Do you think you could do a tutorial on how to make a vocal bass drop like Knife Party does in there song "Sleaze"? And great job on the track, especially the drums,they have a perfect amount of re-verb on them making them stick out clearly.
#3 There is less phasing so it should sound cleaner. Then I process the master signal to glue it alltougether. Compression is nice, but you can also add distortion, filtering modulation, … But in most of the case, I don't put the sub signal into the master signal to keep it clean.
Hey is there a tutorial on how to make the sounds for your intro? I am really diggen them!
awesome awesome tutorials mate. wish i could join the workshop but im using fl studio, but i really like the idead, big ups man!
its for ADSR (Attack Delay Sustain Release). An envelope describes the signal to be used for the modulation of a "knob". The easiest way to understand it, is to simply attach an envelope to the amplitude of a synth. Then when you strike your midi keyboard repeatedly try changing the setting of the envelope, and with any luck you should have a better understanding of what the Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release is doing. XD
Have you sent Massive to any mixers? Mine sounds very different. It sounds dull and without any sub bass.
Hey man, I've been looking everywhere for a video that shows different ways to modulate and effect your bass patches. Do you think you could do a video on a couple different techniques? To farther explain what I mean. Right after your first bass sound whenever you play it, the second time it comes in..it does this weird pitch sounding wobble. I always make bass patches that sound pretty good, but then I never know how to modulate it to make all those cool different sounds haha.
Vespers, when you're layering sounds for a bass or some kind of lead, is it better to use steep EQ cuts when separating the frequencies(particularly for low end, like layering a low mid sound with a separate sub bass)? I've always thought that smoother Q's when layering would help the sounds gel together, but for low mid sounds, smooth Q's still leave some very quiet info going on in the sub frequencies, and I'm not sure if that would help gel it together, or sound muddy on bigger systems.
Did you cover the Osc & Voice settings (mono, glide, legato etc.)? It's not in the first 2 vids. Thanks.
How did you get the tom fills????
Thanks buddy, always appreciated.
lets get real here for a second that song you just made bro is fucking soo ill.....im so happy you made this video thanks a ton!
Words of wisdom.. I'll put it in your fb then. Thanks for answering !
Really helpful! thanks man :)
nice, they're mine too. But are you really using the LP filter? cuz its routed to filter 2?..
first off, thank you for making this video.
secondly i have a question: The really funky bit. right between the first snare and the second snare...did you create that from scratch? or is it a funk sample that you took from somewhere?
what he means is that he wants to see the voicing tab to see how many voices are there, how did you set pitch bending and so
I love how everyone is a know it all critic as soon as we cross into glitch hop.
I can t see here what kind of processing did you do for the bass outside the massive, the effect chain ?
I luve the vid bro! Only thing is I have followed you instruction to the T with the patch design and yours is sounding way more hoover meets reece then mine. I have great knowledge of Massive and understand everything you say, only thing i can speculate on the differnece in sound, is in the Voicing Tab which you never covered. Wish I could get teh same or similar sound you get though, before all the processing starts!!! lol Keep up the great work bro! Your the Shite_sta!!!!!
hey mate what gives that bending sound to the patch ?
Does starting with a 'new sound' instead of just a regular massive, do the job?
Kl tune man!
That track is fucking incredible, do you have a soundcloud?! We cant find you under DJ VESPERS...
this track is really good man thinking about taking a class ***** thanks man!
#1 It doesn't seems you got an answer so I'll give my opinion.
When you're layering two differents signals, you get phasing. The sub often sound better (and louder) when it's clean. And in edm, you don't wan't to have stereo bellow 100hz. So it's usually better to have something like 48db/oct Q if you're cutting at 100hz. But if you wan't your sub to cut at 250 hz for instance, you don't need a sharp cut anymore. For higher frequencies, it depends on you need.
you're cool, i like what you're doing
where i can find this bass sample ???
Gettin that KOAN sound happening, nice :)
How do you do the modulation?
What effects did you use in ableton?
I feel like you must have had effects on while showing us the end result of this patch. Everyone is saying they follow it step by step but it sounds nothing like yours. Maybe you had Ableton effects on at the time, or possibly some different routing/voicing than what Massive's default patch uses?
when i place an instrument rack on an empy midi slot it gives me the closeest instrument to the top. not and an instrument rack. what can i do?
Please help me! I do exactly what you do but it sounds way weaker :(
look for the tutorial called "Bass resampling tutorial part 1/3 (granular synthesis) " by the channel Humanworkshop Offices
correct me if i'm wrong, but a lot of the bass patches I make aren't only in mono... even the dimension expander isn't just a small delay but a rather more complex effect that combines a small delay with some spreading for a big room sound. you obviously know what you are doing more than I do, but i'd hate for new comers to massive to lock themselves into rules like "bass is always mono" when they don't have to.
Hmmm, this seems like more of a new-school glitch hop patch to me. Its well executed for sure (most of what you do is imo) but Neuro patches have much more changes in phase and filtering to give it that Noisia meets Spor feel. I'm not getting that vibe with this one.
Right... I'm guessing there are plugins that do that?
as in how many voices used for that bass
What's the song called, and where can I buy it?
Fair point. Thanks ^^
vespers i love you
KOAN inspired? Sounds great!
the filter mix is at filter 2 i mean
I would kill to do that course, but i have no money lol
Anyone feel that Massive should have a little visual for wavetables? I sometimes feel like I'm shooting in the dark when picking my tables.
If you guys haven't heard Kalya Scintilla, you must check him out, Brilliant, genius, glitch hop / dubstep artist from Australia taking the world by storm! Also check his remixes out on soundcloud,. I hate dubstep, SKrillex sucks it. But Kalya Scintilla, is mindblowing.
You say it is mono, yet you put on a dimension expander?
Why is that?
So where can i find this song?
Shame Amazing track!
Is it me or did you miss what is going on in the voicing tab?
whats this songs called
Do you like any neurofunk?
This track sounds like "That's a Monster" by The Mavrik
yeah super !
Ohhh nooo, not another sub-genre!!! Lmao. Alright that's fair enough I guess. Keep up the good work vespers...and send a few of these out to Opiou or Ill Gates, maybe we will see you on the Top 10 for Beatport's Glitch-Hop category some time. You got what it takes, just make sure they get the genre right. Your other stuff got stuck under Dubstep.
Hello again Tom Cruise :D
Naturally. Assumed as much. Just thought I'd ask, to clarify for people just starting out making synth patches.
2:48
Well thats exactly my point here, isn't it? But my issue isn't the BPM, it is the style of the bass patch and inaccurate lableing. Sorry to be a "critic" but I'm well aquainted with Neurofunk and this just isn't it.
it sound more mono on the track
I made a test of neuro bass, here it is :)
soundcloud.com/olaamapolox/cthulhu-neuro-dnb-final
Sounds great!
***** not bad,not bad at all
buy Harmor from Image Line and all your problems about basses
growls synths and stuff is solved ;)
trust me
Harmor is at the moment the best Additive Synthisizer
Too bad it isn't mac compatible...
why most of the studio ingeneers think that mac and logic pro is the must have for every studio
it doesnt matter what a daw or what system you use
the result makes sense ...
"better art" lol
use what works best for you
now you're just making assumptions. i've used a PC before. to me, macs have been more reliable/stable and i can use any plugin i'd use on a windows daw. harmor is a nice tool, but 80% of the producers i listen to don't use it and achieve similar basses. that being said, there is a way to use FL plugins on a mac...there is always a way! now let's stop arguing about how you go about making music and just go make some fucking music instead, yeah?
Sure. I'll write the name of a good therapist on it so you can have your immature subconsciously self hating passive aggressive tendencies psychoanalyzed.
Inspired by koan sound mean while
Actually us with synesthesia do.
sounds a lot like culprate
TO MUCH HD