I’m so happy you guys are back! One request: when you show a watch, please include a price. It really helps us who are less knowledgeable to see what is attainable. I found you guys as I was starting my watch journey, so I appreciate all the knowledge and banter. Thanks!
Nice to have you back, guys! I was wondering why nobody came up with a Zenith A386 as alternative to the Daytona. Daytona even used the Zenith movement for 10, 15(?) years until Rolex had finished their own chronograph movement.
Great to have you three guys back and can safely say this is the best watch podcast about. However, I did find the set up of the previous videos easier and liked the microphones in view as it actually felt like a podcast and less formal. No matter what I will be watching though :) appreciate you guys and all the team!
I DID get an alternative to the Submariner. For a little over a week, I have been the proud owner of a gorgeous _Blancpain Fifty Fathoms 5015,_ inky black dial, titanium on the bracelet.
@@AboutEffingTime Completely agree with you, Andrew. I traded an Explorer II for a Fifty Fathoms and have never looked back. It gets more wrist time than my Sub.
I thought about moving from a Sub to the Fifty but couldn’t get past how wearable the Sub is as an everyday piece. If I got a Fifty. it would need to substitute for something more like a Panerai.
I would pick a pre owned Glashutte Original SeaQ panorama date instead of a Submariner any day of the week. I'd even prefer something like a Horage Supersede over a sub , way more unique
The fact is Rolex submariner can’t hold the a candle against any of the fifty fathoms it’s run of the mill bland watch with all machine finishing except after market price and celebrity hype so blancpain fifty fathoms is a truly high horology diver
This was so fun episode to watch! Really looking forward to more. Even tho most of these watches are out of my pricerange its fun to see some affordible watches find its way in there (hope for more affordible watches) :) But love the energy you all bring to this, its really fun to watch!
I'm absolutely loving this new structure and the vast jump in quality from S1 to S2. Season 1 was incredible. However, the quality of this episode shows the true potential of this podcast and the amazing route it's going down. Loving this new series so far and looking forward to even more to come.
Well done lads!!!👏.....Well done!!!👏 Love the different POV in terms of approaching how to choose various alternatives. As collectors, we all value different characteristics of certain models. So the process of choosing an alternative, is anything but "cut n' dry." I feel like this was a fascinating exhibition, of these possible perspectives. Andrew, I really love the "Time and Tides collab" w/ Grenchen, the mission behind it, and your highlighting of said cause. We need to protect, and conserve, our vulnerable wildlife. Bravo men. Super excited for the rest of season 2. IMHO, best watch content on TH-cam. Cheers, and well wishes to all of you.....
Great to see you back guys, keep them coming. I was expecting someone to bring up the Zenith Chronomaster sport as an alternate to the Daytona, but maybe that would have been to obvious. Greetings from Malta.
Finally catching up with all the episodes, such a great start! It's amazing how you all are always an inch away from it falling apart and manage to stay a course 😂
I like how you each bring your own interpretation of the rules and then banter about who has the best pick lol. Glad to see the return of the number one watch podcast in the world! I can't speak to the other categories, but for the Rolex Submariner alternative, I am happy with my Christopher Ward Trident Pro 600. I know I am biased because it is a watch I own and love, but I feel it is a solid option.
Four Pillars sponsorship paid off. Just got back from Aus and drank loads of it. Even brought some back to the states. The stuff is fully legit. Cheers boys.
Great show. It’s probably not as warm and fuzzy for you all, but vigorous and good-hearted disagreement is much more interesting to me. The suggestions were all thought-provoking. Great job moving the show along. A very solid and enjoyable hour. Keep going!!!
Thanks for the feedback Mitch. And yeah these guys seem to hit their stride when in those areas of disagreement. And we also love good repectful conflict. Way more interesting.
Okay, for in this episode George nailed the Submariner alternative with the Tag Heuer aquaracer. Andrews pick to me is direct competitor of the Submariner with the Fithy Fathoms, while Adrian's choice was the Superocean and to me you can get better dive watches. The second alternative which was the Omega Speedmaster, Adrian's pick is the winner. George used the Zenith but I would used it in the Rolex Daytona alternative and Andrew's pick with the Bulova is not bad but if we take account from a finishing perspective the Bell and Ross it's better. The Calatrava alternative it's definitely Adrian's pick with the Longines Sector Dial. I mean, the Calatrava it's a icon for dress watches because of the old style dress watches that profesional people wear and the Sector Dial just gives the same vibe. The Rolex Daytona alternative I gave it to Adrian's Tudor, George's Bulgari finisimo chrono and Andrew's Parmigiani to me it's way different from a Daytona perspective. The Reverso alternative it's so Andrew's Cartier, because the fun thing about the JLC reverso its the gimmick to turn the case and what comes next to it was Andrew's pick. For the Moonswatch, Andrew wins again because the Mayfair it's so identical to the Moonswatch in terms of playfulness of colors and it's better built. The Rolex GMT alternative it's very difficult to judge for Andrew's and Adrian's picks, but in terms of alternatives I have to go with Adrian's choice, it has almost the same feeling of a Rolex GMT. I didn't pick the Longines because to me it's so diferent in terms of style. Great Show guys I am a big fan from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. Keep doing this videos, they're awesome!!!!!
My first dive watch ? ... ( no, really, i used it for its intended purpose ) Since i was re-certified in 1994 and i was finally able to afford a quality dive watch i bought a 16600. I no longer dive( too much ballast) but kept it and will pass it on in due time. Still have box papers and original receipt ( wished i bought ten of them at the time ) My advice : But it once and never regret it. Thanx Teddy love your stuff !
Zodiac Sea Wolf should have been up in the discussion for alt diver as well. Just my 2 cents. Nice episode! Also, spot on with Nivada. Love my Orange Boy SL model and I love that custom “save us” Chronomaster!
@@manuel_winde hahahaha I saw exactly what you did there. Hey. New game. Count how many times Adrian says ‘killa’ when referring to watches. That and ‘100 percent’. Could be the new AET drinking game. Seriously he drops those two statement ALL THE TIME.
I loved the new intro! The B&R Speedy alternative was not a great choice, though I think as a watch on its own it looks okay, if not special (and pricey). The Tudor as a Daytona alternative was crap, even if I like the watch on its own. Not to be harsh on Adrian, I also think the Zenith open heart alternative was a poor choice. It seemed like just an excuse because George liked the watch. The Bulgari chrono alternative was brilliant though.
Wow... It's so awesome to see you back, guys! 👌 so my humble choice (and an affordable one too in my perspective) in order would be: 1. Tudor Pelagos (the original 42 black dial) 2. Fortis Stratoliner (aka the actual space watch 😜) 3. Oris ProPilot X Caliber 400 4. Baltic Tricompax (as an alternative, because Adrian got my first choice and my second Tudor) 5. Tuff… but i go with a Frank Muller, just because the square case and because i’m totally not into it 6. Marathon General Purpose as a killer polymer watch 7. Tudor Black Bay GMT Great effing show, guys. Can’t wait the next one! 🤙
Yeah that new Baltic tricompax is a great addition you got there Arminp. Something about that seems very legit and not just a bite of someone else’s cherry.
Really pleased to see the superocean love - I have a 2012 - was my first ‘nice’ watch and still love it today - wear it more often than some of the Rolexes etc in collection
Very nice episode as always! I’d choose one of the the US special edition SBGW27x Grand Seikos as the dressy alternative, but JLC is fantastic as well. And not boring at all :) I love such timeless pieces.
Great idea for this episode. Loved that for each example watch, you each brought your own alternative to the table. It just led to a watch packed show in a short period of time. Learned a lot and was exposed to new brands I haven't heard of. Great work! Also, where did Andrew get his shirt? My style lol.
Thank you for the Mayfair. I really hope that Bamford keeps producing these. The 3 iterations I like have been sold out and I was told, that's it. I love the asymmetrical case and the 12hr bezel with the Bamford flair. Please keep these in production.
I call BS with respect to disqualifying the Bell & Ross chrono for just being a copy. If you want a good water resistance speedy style chrono it’s hard to find that. And remember, Rolex added the tachymeter bezel to their chrono some time after Omega, so ROLEX copied the Speedy. Don’t get too snobby Andrew.
Great to see you back for season 2, loving the show as ever. Probably would have put the Omega Seamaster 300 (not 300m) up there as a contender vs. the Sub. Heritage, build quality, classic but modernised styling... Zenith Chrono Sport vs. the Daytona (though not exactly 'available'!). Not sure how you let Andrew's choice of the Longines Zulu (great piece imo) slide after his own bold statement about 'not wanting to see anything that didn't have a bi-colour bezel' though!! Keep up the good work gents.
Wonderful that we have viewers such as you to keep the boys on thier toes. Indeed you are correct. Andrew broke his own freaking RULE. tsk tsk tsk. Naughty Andrew. Thanks for watching Jon!
I’m so happy this is back! Great Episode, love the idea. Alternative to the GMT, the Formex Reed GMT, alt for the Speedy - I’ll go Longines Big Eye with the black dial. And lastly alt for the sub, I’d say Tudor Pelagos 39. Thoughts?
Well that Pelegos is def a hot contender for an alternative to the sub. At 39mm is sitting right in that sweet spot. And the crown guards bring it closer to that perfect alternative as I am sure you know. Good call MrBev. ANd great to have you back in the gang for the wild ride!!!
Surprised no one said Tudor BB58 or Omega SMP 300M Diver for sub. Also think that the Grand Seiko SBGW231 is a perfect Calatrava alternative on a budget! $4300 USD for 37mm case size, cream dial, and the classic zaratsu hands and indices.
I think the bb58 was too obvious for the lads or they all thought the other one would mention it so they avoided. You see they never pre talk prior to the show with their pics. That way the banter is fresh and spontaneous. And wow your grand seiko alt for the cally is very on point. Good shout.
@@marcusflack1523 fair point about bb58 but they chose tudor chrono as Daytona alternative so that makes all Tudors fair game for rolex alternatives in my book. It's like if they picked an alternative to rolex explorer 2 and didn't choose the pro as an alternative.
@@joshuakaplan5726 indeed you have a very valid point there. Perhaps this is something we can address in this coming Sundays Therapy session. Btw. I am a Tudor man hands down. To me they are such a perfect brand for me. My fav watch in my collection is my Black Bay steel and gold. I like it more and more every day and love it’s strap hacking ability.
Great episode, thank you guys! And that Bamford alternative to the MoonSwatch reminds me very much of a Marathon Navigator.. which is also a very fun watch with proper military specs.
SOOOOOOO happy you guys are back. I could tell too because I was recapping France vs Poland and as soon as I heard that comment about Adrian’s strap I burst out laughing. I don’t have time to finish the video before bed, but am about half way through and will throw out some alternatives. Sub for me is the diver to own, but I nearly bought my alternative prior to getting may first Sub. The Omega Seamaster 300m Master Coaxial is for me a clear choice. Specifically the first generation too and not the new one. It’s a ‘57 Seamaster, but with some modern updates and it’s a helluva watch for the money in the grey market as prices are now going down again. I could have had one for $3500 back in the day and should have pulled the trigger. It’s a bit thick, but still wears well. Speedy alternative for me is easy. Daytona. I have a few Speedy Pros and I love them all (first Speedy Tuesday is the one to get if you ask me), but I also love my Daytona. That said, now just as I type you’re introducing the Daytona into the conversation and so I’ll go elsewhere. Tough to say off the top of my head. I’m thinking Zenith and that all black one. Calatrava has two immediate answers for me. Available new, I’d say Lange Saxonia 35mm or if you must 37mm. That said, and this has nothing to do with Andrew’s answer but it’s a very similar watch, I’d say Jaeger Lecoultre Geophysic 1958. Pick your metal. I had it in steel and traded it in to get my Speedmaster Japan Racing, but I didn’t want to. I can see myself getting it again in the future. Watch fit my wrist better than anything else I’ve ever owned. Dial was fantastic and the faux lume on the hands was very light and seemed more a color choice. Just a fantastic watch and were I filthy rich I’d have it in every metal. On to the Daytona, tough one. A few things come to mind. If you can’t get one thanks to your AD, and you can’t afford a gold or platinum reference, then a two-tone Daytona. Price only went up about 3% with the last increases while the steel went up 10%. Only thing I don’t like as much on the two-tones are the dials, though if I had to choose I’d go with the white dial. Another alternative, Speedmaster pick your side of the moon. Seemingly wears well for 44mm and you some great designs and a ton of watchmaking for some fantastic prices in the grey market (as prices have now gone down again to in some cases about 50% off). For me, I’d take the Apollo 8 which is a fantastic looking design. If I had the money though, I’d go Lange. Take your pick and I don’t care so much which metal. I have a Reverso, the thin tribute to 1913 from 2012. Love the watch and the syringe hands. I do want my recommended alternative though, which is a Cartier Tank Louis Cartier. It’s such a classic looking piece. That said, I think there are plenty of Tanks that would be viable alternatives and at various price points. Rolex GMT is my favorite Rolex and probably favorite watch of all time. If I had to find an alternative it’d be really hard. My immediate answer, go previous gen GMT and pick your bezel. Coke, Pepsi or even the underrated black. That said, I’ll play by the rules and go with…. Rolex Explorer II Polar. I only ever wanted the 40mm version from the 90s/00s, but having tried on the current gen it fits amazingly well. If I can’t go with Rolex here, I’d go with a Tudor Pepsi. Needs to be re-sized, but I think that will come in time.
With respect to Calatrava alternatives, consider the (mystifyingly underloved) Omega DeVille Tresor. Classic and gorgeous design with an amazing top shelf manual movement.
Sub alternative; Tudor Pelagos 39. Speedmaster Alternative; Breitling Navitimer Patek Calatrava Alternative; Gran Seiko SBGW231 Daytona Alternative; Zenith El Primero Reverso Alternative; Why buy anything else? 😂 Moonswatch Alternative; Just buy a different Swatch. Like the Dark Irony. Or if money is no concern, get the Breitling Endurance Pro.
aaaahhhh... drinking game time... chilling for an hour time... too many positives to mention here.. my attempt to provide alternatives: Navitimer = Seiko Flightmaster Breitling/Rolex divers = Glycine combat sub Cartier Tank = Seiko Tank solar
Such a great show gentlemen. Congrats and keep them coming. This is a lot of fun. 🎉also love the focus on several brands that are underrated or ignored, even if in contrast w the crown.
Guys, I'm not sure if I share a teste for watches with any of you, but it's always so fun to listen to these conversations. So it's great to have you back. I'm looking forward to the next episodes. And here are my alternatives. Submariner: well, I'm not a huge divewatch fan, but if I had to choose one, I'd go for the Omega Seamaster Diver 300M. Probably in blue. The sub is such a good looking watch. What fascinates me about the Seamaster is that I actually don't like it in pcitures. But I love the looks of it on the wrist. Moonwatch: I sort of agree with Andrew here about the Bulova, but I'd wait for the next year and the release of the new smaller (period accurate) version of it. In the meantime, I'd really have to go for the Hanhart 417 ES as one of the (albeit very much less) legendary monochrome chronographs. It's just beautiful and has a strong story to it as well, although very far from anything moon related (unless Hollywood stars count for a space theme :-D ). With the Calatrava, I'd just go for something from the Nomos Catalogue, maybe my Orion Neomatic Silvercut :-) . Daytona: well, I'd choose a Zenith here any time, I'd go for one of the current A384 models. Although I must say I liked the choice of the Bulgari here, great one George. I'd still go for the Zenith. Reverso: Really the tough one without bending the rules. I mean, I really don't know many reversible watches and certainly not in the at least a bit appropriate realm. So this time, I'd stretch it a bit... Reverso still gives me much sportier vibes than any other rectangular shaped watches. The Tank is, compared to Reverso, too dressy for me. But as an alternative, I'd stay within the Cartier catalogue and I'd go for the Santos de Cartier. Because, same as Reverso, this gives me the sportier vibes. MoonSwatch: I think George had a near miss... To make that a perfect alternative, that would have the be the CasiOak: an hommage to a legend, sort of, but in that familiar durable form. Many colours to choose from as well... GMT Master II: I was about to say "Just get a Seiko 5 GMT"... It's a great watch, probably all you'd ever need. Until you handle the GMT Master II in person... Well, since then it's difficult. Personally, I'd never go for the GMT Master II in the first place, I'd just go for the Explorer II (greetings Adrian), but since that's the same rabbit hole, I think I have to choose something else. I really like the Evolution 9 GMT from Grand Seiko, at least from the pictures and specs, but in reality it just doesn't give me the same feelings as the GMT Master II. The Rolex looks adventurous to me, but feels so supple on the wrist, while with the GS it's a bit of the other way around: looks kinda delicate, but feels a bit beefy on my wrist. I'd probably stick with the Seiko 5 here then, though that's even beefier (I've seen both of GMT Master II and the Seiko 5 GMT side-by-side). Oh, and I love the Nivada Grenchen.
Ha I missed that one. Fark me you’re sharp ThePro455. I had awarded more points to Andrew but indeed that takes a point away indeed. Great catch there.
It’s so great to have the show back. My choice for a submariner alternative would be the new Oris Divers sixty five 12H with the calibre 400 movement. While certainly not a replacement for the modern Sub, it does cover the aesthetic of the classic tool watch Rolexes of yesteryear. Also, I see an only fans site in the wings…•The naked watchmaker”. 😆
You guys should still do an episode from Edinburgh live (or recorded) with a participating studio audience, and with a whiskey brand as sponsor. 🥃🏴⌚👍
I will never ever get the appeal of the submariner. There are Rolexes that I like, I’m no hater at all, but the submariner is just so uninteresting to me.
I don’t see anything we have changed I. Regards to our delivery of content. Or regardless of sponsorship. But someone’s gotta pay the bills in order to allow us to give you this content for free. Hope that makes sense to you. Thanks for watching tomlaw
1. I'm most certainly not in the 1%. 2. Season 1 was paid for from our own pockets, the sponsor didn't cover the full cost. 3. We personally don't make money from this yet, all the money made goes into making the content. 4. Based on how much you think we're making, we're spending more than that on production and you get to watch it for free. Enjoy.
@@BarkandJack I've watched every show within an hr of coming out. I've seen all your watches and you own a Land Rover. I watch your channel too. If you don't think you aren't in the 1% you are actually deluding yourself. Yeah maybe next to George you feel that way, but compared to the world you couldn't be more well off.
What did we do to deserve this level of quality watch talk (for FREE)?!
You bought merch to keep us going haha
Sponsorships? 😊
being fans of these three, was enough🎉❤
For freeeee
This show is always 5 seconds away from falling apart into chaos 🤣 keeps me glued
And what a wonderful knife edge for us to all hang out together huh Moofy.
I’m so happy you guys are back! One request: when you show a watch, please include a price. It really helps us who are less knowledgeable to see what is attainable.
I found you guys as I was starting my watch journey, so I appreciate all the knowledge and banter.
Thanks!
Hey there Jason. Great suggestion. Might be a little difficult at times but def worth trying to integrate where possible. Thanks for the tip.
I agree, I watch this with a chrono24 tab open at all times 🤣
@@_kowono great technique hahaha
I was going to ask, give a price please when you present a watch, I litterrally google most of them.
This was great fun. Welcome back gents.
Good to be back!
So happy you guys are back!! And finally the clocks in the background are synced !
I want to know where we can buy them. That Zenith skeleton is fantastic.
Thanks, guys so much for the episode. It was great fun. Already looking forward to the next one.
Part 2 of same theme 🤫
Nice to have you back, guys! I was wondering why nobody came up with a Zenith A386 as alternative to the Daytona. Daytona even used the Zenith movement for 10, 15(?) years until Rolex had finished their own chronograph movement.
Probably just on aesthetics - that case design is quite boxy and different ?
or A384 for the 🐼
The Daytona is a passable alternative to the Chronomaster Sport. So it's the other way 'round, you see. :)
Great to have you three guys back and can safely say this is the best watch podcast about. However, I did find the set up of the previous videos easier and liked the microphones in view as it actually felt like a podcast and less formal. No matter what I will be watching though :) appreciate you guys and all the team!
Yeah the mics off changes the Rogan feel but we felt like dogs off the leash - felt goooood - Andrew
I DID get an alternative to the Submariner. For a little over a week, I have been the proud owner of a gorgeous _Blancpain Fifty Fathoms 5015,_ inky black dial, titanium on the bracelet.
That’s never ever an alternative. That’s a massive step up. Well done.
@@ulifluhme I second this remark. A major step up indeed.
Thank you for being awesome (and backing me in) - Andrew
@@AboutEffingTime Completely agree with you, Andrew. I traded an Explorer II for a Fifty Fathoms and have never looked back. It gets more wrist time than my Sub.
I thought about moving from a Sub to the Fifty but couldn’t get past how wearable the Sub is as an everyday piece. If I got a Fifty. it would need to substitute for something more like a Panerai.
Glad you guys are back and I didn't have to wait til next year! One of my favourite TH-cam channels! Thanks again!
Well we thought we would pack your stocking nice and tight ready for the big day. More to come respectablylate3081
I would pick a pre owned Glashutte Original SeaQ panorama date instead of a Submariner any day of the week. I'd even prefer something like a Horage Supersede over a sub , way more unique
Oh yes. The GO SeaQ Panorama date is amazing! Especially in bi-metal.
Nice. Despite my recent Fifty Fathoms purchase, that SeaQ Panorama Date Bicolor is still on my radar, if not a priority any more.
Great shout man. I loved shooting the seaq as well such amazing warping going on due to its incredible domed sapphire.
Great shout - I prefer the SEAQ pan / one I like comes on material tho which I’m undecided on!
The fact is Rolex submariner can’t hold the a candle against any of the fifty fathoms it’s run of the mill bland watch with all machine finishing except after market price and celebrity hype so blancpain fifty fathoms is a truly high horology diver
Happy to have you guys back! This is my favourite watch podcast! Excited about Season 2! Keep on the incredible work!
You’re our favourite commenters
Happy to have you guys back! Bring on Season 2 and super excited for what's to come. Cheers lads!
Cheers J W for the good energy !
This was so fun episode to watch! Really looking forward to more. Even tho most of these watches are out of my pricerange its fun to see some affordible watches find its way in there (hope for more affordible watches) :) But love the energy you all bring to this, its really fun to watch!
Fun to hang with our commenters too
Tame watchmaker. Nice touch, really getting Top Gear spirits from you three. I'm very happy this podcast is a thing.
Happy to have you here
I'm absolutely loving this new structure and the vast jump in quality from S1 to S2.
Season 1 was incredible. However, the quality of this episode shows the true potential of this podcast and the amazing route it's going down.
Loving this new series so far and looking forward to even more to come.
George, you have gone ahead and made our days - from us punks, thank you
@@AboutEffingTime Thank YOU for creating such an amazing community for us watch enthusiasts
Well done lads!!!👏.....Well done!!!👏 Love the different POV in terms of approaching how to choose various alternatives. As collectors, we all value different characteristics of certain models. So the process of choosing an alternative, is anything but "cut n' dry." I feel like this was a fascinating exhibition, of these possible perspectives. Andrew, I really love the "Time and Tides collab" w/ Grenchen, the mission behind it, and your highlighting of said cause. We need to protect, and conserve, our vulnerable wildlife. Bravo men. Super excited for the rest of season 2. IMHO, best watch content on TH-cam. Cheers, and well wishes to all of you.....
Tara, we see you back for S2 👏🏻
20:24 Guys. Y’all don’t need those ice breakers! Spot on chemistry 😊
We got em in this season, just to spice it up - got to keep y’all guessing 😉
Great to see you back guys, keep them coming. I was expecting someone to bring up the Zenith Chronomaster sport as an alternate to the Daytona, but maybe that would have been to obvious.
Greetings from Malta.
Yeah we talked enough about that comparison
great to have the banter back! Adrian with a bit more posturing! love it! haha
And boy oh boy does he LOOOOOVE to posture. Great to see you in the comments Kintang!
Finally catching up with all the episodes, such a great start! It's amazing how you all are always an inch away from it falling apart and manage to stay a course 😂
That’s our jam 🤦🏼♂️
I like how you each bring your own interpretation of the rules and then banter about who has the best pick lol.
Glad to see the return of the number one watch podcast in the world!
I can't speak to the other categories, but for the Rolex Submariner alternative, I am happy with my Christopher Ward Trident Pro 600. I know I am biased because it is a watch I own and love, but I feel it is a solid option.
Yeah I know what you mean about the rules. It’s like kids in the playground making em up as they go along.
Love the show you’re all great. Would love to see George’s picks be independent of his own work. It’s like voting for yourself.
George is the absolute world champion of the self high 5 🏆
@@AboutEffingTime 🙏
Four Pillars sponsorship paid off. Just got back from Aus and drank loads of it. Even brought some back to the states. The stuff is fully legit. Cheers boys.
Great show. It’s probably not as warm and fuzzy for you all, but vigorous and good-hearted disagreement is much more interesting to me. The suggestions were all thought-provoking. Great job moving the show along. A very solid and enjoyable hour. Keep going!!!
Thanks for the feedback Mitch. And yeah these guys seem to hit their stride when in those areas of disagreement. And we also love good repectful conflict. Way more interesting.
Great episode, good having to guys back. Loved this episode being a speedy and lunar choreograph owner.
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The cinematography in the intro was amazing!! Excited to see where the rest of the season goes!!
Marcus working his magic 👍🏻
Haha thanks for the big ups. We’re super proud of this. Thanks for watching!!!
You guys hit it out of the park with those last 3 selections.....putting them on my maybe list.
Okay, for in this episode George nailed the Submariner alternative with the Tag Heuer aquaracer. Andrews pick to me is direct competitor of the Submariner with the Fithy Fathoms, while Adrian's choice was the Superocean and to me you can get better dive watches.
The second alternative which was the Omega Speedmaster, Adrian's pick is the winner. George used the Zenith but I would used it in the Rolex Daytona alternative and Andrew's pick with the Bulova is not bad but if we take account from a finishing perspective the Bell and Ross it's better.
The Calatrava alternative it's definitely Adrian's pick with the Longines Sector Dial. I mean, the Calatrava it's a icon for dress watches because of the old style dress watches that profesional people wear and the Sector Dial just gives the same vibe.
The Rolex Daytona alternative I gave it to Adrian's Tudor, George's Bulgari finisimo chrono and Andrew's Parmigiani to me it's way different from a Daytona perspective.
The Reverso alternative it's so Andrew's Cartier, because the fun thing about the JLC reverso its the gimmick to turn the case and what comes next to it was Andrew's pick.
For the Moonswatch, Andrew wins again because the Mayfair it's so identical to the Moonswatch in terms of playfulness of colors and it's better built.
The Rolex GMT alternative it's very difficult to judge for Andrew's and Adrian's picks, but in terms of alternatives I have to go with Adrian's choice, it has almost the same feeling of a Rolex GMT. I didn't pick the Longines because to me it's so diferent in terms of style.
Great Show guys I am a big fan from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. Keep doing this videos, they're awesome!!!!!
Dammit - play by play, superb!
Thanks Jose🤘
about f-ing time yall are back. excited for the season. thanks guys yall are awesome.
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Bravo lads. These just keep getting better and better.
Thanks for the feedback William. We were indeed trying to keep raising the bar on quality. More to come!!
My first dive watch ? ... ( no, really, i used it for its intended purpose ) Since i was re-certified in 1994 and i was finally able to afford a quality dive watch i bought a 16600. I no longer dive( too much ballast)
but kept it and will pass it on in due time.
Still have box papers and original receipt ( wished i bought ten of them at the time )
My advice : But it once and never regret it.
Thanx Teddy love your stuff !
Zodiac Sea Wolf should have been up in the discussion for alt diver as well. Just my 2 cents. Nice episode!
Also, spot on with Nivada. Love my Orange Boy SL model and I love that custom “save us” Chronomaster!
Bloody hell that is a great option user-gm. Love their logo as well. Just gets me for some reason.
I got a Zodiac Liberty Super sea Wolf recently and it’s a killer watch (see what I did there🙈)- great proportions and really nice on wrist
@@manuel_winde hahahaha I saw exactly what you did there. Hey. New game. Count how many times Adrian says ‘killa’ when referring to watches. That and ‘100 percent’. Could be the new AET drinking game. Seriously he drops those two statement ALL THE TIME.
I loved the new intro! The B&R Speedy alternative was not a great choice, though I think as a watch on its own it looks okay, if not special (and pricey). The Tudor as a Daytona alternative was crap, even if I like the watch on its own. Not to be harsh on Adrian, I also think the Zenith open heart alternative was a poor choice. It seemed like just an excuse because George liked the watch. The Bulgari chrono alternative was brilliant though.
You need "So Effing Predictable" cards for George's picks! 😄
Welcome back for season 2!
We actually do
I am binge watching all these podcasts! I love you guys! ❤🙌🏻🔥 Such a refreshing dynamic!
Welcome!
Wow... It's so awesome to see you back, guys! 👌
so my humble choice (and an affordable one too in my perspective) in order would be:
1. Tudor Pelagos (the original 42 black dial)
2. Fortis Stratoliner (aka the actual space watch 😜)
3. Oris ProPilot X Caliber 400
4. Baltic Tricompax (as an alternative, because Adrian got my first choice and my second Tudor)
5. Tuff… but i go with a Frank Muller, just because the square case and because i’m totally not into it
6. Marathon General Purpose as a killer polymer watch
7. Tudor Black Bay GMT
Great effing show, guys. Can’t wait the next one! 🤙
Yeah that new Baltic tricompax is a great addition you got there Arminp. Something about that seems very legit and not just a bite of someone else’s cherry.
Solid🤘
Awesome episode guys! Great to see you back!
Great to be back ⚡️
Really pleased to see the superocean love - I have a 2012 - was my first ‘nice’ watch and still love it today - wear it more often than some of the Rolexes etc in collection
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Jeez.. Best episode till date!! Its about effing time this channel is voted best of all watch channels.. COOL AF!!
U R 2 KIND 🥹
Very nice episode as always! I’d choose one of the the US special edition SBGW27x Grand Seikos as the dressy alternative, but JLC is fantastic as well. And not boring at all :) I love such timeless pieces.
You’re a timeless piece
6:23 I swear the AET incorporating this new character gives me some old school Top Gear vibes. Love it!
Thanks a lot Matthew. Old Top Gear was great wasn't it.
Just the intro put a smile on my face!!!!! So glad to have you guys back together!!!!
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Great idea for this episode. Loved that for each example watch, you each brought your own alternative to the table. It just led to a watch packed show in a short period of time. Learned a lot and was exposed to new brands I haven't heard of. Great work!
Also, where did Andrew get his shirt? My style lol.
It was an entourage of watches. Bloody hell. But great that it taught you some info and gave you a giggle along the way. 😂
This is a shirt from the venerable fashion Maison ‘Zara’ - a knitted T that is perfectly fitted to me 😅 Andrew
@@Timeandtidewatches I also have heard of this Maison 'Zara'. 😆Thanks for the tip!
I’m so glad it’s back, it was part of my Sunday routine
We’re back on schedule 📆
Love the Wall clocks behind! Would Love to have only one 😊
They’re tricky, we’ll talk about it on therapy 👍🏻
I love you guys with your own individual personalities.
“If you can’t a JLC Reverso (that’s readily available), get a discontinued Cartier Basculante”
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I got the Reverso and for me, there’s no substitute 😁
Your def on the money there. Nice that you got a reverso in your stable.
Is that blue strap a Zenith or aftermarket strap ? - I need that color for my SBGY009.
George will need to say but I’m pretty sure it’s the original. Will have to check.
Thank you for the Mayfair. I really hope that Bamford keeps producing these. The 3 iterations I like have been sold out and I was told, that's it. I love the asymmetrical case and the 12hr bezel with the Bamford flair. Please keep these in production.
Hear hear!
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Welcome back lads! 🙏 I just wanted to say the BYOI watch had an incredible, touching story. Great work Andrew and T+T 👏
We love koalas 🐨🥹
I call BS with respect to disqualifying the Bell & Ross chrono for just being a copy. If you want a good water resistance speedy style chrono it’s hard to find that. And remember, Rolex added the tachymeter bezel to their chrono some time after Omega, so ROLEX copied the Speedy. Don’t get too snobby Andrew.
Great to see you back for season 2, loving the show as ever. Probably would have put the Omega Seamaster 300 (not 300m) up there as a contender vs. the Sub. Heritage, build quality, classic but modernised styling... Zenith Chrono Sport vs. the Daytona (though not exactly 'available'!). Not sure how you let Andrew's choice of the Longines Zulu (great piece imo) slide after his own bold statement about 'not wanting to see anything that didn't have a bi-colour bezel' though!! Keep up the good work gents.
Wonderful that we have viewers such as you to keep the boys on thier toes. Indeed you are correct. Andrew broke his own freaking RULE. tsk tsk tsk. Naughty Andrew. Thanks for watching Jon!
Season 2 🙌🏼 LETS GO LADS!
LET'S GO! 🙌
Tick. Tick tick BOOOOOOOOMMMM
Great episode again boys. Off to buy that blue Bamford Mayfair!
Oh no, another one! George really does owe me a cut 😤 - Andrew
Finally Season 2! I‘m pumped
Thanks for joining us Robin.
Us too, obviously
I’m so happy this is back! Great Episode, love the idea. Alternative to the GMT, the Formex Reed GMT, alt for the Speedy - I’ll go Longines Big Eye with the black dial. And lastly alt for the sub, I’d say Tudor Pelagos 39. Thoughts?
Well that Pelegos is def a hot contender for an alternative to the sub. At 39mm is sitting right in that sweet spot. And the crown guards bring it closer to that perfect alternative as I am sure you know. Good call MrBev. ANd great to have you back in the gang for the wild ride!!!
@@marcusflack1523 you’re the man. Love you getting involved in the chats.
@@MrBev19 ahhhh super nice of you. Thanks heaps!!!
About time gents!!!
Great to see you back
Great to see YOU back!
Good man Andrew!
@@AboutEffingTime absolutely enjoy every episode
great first episode back, cant wait for more from you guys!
Great to see you there Magnus!
Surprised no one said Tudor BB58 or Omega SMP 300M Diver for sub. Also think that the Grand Seiko SBGW231 is a perfect Calatrava alternative on a budget! $4300 USD for 37mm case size, cream dial, and the classic zaratsu hands and indices.
I think the bb58 was too obvious for the lads or they all thought the other one would mention it so they avoided. You see they never pre talk prior to the show with their pics. That way the banter is fresh and spontaneous.
And wow your grand seiko alt for the cally is very on point. Good shout.
@@marcusflack1523 fair point about bb58 but they chose tudor chrono as Daytona alternative so that makes all Tudors fair game for rolex alternatives in my book. It's like if they picked an alternative to rolex explorer 2 and didn't choose the pro as an alternative.
@@joshuakaplan5726 indeed you have a very valid point there. Perhaps this is something we can address in this coming Sundays Therapy session. Btw. I am a Tudor man hands down. To me they are such a perfect brand for me. My fav watch in my collection is my Black Bay steel and gold. I like it more and more every day and love it’s strap hacking ability.
Great episode, thank you guys! And that Bamford alternative to the MoonSwatch reminds me very much of a Marathon Navigator.. which is also a very fun watch with proper military specs.
That Parmigiani Fleurier GT is a killer watch. One of my grails.
THANK YOU - isnt it a ripper (Andrew here)
SOOOOOOO happy you guys are back. I could tell too because I was recapping France vs Poland and as soon as I heard that comment about Adrian’s strap I burst out laughing.
I don’t have time to finish the video before bed, but am about half way through and will throw out some alternatives. Sub for me is the diver to own, but I nearly bought my alternative prior to getting may first Sub. The Omega Seamaster 300m Master Coaxial is for me a clear choice. Specifically the first generation too and not the new one. It’s a ‘57 Seamaster, but with some modern updates and it’s a helluva watch for the money in the grey market as prices are now going down again. I could have had one for $3500 back in the day and should have pulled the trigger. It’s a bit thick, but still wears well.
Speedy alternative for me is easy. Daytona. I have a few Speedy Pros and I love them all (first Speedy Tuesday is the one to get if you ask me), but I also love my Daytona. That said, now just as I type you’re introducing the Daytona into the conversation and so I’ll go elsewhere. Tough to say off the top of my head. I’m thinking Zenith and that all black one.
Calatrava has two immediate answers for me. Available new, I’d say Lange Saxonia 35mm or if you must 37mm. That said, and this has nothing to do with Andrew’s answer but it’s a very similar watch, I’d say Jaeger Lecoultre Geophysic 1958. Pick your metal. I had it in steel and traded it in to get my Speedmaster Japan Racing, but I didn’t want to. I can see myself getting it again in the future. Watch fit my wrist better than anything else I’ve ever owned. Dial was fantastic and the faux lume on the hands was very light and seemed more a color choice. Just a fantastic watch and were I filthy rich I’d have it in every metal.
On to the Daytona, tough one. A few things come to mind. If you can’t get one thanks to your AD, and you can’t afford a gold or platinum reference, then a two-tone Daytona. Price only went up about 3% with the last increases while the steel went up 10%. Only thing I don’t like as much on the two-tones are the dials, though if I had to choose I’d go with the white dial. Another alternative, Speedmaster pick your side of the moon. Seemingly wears well for 44mm and you some great designs and a ton of watchmaking for some fantastic prices in the grey market (as prices have now gone down again to in some cases about 50% off). For me, I’d take the Apollo 8 which is a fantastic looking design. If I had the money though, I’d go Lange. Take your pick and I don’t care so much which metal.
I have a Reverso, the thin tribute to 1913 from 2012. Love the watch and the syringe hands. I do want my recommended alternative though, which is a Cartier Tank Louis Cartier. It’s such a classic looking piece. That said, I think there are plenty of Tanks that would be viable alternatives and at various price points.
Rolex GMT is my favorite Rolex and probably favorite watch of all time. If I had to find an alternative it’d be really hard. My immediate answer, go previous gen GMT and pick your bezel. Coke, Pepsi or even the underrated black. That said, I’ll play by the rules and go with…. Rolex Explorer II Polar. I only ever wanted the 40mm version from the 90s/00s, but having tried on the current gen it fits amazingly well. If I can’t go with Rolex here, I’d go with a Tudor Pepsi. Needs to be re-sized, but I think that will come in time.
With respect to Calatrava alternatives, consider the (mystifyingly underloved) Omega DeVille Tresor. Classic and gorgeous design with an amazing top shelf manual movement.
Very handsome watch that
Loving the show, guys!
How about Fortis as moon/space watch alternative?
Sub alternative; Tudor Pelagos 39.
Speedmaster Alternative; Breitling Navitimer
Patek Calatrava Alternative; Gran Seiko SBGW231
Daytona Alternative; Zenith El Primero
Reverso Alternative; Why buy anything else? 😂
Moonswatch Alternative; Just buy a different Swatch. Like the Dark Irony. Or if money is no concern, get the Breitling Endurance Pro.
i think youre right about that reverso. There kind of isnt an alternative to that number. Its sooo damn unique and has its own vibe!
aaaahhhh... drinking game time... chilling for an hour time... too many positives to mention here..
my attempt to provide alternatives:
Navitimer = Seiko Flightmaster
Breitling/Rolex divers = Glycine combat sub
Cartier Tank = Seiko Tank solar
You’re the boss Sanchito 🥂
Such a great show gentlemen. Congrats and keep them coming. This is a lot of fun. 🎉also love the focus on several brands that are underrated or ignored, even if in contrast w the crown.
Finally, it’s about effing think boys!
Sure is
Guys, I'm not sure if I share a teste for watches with any of you, but it's always so fun to listen to these conversations. So it's great to have you back. I'm looking forward to the next episodes. And here are my alternatives. Submariner: well, I'm not a huge divewatch fan, but if I had to choose one, I'd go for the Omega Seamaster Diver 300M. Probably in blue. The sub is such a good looking watch. What fascinates me about the Seamaster is that I actually don't like it in pcitures. But I love the looks of it on the wrist. Moonwatch: I sort of agree with Andrew here about the Bulova, but I'd wait for the next year and the release of the new smaller (period accurate) version of it. In the meantime, I'd really have to go for the Hanhart 417 ES as one of the (albeit very much less) legendary monochrome chronographs. It's just beautiful and has a strong story to it as well, although very far from anything moon related (unless Hollywood stars count for a space theme :-D ). With the Calatrava, I'd just go for something from the Nomos Catalogue, maybe my Orion Neomatic Silvercut :-) . Daytona: well, I'd choose a Zenith here any time, I'd go for one of the current A384 models. Although I must say I liked the choice of the Bulgari here, great one George. I'd still go for the Zenith. Reverso: Really the tough one without bending the rules. I mean, I really don't know many reversible watches and certainly not in the at least a bit appropriate realm. So this time, I'd stretch it a bit... Reverso still gives me much sportier vibes than any other rectangular shaped watches. The Tank is, compared to Reverso, too dressy for me. But as an alternative, I'd stay within the Cartier catalogue and I'd go for the Santos de Cartier. Because, same as Reverso, this gives me the sportier vibes. MoonSwatch: I think George had a near miss... To make that a perfect alternative, that would have the be the CasiOak: an hommage to a legend, sort of, but in that familiar durable form. Many colours to choose from as well... GMT Master II: I was about to say "Just get a Seiko 5 GMT"... It's a great watch, probably all you'd ever need. Until you handle the GMT Master II in person... Well, since then it's difficult. Personally, I'd never go for the GMT Master II in the first place, I'd just go for the Explorer II (greetings Adrian), but since that's the same rabbit hole, I think I have to choose something else. I really like the Evolution 9 GMT from Grand Seiko, at least from the pictures and specs, but in reality it just doesn't give me the same feelings as the GMT Master II. The Rolex looks adventurous to me, but feels so supple on the wrist, while with the GS it's a bit of the other way around: looks kinda delicate, but feels a bit beefy on my wrist. I'd probably stick with the Seiko 5 here then, though that's even beefier (I've seen both of GMT Master II and the Seiko 5 GMT side-by-side). Oh, and I love the Nivada Grenchen.
Scholarly! 👨🏼🏫
@@AboutEffingTime How's that for a comment
Congrats on the expanding sponsors!
thanks a lot mate.
Yeah it makes a difference to what we can achieve with our ideas. Love having you on board tolchocker !!!
Another brilliant show gents. Keep the banter going - just what the industry needs.
Can’t stop won’t stop 👊🏼
I'm shocked it took 17mins before Tag were mentioned
We had to tie George down to achieve that. But it’s impossible to keep a lid on him forever. Yesssss
The chemistry makes this podcast. Watching this makes me want to go to a pub and shoot the sit with my mates.
I know right. That’s def the vibes we r trying to envoke. Glad it’s hitting your button yojimbo
Andrew: "I will not accept anything that is not a bi color bezel."
Also Andrew: "Longines Spirit Zulu Time"
Ha I missed that one. Fark me you’re sharp ThePro455. I had awarded more points to Andrew but indeed that takes a point away indeed. Great catch there.
Great to have you back guys!!
Great to be back, we missed you too
It's About Effing Time you were back...
Agree
Great to have you guys back! This has transitioned to the top gear of watches 😅 and there’s nothing wrong with that!
It’s so great to have the show back. My choice for a submariner alternative would be the new Oris Divers sixty five 12H with the calibre 400 movement. While certainly not a replacement for the modern Sub, it does cover the aesthetic of the classic tool watch Rolexes of yesteryear. Also, I see an only fans site in the wings…•The naked watchmaker”. 😆
I also have my eye on the diver 65. Killer offering. Great shout shawn
How refreshing it is to see people who clearly love watches and who don’t absolutely trash Tag heuer ! Love it
Yes! Season 2! Tick tock mf’ers! Great content, even better chemistry! Bring it on guys!
Great to see you back David 🙌🏻
Brunken oath!
Awesome, you guys are rocking it. Great show. Thanks so much.
Thanks to positive legends like you 🙌
And we’re back!
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ITS BAAAACK!! 💕💕💕✨✨✨
YESSSSSSSS
Great start for season II, the magic is still there, and will remain, you guys are awesome, Greetings from MX
Ahhhh Fernando thanks for your words means a lot. Thanks for joining!!!! This is gonna be a fun ride.
You guys should still do an episode from Edinburgh live (or recorded) with a participating studio audience, and with a whiskey brand as sponsor. 🥃🏴⌚👍
We have live shows in the pipeline. Edinburgh is a great shot. Especially with whisky in mind. 👍🏻
Maybe we could do the comedy festival. 😂
Great show as always. I love the delta wing design on the counter balance second hand on the Bell & Ross. Thanks guys. 👍
Me to & I also liked the look of those tomato based drinks.
I will never ever get the appeal of the submariner. There are Rolexes that I like, I’m no hater at all, but the submariner is just so uninteresting to me.
It’s the ubiquity - but also the perfection - perfect and practical can def be boring
Stoked you gentleman are back! Great episode 🔥
And wonderful to see you here as well Matthew!!!
Let's go season 2.
Thanks for watching Jay.
LFGGGGGG
Great to see you guys back.
Super great to be back WatchingJames
couldnt click any faster.
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Marcus I enjoyed watching this a second time- well done.. so much packed in here!
Adrian dissed the lunar pilot and came back with a B&R as his choice?😂 Come on now
Playboy. I completely agree. Like I sooooo agree.
🤣 it’s just better looking 🤷🏼♂️
@@BarkandJack yawwwwwnnnn
I love how serious they all turn once they get down to business lol.
Its funny cause they can actually all turn up the serious dial on demand. These guys know their shit!
and it's back!
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Welcome back! Great episode!
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3 men in the top 1% of humanity as far as finances... yet you load on more sponsors. Well it was fun while it lasted, enjoy your money.
I don’t see anything we have changed I. Regards to our delivery of content. Or regardless of sponsorship. But someone’s gotta pay the bills in order to allow us to give you this content for free. Hope that makes sense to you. Thanks for watching tomlaw
1. I'm most certainly not in the 1%.
2. Season 1 was paid for from our own pockets, the sponsor didn't cover the full cost.
3. We personally don't make money from this yet, all the money made goes into making the content.
4. Based on how much you think we're making, we're spending more than that on production and you get to watch it for free. Enjoy.
@@marcusflack1523 One of George's 500 cars could pay for the series for a lifetime. You clearly don't realize how rich he is.
@@tomlaw8821 clearly you don’t understand regular business economics Tom. Hey…thanks for your thoughts. 😉
@@BarkandJack I've watched every show within an hr of coming out. I've seen all your watches and you own a Land Rover. I watch your channel too. If you don't think you aren't in the 1% you are actually deluding yourself. Yeah maybe next to George you feel that way, but compared to the world you couldn't be more well off.
Moonswatch alternative - the NASA series of GShocks - more complications, more durable and has splashes of color.
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@@AboutEffingTime you had to take it too far 🤣🤣
Brilliant mates. Love this channel, and can't wait until your next post. Cheers
See you on the next one Craig. Great to have you along.