Lewisham's Magic River Quaggy - South London walk (4K)

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  • A walk following the River Quaggy through Lewisham in South London. Watch part 2 of this walk here • Walking the River Quag...
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    The River Quaggy rises at Locksbottom in the London Borough of Bromley and is known as the Kyd Brook in its lower reaches. It flows through Chislehurst, where it becomes the Quaggy and eventually makes its confluence with the River Ravensbourne at Lewisham. This South London walk starts Lewisham DLR station and follows the Quaggy through Lewisham Town Centre to Manor Park, formerly a pig farm, then to Manor Gardens Park with its fantastic library situated in the 18th Century Manor House. We then return to a stretch of Lee Road to Lee Green and follow the river into Blackheath where this section of the walk ends.
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  • @richardprescott6322
    @richardprescott6322 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Brilliant. Born in Lewisham 1966. Remember the old Cheesemans store. Now a mega police station. Funny about the sacrifices. For some reason my 2 brothers and I always dropped a couple of Airfix soldiers in the river - sometimes in a paper boat or big matchbox. Used to walk miles Brockley, through Lewisham, up to Blackheath, down into Greenwich and obviously down the foot tunnel to the Isle of dogs. Then walk all the way back. I left London when I was 6. Have been back very changed
    You mentioned Eels. We used to walk to Catford - being gruesome kids we used to love watching a guy chop up live eels and fry them in a pan as the bits seemed to be alive, still jumping around in the pan.
    Great ways matie

  • @Alison-LoveAndUnity
    @Alison-LoveAndUnity ปีที่แล้ว +53

    South London has a good soul to it. Its really just a network of villages connected to each other. It isn't impersonal, even in busy traffic centres it never removes the people and the soul of a place. I would also argue its more traditionally working class than North London which gives it a character and a humanity that is so appealing. It's family and it's life.

    • @sarac.3259
      @sarac.3259 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Totally agree. This is very local to me. I used to live in Bromley - was very happy there - but this area is particularly friendly, very multi-cultural and full of creative people. There is so much happening.

    • @russelledwards001
      @russelledwards001 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s alright. Few too many crackheads.

    • @ronwhite8503
      @ronwhite8503 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Not Looshum, it's always been a 'hole.

    • @isfbuster6733
      @isfbuster6733 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sarac.3259 Lol

    • @ceciljohnrhodes4987
      @ceciljohnrhodes4987 ปีที่แล้ว

      Top man.

  • @billie4106
    @billie4106 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My dad is 83, he used to go in the quagga when he was a lad, Shirley bassey sung in the pub along the way. The tigers head, she was a little known then..

  • @frederix7847
    @frederix7847 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I first came across the Quaggy at 35000 feet; I kept noticing the name on the moving map on aircraft and thought surely there isn't a place called Quaggy. Many years later my son moved to a not great flat in the Hither Green area and as we walked around the area I was trying to find something positive to say - then, in a modern housing estate, we came across a bridge and the mighty River Quaggy and there was the blue flash of a kingfisher - and all was well!

  • @darrenwhitecross5932
    @darrenwhitecross5932 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    WOW! I just stumbled across this. I grew up with my brother in Catford til we moved to kent around 1977. We lived in Beachfield rd and from there we used to walk down to the Quaggy then walk bare foot as far as Depford or the other direction sometimes. I actually thought my mum made up the name Quaggy! What great times we had back then and it cost nothing, your video actually made me cry a little hearing and seeing my old playground that is The Quaggy. Thank you John.

  • @nigelbryant5932
    @nigelbryant5932 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Thank you for posting this. As kids 50 years ago,we used to walk as far as we could from Lee, Lewisham, Deptford, Greenwich etc. Brings back memories. As a train driver I drive through Lewisham Every day. I can't believe the amount of tower blocks that are being built. Unfortunately no new schools, doctors or dentist are being built. Becoming very overcrowded.

    • @russelledwards001
      @russelledwards001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it? REALLY?

    • @anthonymitchell6216
      @anthonymitchell6216 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Terrible what they are doing around Lewisham station , almost hellish.

    • @LJinx3
      @LJinx3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They’ve set their sights on Penge next. Terrible.

  • @Queen-of-Swords
    @Queen-of-Swords ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I lived in South East London for 20 years and miss it madly. Many of these places are where I took my little girl when we lived in Catford, and would hop on the bus and go to Lee Manor Park. Happy Days! She's 14 now!

  • @TheAlienInterview
    @TheAlienInterview ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The derelict pub in Lee High Road, called the Dirty South (formerly named the Rose Of Lee), is where Kate Bush started her singing career. She lived a few streets away from me in Brockley, Lewisham in the late 1970s. Also, I've read on music websites that the large pub near Hither Green station is where Jimi Hendrix lived for a time.

    • @MrLewisFloydHenry
      @MrLewisFloydHenry ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No way Jimi Hendrix lived in Hither Green

    • @TheAlienInterview
      @TheAlienInterview ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MrLewisFloydHenry It's mentioned in Mel Wright's book called "Rock Around Lewisham" and I've also seen it talked about on websites, blogs and internet forums. It's all a bit sketchy as no one seems to know for sure where he lived in Hither Green, but a number of people have said it was the big pub near the station called the Station Pub & Hotel. I hope it's true.

    • @jdlotus8253
      @jdlotus8253 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where exactly did you start filming (fairly local, want to see it )?

  • @danperryuk2003
    @danperryuk2003 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I lived in Lewisham area between 2008 and 2013, you're right about the attachment, I really miss it, the area, the people. I was unfortunately out priced and couldn't afford to live there anymore (now in Glasgow). I come and stay in Greenwich when I can and make sure I visit the area whilst staying, it doesn't feel like I've stayed in London if I don't visit my then local area. I'd move back in a heartbeat if I could. Thank you so much for this video.

    • @ianmaddams9577
      @ianmaddams9577 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glasgow is also a beautiful city with lots of history also 👍🏻

  • @kskssxoxskskss2189
    @kskssxoxskskss2189 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What are the odds? From my American home, I'd never heard of Lewisham until this video. Later Sunday night, I picked a new library audiobook,and one key couple have just moved out of
    Lewisham, where they were happy. And thanks to this video, I know why.

  • @richardforder8390
    @richardforder8390 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remember when the quaggy flooded in 1968. I was 23 at the time and lived in Ludwick road which was redeveloped in the 1970s

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was six and lived in southbrook rd, about five roads down towards Manor House gardens was kerb deep water and beyond the ability of my tiny wellies.

    • @sarac.3259
      @sarac.3259 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@highdownmartin Oh goodness. Strange to think of flooding in this area. I was in Southbrook Road just yesterday visiting one of the venues for Open Studio (local artists and creatives).

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sarac.3259 we lived at no 48. Really big house, my sister was born there so that was July 65 I was three and my folks paid four grand ( and had a mortgage till they downsized) easily worth a million now! Clarks bakery at the top end of the road and chiltonian biscuits at the bottom. It smelt bloody marvellous living there. Manor caff is still going!

  • @dianastevenson131
    @dianastevenson131 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    John - the Quaggy Waterways Action Group (QWAG) has been trying to make the river more accessible for many years, and hopes to develop a "Quaggy Walk" with more parts of the river open. The part of the river you tried to reach from Blackheath Park is accessible from Weigall Road, off Eltham Road. I live very nearby if you're in the area again and want a guide. I grew up playing in the Quaggy further upstream in Mottingham, which is an interesting area with fields and woods stretching to Chislehurst. I can show you the Quaggy tributories in Mottingham too if you'd be interested. Your videos are wonderful - true psychogeography. I'm so glad you came to my manor at last!

  • @grahamsibbert2412
    @grahamsibbert2412 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a kid back in the late 50s we used to cycle from Catford ( the Ravensborne runs through Catford) up to The Dutch House pub between Eltham and Lee. We used to play in the Quaggy. This is what is described as the boundary between Eltham, Lee and Mottingham.I met my wife there but at that time I had no idea she would be my wife. There used to be a small Aviary in Manor Park.

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Remember the birds, circa 1970.

  • @Limabelasun
    @Limabelasun ปีที่แล้ว +19

    As a child in SE London, storys of the Quaggy, Pool, ravensbourn were stuff of myths. Nowdays they are all culverted and urban drains, however as a River Keeper, they have had a lot of restoration carried out. Affording some great urban fly fishing. They are notorious for flooding, so they built right up to them and over them, Clearly no common sense and still liable to flooding despite extensive flood risk mitigation. Lewisham is unrecognisable nowadays but for the old buildings with unique architecture.

  • @iBeLucille
    @iBeLucille ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I grew up and my parents still live on Weardale Road. We love the Quaggy and we love South London 😍

  • @carolwaugh5466
    @carolwaugh5466 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember the Ravensbourne from childhood. Also Lewisham, Blackheath, Catford, Hither Green, and so on. It’s great that you are reminding me of all these places. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks! (And now I’m 80, living in the USA)

  • @elenast.marthe7286
    @elenast.marthe7286 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well I'm one of those people that love living in the South East, especially Lewisham.I have lived here all my life.I love other parts of London, but Lewisham is the place I call home and where I come back to.This a beautiful video, showing my favourite places, Hither green,Lee.Home sweet home.Thank you for this video.

  • @vivienwilliams1538
    @vivienwilliams1538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is going to be good. Remember when I was 9 getting stuck down a concrete walled area confining the Quaggy - at Kidbrooke - near the station. My little legs not long enough to climb out but I managed it in the end. Got a smacked leg from my mum for getting my new coat wet!

  • @markriley4665
    @markriley4665 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    What a wonderfully strange coincidence John. I did a loop walk around Lewisham and Ladywell today (Sunday 13 Nov) and experienced the Ravensbourne and the Quaggy. So great to be treading in your footsteps.

  • @spitfire1962
    @spitfire1962 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A friend of my sister use to say that she lived in Lewisham on the Quaggy

  • @TheAlienInterview
    @TheAlienInterview ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Opposite the River Quaggy in Lewisham High Street once stood the Lewisham Odeon, which was a famous music venue until it closed in the early 1980s. My parents saw the Beatles there in December 1963. I didn't know until two years ago that one of my favourite rock bands of all time (Van Halen) played there in May 1978. I've read on a few websites that the band's lead singer David Lee Roth called Lewisham "the rock 'n' roll capital of the world" during the band's performance there. I came across a set of photos of the band on their tour bus parked outside the Odeon (in Rennell Street). For more information about the Odeon and Lewisham's rock 'n' roll history, check out the 1990s book entitled "Rock Around Lewisham" by Mel Wright.

    • @seannolan2259
      @seannolan2259 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mel played in a band called The Quaggy Delta Blues Band!!

    • @TheAlienInterview
      @TheAlienInterview ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seannolan2259 I didn't know that, what a coincidence.

    • @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066
      @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheAlienInterview I worked in the music biz when I was younger. That is quite an accolade coming from such an extravagant showman as Dave - one of the very best at his peak IMHO - thanks for sharing.

    • @thewatcher5694
      @thewatcher5694 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Confused me for a moment here, I thought the Beatles played at the Gaumont in 1963, I didn’t get in but was outside that night. I checked further and the venue changed to Odean at some point after I left London ‘64. I lived on Skinners Row, Greenwich, and the Quaggy ran at the bottom and I played in it b@ck in the day. Skinners Row is now an industrial estate opposite Greenwich law courts!

    • @TheAlienInterview
      @TheAlienInterview ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thewatcher5694 My parents remember it being called the Gaumont. It was a very posh cinema/theatre & restaurant before it was taken over and modernised by Odeon Cinemas. My dad and his cousin used to go there to see films when they were children. My dad would've been 17 or 18 when he saw the Beatles there in 63. By then, he was the lead guitarist of a group he had formed in his hometown of Peckham called the Fortune Tellers. They used to play live at the Guys & Dolls club in Greenwich town centre every Saturday night.

  • @ianmaddams9577
    @ianmaddams9577 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I actually dug down through the path in Lewisham high street and exposed the culverted part of the quaggy . When installing a foundation for a sign at about 5.50 in the video. Surprisingly it was only about two ft below the path .
    Great video as always John 👍🏻

    • @wildcornerz
      @wildcornerz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you search Internal Networkz vol 1 there is footage of the subterranean part of the river. There is a hole which creates a kind of camera obscurer which projects onto the wall down there.

  • @terryblack2219
    @terryblack2219 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you John
    Another great walk, Quaggy what a strange name… when you are setting off on these walks and putting your boots on do remember we are with you… your such a uplift in a world full of gloom…😊

  • @Aubury
    @Aubury ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A childhood memory, many a booter was gotten in the Quaggy. There were sticklebacks there once upon a time..

  • @magicdaz
    @magicdaz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From Linda (Peckham) and I (Brockley), thank you for venturing South of the water once more. My favourite river. Please return.

  • @debsmostexcellentadventure5353
    @debsmostexcellentadventure5353 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a cockney nice to watch this,not many of me left,and in 30 years were be gone for good,and it be the crap thats spoken in london now debs xx

    • @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066
      @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066 ปีที่แล้ว

      It really is a shame about our disappearing accents. Both sides of my family were immigrants but I still managed to be born with the local tongue. I put this down to the water, don't know if there is any truth in that. I always feel listening to John and his connections with the past that he is an old soul. Love from Yorkshire.

    • @debsmostexcellentadventure5353
      @debsmostexcellentadventure5353 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BaronMichaelDeBlone1066 Thank you and ditto debs xx

  • @johnbrydon2601
    @johnbrydon2601 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Manor Park featured above has an interesting if short history, being opened only in the late sixties.
    The name of the nearby road is, itself, Manor Park and the upper entrance of the new park was originally the site of number 40 Manor Park.
    My parents lived here until it was destroyed by enemy bombing in, I think, 1944. My mother was sheltering in the cellar at the time and it took a few hours to free her from the rubble.
    After this a large water tank was built on the site, which fell into disrepair after the war and remained so until the land was acquired by the Council in the fifties.

  • @doyoueverstop
    @doyoueverstop ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Loved this. I grew up on a council estate in Eltham, the estate backed on to a large collection tion of sports fields (our playground as kids) which included Peak Freans Sport and Social Club (now belongs to Colfes School), Old Brocklieans Rugby Club and The Civil Service sports club, The Quaggy runs straight through the middle of these sports fields and then through a tunnell which goes under the railway line. We were often playing in The Quaggy, all the way up alongside the A20 and where it opens out into a series of small lakes and ponds in The Tarn Park, which is located virtually opposite Mottingham Station.

  • @TheWildSide369
    @TheWildSide369 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thanks for showing how old Lewisham is now. First place that gave me a good welcome to London in 2007 when started my master degree . Lived at Greenwich, Bromley, New Cross Gate, London Bridge, Kilburn and Poplar. Nice walkings between Greenwich and Canary Wharf and Lewisham on the first months. Always felt like home. Love at first walk. The City that helped me to be stronger and healed in every sense.

    • @reagarrett8548
      @reagarrett8548 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I lived in lee high rd in the fish & chip shop voted the best in south east London.Loved the river walk brought back so many good memories.Look forward to your next walk.

  • @brucehosie5344
    @brucehosie5344 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thirty years ago?, New Cross Gate? He he! used to play at the Venue very often, pop into the Dew Drop and Amersham Arms, happy hippie days!. Great vid

  • @likeakite
    @likeakite ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I was a child we used to play in the Ravensbourne. My parents used to have a flat in Whitchurch House on the Bromley Road and the Ravensbourne ran at the back of the flats. That was more than 60 years ago, where does time go !

  • @nelliemelba4967
    @nelliemelba4967 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    All the streets where I grew up,! Thankfully preserved from too much change. Lewisham though...ugh...what an eyesore it's become. Lovely walk, John. Thanks for helping me reminisce a bit!

  • @recrp1
    @recrp1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great footage and commentary. I’m a North Londoner moved south, for love, now resident in Kent. South East London will always have my heart.

  • @ashleysgaze
    @ashleysgaze ปีที่แล้ว +10

    John, what a name for a river! The Quaggy, a truly magical, mystical and tough waterway! ❤

  • @lindasueanderson8024
    @lindasueanderson8024 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I am always so happy to see south London walks - should I ever get to London again, I want to spend much more time there as I often think that should I be lucky enough to live in London, south London looks like the place that I would like to call home. Especially with a river named Quaggy nearby.

  • @williamriley661
    @williamriley661 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was born in 1943 in Burnt Ash Hill, Lee. My playing fields were the banks of The Quaggy around Mottingham. I went to school in Coopers Lane Infants school followed by Baring Road and "the tin huts". Memories.....

    • @jameswilkinson2242
      @jameswilkinson2242 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow you must have seen it change quite a bit in those times. You probably saw the Northbrook school i went to being built?

    • @ralphgrizzell5516
      @ralphgrizzell5516 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow! I also used to live on Burnt Ash Hill and I also went to Coopers Lane. I'm almost 17 now but I can Imagine it was very different when you were younger.

  • @JTTW1455
    @JTTW1455 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Quaggy was a treat, what a lovely walk, thanks John.

  • @londonguy73
    @londonguy73 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Grew up on Manor Lane, 100 yards from Manor House Gardens. Not been back for probably 25 years now but i used to play in the Quaggy river in the park as a kid in the 80s all the time. Used to catch Stickleback fish in there

  • @Joy-gc1pi
    @Joy-gc1pi ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We are getting our first snow in My part of Ontario, Canada today! Captive audience for your walk today.

  • @sebastiennesp1978
    @sebastiennesp1978 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Quaggy, as in quagmire. With it's steep incline into Lewisham, in the past it contributed to much flooding. I used to take my Great Dane to the Quaggy Duck, a pub in the centre of town, named appropriately after a certain river...

  • @murielneve7974
    @murielneve7974 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video appeared on my screen this morning. what a surprise! I grew up in Catford during the 2nd world war. in those days there was a river than ran down the middle of Rushy Green with a bridge over it., later covered in. I thought it was the Quaggy, or perhaps the Quaggy ran beside the rail line at Catford Bridge Station where I walked to visit an aunt on Ermine Road, through the recreation ground. I recognized the Lewisham monument (that had a drinking trough for horses and an iron cup for people) but nothing else, and it is now surrounded whereas it was quite open in the middle of the intersection with Cheeseman's dept. store behind. I left London in 1956 and Britain in 1964. It's a different place, for sure.

  • @telemachus53
    @telemachus53 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love park cafes! Pity it was so rainy and cold, but you walked the walk and it was beautiful.

  • @philiptomkins9560
    @philiptomkins9560 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Manor House Library was the local history library for Lewisham when I was a kid in the early sixties. We’d cycle from Sydenham to pour over old maps and leather bound tomes so that we could learn about such things as the source of the Ravensbourne and the route of the various rills and waterways which fascinated us so (and to this day) and these lovely films delight and remind me of a more innocent time. The days when sticklebacks and newts rather than supermarket trolleys were the inhabitants of those babbling brooks. The little bit of the countryside in my urban upbringing.

  • @AMcF54
    @AMcF54 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You are keeping the magic alive, John, by visiting these wonderful places.

  • @philparker
    @philparker 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Many thanks. Now living in Denmark, I grew up in the 50's and 60's in Granville Park and can remember the Quaggy when you could walk along when the water was not high. Was back in the UK last year - Blackheath and Greenwich Park (and Maryon Park of Blowup fame) are the same but Lewisham is totally unrecognizable - St Stephens church is still standing but the Odeon and Chiesmans have gone with the wind. But it's great with this and similar videos on TH-cam - almost like being there. As Tony Blackburn says, the sixties were the best decade ever.

  • @ralphgrizzell5516
    @ralphgrizzell5516 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I moved to Exeter a few years ago but I used to live in Lewisham. It was quite entertaining seeing manor house gardens and the cannons that me and my brother used to climb and play on. I remember my Dad telling me how they used to be used as bollards. I'm almost 17 now but that park unlocked many childhood nostalgia and memories so thank you. Good video.

  • @SELondonUSA
    @SELondonUSA ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A former South-East Londoner writes: "Luvverly!"
    I walked through Manor House Gardens (I think it was called Manor Park then) many times late at night, having missed the last bus from my girlfriend's house in Catford. No money left for a minicab to my parents' house in Blackheath. This was in the late 1960s. Married 50 years now.
    South-East London still strong in my memories.

    • @xxxxxxxx3476
      @xxxxxxxx3476 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Things change , memories remain the same .

  • @danieladams9950
    @danieladams9950 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    John makes magic out of the mundane.

  • @angiemac334
    @angiemac334 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lived on the ferrier estate back in the 90s and always remembered the quaggy the part off wiegal Road has been locked up for 20 years or over ,South London is beautiful too x

  • @schnauzpig
    @schnauzpig ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To clear up any potential confusion; close to where John got to, the Quaggy is joined by the Kid Brook (near Kidbrooke), however as John points out it remained called the Quaggy until it gets to Chislehurst where it is called the Kyd Brook spelt with a Y.

  • @nickcassettes
    @nickcassettes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a kid in Lewisham in the late 1960s, part of the Quaggy ran at the bottom of our garden. dad would say, "Go and play in the Quaggy." For so many decades I assumed he had made up the name. Good work John!

  • @jonathansmith9879
    @jonathansmith9879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video John. Born and raised in Lewisham but now living in the USA, i thoroughly enjoyed looking at my old haunts. Remembered the Quaggy quite well. Lived for a short while above a shop on Lewisham high street back in the mid 80's. It was a good time. Enjoyed your videos as always.

  • @john80c
    @john80c ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating video an ancient river still going despite all the developments. Best river name ever. Near us only two have names to compete with Quaggy these are Cacapon River and Opequon Creek.

  • @stevec00ps
    @stevec00ps ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to live right by Chislehurst station and never heard of the Quaggy River before! I didn't realise it was a relatively easy walk all the way from Lewisham to Chiselhurst too, shame I never did it. At least if you make it that far there are some great pubs there!

  • @grahamtanner559
    @grahamtanner559 ปีที่แล้ว

    Used to play in the river back in the 70s and 80s used to live behind the Dutch house pub.

  • @stevesmith3990
    @stevesmith3990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I grew up in the Eltham/Mottingham area and often played in the Quaggy near the Sidcup bypass.

  • @marty9011
    @marty9011 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's hard to believe that there are so many rivers running through London & here's another one with, I have to say, a fantastic name. A lovely walk in the dusk of a wet November
    afternoon.

  • @misswomble
    @misswomble ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love thd white deer painted on the wall drinking from the quaggy. I saw some old footage of Lewisham recently on Facebook with children in the 1970s paddling in it.

  • @jaaaa364
    @jaaaa364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sundays… best day of the week because we get a new John Rogers video!

    • @JohnRogersWalks
      @JohnRogersWalks  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Jack

    • @jaaaa364
      @jaaaa364 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      P.s will you be doing any more Q and As soon? I loved the one you did near the Olympic park last year I think it was

  • @CharlieDavis4EandC
    @CharlieDavis4EandC ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for making this video. I live locally and teach at a school where the Quaggy runs through the sports field so it was lovely to see you enjoying this key feature in the south east London landscape.

  • @wildcornerz
    @wildcornerz ปีที่แล้ว +4

    White stag at 55 sec is The Lewisham Natureman. Makes for some interesting reading when googled.

  • @harpocrate3811
    @harpocrate3811 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for doing this walk, some old memories coming back. Used to play in Manor Park as a kid and we used to wade in the Quaggy round to Manor house gardens. Dirty south used to be called The Rose of Lee and Kate Bush did some early gigs there in the 70's.

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Do you remember the aviaries in manor park? I used to cycle there with my sister when I was 8 and she was 6.

    • @harpocrate3811
      @harpocrate3811 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@highdownmartin yes, I was in Ennersdale primary at that time, but sadly by the end of the 80's it was empty.

    • @jameswilkinson2242
      @jameswilkinson2242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I went to Ennersdale school aswell 74 to 81 used to walk the river on my way home. There used to be an old French car specialist doing lots of Citroëns just by the bridge. Fun times. The school is open again now.

  • @pedanticsmith5613
    @pedanticsmith5613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I worked in Lewisham this summer there were shoals of fish, up to 20cm, knocking about in the Quaggy

  • @AndumaSportsVideos
    @AndumaSportsVideos ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Will you continue your walk along the quaggy into chislehurst and petts Wood? It turns into a green oasis amongst suburbia around there and the countryside it winds through is really beautiful.

    • @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066
      @BaronMichaelDeBlone1066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That sounds wonderful.

    • @tracik1277
      @tracik1277 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes please that would be great! Go to Scadbury Park 😊😊😊

  • @catrionamaciver4959
    @catrionamaciver4959 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was lovely to watch on a day where I’m in bed and not well, thank you 🤍

  • @lindat2009
    @lindat2009 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting. I make part of this walk every day as my garden backs onto the Quaggy, a most underated river. Have just cut down the greenery at the end of our communal car park so I can peep over and see the occasional duck

  • @CAPTAINSLOG666
    @CAPTAINSLOG666 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Quaggy Delta Blues Band probably played the Lewisham Tavern - only ever saw them in parks...Tony Ellis, Wolfie Witcher and the boys and girls. A shout out to the Cosmic Sausages, another Lewisham band of the '90s when I was there.

  • @TheElfishGene
    @TheElfishGene ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Couldn't help but keep thinking of the Morrissey lyric "Under slate grey Victorian sky..." Great walk as usual John. Sundays wouldn't be Sunday without you!

  • @29goodvibes
    @29goodvibes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    loved the video..tried to live in london for 2 yrs...north and south too.

  • @mickeyto5844
    @mickeyto5844 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lewisham! My old neck of the woods. Had some fond memories playing at Ravensbourne Park as a child... 🏞️

  • @Lucysmom26
    @Lucysmom26 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    South♥London♥Forever♥ (even though this wasn't my part of it, still lovely to watch - greetings from Montreal!)

  • @satjit1000
    @satjit1000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Used to go down this river on polystyrene packaging as a kid in the 70's. Proper adventure 🙂

    • @grahamtanner559
      @grahamtanner559 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me to used live behind the Dutch house pub good times

  • @humphreymctush
    @humphreymctush ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was a kid in the seventies we called ourselves the Quaggy Comandos.

  • @yeahchi3373
    @yeahchi3373 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dear John, I can confirm there are still some eels in the Quaggy, as the Quaggy River habitat survey was the topic of my dissertation. I saw some of them during my field survey and truly hope they live well in this amazing river!

    • @JohnRogersWalks
      @JohnRogersWalks  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brilliant that’s great news - thanks for sharing that

  • @user-dq7dt4yq2b
    @user-dq7dt4yq2b 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Missed the best bit in Sutcliffe Park where the 're-wilding' has removed football pitches and introduced a water meadow and swans.

  • @ElzevereBlock
    @ElzevereBlock ปีที่แล้ว

    I fell in The Quaggy in 1964 where it runs at the bottom of Alnwick Road in Lee S.E 12. My Aunt Nora Hunt and husband Bob (both Geordies) lived halfway up Alnwick Road and we visited on numerous occasions from Portsmouth. I cut myself before falling into the water as a 9 year old and an abscess developed of which I still have the scar on the back of my leg all these years later. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone outside of south London make reference to The Quaggy. I always thought I had misheard the name and never told anyone about falling in.

  • @richardahiggs6173
    @richardahiggs6173 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing I've been down that river as a kid on a make shift raft I lived at 114 Manor Park and the river was at the end of the garden as kids we use to play all day in the river the best time was when it had rained and it would fill up and flow really fast so much fun

  • @jmh9224
    @jmh9224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for a great bit of filming John. I lived in Leahurst road for 12 years - mid 80's to mid 90's. My house backed on to the Quaggy. I remember it flooding and our houses were saved by the park opposite which took all the extra water, it was a close thing. The water/river ? authority wanted to build bigger walls and concrete the bed of the river but a local campaign was started to open up some culverts, one through sutcliffe park I think to provide a natural area for the river to flood into. Cannot remember who came up with this plan but they deserve to be remembered and praised for their inspirational idea for river management.

  • @jenniferlevine5406
    @jenniferlevine5406 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love this urban trek! Thanks for showing us 'the south' and this beautiful gentle river.

  • @claredelamer7940
    @claredelamer7940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is fascinating. I was always a North London dweller, only brief stay in Barnes, but find ALL London's history SO wonderful.

  • @lerpack455
    @lerpack455 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Manor House was once a brilliant museum. A great video - thank you. l have enjoyed reading some of the comments. l was born is Lewisham hospital 1948 and lived in Ladywell until 1960 moving to Bromley for 17 years. Have re-visited a few times and how the sites have changed.

  • @janebaker966
    @janebaker966 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Lovely walk,even in the rain. I may not be the world's best map reader. I'm not. But tracks across heaths, fields,wooded areas etc,once you get just too far to go back never look like they do on the map dotted line. Even well waymarked tracks can create some confusion. I know there are apps now that are helpful. Still sometimes getting a little bit lost can be magical,as long as you can resolve the situation before it gets to the drenched in sweat, hyperventilating,panic stage.
    At least with urban walks there are coffee shops and bus stops!

  • @derikalboredoo
    @derikalboredoo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What an amazing story, i used to live in london in 2009, and i miss it so much, i wish you could do and video about highgate/muswell hill story. Greetings from Brazil!

    • @JohnRogersWalks
      @JohnRogersWalks  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hi Derik - here's a video I made about Highgate th-cam.com/video/0OHJNEiwFnY/w-d-xo.html

  • @Gallywomack
    @Gallywomack ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wonderful stuff as ever John. Particularly enjoyable for me - I was born in Lewisham and grew up in nearby Catford, so this was very much a tour of my home turf. I used to do a paper round as a teenager, delivering the bundles of newspapers to three local libraries, including Manor House Library. You were correct with your assessment of Hither Green, although that's only a relatively recent development - say in the last 25 years or so. There are a few roads in Lee bordering Hither Green that have the really posh houses in the general area.
    Of course I knew of the Quaggy growing up and loved the name, but I used to think any local river I encountered (Ravensbourne, Pool etc) was the Quaggy - didn't really have much of a grasp of the topography back then. I think I read somewhere the name is to do with the muddy nature of the river, but maybe that's too obvious an explanation. Anyway, I think you should come back and do a Quaggy part 2, as you will get to see some other lovely parks (Sutcliffe Park & Chinbrook Meadows a bit further on from where you stopped) and interesting areas. You may meet the river again in its Kyd Brook guise when you get round to sections 2 & 3 of the London Loop, in Hawkwood/Petts Wood. Anyhoo, enough 'meandering' from me - cheers!

  • @4thEyeVision
    @4thEyeVision ปีที่แล้ว +2

    South London what a lovely place Thanks John 🙂

  • @martinquin4901
    @martinquin4901 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a beautiful film! Brought back so many memories of childhood and teenage years in Lewisham and Ladywell Park, exploring the banks of the Ravensbourne and the Quaggy in the 70's. John, I would thoroughly recommend a visit to Ladywell Park, where they have redeveloped the banks and restored the river to its original path. Think the funding came from the EU.

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So glad we’re out the EU now and free to pump raw sewage back into the quaggy ravensbourne fleet etc. a real brexit benefit.
      Loved this vid, my childhood basically!!

    • @martinquin4901
      @martinquin4901 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@highdownmartin A true Brexit benefit! At long last we can destroy our beautiful rivers and parks without any interference from those meddling EU 'nazis'.

  • @Chasworth
    @Chasworth ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Catford rules🤘🏻

  • @amandajane8227
    @amandajane8227 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you John, it was fabulous to walk the Quaggy of my youth with you and see that is still runs quietly down to the Thames.

    • @SELondonUSA
      @SELondonUSA ปีที่แล้ว

      Beautifully put, Amanda Jane.

  • @dcikaruga
    @dcikaruga ปีที่แล้ว

    I caught stickleback's in the quaggy when I was a kid, around the Lee Green area.

  • @drwsterling
    @drwsterling ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great. The Quaggy was the nearest river to my secondary school and has always interested me. One of the best sections John did not get to is where it flows through Sutcliffe Park which was one of our favourite lockdown walks during covid, going to feed the ducks and swans.

  • @bowlingbuddie
    @bowlingbuddie ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lovely walk,seeing parts of the Quaggy I never ventured along, 50 years ago as a teenager we would walk in the Quaggy by the A20 at Mottingham and end up near Sutcliffe Park, your walk today brought back some very good memories.Thank You.

  • @dantheman8877
    @dantheman8877 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even has fish in the quaggy now. The stretch that runs thru ladywell park

  • @emilyrauwerdink3451
    @emilyrauwerdink3451 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍 The walk is the walk!

  • @rajnirvan3336
    @rajnirvan3336 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember played at Weigal Road Sports field for games at school.

  • @TimothyHalkowski
    @TimothyHalkowski ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great walk - good shout out to public libraries! "The walk is the walk" could go on a mug and/or shirts, hats.

  • @redfireflagsfirenative
    @redfireflagsfirenative ปีที่แล้ว

    Missing it down that way... my home town xoxo

  • @robdesouza_
    @robdesouza_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly the best channel on TH-cam!

  • @MrChristmas1970
    @MrChristmas1970 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    missed a treat talking about access to the river for kids in Manor park, there are at least 2 areas of 'beach' where kids can get in - especially on hot days and it's always a treat seeing them enjoy that bit of nature in the city. Perhaps wasn't so visible on a rainy day like you had but come back on a hot summer's day and you'll see it's very popular

  • @tilerman
    @tilerman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And i thought i knew every waterway in London. Was recently watching a Police fly on the wall documentary where a miscreant on trying to escape the chasing officers threw himself into the River Quaggy! And that's the first i heard of it and here just a few days later John has walked it and made a video. John, you are the man! Thoroughly enjoyable as usual.

  • @danielboulton98
    @danielboulton98 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gotta love the Quaggy, the section by Petts Wood through Hawkswood is glorious