Are Trolls (All Variants) Any Good in Patch 6.0.3? - Greenskins Unit Focus
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- Troll the world.
Anyway, we're covering the old Trolls, the new-ish River Trolls and Stone Trolls too, and combined armies of the latter can be very, very hard for opponents to overcome. Certainly players have to struggle! So let's look at details, and even if the tech tree is trolling us back, the scrap upgrades provide serious help.
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that 2:03 empire general attack animation was cool, I have 2k hours in this game and never saw that before lol
I don't remember seeing it either so I'm happy people have commented on it... maybe it's new!?
@@OffToBattle I doubt its new coz mid battle usually u dont pay much attention to an empire general on foot haha, but that was really cool!
Stone trolls have one debilitating debuff. They don't have their proper shnoz and ears. Thankfully there's a mod that fixes that.
Thanks for the mod mention, and that is true, their looks are very different, but boy do they pack a punch. With a maul.
Out of the three River trolls is definite the troll you want most of the time. 3 bubbles of that -MA effect (2 units of river trolls and a River troll hag) will definitely swing the tide of battle in your favor. Mixing in AP with your often AP deficient melee units also helps a lot.
Missile units are less of a problem if you bring some fast units of your own more capable of taking missile fire. River trolls pair up fairly well with spider riders, as the moderately armored (especially with all the upgrades available) and poison-dealing spider riders will be able to take more punishment and lock down archers while trolls have the weight to push their way into the melee and then deal the AP damage that spider riders lack.
Spider riders definitely work well with AP inflicting units.
They're pretty versatile. They can serve well in a manner similar to Kroxigors, being threaded through melee infantry, to give your front line some serious staying power and grind ability, while helping to protect their Leadership and let them soak up that regen, especially the River Troll thanks to the aura, but can also work as hammers to an anvil, or as roving sucker punches to whatever in a pinch. The basic principle of them breaking before they take any real damage, to regenerate off the bruises and come back in also makes them relatively micro-friendly, since they get themselves out of trouble most of the time.
Probably the most notable thing about them is their relatively low tier for what they are. They're rock solid anchors for low tier armies and emergency defenses, and are among the most oppressive such units in battered army cleanup fights
Also, while their tendency to get shot is mostly a drawback, I find they can occasionally be used as arrow magnets to prevent other things from being shot, and then they regen off the worst of it by the time another big job comes up.
All good insights. Roving sucker punches stands out too.
Great videos! I love this unit reviews!
Glad to hear it!
2:03 Holy sheet I've never seen that animation before :O
I don't recall it either, but very interesting, yes?
Love trolls. Its always hard not to immediately gravitate towards building a troll doomstack when I play a faction that has them. The fact that chevrons give them leadership makes them very appealing as every battle will alleviate their core weakness just a little bit more than the last.
Yeah, just as archers get more accurate, trolls get braver. Progression isn't just for roguelites!
I like the grouping of similar units, makes it easy to compare them
I like doing it when it feels natural, here it was going to be bad "not" to group them. Making the thumbnail was interesting.
Always appreciate seeing one of your well-informed unit reviews.
Literally and figuratively, I try, so thanks a lot.
These are excellent, cheap Hammers- typical of Greenskin units. All Trolls do great AP damage, they just need a distraction to focus the enemy on another target. Passive Regeneration is priceless since Greenskins have almost no sources of healing. It also largely counteracts Trolls' low leadership since they regenerate as they are running away. River Trolls are amazing, by basically giving all Greenskin units +6 to their Melee Defense. And given garbage Melee stats on most Greenskin units, this buff is very impactful. Plus, River Trolls have an extra 6 MD, which goes a long way to improve their longevity. And Stone Trolls are a straight up upgrade with higher Armor, 25% Missile and Spell Resistance, and 20 extra damage. Combining Stone Trolls and River Trolls is a great way to maximize the benefits of these units. Any skill that enhances leadership will be devastating when used on Trolls.
Agree with all of that but especially the last sentence. I really will have to do hero videos too so I go over Black Orc Big Bosses. Did they used to have Deadly Onslaught at Rank 1...!? Because they seem to now.
Trolls are definitely one of the highlights of a greenskins campaign. They're just fun to use IMO.
Fun is a very important metric!
The smart play from where I'm sitting, is to stack trolls inside of more chaff type units; if they're mixed in with say... orc boyz then you can get extra mass inside of the boys, extra thump and some ablative armor for the trolls from charges and/or ranged. The issue of course, is that if the units are targetted with artillery or magic they'll chew up both unit's simultaneously.
That's often how it's done and if you can get away with it, there's zero wrong with doing so. Whether you can is situational, like everything else in wargaming, but it still involves "a lot" of your combat situations.
Any army that doesn't have a mix of 3-4 units of trolls isn't a proper army! Keep them surrounded by boyz and that crappy leadership won't be an issue. I think I prefer the stone trolls for that excellent missile resistance (40% with gold chevrons!) and armor, but the debuff from river trolls is really nice too. Going 2 each gives the best of both worlds, and really helps you reinforce weak areas or overwhelm the enemy where you're winning.
The thing about lacking trolls I discovered in a Grimgor experiment campaign (I'll have to start a new one soon..) is lacking River Troll Hags, and that's BAD because you're less able to cheese replenishment now. So you want the capability.
Doing a greenskins campaign and azhag has the nemesis crown. These guy's are great to hide in the bushes while azhag smashes big things like steam tanks, artillery, maybe some of the more dangerous ranged units. Then when they are weakened or start to break sending in a few at a time is nice support as they shred when given the chance to actually get into combat against the right unit.
Ahzag might be a pretty good candidate for using that crown.. interesting approach. Softening things up is definitely great for trolls before they deliver the hammer.
@OffToBattle haven't played much twwh3 so first time with crown. Trolls are hard to balance with the nemesis crown replenishment debuff these lil buggers are basically recruitable anywhere so doesn't matter losing entire units they are little sponges for az :3
Edit: I meant to post this on your squig video I think youtube auto played and accidentally posted here 😅😅
River Trolls are a must against elite troops, their aura can make your frontline survive long enough for stone trolls or boar boys to bash into the enemies rear. River trolls + Black Orcs (sword and shield) is almost a dwarfy play...
Oooh, that's a combo I want to try soon.
Trolls are an amazing unit. One of the very few that can punch way above their weight. Even one unit of regular trolls will do wonders if you micro them well. I can't believe how cheap they are. One of the best units in the game.
As you said, there's a skill cap issue, or at least knowing how to blend them with trash that can't, by themselves, handle relatively low tier high armor units.
Yeah m facto isnto front / side charge them in alongside the Frontline so in worst case the trolls don't rout into the enemy line. With a few levels they really can start to flank reliably. Another big pro for regular trolls for greenskin veteran players is that you can now recruit them in 1 turn from the tier 2 building. I d even go as far to say that as grom to split the trolls in his starting army and give it to your second army since grom is great for infantry smashing on its own.
1 turn recruitment is a big consolation for being stuck with the "regular" version too..
@OffToBattle yeah I dunno when that changed but everyone just used stone trolls and back in the day you needed a tier 3 building to get regular trolls in 1 turn. Adding the bonus of getting the river troll hag recruitment on tier 2 as well this is a very compelling building to build somewhat Early. I mean sure the new spider rider building gives you the legendary hero so that's a thing to consider as well.
I see why trolls don't have more in the tech tree given those scrap upgrades.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they drop swamp trolls for free because of gorbads plans? Like the nasty skulkers and rouge idol.
I remember seeing river trolls mentioned in the patch notes in that context, yes.
@OffToBattle man even if you don't like gorbad we can all agree he gave us some free stuff.
trolls on vanilla are not bad but on the grimhammer mod they are a nightmare to face.
Cool to know.
Can you cover next Norsca, WoC and Nurgle trolls?
Hm, I didn't do bile trolls? Give that a search. You're right about the others, I was meaning to build up to them but Greenskins are a huge faction. I'll at least get something out about the DLC units like Mangler Squigs before it, but it's on my radar!
@ nice. Thanks 👍