Big respect for this speaker who regardless of a slight speech impediment stands up and gives a Ted Talk. Very courageous and an inspiration for others with the same condition.
You can download the text of my lecture by searching for my name (Paul Kerswill) on academia.edu. The written version is called "Starkey, Jamaican and the riots: just how wrong could he be? Reflections on London, language and blame".
Got here from Dr Geoff Lindsay's blog. Great choice of me to click on that link! Professor Kerswill* formulate things clearly and I really get a kick out of that, when someone can just detangle all my questions with a simple sentence or two. The statement of mr Starkey is new to me as a Swede not following UK et al closely, and it's just abhorrent. *is "Professor Kerswill" really the correct way to refer to him? It sounds weird. I am used to refer to everyone, including my professors, by first name, so if I did it wrong I'd love a correction 😙
@Scoinsoffaterocks Try googling "Multicultural London English Language Log" and that'll link you to a sound clip. Plus have a listen to Dizzee Rascal being interviewed and you'll get a flavour of it.
I think its black London English. I think he uses multicultural London English to sound politically correct. At school the white working class spoke cockney and the black boys spoke a little different. Some white and Asian did speak this "Multicultural London English" but for me it is a black accent / dialect; whether its African or Carribean.
+The God of Zeus I'm still in school. In my experience, the dialect doesn't see race. I have met whites, blacks, and Asians who speak it. I have also met whites, blacks, and Asians who don't. It's about where and who you grow up around that determines it
Young ReeZy That's correct. I've seen kids of all races speaking like that. My point being that the accent / vocabulary is predominantly of African-Caribbean origin in much the same way that Rock and Roll is of African American origin.
Paul Kerswill Like you say, most of the imported vocabulary seems to come from the Caribbean and a lot of it like “endz” is from London itself. If it can be proved that this slang has come from more areas other than London or the Caribbean then there would be more of a case for calling it multi-cultural English. I think you demonstrated pretty well why the Jamaican language seems to have superseded influences from other cultures. I would also add that while they may not consider their language strictly English, Jamaicans can still use a lot of their language and be understood whereas it would be much harder for a child of Polish, Pakistani or Yoruba origin to import their local slang into the “Multi-cultural English.” One could call it black London English based on the origins of the dialect, even though many non-black people use it and many black people do not and indeed the dialect itself has traveled to areas across the UK such as Birmingham or Manchester - so there’s a lot of nuance and no definite answers and hence it's easy to argue that it’s redundant to call it “black” and “London.”
It's a pity the poor professor is so nervous and took a long time to find his ease. Why couldn't he have been given a traditional lectern and standing microphone? (something the organisers may want to consider for the future when speakers read their presentations from paper) As for the content, interesting observations but English is a mongrel language already and the "purity" of local dialect has been diminishing for at least 100 years due to ease of population movement
9.24 "[the] accent Starkey is talking about is specific to London." ERR! THAT IS NOT AN ENGLISH ACCENT AND STARKEY’S REMARKS ARE CORRECT. “Two, that accent is … uniquely ENGLISH.” THE ENGLISH POPULATION HAS LARGELY BEEN REPLACED ERGO THAT ACCENT WOULD NOT BE THERE OTHERWISE AND STARKEY’S REMARKS ARE CORRECT..
chill bro I think your caps key might be stuck on. You might want to fix that because its making you sound like a raving lunatic who has no idea what he's on about.
Big respect for this speaker who regardless of a slight speech impediment stands up and gives a Ted Talk. Very courageous and an inspiration for others with the same condition.
Great talk Paul, really fascinating! This has been really helpful with writing my essays.
You can download the text of my lecture by searching for my name (Paul Kerswill) on academia.edu. The written version is called "Starkey, Jamaican and the riots: just how wrong could he be? Reflections on London, language and blame".
Paul how long would it be for you to be “un-personed” (term from Orwell) if you were to say that this was not positive?
Very much enjoyed a talk by Paul last night, tracking the reification of Jafaican since 2006. Hope to see you at another YSJ gig, Paul!
Paul, this is beautiful.
Great linguist and teacher (I say that as a former student).
Yeah I understand why he got ot do a ted talk!
That was an interesting presentation, thanks:)
I am American and I would actually like to hear samples of these 3 dialects/accents.
interesting talk...i'm surprised that more linguists haven't considered MLE in research
Got here from Dr Geoff Lindsay's blog. Great choice of me to click on that link! Professor Kerswill* formulate things clearly and I really get a kick out of that, when someone can just detangle all my questions with a simple sentence or two.
The statement of mr Starkey is new to me as a Swede not following UK et al closely, and it's just abhorrent.
*is "Professor Kerswill" really the correct way to refer to him? It sounds weird. I am used to refer to everyone, including my professors, by first name, so if I did it wrong I'd love a correction 😙
Ends is Jamaican slang that sprang up from the dancehall culture.
Highly valuable keynote ruined by a poor mic / audio gain structure. Real shame really.
Yes, I tried to get them to fix that. To no avail.
@Scoinsoffaterocks Try googling "Multicultural London English Language Log" and that'll link you to a sound clip. Plus have a listen to Dizzee Rascal being interviewed and you'll get a flavour of it.
I think its black London English. I think he uses multicultural London English to sound politically correct. At school the white working class spoke cockney and the black boys spoke a little different. Some white and Asian did speak this "Multicultural London English" but for me it is a black accent / dialect; whether its African or Carribean.
+The God of Zeus I'm still in school. In my experience, the dialect doesn't see race. I have met whites, blacks, and Asians who speak it. I have also met whites, blacks, and Asians who don't. It's about where and who you grow up around that determines it
Young ReeZy That's correct. I've seen kids of all races speaking like that. My point being that the accent / vocabulary is predominantly of African-Caribbean origin in much the same way that Rock and Roll is of African American origin.
+The God of Zeus Agreed! What do you call this way of speaking?
Paul Kerswill Like you say, most of the imported vocabulary seems to come from the Caribbean and a lot of it like “endz” is from London itself. If it can be proved that this slang has come from more areas other than London or the Caribbean then there would be more of a case for calling it multi-cultural English. I think you demonstrated pretty well why the Jamaican language seems to have superseded influences from other cultures. I would also add that while they may not consider their language strictly English, Jamaicans can still use a lot of their language and be understood whereas it would be much harder for a child of Polish, Pakistani or Yoruba origin to import their local slang into the “Multi-cultural English.” One could call it black London English based on the origins of the dialect, even though many non-black people use it and many black people do not and indeed the dialect itself has traveled to areas across the UK such as Birmingham or Manchester - so there’s a lot of nuance and no definite answers and hence it's easy to argue that it’s redundant to call it “black” and “London.”
This is good, but the speaker seems kinda nervous.
I SHIDDED AND CAME
Standard English is also known as Estuary English.
Wakanda English
He just has a stutter. That's all.
what is the EXACT percentage of the amount of blacks in the UK?
3% as of 2011.
turnbacktime In Newham (East London) it will be 40%
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It's a pity the poor professor is so nervous and took a long time to find his ease. Why couldn't he have been given a traditional lectern and standing microphone? (something the organisers may want to consider for the future when speakers read their presentations from paper)
As for the content, interesting observations but English is a mongrel language already and the "purity" of local dialect has been diminishing for at least 100 years due to ease of population movement
People should be taught to speak STANDARD ENGLISH, it does not matter if you have an accent, as long as people can UNDERSTAND YOU.
It's that simple.
This brudda needs to speak with chest, bare stuttering kmt 🤣🤣
This is hilariuos
Sowwy. HilaaarioUs.
9.24
"[the] accent Starkey is talking about is specific to London."
ERR! THAT IS NOT AN ENGLISH ACCENT AND STARKEY’S REMARKS ARE CORRECT.
“Two, that accent is … uniquely ENGLISH.”
THE ENGLISH POPULATION HAS LARGELY BEEN REPLACED ERGO THAT ACCENT WOULD NOT BE THERE OTHERWISE AND STARKEY’S REMARKS ARE CORRECT..
chill bro I think your caps key might be stuck on. You might want to fix that because its making you sound like a raving lunatic who has no idea what he's on about.
wow you must love supporting racism then
Because all Jews are the same ?
Gotcha ! :Vicky Pollard: