good video, i wonder which to buy, the YT izzo core 4 or the canyon neuron CF 9 SL.... both are good value, but both seem to have their pro's and con's.....
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Sounds like you have Canyon envy. This condition is easily treated by purchasing and riding a Canyon. Not only will you be cured of your condition but have a blast out on the trails. There’s not a better designed, built and spec’d bike for the money in the market. There’s a reason Canyon is positively featured across multiple reviews. Don’t fight it. Give in and drink the Canyon Kool Aid.
I am thinking about buying the Neuron FC 9 SL (2020) used or the new Neuron CF 8. The used bike market is looking good especial after corona, but so is this new version of the Neuron. Any recommendations?
I would go with the newest one, especially for that universal hanger, considering the latest drivetrain mech attaches straight to the frame when they are udh compatible.
Yes it is, but once you start it becomes an addiction (you mentioned it), I know that feeling of "I'm just starting, I don't need a 3000 or $4000$ dolars bike" but I recommend you go for the best one you can buy, at the end you will spend more on "upgrades" :)
Yes, I still have my original Cannondale aluminum. They last forever if taken care of. Since then i have also collected 2 carbon bikes that I usually ride. The aluminum is my guest bike for new riders now....
@@lennart8996 I'd start with aluminum, they can take a beating and as a beginner you won't really notice the weight difference versus carbon....you will notice the price difference. :)
@@bikeradar Agree, I bought 2022 version and It's awesome how well it handles everything in a great ballance. Not the greatest uphill, not the fastest downhill, not the bst in technical parts, but everything done acceptable well for everyday rides. From my point of view, one of the best ballanced bikes for everyday adventures as Canyon say :) Only what I think about is how big difference is between 67 and 66 HTA.
@@David_Palka Also have the 2021 version, bought on impulse. Accidentally it was the perfect choice for me, for all the reasons you are giving. Last year a rode a Lux Trail for a day on holiday and so, so happy I didn't go for that, such a nervous ride in comparison. If you just want a fun bike that can do everything decently and has good value for money, Neuron is a perfect candidate.
Definitely one for the shredders, so if you want to be a loon on a short travel bike, it's awesome fun! For a long back country epic, we'd take the Neuron. Both are sick bikes though!
@@bikeradar hello, What if I want to take long back country rides and then go hit our local jumpy trails? I cannot decide if neuron or spectral 125. Is 125 better in long rides than neuron in jumping and shreding?...
If you dont live in enduro country, then take a long look at the Neuron as it will fit riding anywhere outside the mountains. If you are between sizes even better. Id suggest upsizing on the Neuron. The increased wheelbase, stack height and reach will all make it a little more capable/stable than the size medium. Think of it as a bit of a Neuro-ectral. If it turns out to be a bit big in the reach department there should still be enough room to slip the seat forward a bit and shorten the stem, cut the bars down 10-20mm and/or roll the bars a little to dial in your fit. Really at most you would be making up for no more than 20mm between the medium and large in the cockpit.
I am also in between a M and L. I am 71"/180.3cm tall/ 33"/83.8cm instep. What did you decide to do and did you make the right decision? I am looking at the Neuron specifically.
@@josephwiemken4079 Looking at the geo charts, I'd go for an L. Especially if you have long arms like me. Being a FS bike, the reach will actually shorten when you sit on it or when the suspension is sagged. I am no expert though, just my opinion.
@@josephwiemken4079 I'm seconding what I just said. I've tested one out. Neuron L for 180cm and long arms is fine, maybe even a little cramped. So for normal arm length it would be perfect. M is waaayyy too small.
It's not, slack geometry is just a thing, not everyone wants a slack bike...I bought the 2022 beccause I was afraid that they were going to build this slack version like every other brand does. If you ride a lot of bike Parks and Light Enduro it will be perfect but if you ride mostly trails and cross country like me I will it take the 2022 every day
Agree with previous rider, if you don't ride a lot of enduro stuff...the 2022 model is the Choice for you...that's why I bought the 2022 and also on s great sale
@@TucsonDude I just sold an enduro bike, so I am currently sitting at 3, but that will only last a month or so. They need friends to talk with in the garage! LOL!
Why is the Neuron so heavy compared to the lux world cup and lux trail ? I was doubting between these three but found the Neuron very heavy for the price.
You don't feel the extra weight. If you want a less capable lighter bike with more race style go for the Lux trail but I switched to the neuron because of its higher comfort and more room for variety.
You do feel the extra weight. I need to point this out, as I'm seeing everyone praising the Neuron and presenting it as an "XC"-type of bike. It's not. The Lux is extremely efficient, Neuron seems sluggish by comparison. So it depends whether you're after comfort or efficiency on the climbs. Also the DPS shock, on the bike I tested (and returned) did not offer a firm lockout, as other bikes do. To answer the weight question: it's a combination of factors, but few of them are: heavier wheels (although they're carbon), alloy bars, probably a heavier frame, tires etc.
Great looking bike. The film shows the main and probably the only strong point of this model, i.e. the super look. The advantages also include the Fox front shock absorber and frame design. After a few months of use and still appearing defects and the need to service the bike, I find that this is not a bike worth such a price. In addition, the weight of 15 kg makes it a bike not very comfortable both in everyday use and during challenges in the field. It seems wiser to choose a better model and enjoy reliable and good equipment
IMHO the colours and design used by canyon are mostly bad - looks like a throw-back to the 80s. I love e.g. the sleek and clean design of the Cube MTBs.
Why is this any more versatile than any other mtb with wheels and pedals? I can and do ride my 160/155mm Orange Alpine Evo literally anywhere. Big days out in the Peaks, bike park days, local trail laps, even riding to school with my boys. I don't need a different bike for every single eventuality. It has a seat angle and some geometry. It's also got paint and wheels. It goes along, up and down anything I point it at. I'll give you five minutes before you're telling us the Neuron is outdated and could do with being longer lower and slacker.
There's certainly slacker bikes out there in this category and the Neuron feels pretty lively in comparison. Both the 2023 and 2022 bikes are solid choices 👊
When will the manufacturers finally come to their senses and ban 29er wheels! Using 29ers was the stupidest thing that has ever been installed on a mountain bike!
I found 29er wheels as best. I had 26er for years and I never go back after try 29. 29er can go through any terain much better than smaller wheels and little more weight isn't important compere with advantages.
I'm getting this bike for next season. Good review..
Can i use this mtb as a cross country? Looks good though.
good video, i wonder which to buy, the YT izzo core 4 or the canyon neuron CF 9 SL.... both are good value, but both seem to have their pro's and con's.....
Got an Izzo and a 2022 Neuron and the Izzo is a bit more playful, yet if I would be in the market for a new bike today, the Neuron 9 SL would win.
@@maartenholkers3084 what do you like more about the neuron?? Ive been looking at both and am not sure
Do you get sent the script by canyon? Or do you just read off their website? Can you link the last bike review that you gave a bad review to?
You ain't getting bikes if you want to do hard hitting jouranlism.
@winstan we independently review the bikes and write the scripts and thoughts ourselves.
Here's an example of a bad review we recently featured:
www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/superstrata-classic-review/
The fact is, most bikes nowadays are actually very good, with only small quibbles that separate the best from the rest. We think that's awesome for consumers, because you'd have to go out of your way to buy a truly bad bike!
Sounds like you have Canyon envy. This condition is easily treated by purchasing and riding a Canyon. Not only will you be cured of your condition but have a blast out on the trails. There’s not a better designed, built and spec’d bike for the money in the market. There’s a reason Canyon is positively featured across multiple reviews. Don’t fight it. Give in and drink the Canyon Kool Aid.
LOL...yeah a lot of the bike radar stuff is way too scripted.
One of the best bike reviews in my opinion.
Some bike characteristics can be good or bad, depending on the user.
I am thinking about buying the Neuron FC 9 SL (2020) used or the new Neuron CF 8. The used bike market is looking good especial after corona, but so is this new version of the Neuron. Any recommendations?
I would go with the newest one, especially for that universal hanger, considering the latest drivetrain mech attaches straight to the frame when they are udh compatible.
Neuron CF9s are on sale, now.
Code RSC on a trail bike... pretty much tells you the confidence companies have in Sram's guide and level brakes 😂
Still no insulated rotor like Shimano's ICE-tech, tho.
Why do some manufacturers put the rear caliper on the Seatstay instead of the chainstay?
Tell me, height 170cm inseam 78cm size M will be large? Canyon website recommends S but he often underestimates sizes.
What storage bag it that on the down tube? Trying to find one for my neuron for that exact location and cant!
It's canyons own storage bag, found on their website. It's listed as a spectral framebag though.
Is this (alloy version) a good beginners bike?
I've tried mountainbiking on my last vacation and got addicted :D
Yes it is, but once you start it becomes an addiction (you mentioned it), I know that feeling of "I'm just starting, I don't need a 3000 or $4000$ dolars bike" but I recommend you go for the best one you can buy, at the end you will spend more on "upgrades" :)
Yes, I still have my original Cannondale aluminum. They last forever if taken care of. Since then i have also collected 2 carbon bikes that I usually ride. The aluminum is my guest bike for new riders now....
@@monarch3020 thanks for sharing
@@lennart8996 I'd start with aluminum, they can take a beating and as a beginner you won't really notice the weight difference versus carbon....you will notice the price difference. :)
looks amazing... i have the 2021 e version and is great :)
Awesome, glad you enjoy it!
@@bikeradar Agree, I bought 2022 version and It's awesome how well it handles everything in a great ballance. Not the greatest uphill, not the fastest downhill, not the bst in technical parts, but everything done acceptable well for everyday rides. From my point of view, one of the best ballanced bikes for everyday adventures as Canyon say :) Only what I think about is how big difference is between 67 and 66 HTA.
@@David_Palka Also have the 2021 version, bought on impulse. Accidentally it was the perfect choice for me, for all the reasons you are giving. Last year a rode a Lux Trail for a day on holiday and so, so happy I didn't go for that, such a nervous ride in comparison. If you just want a fun bike that can do everything decently and has good value for money, Neuron is a perfect candidate.
@@tr4nnel752 Thanks, I bought one and I'm impressed. As you say, for average ""afterwork" trail adventurter, it's perfect :)
Spectral 125 - for sure
Definitely one for the shredders, so if you want to be a loon on a short travel bike, it's awesome fun! For a long back country epic, we'd take the Neuron. Both are sick bikes though!
@@bikeradar hello, What if I want to take long back country rides and then go hit our local jumpy trails? I cannot decide if neuron or spectral 125. Is 125 better in long rides than neuron in jumping and shreding?...
What size would you recommend if I'm between M and L? When choosing a bike, I hesitated a lot between the Neuron 2023 and the Spectral...
If you dont live in enduro country, then take a long look at the Neuron as it will fit riding anywhere outside the mountains. If you are between sizes even better. Id suggest upsizing on the Neuron. The increased wheelbase, stack height and reach will all make it a little more capable/stable than the size medium. Think of it as a bit of a Neuro-ectral. If it turns out to be a bit big in the reach department there should still be enough room to slip the seat forward a bit and shorten the stem, cut the bars down 10-20mm and/or roll the bars a little to dial in your fit. Really at most you would be making up for no more than 20mm between the medium and large in the cockpit.
I am also in between a M and L. I am 71"/180.3cm tall/ 33"/83.8cm instep. What did you decide to do and did you make the right decision? I am looking at the Neuron specifically.
@@josephwiemken4079 Looking at the geo charts, I'd go for an L. Especially if you have long arms like me. Being a FS bike, the reach will actually shorten when you sit on it or when the suspension is sagged. I am no expert though, just my opinion.
@@josephwiemken4079 I'm seconding what I just said. I've tested one out. Neuron L for 180cm and long arms is fine, maybe even a little cramped. So for normal arm length it would be perfect. M is waaayyy too small.
l got a Neuron then after 4 years looks like new - l changed the tires only . To me, Canyon means a lot.
Good and factual review, and thanks for skipping the annoying music
Nice Neuron update but still prefer the Spectral 125...
do you have the carbon version?
Why? I wonder what to choose between the two
I wonder if this bike, with 26' whells inside would be fun to jumm some dirt jumps.
What is the fender you got on your fork please?
It's a Mudhugger Shorty EVO Zip Tie with Velcro straps
I love my 2022 Neuron but now I feel like it's geometry is outdated
Geometry changes all the time. If you are not very downhill focused than the 2022 geometry is even better.
It's not, slack geometry is just a thing, not everyone wants a slack bike...I bought the 2022 beccause I was afraid that they were going to build this slack version like every other brand does. If you ride a lot of bike Parks and Light Enduro it will be perfect but if you ride mostly trails and cross country like me I will it take the 2022 every day
Agree with previous rider, if you don't ride a lot of enduro stuff...the 2022 model is the Choice for you...that's why I bought the 2022 and also on s great sale
@Robert Barton, it's still a great bike! The best bike in the world is the one you can ride 🤘
What does N+1 mean?
It's kind of a tech slang for always more.
N+1 is a formula describing the correct number of bikes to own, wherein "N" represents the number of bikes you currently own.
@@timmcdermott815 I'm down to FOUR; how about you?
@@TucsonDude I just sold an enduro bike, so I am currently sitting at 3, but that will only last a month or so. They need friends to talk with in the garage! LOL!
@@timmcdermott815 You need at LEAST four bikes to be considered a hoarder. So...get crackin'!
Basically the same geo as the 2020 YT izzo.😅
But even cheaper
Not a bad bike to be similar too on paper!
Much better company. The last gen geo was 2016
They changed the title (it was "Miles > Smiles") 🤣🤣
We need to stop calling things trail bikes. Calling the spectral and neuron trail bikes is just stupid. Let's make some more terms
This is basically a canyon ad
Why is the Neuron so heavy compared to the lux world cup and lux trail ? I was doubting between these three but found the Neuron very heavy for the price.
You don't feel the extra weight. If you want a less capable lighter bike with more race style go for the Lux trail but I switched to the neuron because of its higher comfort and more room for variety.
You do feel the extra weight. I need to point this out, as I'm seeing everyone praising the Neuron and presenting it as an "XC"-type of bike. It's not. The Lux is extremely efficient, Neuron seems sluggish by comparison. So it depends whether you're after comfort or efficiency on the climbs. Also the DPS shock, on the bike I tested (and returned) did not offer a firm lockout, as other bikes do.
To answer the weight question: it's a combination of factors, but few of them are: heavier wheels (although they're carbon), alloy bars, probably a heavier frame, tires etc.
Great looking bike.
The film shows the main and probably the only strong point of this model, i.e. the super look.
The advantages also include the Fox front shock absorber and frame design.
After a few months of use and still appearing defects and the need to service the bike, I find that this is not a bike worth such a price.
In addition, the weight of 15 kg makes it a bike not very comfortable both in everyday use and during challenges in the field.
It seems wiser to choose a better model and enjoy reliable and good equipment
I don't know why but I don't like it. Maybe it is too casual
IMHO the colours and design used by canyon are mostly bad - looks like a throw-back to the 80s. I love e.g. the sleek and clean design of the Cube MTBs.
Why is this any more versatile than any other mtb with wheels and pedals? I can and do ride my 160/155mm Orange Alpine Evo literally anywhere. Big days out in the Peaks, bike park days, local trail laps, even riding to school with my boys. I don't need a different bike for every single eventuality. It has a seat angle and some geometry. It's also got paint and wheels. It goes along, up and down anything I point it at. I'll give you five minutes before you're telling us the Neuron is outdated and could do with being longer lower and slacker.
Not so good as Norco Optic
Different kind of bike, despite the similar travel, the Optic is definitely closer to the Spectral 125 than the Neuron
they need to get away from that gross green color.
Canyon has to many bikes in their portfolio.
Now their bike is like everyone else with slack geometry, boring. Glad i got their bike 2022
66 HTA isn't exactly slack...
That's pretty much the definition of an average trail bike.
There's certainly slacker bikes out there in this category and the Neuron feels pretty lively in comparison. Both the 2023 and 2022 bikes are solid choices 👊
@@nebnollock5198 Lol exactly. That guy must ride a 2012 Giant
Funny how bike fads come and go.
When will the manufacturers finally come to their senses and ban 29er wheels! Using 29ers was the stupidest thing that has ever been installed on a mountain bike!
And what about disk brakes. They are so stupid......😜
I found 29er wheels as best. I had 26er for years and I never go back after try 29. 29er can go through any terain much better than smaller wheels and little more weight isn't important compere with advantages.
The 29er argument was going around 14 years ago. Its been pretty much settled. Where have you been?