Friendly reminder that most website and the Oscars have a subgenre of movie called "animation" which means as much as having a genre called "fish eye lens camera". According to the logic of this category, movies like: Kung Fu Panda (action comedy). Coraline (thriller horror). The Sleeping beauty (romance adventure). Ghost in the shell (drama SF) Are all in the same category and subgenre. All of these drastically different movies are all under the same category according to academics. Fuck them.
Or maybe make a broader Live Action Category and a Live Action Hybrid Category and also consider animation a broader category instead of whatever the fuck you just said.
@@danialtarki572 You don't seem to understand so let me make it easier for you. Animation isn't a genre or a category and shouldn't be designated as either. It's a cinematographic technic that allow to give the impression of movement using a series of fix images. That's it. That's not a genre that's a technic just like "filming with a camera" is a technic. That's why putting an animated movie under the genre "animation" make as much sense as "black and white" or "stop motion". It doesn't tell you anything about the genre of the movie. Only how it was filmed. Like I said earlier, animated movies can correspond to any genre just like live action movies (action, horror, fantasy etc...) so reducing them to the label "animation" is downright insulting.
While I respect animation and the stories it can tell, I can't agree with this comment. You've just listed sub-genres that aren't used in live-action awards either. For instance, Dune and King Richard were both nominated for best picture, yet I don't have to tell you that those are drastically different movies as well. We don't have a category for best action comedy, best horror etc. because the academy awards are more representative of the work that goes into the movies itself rather than its genre. So I'm not entirely sure what the point you're trying to make is?
i feel like people genuinely just cant grasp that vfx is an art form in of itself. i think ppl just think you press the "make things look nice" button and it happens
@@nguyenvanquang876 Marvel CGI animators after being forced to create twerking she hulk or else the CGI team would have their families brutally crushed by a moving train
@@hobomike6935 Only inferior bakers do that, everyone knows REAL bakers just use their heat vision to bake the stuff! Also, second one is implying that the oven does all the WORK in baking, not that it does the BAKING in baking
The simple fact that they have an "animation" category already makes that impossible. By simply having that category, they are lumping together movies with completely different genres, themes, and tones as being essentialy similar.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I ‘love’ how the reason they created the animation category in the first place is because Beauty and the Beast was a nominee for Best Picture and they decided they didn’t want an animated film to win that category
AND a single screw up (missed an in-between frame, forgot to color a piece) is _very_ noticeable in some cases and we have to make sure that doesn’t happen
Animation has got to be my favorite medium of story-telling. There’s so many different categories, so many ways to stylize it, so many ways to tell a unique and captivating tale that only works in its full potential THROUGH animation. Movies like Coraline, Grave of the Fireflies, Wolfwalkers, Spiderverse- all they have in common is that they were told through animation, and each one tells a vastly different tale, with passion undeniably dripping from each scene. Animation deserves more respect. It may have shaped your childhood, but that does not mean it is limited to a child audience.
Hey! Amateur animator here! Thanks for standing up with us! I know quite a number of animators here that are genuinely loving their work, but the pay isn’t worth their dime. I just want to say that and we also stand up with the VFX artists in Disney who are being worked to death too! Those live-action movies were made for corporate greed alone, not the respect of the medium of both live action film and animation.
Bojack Horseman is my absolute favourite piece of fiction of a time which is an animated show about a former actor who also happens to be a depressed horse who inflicts substance abuse upon himself and steals the D in Hollywood. Sometimes wacky things can connect way more than realism can, even if that his it's own place.
Cartoon Saloon at the oscars looking at another pixar factory product get another oscar over their film which took 20 years and the sacrifice of a firstborn
As someone who does animation for a hobby, I can confirm that no one treats the medium like an actual form of art to be enjoyed by everyone- adults especially. I’ve grown tired of Netflix laying off an entire animation team and cancelling critically-acclaimed or long-awaited animated series because of these layoffs, instead favoring live action and animated series with very little value to anyone above the age of 18 months. Movies like Spirit, Road to El Dorado, and The Princess and the Frog were staples of my childhood, and I’ve always loved them as movies. Klaus is one of my favorite recent 2D movies because it shows an actual love and respect for the media…and then I never see anyone mention it just about ever. Nobody is wanting animation to die except the big companies, and it is painful to watch.
0:07 Don't worry I've got your back. 0:13 as someone who does Stop motion and sometimes does cgi animations it sure feels like the computer does all the work for you.
The only stop motions i know are these:- Fantastic Mr Fox, Coraline, Corpse Bride, Frankenweenie, The little prince, Kubo and the two strings, The Boxtrolls, Paranorman, Isle of dogs, Wallace and Gromit, James and the giant peach, The nightmare before Christmas do you have any recommendations :]
Most expensive West Asian animation: either an AI-generated 3-minute commercial for milk or a clickbait animation featuring Elsa and Spider-Man doing some questionable stuff
I used to do a research on animated movies for my post graduation damn it was hard. and I felt a huge respect for animators after watching countless animated movies with different animation techniques. my favorite is stop motion animation cuz for some reason it feels familiar 🤔
as a animator and also a 3d and a sound des- but this is very accurate, i spent days trying to fix simulations and stuff, sound design it's uhh audacity sucks
Reminds me of the Oscars and 'Loving Vincent'... Also about some older movies like 'Invention for Destruction', which include a lot of animated elements.
Yo. Mad God is a really good stop motion movie that came out like a year ago. It's the magnum opus of Phil Tippet; the creator of those stop motion parts in Star Wars and Jurassic Park.
Animation memers trying to actually animate a meme or animate something memey instead of something cringy (rarely does that happen, that wario falls of the stairs while playing candy crush animation WAS an animation meme):
No, ok, here’s the thing, people will just have to accept that 3D remakes of old 2D movies will pretty much always be bad, and just, not watch them. Not even to see that they are bad, I’m tired of “I watched pinokion king 3D so you don’t have to.” Review channel videos, you didn’t have to tell me it’d be bad in order for me to know it’d be bad. And frankly, I never had to watch pinokion king and the beast 3D. I get that the most of these movies are riding on nostalgia that the original audience of the 2D movies have, and names sell movies, but come on, these movies get enough publicity as is.
3d animation is in large part done by a computer but a computer cannot read a script and animate it, there are still character designs and rigs, and backgrounds, and when youre doing a big movie you also have to design what the computer does, because you constantly need new physics and effects
Stop motion fans are eating good this fall and winter. They're getting Wendell and Wild in late October and then Guillermo Del Toros Pinocchio in December
0:13 the problem with cgi isn't that the animators are lazy, its that the directors who use it as a solution for everything are lazy. I'll always have more respect for directors who come up with new and inventive solutions for scenes rather than just shipping it to another country to get it animated in a sweatshop.
never liked the stop motion style (it just feels off), but i have nothing but respect for the people who work on it. though i'm sure they just use dark arts like that one guy.
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Friendly reminder that most website and the Oscars have a subgenre of movie called "animation" which means as much as having a genre called "fish eye lens camera".
According to the logic of this category, movies like:
Kung Fu Panda (action comedy).
Coraline (thriller horror).
The Sleeping beauty (romance adventure).
Ghost in the shell (drama SF)
Are all in the same category and subgenre. All of these drastically different movies are all under the same category according to academics.
Fuck them.
You speak so much truth, I’m pinning your comment
Or maybe make a broader Live Action Category and a Live Action Hybrid Category and also consider animation a broader category instead of whatever the fuck you just said.
@@danialtarki572 You don't seem to understand so let me make it easier for you.
Animation isn't a genre or a category and shouldn't be designated as either. It's a cinematographic technic that allow to give the impression of movement using a series of fix images. That's it. That's not a genre that's a technic just like "filming with a camera" is a technic.
That's why putting an animated movie under the genre "animation" make as much sense as "black and white" or "stop motion". It doesn't tell you anything about the genre of the movie. Only how it was filmed. Like I said earlier, animated movies can correspond to any genre just like live action movies (action, horror, fantasy etc...) so reducing them to the label "animation" is downright insulting.
They have disdain for such great art, because it all hides their faces.
While I respect animation and the stories it can tell, I can't agree with this comment. You've just listed sub-genres that aren't used in live-action awards either. For instance, Dune and King Richard were both nominated for best picture, yet I don't have to tell you that those are drastically different movies as well. We don't have a category for best action comedy, best horror etc. because the academy awards are more representative of the work that goes into the movies itself rather than its genre. So I'm not entirely sure what the point you're trying to make is?
People who disrespect animation often don't realize that most action movies nowadays are like 50% CGI and therefore contain a whole lot of animation.
Older action films also had a ton of animation, especially sci-fi or anything with magic effects.
i feel like people genuinely just cant grasp that vfx is an art form in of itself. i think ppl just think you press the "make things look nice" button and it happens
@@BonaparteBardithion Like stop-motion in Terminator and Robocop
Anime animators after their boss finally lets them have a single day off (they haven’t seen their family in over 4 years):
Marvel CGI animators be like
@@nguyenvanquang876 Marvel CGI animators after being forced to create twerking she hulk or else the CGI team would have their families brutally crushed by a moving train
@@nguyenvanquang876 damn, who knew both countries shared similair work-horses.
Marvel rn:
anime animators when there boss lets them go outside for two minutes (no sunlight for the past century)
"The computer does all the work for CGI animation"
"The oven does all the work in baking"
The second one is true though.
You only _prepare_ the food; the oven does all the actual baking for you.
@@hobomike6935 Only inferior bakers do that, everyone knows REAL bakers just use their heat vision to bake the stuff!
Also, second one is implying that the oven does all the WORK in baking, not that it does the BAKING in baking
@@poggestfrog mmmm.... kryptonian cupcakes....
@@hobomike6935 😋😋😋
Yo, that's a nice analogy
Oscars trying not to belittle one of the best modern art form challenge (99.9% impossible)
The simple fact that they have an "animation" category already makes that impossible. By simply having that category, they are lumping together movies with completely different genres, themes, and tones as being essentialy similar.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I ‘love’ how the reason they created the animation category in the first place is because Beauty and the Beast was a nominee for Best Picture and they decided they didn’t want an animated film to win that category
Better get a camera filmed category too and scrap all genres 🧠
This doesn’t even feel like slander it feels like respect to animators, their job is so hard and time consuming
Animation is one of the few true topics that don’t deserve slander
AND a single screw up (missed an in-between frame, forgot to color a piece) is _very_ noticeable in some cases and we have to make sure that doesn’t happen
What gives people feelings of power:
🟩🟩money
🟧🟧🟧Status
🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥Being an animator and reading this reply thred
As someone who is practicing to be an animator, I agree to this. I use Flipaclip to start off and I found out that I am pretty bad at lipsyncing
@@thenyan3095 ADD MORE RED SQUARES. Animation is an important medium and should be respected more!
Adult animation workers after being forced to make someone fart 20 kg worth of food because it's supposedly funny
Marmaduke?
@@razzberytman That's advertised as a family movie, but the same applies here, unfortunately.
@@razzberytman We don’t speak of the animated Marmaduke…
@@witherking6651 no, no we don't.
@@witherking6651 Certainly not, never will.
I know an animator and fraknly I’m getting a bit sick of him cloning himself into thousands of copy’s of himself whenever somebody disregards his work
Your so lucky to be friends with Dr. Strange
it's very painful, it just happens whenever anybody watches the shit I make and tells me it's for kids
You can't stop the mitosis.
Intentionally "disrespect" him to make his job easier
@@KingTroxler you mean Professor Unusual?
As a stop motion enjoyer I can confirm *we are still waiting*
One of these days…..
I do stop motion :)
@@JRAnimationStudios keep up the good work!
@@JRAnimationStudios :)
Have you heard of a little movie called Mad God?
Animation has got to be my favorite medium of story-telling. There’s so many different categories, so many ways to stylize it, so many ways to tell a unique and captivating tale that only works in its full potential THROUGH animation. Movies like Coraline, Grave of the Fireflies, Wolfwalkers, Spiderverse- all they have in common is that they were told through animation, and each one tells a vastly different tale, with passion undeniably dripping from each scene. Animation deserves more respect. It may have shaped your childhood, but that does not mean it is limited to a child audience.
Good God bro, You’re a poet!
agreed, and you can get some fucking *amazing* looking scenery that just doesn't hit the same when it's live-action.
Couldn’t agree more. If could tell a story, i would choose Animation as the medium to tell my stories. Second option would be Video Game too 👍
You're goddamn right!!
I wish we could see more of Tim Burton style stop-motion animations. Miss them.
Jordan peele is making one
The best animated movies for me will always be the secret of the kells, song of the sea and wolf walker trilogy because oh my god the artstyle
You have good taste
Mine are Early Charlie Brown movies , The Thief and the Cobbler, Yellow Submarine and Probably some others here and there.
i never heard of them
@@TDScommanderr Wait really? How come
@@TDScommanderr my guy you're missing out, you should watch them fr
This isn't even slander the majority of these are clearly pro-animation statements.
That last one is so accurate
I should know
As someone who wants to be an animator in the future it hurts to see how people treat animation
th-cam.com/video/9Fgc_Ud108s/w-d-xo.html animation is good even when it's not
niko oneshot!!!
@@doodleedoo my thoughts exactly
this is such a niko oneshot
you are all legends in my life
Stop motion animations will always have a special place in an artists heart ❤
That sure is true. I worked on stop motion videos on my channel from 2015 to 2019!
Chad James Baxter keeps being homaged
0:50 Also every animator when someone calls their medium a "genre":
0:02
Kubo and the Two Strings was elite
Amen
I absolutely love Klaus, and respect the shit out of the animation team for making something look that good.
Primal Animators: **Making something so simple look so beautiful**
gigachad genndy tartakovsky
it's literally watered-down samurai jack
@@namazu5976 "🤓"
@@namazu5976 This comment made me lose faith in humanity
and as you can see, the usual hivemind of primal stans are seething all over me
Real talk though, Klaus and Spiderverse are 2 of my favorite movies EVER in recent years, though ofcourse I'm not alone on that opinion.
Klaus is genuinely one of the best movies ever created imo
she hulk's animators when the show is published (they just lost all their friends)
Hey! Amateur animator here! Thanks for standing up with us! I know quite a number of animators here that are genuinely loving their work, but the pay isn’t worth their dime. I just want to say that and we also stand up with the VFX artists in Disney who are being worked to death too! Those live-action movies were made for corporate greed alone, not the respect of the medium of both live action film and animation.
Bojack Horseman is my absolute favourite piece of fiction of a time which is an animated show about a former actor who also happens to be a depressed horse who inflicts substance abuse upon himself and steals the D in Hollywood. Sometimes wacky things can connect way more than realism can, even if that his it's own place.
Cartoon Saloon at the oscars looking at another pixar factory product get another oscar over their film which took 20 years and the sacrifice of a firstborn
As a person who animates as a hobby this is accurate 😔
As someone who does animation for a hobby, I can confirm that no one treats the medium like an actual form of art to be enjoyed by everyone- adults especially. I’ve grown tired of Netflix laying off an entire animation team and cancelling critically-acclaimed or long-awaited animated series because of these layoffs, instead favoring live action and animated series with very little value to anyone above the age of 18 months.
Movies like Spirit, Road to El Dorado, and The Princess and the Frog were staples of my childhood, and I’ve always loved them as movies. Klaus is one of my favorite recent 2D movies because it shows an actual love and respect for the media…and then I never see anyone mention it just about ever.
Nobody is wanting animation to die except the big companies, and it is painful to watch.
ghibli animations are sooooooo good
Anime characters having the best designs but movements like a PowerPoint presentation
As an aspiring animator I can confirm that it is true
Finally someone who knows about Klaus
people still saying that anime should be for kids even after seeing a clip of a few goblins on top of one girl
This is pretty accurate ngl
0:07 Don't worry I've got your back.
0:13 as someone who does Stop motion and sometimes does cgi animations it sure feels like the computer does all the work for you.
As a artist that does both animation and comic books this hits close to home
As a stop motion enthusiast, I have remained until the end of the video
gigachad
The only stop motions i know are these:- Fantastic Mr Fox, Coraline, Corpse Bride, Frankenweenie, The little prince, Kubo and the two strings, The Boxtrolls, Paranorman, Isle of dogs, Wallace and Gromit, James and the giant peach, The nightmare before Christmas
do you have any recommendations :]
@@angrypakistanigirl There’s a stop motion Pinnochio film coming out later this year
Marvel FX team when Kevin Feige speaks at Comic Con:
*more fear than mortals will ever know*
0:06 Netflix is making a stop motion animation Pinocchio set to release some time in December of 2022! So we don't have to wait that long. :P
And also Wendell and Wild, the new Henry Sellick stop motion movie
0:39 cell shading, very cool
0:06 waiting for hazbin hotel to come out
Ngl I didn't expect Klaus to be here but the addition and joke was very much welcome
Not a day goes by where I don't think about Kubo and the Two Strings.
I make stop motion, this is relatable lol
0:30 Richard Williams when Disney snatched his passion project after he took too long to finish it
This is one of the most mature slander memes I have seen
Most expensive West Asian animation: either an AI-generated 3-minute commercial for milk or a clickbait animation featuring Elsa and Spider-Man doing some questionable stuff
James Baxter when he says "fuck this" and does the most beautiful and fluid animation you'll ever see for the last 5 years or so:
That one unknown animator who made an animated film that is underrated to this day: 🍷🗿
Animation is my favorite medium. People don’t take me seriously when I list my favorite movies because they’re all animated :
Animation meme animators try not to make a video where it's just 3 gifs looping challenge (impossible)
Thank you so much for the subs! Can’t wait to see what this channel becomes :D
Keep up the good work👍
I used to do a research on animated movies for my post graduation
damn it was hard. and I felt a huge respect for animators after watching countless animated movies with different animation techniques. my favorite is stop motion animation cuz for some reason it feels familiar 🤔
As an animator I felt the pain in this video
"When you're a god at an animation style nobody knows about"
I love slander videos I hope ur channel blows up
as a animator and also a 3d and a sound des- but this is very accurate, i spent days trying to fix simulations and stuff, sound design it's uhh
audacity sucks
Omg Klaus was and still is the best damn Christmas movie of all time
Respect for these animators that made my childhood awesome.
This is the most perfect slander video I've ever seen.
James baxter is a true master
Okay that first joke was clever
The stop motion thing is a very good point, we need more
Completed your 1k like
Ah, James Baxter. A genius in animation
So I am an animation major and I found all of this really funny
Sort of random but Beastars ways has me stumped on when it's 3D and when it isn't. They blend together really well.
Reminds me of the Oscars and 'Loving Vincent'...
Also about some older movies like 'Invention for Destruction', which include a lot of animated elements.
Klaus went hard for real.
Good news for stop motion fans, Henry Selick has been working on Wendel and Wild with his team and release date is within a month away on Netflix.
A new stop motion movie is coming out! It’s by Laika, they made coralline and shit. It looks really cool
Yo. Mad God is a really good stop motion movie that came out like a year ago. It's the magnum opus of Phil Tippet; the creator of those stop motion parts in Star Wars and Jurassic Park.
Stop motion animation just felt different. It had that vibe that I can't describe but want to go back to.
The last one hits hard people
Chad Klaus animators vs Chad SpiderVerse animators
"I can see a billion futures and in every single one of them I'm still kicking your ass"
-Ghandi maybe
Congrats on 0 subs man really proud of you
Can’t wait to hit 2 subscribers
@@KingTroxler holy shit dude you've passed 2 subscribers! now you have THREE!! 👏👏👏👏
Klaus was a goated film ngl
I don't know when the mindset of animation is for kids came about in the US but I do know its fucked us ever since.
Sorta was expecting genndy tartakovsky to be mentioned here?
The spiderman into the spiderverse animation style is honestly my favorite animation ever
we need the animation meme makers in this tbh
Animation memers trying to make an actual animation instead of gay furries head bobbing:
Animation meme artists after timing a satisfying head bob down to the point-second of a beat:
Animation memers trying to actually animate a meme or animate something memey instead of something cringy (rarely does that happen, that wario falls of the stairs while playing candy crush animation WAS an animation meme):
@@ArjunTheRageGuy ik the guy who animated that and i keep forgetting he's pretty popular now
Animation memers when people invalidate their work because it's not a masterpiece short film
As an animator, I concur
YT kids 'animators' when someone says their work isn't actually animation
Omg as an independent animator myself this hits hard
No, ok, here’s the thing, people will just have to accept that 3D remakes of old 2D movies will pretty much always be bad, and just, not watch them. Not even to see that they are bad, I’m tired of “I watched pinokion king 3D so you don’t have to.” Review channel videos, you didn’t have to tell me it’d be bad in order for me to know it’d be bad. And frankly, I never had to watch pinokion king and the beast 3D.
I get that the most of these movies are riding on nostalgia that the original audience of the 2D movies have, and names sell movies, but come on, these movies get enough publicity as is.
3d animation is in large part done by a computer but a computer cannot read a script and animate it, there are still character designs and rigs, and backgrounds, and when youre doing a big movie you also have to design what the computer does, because you constantly need new physics and effects
Stop motion fans are eating good this fall and winter. They're getting Wendell and Wild in late October and then Guillermo Del Toros Pinocchio in December
0:13 the problem with cgi isn't that the animators are lazy, its that the directors who use it as a solution for everything are lazy. I'll always have more respect for directors who come up with new and inventive solutions for scenes rather than just shipping it to another country to get it animated in a sweatshop.
Took 30 years but mad god finally came out
finally a slander where I can understand every meme and not just 2 out of 14
Awesome music choice, fellow Kirby enjoyer
people making stickman fights for the heck of it:
kung fu panda is peak animation
Is it
As an Animator intermediate I can confirm this is 100% true!
Why did I freestyle to this
never liked the stop motion style (it just feels off), but i have nothing but respect for the people who work on it.
though i'm sure they just use dark arts like that one guy.
That one guy in gravity falls
@@KingTroxler yup
the first one pretty much sums up LAIKA studios fans but damn their films are worth the wait
Animators when someone says a wip looks unfinished (they haven't added the breakdowns yet)
"wdym this gore paranormal horror 3d movie where someone gets their bones pulled out their body isnt for kids?"