Those df2's make sense when you think of them as electrics. All of TMM habits using electrics transferred over to df2. For instance his side step electric habit is now side step df2.
Sense of humor is great obviously but also hearing your reads and thought process has definitely helped my judging situations more in real time, as an older casual lee player trying to grapple with the newer system. Thank you.
00:15 - It's true, it took him the least amount of games to reach it. - even Yoshi took him more time and he also lost it really fast with him. And about Bryan - its the character that took him the most amount of time to reach Supreme with. Heck it even made him take a small break from Tekken until the Heihachi release.
Tbh it's probably cause Lee has some really cheap spammable stuff, he used to be my secondary. Looking back, he has to be one of the more easier characters to rank once you know his moves
when you have fundamentals like TMM does, going from Rajin to Tekken God is really easy with any charater in this Tekken, im an oldschool player that doesnt have a lot of time to play, but already got 4 characters to God ofDestruction and with every one of em gettin to Tekken God was MAD easy, the problem begins once you reach TG Supreme where you will find people with fundamentals to play with, you find a lot of scrubs up to Tekken God, you will find some scrubs even beyond TG actually LOL but a lot of strong people too.
@@Beno324 that shit only does 20 some damage, is launch punishable and u can SWL the second kick so how is that cheap & spammable? U get blown up for b33 as everyone & their grandmother ducks Lee 24/7 past blue ranks.
people under the age of 30 have no comprehension of sarcasm and generic fgc talk. you can give each other flack but it’s constructive criticism. people get so offended about shit it’s crazy. I got no problems with anyone other than the clowns taking shit on twitter and being offended for others. i don’t give them any attention and if i was a content creator id just ignore them too. shouldn’t have to put a disclaimer when people give feedback or fgc sarcasm i can tell the difference between playful or constructive trash talk and hatred. anywho i enjoy both y’all’s content.
@The6Godggfdgfg i don't its just that u have this weird fan fiction in your head just cause I'm reacting to a video of him playing my main character. It isnt beef you just tryna start imaginary beef
@@fightinggm so if he made a video and was impersonating you, pretending to talk like you to make fun of you, you wouldnt think anything of it? fuck outta here bro haha
It would be cool to see some collaboration between GM and Mainman, people don't need to beef with each other. To clarify, I'm not saying they have any beef I'm just talking about content creators in general, it would be cool to see GM coach Mainman on Lee, like in real time.
The breakdown in the beginning is why I watch. Shits made me so much better just taking those little tips into ranked. When I body people with Lee now, it’s way more clean.
Due to all respect GM you are Something like a teacher for us lee Players and we all respect you ( i hope u guys do cause that man is crazy good) but maybe my english is not good enough or i am misunderstanding but i dont think TMM trys to mock you or the chars in saying"lee was the easiest TGS" . Even his reaction to your Video was very respectfull and kind . I know you always say that tekken Community is to soft but sometimes i like that TMM trys to help people with positive talk and i like ur clear and direct talk. Hope u get what i meant 🫠 Wish Everbody a good day 🔆
Something that Idk if anyone experiences this but when you play an alternate character, you tend to think way too much. You may get your combos down or find certain follow-ups you can do, but most times, you are likely to mess up because you didn't expect to get a counter, you don't know what combo route you should take in a floor break or wall break situation, or just don't know much (I may say) depth to the character. What I mean by thinking too much is what are you trying to do to your opponent that is somewhat reasonable or necessary for you? What goal do you want to achieve with your alternate character? It all comes to character knowledge and getting used to certain characters. MainMans Lee may be TGS, but he plays a TON of characters, but is mostly good with Mishimas and Bryan. So when it comes to playing characters like Lee or Steve, he kind of breaks from his natural flow with his mains and starts to relearn the game again. I don't wanna talk too much now, and if you don't get what I'm saying, that's fine with me. Also, this video WAAYYYY too funny. Keep it up, GM 👍💯
I appreciate ur content, great sense of humour ofc, but just hearing ur thought process gave me tips on how I should play better and not make dumb mistakes. 💯
Hilarious video man, I think the thing is TMM usually just hops right into ranked so he doesn't warm up his knowledge about Lee before ranked I think he'd play a good Lee if he practiced proper combos and started implementing standing 3, d2 etc more like you was saying
I really hope for season 2 lee gets range buff tracking buff an actual heat move and 1-2 new moves out of hit man stance like ff2 from hit man or a new fast mid low mid string or something
It's funny because that Kazuya wasn't optimal with his punishes, if it were a seasoned Kazuya player he wouldn't have left a single whiff punish with electric or launched every -13 low with the twin pistons.
8:53 because he playing him like he is kazuya if u notice he dont have electric so he run up and do that and his run up d 4 i think is his version of hell sweep
The fact that mainmanswede lee is tekken god supreme is reflection something is wrong with rank system.. no disrespect to mainman but his lee gameplay with flowchart df2, no keep out b4, and god awful combos, he really barely kishin.how he actually got to supreme beats me..
@@TriNguyen-iu2vi I don’t know if that’s an issue with the ranked system though. It’s more of a reflection of how knowledge checks and gimmicks work against 99% of the player base, and so these people can win all the way up to the top. The only changes Namco could make really are to introduce more ranks or make losses take more points away.
I’m very perplexed the game gave us +17 into free running move and no one really does it like db3+4 and standing 3 after heat engage…just do the flow chart they gave you after engage man
But this just goes to show that everything you said within your previous videos were correct. Lee is hard to play with he isn’t like a victor or Eddy or kayazua where u can just pick up and play. Of course at the highest level as u stated in previous videos u gotta be able to do more then the basics but in rank u can do the basics and get to GOD. With Lee u can’t . Great video bro fr 💯
Lmao you can't just pick up and play with Kazuya my dude you need some fundamentals with him my dude y'all buggin lol. No doubt Kazuya is easier than he was in 7 but that doesn't mean he's easy easy
@@brycenmarion146bro stop lying he’s the easiest Mishima in the game this is not Tekken tag 2. The only Mishima who’s better than him is Jin and barely that.
@Dusktodawn430 Devil Jin is definitely easier than Kaz my dude and obviously Jin is better and I wouldn't say by barely either. I never played Tag 2 so idk what u mean by that. Idk what makes you think I'm "lying" gang
@@brycenmarion146 that’s what I’m saying bro you didn’t play the old games when kaz was actually difficult and was a specialist character. And dj is not easy to pick up due to the fact that all of his moves are very bad on block. What makes Jin better than kaz is that he has great oki tools but they are mostly situational. What makes kaz in tekken 8 better than them id his d1+2 his wr1+2 heavens gate and abolishing fist. Those are very great tools and add in that his 341 loop can lead into an automatic wave whereas you had to actually do it yourself. His worst move in the game is tsunami kick just due to the fact that he doesn’t need it. It’s not like in the other games where he actually was a specialist character.
I think you and swe are both awesome players. Have you hit God with more rush one character? The hate content is funny but I think we all miss watching you play. That would be a great series
Its like that with most people. Like watch Miirio play Kazuya, K-Wiss play anyone that's not Hwoarang, Ayorichie play Reina... They all look like purple ranks, lol.
@@ghostEstone I've been watching him for a couple years now and at this point his Lee should be better due to playing for decades (you can't forget muscle memory) and his execution with Mishimas but it seems to have regressed, might just be him being old or something. He doesn't bother to learn new combos and sticks with the easy staples.
Fr! im starting to question if they are both in on the sneak dissin eachother just to make vids about it. The reason i say that is cause GM made a video like two years ago or some time talking about all the people shit talking him and he gave shot outs to Lil Majin and TMM for being good people.
I dunno, I started playing Lee in tekken 7 and now tekken 8. I think the hardest thing to do for Lee is pick up after just frame 4,4,4 and mist trap which I’ve been able to do but not constantly, the other just frames aren’t too difficult. I’ve never done a PEWGF with Kaz, I’d argue Kaz is harder.
42:56 that is true for you ex pro player but NA has gotten overwhelmingly weeker in all games in high ranks and pro esports by all other regions it's been like this for 10 years
his combo game with Lee is kinda wack and might be his biggest struggle. I watched the first few minutes of the video and he couldn’t do any of Lee’s major CH combos (d3, 1+2) but I shouldn’t expect him to really train with lee since he’s a Kaz player
Fighting GM what do you do for a living yo? Whats the cost of rent where you at? You living on your own or with parents. No shame brotha it is hard out there for some people.
Idc if people hate on you or whatever. Your content is too funny and entertaining. Keep going strong bro!
They just don't like him being himself. Let GM cook.
And I love gm's Lee he's really good
We need a FightingGM Kazuya vs TMM Lee money match
@@goob8945 lmao I’d pay to see that
I agree 😂
I'd pay aswell
@@KeithKillingly lmao would genuinely put up a couple bucks to see this. Winner gets the pot haha
Hell yeah
There’s nothing quite like watching gm watch an ad then being hit with an ad
Just install Pie and you can skip ads forever lmfao
Those df2's make sense when you think of them as electrics.
All of TMM habits using electrics transferred over to df2. For instance his side step electric habit is now side step df2.
Sense of humor is great obviously but also hearing your reads and thought process has definitely helped my judging situations more in real time, as an older casual lee player trying to grapple with the newer system. Thank you.
You are so welcome
Crazy thing for me watching this is tmm had wayy crispier lee combos in t7. Definitely not a pickup and play character, it shows.
Real
I love the ad breaks in between its mad funny
GM a real one for that. Making sure other creators get paid. Gotta respect it.
I thought i had a ad running with GM on screen glitching 😂
00:15 - It's true, it took him the least amount of games to reach it. - even Yoshi took him more time and he also lost it really fast with him.
And about Bryan - its the character that took him the most amount of time to reach Supreme with.
Heck it even made him take a small break from Tekken until the Heihachi release.
Tbh it's probably cause Lee has some really cheap spammable stuff, he used to be my secondary. Looking back, he has to be one of the more easier characters to rank once you know his moves
when you have fundamentals like TMM does, going from Rajin to Tekken God is really easy with any charater in this Tekken, im an oldschool player that doesnt have a lot of time to play, but already got 4 characters to God ofDestruction and with every one of em gettin to Tekken God was MAD easy, the problem begins once you reach TG Supreme where you will find people with fundamentals to play with, you find a lot of scrubs up to Tekken God, you will find some scrubs even beyond TG actually LOL but a lot of strong people too.
@@livingashtree1942what’s Lee’s cheap spammable stuff tho?
@JellyPadOfficial back 3 3
@@Beno324 that shit only does 20 some damage, is launch punishable and u can SWL the second kick so how is that cheap & spammable? U get blown up for b33 as everyone & their grandmother ducks Lee 24/7 past blue ranks.
The irony of it all. The downplay of Lee and the fact that he gets demoted by his own main due to the 50/50 tactics. Absolutely cinematic.
41:16 “Sonic Fox, deeh ” 😭😭😭💀
LMAO 😆
Furry boiz 🤣
The thing about gm that make me like him is that he's real genuine, listening to him feels like speaking to a friend, real genuine
I appreciate that
bro no lie every ad synced up watching this lmfao
Very fun and entertaining video GM! Strangely enough, I’ve been handling those Lee mains better from watching GM’s channel.
Glad you enjoyed
Keep your reaction to the ad breaks. You quick to make it entertaining
Il keep on thank you
I really fucks with Gm. There’s no hate in his critique, he’s being honest and gives mmswe props when he dose something nice with Lee.
I know this is all for fun, but your commentary really is helpful and I learn a lot
41:16 bro you made me shoot my drink out my nose with that fucking sonicfox bit wtf gm 🤣🤣💀
Good shit GM, love hearing your coaching and logic.
Thanks for the support boss
@@fightinggmShoot, thanks to you my brotha, you’re supporting us more than any of us do for you ✊🏼.
That 4,4,4 off the hop is insane. We just started 😂
Straight up shenanigans
Your thumbnail game is on another level these days LMAO! Also 34:51 🤣🤣🤣
"sample combo" that shits funny 🤣
Yo that combo was baby son what the hell was that🤣🤣
people under the age of 30 have no comprehension of sarcasm and generic fgc talk. you can give each other flack but it’s constructive criticism. people get so offended about shit it’s crazy. I got no problems with anyone other than the clowns taking shit on twitter and being offended for others.
i don’t give them any attention and if i was a content creator id just ignore them too. shouldn’t have to put a disclaimer when people give feedback or fgc sarcasm
i can tell the difference between playful or constructive trash talk and hatred.
anywho i enjoy both y’all’s content.
This isn't trash talk lol this just literally how I am everyday. If ya think this is trashtalk don't come to my stream then lmaoooo
@The6Godggfdgfg i don't its just that u have this weird fan fiction in your head just cause I'm reacting to a video of him playing my main character. It isnt beef you just tryna start imaginary beef
@@fightinggm so if he made a video and was impersonating you, pretending to talk like you to make fun of you, you wouldnt think anything of it? fuck outta here bro haha
@@The6Godggfdgfg u madd soft it's called jokes lmao u should try and laugh sometimes it will make your miserable life alot better 😂
@@fightinggmI’m tellin u these internet mfs be weird they needa go outside and learn some social skills 🤣🤦🏾♂️
It would be cool to see some collaboration between GM and Mainman, people don't need to beef with each other. To clarify, I'm not saying they have any beef I'm just talking about content creators in general, it would be cool to see GM coach Mainman on Lee, like in real time.
The commercial commentaries are mad underrated lol
Oh man ur commentaries are peak. Nice to see you getting more views because of daily uploads. And this freaking ads lmao, real funny. Keep it up.
“He bout to make some chef boyardee” took me tf out 🤣🤣🤣 tf does that even mean that shit was funny
Yo GM this video was fire 🔥 keep it up dawg ❤
Thanks bro appreciate your support
The breakdown in the beginning is why I watch. Shits made me so much better just taking those little tips into ranked. When I body people with Lee now, it’s way more clean.
11:11 “with the meat out” 😂
the Tekashi joint killed me, i didnt even think of that until u mentioned it LMAO
The 'SonicFox" cameo took me out 🤣🤣🤣
Man I didn't know about GM 1 month ago, now he's like my old friend 😂
Due to all respect GM you are Something like a teacher for us lee Players and we all respect you ( i hope u guys do cause that man is crazy good) but maybe my english is not good enough or i am misunderstanding but i dont think TMM trys to mock you or the chars in saying"lee was the easiest TGS" . Even his reaction to your Video was very respectfull and kind . I know you always say that tekken Community is to soft but sometimes i like that TMM trys to help people with positive talk and i like ur clear and direct talk. Hope u get what i meant 🫠
Wish Everbody a good day 🔆
"Text to luca you know how it is." This man's demeanor is hilarious
God damnnn!! GM with the quickest reaction vid ever!!
Something that Idk if anyone experiences this but when you play an alternate character, you tend to think way too much. You may get your combos down or find certain follow-ups you can do, but most times, you are likely to mess up because you didn't expect to get a counter, you don't know what combo route you should take in a floor break or wall break situation, or just don't know much (I may say) depth to the character. What I mean by thinking too much is what are you trying to do to your opponent that is somewhat reasonable or necessary for you? What goal do you want to achieve with your alternate character? It all comes to character knowledge and getting used to certain characters. MainMans Lee may be TGS, but he plays a TON of characters, but is mostly good with Mishimas and Bryan. So when it comes to playing characters like Lee or Steve, he kind of breaks from his natural flow with his mains and starts to relearn the game again. I don't wanna talk too much now, and if you don't get what I'm saying, that's fine with me. Also, this video WAAYYYY too funny. Keep it up, GM 👍💯
My man gotta stop getting ads because every time he does soon after I get one 😂😂😂
It's how youtube works. Content creators get payed cause of ads
I know I was just joking besides I find you funny reacting to the ads and making jokes about them
@12:46 😂😂😂 gotta eat this joint to hit your just frames
You and TMM need to do a live Lee coaching session! How Maximillian and Phidx did it. Would be straight fire 🔥
4:50 i tried learning lee and even the easy combos are extremely difficult for me, didn't have that problem with any other character i tried
interesting that I didn't see a single acid rain from the guy who thinks "punishing with electrics is the hardest thing to do in Tekken"
I appreciate ur content, great sense of humour ofc, but just hearing ur thought process gave me tips on how I should play better and not make dumb mistakes. 💯
You GOAT wit this one my G. Big ups... Big ups!
This better lead to an ft10 istg 😅😅😅😅
He gonna whoop TMM 🤣 I’m fans of both.
I’m a big fan of both but I’ll say gm 10-4 over Tmm both are great players tho
GM Kazuya vs TMM Lee would be awesome. Another cool idea would be if GM coaches TMM to g.o.d with Lee
Bro stop wishing this nonsense This ain’t gonna happen.
@@saschasunza9618 it ain’t that serious we just wanna see sum tekken
Hilarious video man, I think the thing is TMM usually just hops right into ranked so he doesn't warm up his knowledge about Lee before ranked
I think he'd play a good Lee if he practiced proper combos and started implementing standing 3, d2 etc more like you was saying
Is nice cuz MM is every honest about everything , no hate and no drama... But then you look at the rest Mishima's players
Idk about no drama but he's a decent enough guy, kinda manchild but thats damn near every gamer content creator in the FGC.
I really hope for season 2 lee gets range buff tracking buff an actual heat move and 1-2 new moves out of hit man stance like ff2 from hit man or a new fast mid low mid string or something
He never said Lee wasn't hard. Actually it was opposite. All he said Kazuya is harder than Lee. That is the distinction.
Hey Boss! Loving your videos as usual. Adblock extension on your browser will rid you of all ads.
Peace
Don't wanna do that cause that's disrespectful to the people I'm reacting to. Creators make money off people watching ads so I'm not gonna do that
MainMan really handing out content cupcakes now🤣
😂😂😂😂 love the TMM impression
It's funny because that Kazuya wasn't optimal with his punishes, if it were a seasoned Kazuya player he wouldn't have left a single whiff punish with electric or launched every -13 low with the twin pistons.
8:53 because he playing him like he is kazuya if u notice he dont have electric so he run up and do that and his run up d 4 i think is his version of hell sweep
The fact that mainmanswede lee is tekken god supreme is reflection something is wrong with rank system.. no disrespect to mainman but his lee gameplay with flowchart df2, no keep out b4, and god awful combos, he really barely kishin.how he actually got to supreme beats me..
Despite his trash Lee gameplay he has better matchup knowledge and fundamentals than the average player at these ranks
@norf-kr6od that's excatly the problem! His opponents in his rank bracket dont have fundamentals to beat a trash lee..
@@TriNguyen-iu2vi I don’t know if that’s an issue with the ranked system though. It’s more of a reflection of how knowledge checks and gimmicks work against 99% of the player base, and so these people can win all the way up to the top. The only changes Namco could make really are to introduce more ranks or make losses take more points away.
i like how the TMM fans were talking trash about Gm his kazuya electrics but are very quiet about TMM his lee Combo's.
Imagine how I felt when he tried ts with Lei
Lee so easy but lost to his own main character..... Hmmm 🤔 3 50/50s within 1.5 seconds on the start of round 2.
need that Hei video ASAP 😂
20:18 "Yeah you are" 💀
I’m very perplexed the game gave us +17 into free running move and no one really does it like db3+4 and standing 3 after heat engage…just do the flow chart they gave you after engage man
I just realized the first hit in Lee's heat smash is his T7 rage drive 🥹
This video was crazy funny! XD
Gm turning mad stiff ads into S tier joint ads
But this just goes to show that everything you said within your previous videos were correct. Lee is hard to play with he isn’t like a victor or Eddy or kayazua where u can just pick up and play. Of course at the highest level as u stated in previous videos u gotta be able to do more then the basics but in rank u can do the basics and get to GOD. With Lee u can’t . Great video bro fr 💯
Lmao you can't just pick up and play with Kazuya my dude you need some fundamentals with him my dude y'all buggin lol. No doubt Kazuya is easier than he was in 7 but that doesn't mean he's easy easy
@@brycenmarion146bro stop lying he’s the easiest Mishima in the game this is not Tekken tag 2. The only Mishima who’s better than him is Jin and barely that.
@Dusktodawn430 Devil Jin is definitely easier than Kaz my dude and obviously Jin is better and I wouldn't say by barely either. I never played Tag 2 so idk what u mean by that. Idk what makes you think I'm "lying" gang
@@brycenmarion146 you definitely can. I never even touched him in training and I’m fujin…. I dropped dude just proved a point
@@brycenmarion146 that’s what I’m saying bro you didn’t play the old games when kaz was actually difficult and was a specialist character. And dj is not easy to pick up due to the fact that all of his moves are very bad on block. What makes Jin better than kaz is that he has great oki tools but they are mostly situational. What makes kaz in tekken 8 better than them id his d1+2 his wr1+2 heavens gate and abolishing fist. Those are very great tools and add in that his 341 loop can lead into an automatic wave whereas you had to actually do it yourself. His worst move in the game is tsunami kick just due to the fact that he doesn’t need it. It’s not like in the other games where he actually was a specialist character.
I think you and swe are both awesome players. Have you hit God with more rush one character? The hate content is funny but I think we all miss watching you play. That would be a great series
I don't make hate content
"he really likes doing df2" yeah it's a df2 fest with this guy, you should see him use Paul all he does is df2 spam , really sweaty playstyle
A streamer sniper!!?? Somebody ban him out of my chat😭😭
@ 😂😂
It's so weird, TMM can do the hardest combos with Kazuya but seems to do red/purple rank combos with everyone else, stiff too.
Literally,, watching his steve gameplay makes me itch
tekken 8 makes you wanna do the green rank tactics now since a lot of dumb moves work now along with aggression
It isn't weird. He plays kauzya 24/7. I'm very good with king/armour king but with everyone else, I start doing green rank tactics lol.
Its like that with most people. Like watch Miirio play Kazuya, K-Wiss play anyone that's not Hwoarang, Ayorichie play Reina... They all look like purple ranks, lol.
@@ghostEstone I've been watching him for a couple years now and at this point his Lee should be better due to playing for decades (you can't forget muscle memory) and his execution with Mishimas but it seems to have regressed, might just be him being old or something. He doesn't bother to learn new combos and sticks with the easy staples.
17:22 that Leroy drip is something else
Dudee I really want GM vs Mainman
Fr! im starting to question if they are both in on the sneak dissin eachother just to make vids about it. The reason i say that is cause GM made a video like two years ago or some time talking about all the people shit talking him and he gave shot outs to Lil Majin and TMM for being good people.
This shit is funny asf😂😂😂😂.. dude probably steaming right now
i didn’t see him use a single wr 3,4 or acid rain as a punish 💀 but i thought bryan was harder
Bryan is harder than Lee but he has also played Bryan more than Lee.
“Is meat cheese edible” 😭😭😭
They do be like that 😂 mad weird
Great info tmm needs to go back in the lab that will benefit him so much Idk why he doesn't practice as much as he used too
I dunno, I started playing Lee in tekken 7 and now tekken 8. I think the hardest thing to do for Lee is pick up after just frame 4,4,4 and mist trap which I’ve been able to do but not constantly, the other just frames aren’t too difficult. I’ve never done a PEWGF with Kaz, I’d argue Kaz is harder.
42:56 that is true for you ex pro player but NA has gotten overwhelmingly weeker in all games in high ranks and pro esports by all other regions it's been like this for 10 years
Uncle Leroooy. 🍃
Keep em coming, we love it! (Plus the Ad reacts too)
Thanks bro I appreciate it
his combo game with Lee is kinda wack and might be his biggest struggle. I watched the first few minutes of the video and he couldn’t do any of Lee’s major CH combos (d3, 1+2) but I shouldn’t expect him to really train with lee since he’s a Kaz player
12:52 😂😂😂😂 I died 🤣
😂
Def need TMM to react to this 😭😭
What would lee’s staple combo be off axis?
Because b2 usually whiffs if you go the normal route?
Fighting GM what do you do for a living yo? Whats the cost of rent where you at? You living on your own or with parents. No shame brotha it is hard out there for some people.
why doesn't lee have a homing low heat smash thats very weird
This video is exactly why i dropped Lee as my main. His pickups and mist step cancel combos had me frustrated with Lee
TMM definitely needs to watch this. Great commentary there
Can someone tell me what's a joint?
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Isn't it ironic he played against a kazuya first match after y'all debated on who's easier lol
15:25 b2 into wr2,3 with no ws1,2 is painful
This video literally ends the debate lol
As a kaz main I get beat on by lees so this was very informational
Lmao yessir farm city up in here💀
Really want to see a FT5. Probably ain’t happening.
clicked for the thumbnails
It hurts seeing him early bound when i seen him b2 mist before, think hes too nervous
If you think TMM is a D/F 2 merchant with Lee, you should Watch him play Paul 🤣🤣
TMM kinda playing like the Lee players he said he hated seeing in T8
This is another one where someone is some hot ahh wit a character, but their fundamentals & understanding of the game hard carries
He’s has bad habit of abusing certain moves over and over again flowcharting