Why grant them citizenship? Bab' Mabhena please. We r guests here. Can we just do what we need and prepare our wagons for the great migration back to Plumtree. Please this land is not ours.
Are you guys that disparate to be South Africans like really? I'm a proud Zimbabwean citizen but sir this is just nonsense when will you fight for freedom in our country while you busy with citizenship in South Africa you should be ashamed of yourself
@TiraKhumalo He doesn't have a backbone to fight for Zimbabwe but he wants to act important as a fake South African. Shame the S.A. women and logo's are fighting in the streets to protect their country, this is not a man!!!!
@TiraKhumalo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 AND people like him, give all the good legal foreign national a bad name. Honestly all these problem causes will leave. Many years legal foreign nationals and S.A. lived in peace, together we will send them home.
Do you do these controversial topics for likes and traffic so that you can get a higher revenue for this video given that it is now towards Christmas and you need money to go home.
Their problem start there when they Merge SA with USA. Our immigration law are not the same. Hambani nozalela e USA to get you children being accommodated.
@KatMak01 Something I learnt about all the various men from the 53 countries, they do not a backbone and pair, in their country, but want to be Dicators in S.A. In S.A. the women and children have more guts to stand up against the S.A. GOVT!!!! NOW WE KNOW WHY THEIR 53 GOVT THINKS THEY A JOKE!!!! IN Zim that govt is giving white farmers Billions all Zim people do is want to play pretend S.A.CITIZENS
Exactly cause thy always looking for loop holes in our constitution in order to benefits from South Africa....uyabheda lo...next thing those parents will think they also have a right to citizenship because their kids have been granted citizenship
You always ask people to respect the laws of their host country. RSA allows such children to apply for citizenship if they have stayed in RSA for an unbroken period of 18 years, once they reach the age of 18. This is not the US. Why are you always asking the country to change its laws to suit you and if you don't get your way you take the government to court. You are doing what you have dismally failed to do in your own country, i.e. take the illegitimate Zimbo regime to court. RSA is a sovereign country as you always state. You are opening the floodgates here. Once children get citizenship, next will be parents applying for citizenship based on their children's citizenship. And on and on it goes until all the brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles and aunts can piggyback on the same citizenship.
Please stop embarassing us.We can not continue to force ourselves on a country that we never helped to build.South Africa belongs to South Africans. Only children born to foreigners who reside legally in South Africa and are contributing positively to the growth should be granted citizenship.I am Zimbabwean and i do not want to lose my Zimbabweaness. You need to tell South Africans how that will benefit them
I have a son who study here til matric and was very good at soccer after matric it was painful to see him dreaming big on his career so the best was going home at have everything he deserves and is happy there playing soccer without being asked for a permit
As Zimbabweans let's learn to appreciate what South Africa has offered us so far. I think we are now too demanding, the South African economy is already suppressed by a higher number of population. Hayi what more do we want kanti, let's go home and fight our own battles. We can't face our own government but here we are making demands 😅😅😅. Imagine if tables were turned, would Zimbabwe allow such requests. Hayi kabi, umuntu akunikeze isandla wena usufuna ingalo yonke
Good for you they belong to where their parents belong. Why is that our problem, it is the problem of their parents. Who are lying to their them. So the people to be blamed are their parents
Let's see if Mnangagwa can grant children born to illegal immigrants citizenship. You guys really like to take advantage of South Africa 's hospitality and you wouldn't expect the same in your own country of origin
Do not agree. The parents need to tell their children that though they are born is SA they are not SAans. You want to create more chaos than you have already created. Please just give SA a break, you making so many demands you don’t even make in your own countries.
@@matrix0085 I think this whole mess started with Zama. Some people took advantage of his educational background. That's why he gave Zimbabweans that ZEP
Mr. Mabhena, u must stop interfering in the internal affairs of SA. South afria is a sovereign country. As a politician, u should deal with the challenges of health care in the SADC region. What is needed is the solution to deal with the crumbling health sectors in some SADC member states. Promoting the illegality is not gonna solve afrca's problems. You might be testing waters, but what you are saying is gonna provoke the citizens of this country. You can't say the government of SA must consider amending some of the legislations to accommodate people who are illegal in this country.
Where do SA fit? I think it's a responsibility of parents to tell their kids correct info that they don't belong here but to their parents countries to avoid Chidimma issues.
Uyadakwa Mabhena hambani nezingane zenu akusizo izingane zalana in South Africa we have laws that we follow. Hambani e USA ikhona lapho abavuma le nonsense oyishoyo wena usuyasibhedela ngempela manje.
Uyasangana manje ...whos problem is it that they assume they are south african because they are born here? Dont make the problem of those parents our problem ....its their problem that they are undocumented. Hhayi bo savelelwa. Go and tell that to Mnangagwa
Mabhena are you out your mind??🙄🙄 Millions of Zimbabweans alone give birth in SA , i don't count other countries just Zimbabweans..so what is our country going to cope..Instead of teaching your pple to be proud citizens of their own countries, you're busy misleading them??
We cannot outsource the issues of illegal immigrants and their kids to the South African, it is wholly unfair. The South African government must be allowed to write immigration laws based on it's operating context and it's ambitions for the country and its citizens.
Mabhena as a parent be honest to your child. Tell them the truth it hurts but sometimes it is good thing to do. Tell them we as your parents we are illegal in the country. While I was in that the was a zep holder who gave birth to. A child and too the child to Zim now she want. The government to give the child a citizenship but they refused because the child was not even south Africa.
Ey I'm not sure if you did think this through Mabhena. In Africa we believe in our roots and history as tribes. We say an apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And the English say, "Children are made readers in the laps of their parents". Parents are responsible for teaching children their ways and family history. No child will ever think they are something they are not unless the parents hide the truth from them. A chinese born in South Africa will still be chinese and their parents must teach them chinese ways for him/her to have an identity.
You want to give us chidima headache again mabhena the law of the republic doesn’t allow that.just respect our laws please why you want our country so bad.what is u agenda where thier parents come from they have their own country.
Mabhena as always you're using emotions as logic to make a point - at no point did you mention what exactly does the South African law say and how exactly does the South African law come about. You're not saying what happens then to the illegal alien parents once the child or children are legal in South Africa. You always omit to mention that WE South Africans vote for the lawmakers for the benefit and the future of OUR children and country and OUR lawmakers make laws on OUR behalf, not on behalf of criminals - we must never, under no circumstances REWARD bad behavior, worse - criminal activity. Once you're in the country illegally, you're engaged in illegal, you're a criminal and should be treated as such - not REWARDED. Besides, if we were to use your logic, children born to parents in prison, should then also be given prisoner numbers 🤷🏽♂
Mabhena nenza ngamasbomu now tell them the truth they zimbos with illegal parents in a foreign land nigerians do tge same by travelling to USA and trump us closing that tap
What does the Law states on children of illegal foreign nationals in that particular coutry? Mine is a question; not argument What does the Law of South Africa States on this subject?
Tjoo lobaba uyagula ufuna ini kangaka la e South Africa u are really fighting for the wrong things to save your Zimbabweans Botswana 🇧🇼 is waiting for you guys go and change their laws and leave South Africa in peace ✌️
Why do you all keep on comparing SA with USA, Canada or European countries instead of comparing SA with African countries, eg many African countries places immigrants in refuge camps, why don't you call those countries to do away with refuge camps and integrate asylum seekers into the economy of their countries as SA does, how can an African put another African in a refuge camps, SA does not have refuge camps like your countries, do away with refuge camps before calling S Africans to do more for your selfish interest.
Please stop this, we just canymt anymore. Just tell your kids the truth, no stress. Please guy, stop wanting the whole arm now, usuzosijwayela. We are not American, mxmm
Mr Mabhena, why are you undermining South Africans. Dont you consider yourself ungrateful and asking for more. South Africans and Zimbabweans can leave together but why do you want to change rules now
True the kids essue is mostly and often sidelined as tfar as permition is concerned some were raised here in sa with zep they did all schooling and finnished afterthat they dont apear to be falling in any permit even the clearifiy as to weather the can be waived or not never been said truely kids are side lined
You have been given help by SA you don't appreciate it SA is not your source God Almighty is your source. Why SA had to carry all this. Seek the face of God.
Why grant them citizenship? Bab' Mabhena please. We r guests here. Can we just do what we need and prepare our wagons for the great migration back to Plumtree. Please this land is not ours.
Excellent comment
@wazha1000 You are wiser than your leader, first time i hear such an excellent comment, keep it up👏👏👏you're a real patriot ❤❤❤
That is madness. South Africa is not USA. Stop that nonsense please
It's by blood not by land
@sothotswananews9599 🤣🤣🤣🤣Ai shame, u know foreigners, Trump has ban selected African countries from getting visa's. Nigerian was ban yesterday!!!!
Do you want our children and grand children to dispear without knowing where they came from.The child must know the father's roots and mother's roots.
I think Zimbabwe must do that not SA
Are you guys that disparate to be South Africans like really? I'm a proud Zimbabwean citizen but sir this is just nonsense when will you fight for freedom in our country while you busy with citizenship in South Africa you should be ashamed of yourself
@TiraKhumalo He doesn't have a backbone to fight for Zimbabwe but he wants to act important as a fake South African. Shame the S.A. women and logo's are fighting in the streets to protect their country, this is not a man!!!!
@matrix0085 I don't even know why he calls himself Cde
@TiraKhumalo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 AND people like him, give all the good legal foreign national a bad name. Honestly all these problem causes will leave. Many years legal foreign nationals and S.A. lived in peace, together we will send them home.
This guy must go for checkup, he is mad
Extremely mad.
@florencediallo8340 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, there's something wrong with guy, he needs help
Do you do these controversial topics for likes and traffic so that you can get a higher revenue for this video given that it is now towards Christmas and you need money to go home.
Their problem start there when they Merge SA with USA. Our immigration law are not the same. Hambani nozalela e USA to get you children being accommodated.
Why you wanna change laws of SA & not that of Zim? The parents should be responsible parents.
In zim they abide by law or immigrate yet that's their land
@KatMak01 Something I learnt about all the various men from the 53 countries, they do not a backbone and pair, in their country, but want to be Dicators in S.A. In S.A. the women and children have more guts to stand up against the S.A. GOVT!!!! NOW WE KNOW WHY THEIR 53 GOVT THINKS THEY A JOKE!!!! IN Zim that govt is giving white farmers Billions all Zim people do is want to play pretend S.A.CITIZENS
Floodgates will open for all pregnant women to enter SA to deliver their babies here.
Exactly cause thy always looking for loop holes in our constitution in order to benefits from South Africa....uyabheda lo...next thing those parents will think they also have a right to citizenship because their kids have been granted citizenship
Those children are not a South African problem
You always ask people to respect the laws of their host country. RSA allows such children to apply for citizenship if they have stayed in RSA for an unbroken period of 18 years, once they reach the age of 18. This is not the US. Why are you always asking the country to change its laws to suit you and if you don't get your way you take the government to court. You are doing what you have dismally failed to do in your own country, i.e. take the illegitimate Zimbo regime to court. RSA is a sovereign country as you always state. You are opening the floodgates here. Once children get citizenship, next will be parents applying for citizenship based on their children's citizenship. And on and on it goes until all the brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles and aunts can piggyback on the same citizenship.
Go give birth in Botswana.
Tshelani izingane Zenu amaqiniso. Ukuthi your documents were obtained through fraud. You are not SAn.
Like 1000 %
Please stop embarassing us.We can not continue to force ourselves on a country that we never helped to build.South Africa belongs to South Africans.
Only children born to foreigners who reside legally in South Africa and are contributing positively to the growth should be granted citizenship.I am Zimbabwean and i do not want to lose my Zimbabweaness.
You need to tell South Africans how that will benefit them
Ah the truth from a Zimbabwean,power brother
@@jamesgordonphiri362 very true. Did you see how we loved and rooted for Sakhi Dube in miss Universe❤️❤️❤️ because she is a proud Zimbabwean
Are you saying South Africa must change its Laws? It is the parents responsibility to educate their children. Now you're off line.
I have a son who study here til matric and was very good at soccer after matric it was painful to see him dreaming big on his career so the best was going home at have everything he deserves and is happy there playing soccer without being asked for a permit
Well that is his home not SA ,WE WILL ASK FOR PERMITS HERE IF NEED BE.
Good for him.
At least we gave him education.
As Zimbabweans let's learn to appreciate what South Africa has offered us so far. I think we are now too demanding, the South African economy is already suppressed by a higher number of population. Hayi what more do we want kanti, let's go home and fight our own battles. We can't face our own government but here we are making demands 😅😅😅. Imagine if tables were turned, would Zimbabwe allow such requests. Hayi kabi, umuntu akunikeze isandla wena usufuna ingalo yonke
Smart guy
Usuyadakwa manje
Kakhulu, 😂😂
Udakwe Finish and klaar.
Good for you they belong to where their parents belong. Why is that our problem, it is the problem of their parents. Who are lying to their them. So the people to be blamed are their parents
Mabena go n change the laws in zim. U ran away to come here n make noise. Voetsek
Let's see if Mnangagwa can grant children born to illegal immigrants citizenship. You guys really like to take advantage of South Africa 's hospitality and you wouldn't expect the same in your own country of origin
Please don't make us force You to go home before time
Go tell Mnangagwa this nonsense
Do not agree. The parents need to tell their children that though they are born is SA they are not SAans. You want to create more chaos than you have already created. Please just give SA a break, you making so many demands you don’t even make in your own countries.
Tseeeeek wena kwerekwere SA is no longer under ANC phambili GNU mgodoyi
Phambiiiiliiiiii
I think we should now vote for DA and FF -Plus. This rubbish happening is too much now.
I just said that yesterday at church, we need law and order😂😂😂😂😂
True 💯💯💯💯
@@matrix0085 during Mbeki era we never experience this nonsense.
@rittah8161 Correct, that was when ANC members were men, and fearless. Now they mice....
@@matrix0085 I think this whole mess started with Zama. Some people took advantage of his educational background. That's why he gave Zimbabweans that ZEP
So this man is still here? I thought he,d be in Zim by now fixing his problems and facing Mnangangwa face to face
@@ManawaMamabolo he was deported 6 times.but he still come back
Mr. Mabhena, u must stop interfering in the internal affairs of SA. South afria is a sovereign country. As a politician, u should deal with the challenges of health care in the SADC region. What is needed is the solution to deal with the crumbling health sectors in some SADC member states. Promoting the illegality is not gonna solve afrca's problems. You might be testing waters, but what you are saying is gonna provoke the citizens of this country. You can't say the government of SA must consider amending some of the legislations to accommodate people who are illegal in this country.
Legenge ebukeka iphazamisekile ekhanda iyathanda ukuba serious 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You correct children don't decide where they are born but their parents do ...then don't bore children if you are illegal in a country
Uyanya
Unya nyi!!!!!
Where do SA fit? I think it's a responsibility of parents to tell their kids correct info that they don't belong here but to their parents countries to avoid Chidimma issues.
Nonsense..
Mabhena Onyanyiiiii,Soze mqundu.
Uyadakwa Mabhena hambani nezingane zenu akusizo izingane zalana in South Africa we have laws that we follow. Hambani e USA ikhona lapho abavuma le nonsense oyishoyo wena usuyasibhedela ngempela manje.
Uyasangana manje ...whos problem is it that they assume they are south african because they are born here? Dont make the problem of those parents our problem ....its their problem that they are undocumented. Hhayi bo savelelwa. Go and tell that to Mnangagwa
Unfortunately, that's not how things work. Citizenship It's not based on beliefs.😂😂😂😂
Mabhena are you out your mind??🙄🙄 Millions of Zimbabweans alone give birth in SA , i don't count other countries just Zimbabweans..so what is our country going to cope..Instead of teaching your pple to be proud citizens of their own countries, you're busy misleading them??
Can Zimbabwe copy the american constitution as you want SA to do.?
We cannot outsource the issues of illegal immigrants and their kids to the South African, it is wholly unfair. The South African government must be allowed to write immigration laws based on it's operating context and it's ambitions for the country and its citizens.
Mabhena as a parent be honest to your child. Tell them the truth it hurts but sometimes it is good thing to do. Tell them we as your parents we are illegal in the country. While I was in that the was a zep holder who gave birth to. A child and too the child to Zim now she want. The government to give the child a citizenship but they refused because the child was not even south Africa.
Mabahambe they have their home Zimbabwe please leave us in peace you want them to be South African, so what do you want us to do
Ey I'm not sure if you did think this through Mabhena. In Africa we believe in our roots and history as tribes. We say an apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And the English say, "Children are made readers in the laps of their parents". Parents are responsible for teaching children their ways and family history. No child will ever think they are something they are not unless the parents hide the truth from them. A chinese born in South Africa will still be chinese and their parents must teach them chinese ways for him/her to have an identity.
What is the process for those born here by documented parents to get citizenship
You want to give us chidima headache again mabhena the law of the republic doesn’t allow that.just respect our laws please why you want our country so bad.what is u agenda where thier parents come from they have their own country.
France is organised la we will have you nizala ngathi nidakiwe nooooo
Mabhena as always you're using emotions as logic to make a point - at no point did you mention what exactly does the South African law say and how exactly does the South African law come about. You're not saying what happens then to the illegal alien parents once the child or children are legal in South Africa. You always omit to mention that WE South Africans vote for the lawmakers for the benefit and the future of OUR children and country and OUR lawmakers make laws on OUR behalf, not on behalf of criminals - we must never, under no circumstances REWARD bad behavior, worse - criminal activity. Once you're in the country illegally, you're engaged in illegal, you're a criminal and should be treated as such - not REWARDED. Besides, if we were to use your logic, children born to parents in prison, should then also be given prisoner numbers 🤷🏽♂
uyanya wena Golo lenja.
Why are you fosting to be SAfrican why are you misleading Zimbabweans and this is not USA in SAfrica we've got our laws
Mabhena nenza ngamasbomu now tell them the truth they zimbos with illegal parents in a foreign land nigerians do tge same by travelling to USA and trump us closing that tap
How nice it would be here if you were talking about how you guys will fight your govt, get your dignity back. Waze wangizasula man.
u must b investigated wiyh caution
😂😂😂With caution
Stop comparing SA with US
You are mad.
What does the Law states on children of illegal foreign nationals in that particular coutry?
Mine is a question; not argument
What does the Law of South Africa States on this subject?
So yinkinga kabani leyo?
Truth kids don't know hate.parents teach them to hate.
This is not hate. It's THE LAW.
Tjoo lobaba uyagula ufuna ini kangaka la e South Africa u are really fighting for the wrong things to save your Zimbabweans Botswana 🇧🇼 is waiting for you guys go and change their laws and leave South Africa in peace ✌️
Iqiniso liyababa. Dank wena wamanguni kuzolunga
Kuzolunga kuphi lana eSouth Africa uyanya ubaleka iZimbambwe uzofuna izinto zase SA niyahluleka kulungisa ilizwe lenu nonke noMabgena
Why do you all keep on comparing SA with USA, Canada or European countries instead of comparing SA with African countries, eg many African countries places immigrants in refuge camps, why don't you call those countries to do away with refuge camps and integrate asylum seekers into the economy of their countries as SA does, how can an African put another African in a refuge camps, SA does not have refuge camps like your countries, do away with refuge camps before calling S Africans to do more for your selfish interest.
Please stop this, we just canymt anymore. Just tell your kids the truth, no stress. Please guy, stop wanting the whole arm now, usuzosijwayela. We are not American, mxmm
Mr Mabhena, why are you undermining South Africans.
Dont you consider yourself ungrateful and asking for more.
South Africans and Zimbabweans can leave together but why do you want to change rules now
Mr mabhena ama wever akhona amaphumi why's
It will never never happen....Wena mkhulu yr obsessed with SA
😂😂😂😂 Desperation is higher, actually it's on extreme yooooo. 😂😂😂 this guy yooooo
😂😂😂
They are South Africans maybe the government can just limit their benefits. This is sad 😔
tHEY WILL NEVER BE SOUTH AFRICANS
They are not our citizens please read our migration laws
True the kids essue is mostly and often sidelined as tfar as permition is concerned some were raised here in sa with zep they did all schooling and finnished afterthat they dont apear to be falling in any permit even the clearifiy as to weather the can be waived or not never been said truely kids are side lined
Special when their parents were here illegal
Special when their parents were here illegal
They must go home to zim. Please don't complicate a simple issue.
this is touching, i have been wondering about this even us as parents we been in this ZEP situation for a long time
You have been given help by SA you don't appreciate it SA is not your source God Almighty is your source. Why SA had to carry all this. Seek the face of God.
Go home, and build a country for your children to inherit. No politician in South African owes you and your children citizenship.
You're truly a cursed and failed nation, with that kind of thinking... I give up on you guys.
U r mad