Now I know that the RV industry is a real money maker for shops all over the country but downright robbery is shameful! I've worked in the repair business many years ago and found that there's enough work out there with out being a crook. The auto and RV industry is not perfect and things break and wear out without our help. I'm with you, it's down right shameful how people get robbed. Some that say they fixed things have in fact created a safety issue, from bad brakes to shocks and springs just holing on. Even though RV people have a good amount of money, stealing it from them is not right! These crooks should be brought to justice.
I'm an industrial mechanic. The way things are today, I really don't think the shop purposely tried to defraud this guy. It's more likley that they don't have anyone that knows what they're doing. There is a massive shortage of knowledgable mechanics in the US today. Especially with older equipment.
Is it just code interpretation at this point? My mechanical skills go as far as me working on our daily drivers. I immediately knew the noise was an exhaust leak.
I dont know why people go to these shops...EPIC FAIL. Mr owner i too own a prevost with 8V92. If i need something major ill be going to scott and noboy else! been a patreon member since 2021! Its good insurance!❤
I have seen this valve covers warped and those hold Downn puck crushed and losing hold Down pressure. I knew your an excellent mechanic, but I would check blow by with a manometer. When I worked at greyhound Seattle, we had a board with various pressure gauges, Mercury and water manometer on it.
Nice bus. Great engine needed some TLC. Dd shop you need a rebuild, 19k. Shop said the chassis is leaking. You said their head is leaking. Spend as much as you can to get to bus grease monkey without spending more than the quote lol. That chassis leaking was a real thing for my Chevy Blazer. They put in a wrong oil filter, watched it overnight and Said my chassis is leaking due to the remote oil filter. The next day drive it down the block blew out the oil filter and blue the engine. This was a mechanic shop. The phone call went to the carwash that performed the oil change and they said another one. They do oil changes to. But are not a registered motor vehicle repair shop in my state. They are allowed to change the oil. They messed up. They had a junkyard engine put in and broke my fuel spider contractor clip. I had to get a new one. I wish I just changed the oil and did what my mechanic recommended not someone who knew nothing about cars. Nice video love to see the next fix.
we were in the path of totality here in buffalo, Ny, the view was obscured by heavy cloud cover.nevertheless we experienced , dusk, midnight , to sunrise and daylight in 4 minutes
Scott, do you know anything about the 1974 MCI Greyhound that they found in the Netherlands? It was used as the tour bus for 1970's disco band Boney M. Unfortunately I only have a Dutch language article as a source, but supposedly the current owner is restoring it and sourcing his parts and knowledge from the US. I immediately thought of you.
Dam I wish more mechanics where as honest as you. I've had to learn my own vehicals due to mechanics making up false stories on things needing replacments. I've also had enough of dishonest mechanics that leave you with very pricey surprizes at the end of the bill.
Nice work and you did ethical work when other thieves tried to rob this poor guy blind. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! I wanna know, WHY DIDN'T HE!?
@@crashandburngaming5103 I use capitals, on occasion, when wanting to make a point. Who in the computer world decided that it meant yelling? I couldn't care less what computer gods think about the use of CAPITAL LETTERS. I'd be more concerned about the crooks who told the guy he needed a new engine. They should have given that shop a nice "plug", including the address.
ITS SO NICE TO SEE A BUS THAT DONT LOOK LIKE A DUSTBIN ALL DENTS AND DULL LOOKING ALUMINIUM. ENGINE BAY DONT LOOK TO BAD . WHATS IT LOOK LIKE INSIDE . I BET ITS AS LOVEY CONDITION IN SIDE . BUT ALAS WE WAS FOR SOME RESON WE NO SEE😣😣😣😣
Exhaust leaks on a DD8V92TA really kill performance. Been there, done that. I also had a performance issue due to the failure of the rubber hose that runs from the intake manifold to the turbo pressure sensor module (DDEC II). When we tried to remove the hose to replace it, it crumbled in our hands. If the DDEC II cannot detect the intake manifold pressure, it will seriously derate the engine power. It really is a great engine when everything is working correctly.
do yall know there is a mci 9(iirc) in west palm beach the guy started to do a conversion and ran out of money and time and now he just needs it gone, he's paying rent on storage
It probably has cruise control. They set them up that when using cruise control and ddec is controlling everything, it will allow high horsepower. Take it off of cruise and it will derate it up to 50 hp.
That would be shown on the spec plate. Is a bi mode engine. I had a Series 60 Detroit that was a bi-mode engine 370/430. 370hp on the pedal, 430hp on the cruise. 12.7 l built in 2000. 😊
@@carlbernard4197 That is a parameter that can be set by the owner also., with the right program. It is an incentive for fuel economy. If an operator is foot heavy and using fuel at a higher rate than the owner wants, they can be derated. I've worked on mostly fleet owned coaches. It would specify in the order sheet and on the program inside the DDEC. Factory trained by Detroit, Cummins,Cat, etc.
They just don’t want to work on them ,so they give you a stupid price. It’s crazy how some shops just tell you that you need a full rebuild, right out of the gate.
Most of those engine, Cummins also, are plug and play. On power up if it see the sensor then something goes wrong it logs a fault. That is why they can run. I bring back coaches all the time with the vanner coolant level sensor unplugged. Can't fix it in place and it saves a huge tow bill. As long as your keeping an eye on the coolant temp than it's good to go. Let's be realistic. Unless it was a high end coach they didn't have a sensor there until the late 90's and some later than that. I think it was ddec 4 before they had it.
I have a Prevost H3-40 VIP conversion. 1991 MY, left the factory in August 1990. It has a DD8V92-TA built in late 1989. It has a coolant level sensor. I doubt that Prevost added that, so presumably a standard (optional?) feature for this engine at that time.
@@brucefay5126 MCI-9 with the 6v92 made in the early 80's had coolant level sensors in the upper reservoir. That controlled a fill pump. Guess what the Detroit series 50 and 60's from mid 90's thru the 2000's had it also.the newest MCI's running Cummings have the same system. All MCI installed and controlled. The Cummins has a sensor that monitors it but controls nothing. Even right now on the newest gillig it is a vanner control box that runs the low coolant shutdown through the PLC system. The engine ecm's Monitor temp and can over ride the cooling fan speed to cool the coolant temp and CAC temp. Then install a fire system and it will shutdown the fan to low speed to keep from "fanning", the fire. I can go through Eagle, and older new flyer and Gillig coaches were the same. We added some to gillig with DDEC 4. On fire commander it can be overruled when fighting fires. Only the high pressure water pump will shutdown the engine. KC metro in Seattle doesn't even put a temp gauge on the dash for the operator. They don't want a shutdown on a bridge to back up traffic. Run it tell it blows! Unless it has a Detroit part number, wiring going to the ecm and has protocols written in for low coolant shutdown, then it ain't Detroit. I didn't say it wasn't possible but it wasn't common. As you can see in the video, that is a stand alone system that probably turns on a light and buzzer and then cuts power to the ecm.
@@brucefay5126 That box was probably made by vanner, as they Make most monitoring and control boxes that are stand alone. Coolant, voltage, switching, etc. The hybrid drive allision use vanner boxes for the Alternator less charging systems. I can into our parts room and grab three different low coolant control modules. Detroit. Cummins. And gillig. All the same, all interchangeable, all made by vanner.
@@BusGreaseMonkey I guess I was thinking more of the series 60 That they were sticking in the ones pretty much since like the late 90s I got so many different incarnations Ddec 3, 4, etc I should have just said engines post 2000
NICE WORK ON THE OIL LEAKS AND EXHURST LEAKS ,WHAT A BAD WORK SHOP THAT SAID HE NEEDED A REBUILD. I BET THE REPAIRS YOU MADE WAS 1/20 OF THE BAD WORK SHOP WHERE A FULL REBUILD COULD BE AWEEK AND HALF.
I had to have an exhaust manifold replaced. The shop that did the work (DD in Detroit/Dearborn, MI) had a source of used ones just down the street. They went through the pile and found one that was serviceable, cleaned it up and installed it. Has worked well ever since. I was told at the time that there were not any new ones in stock. If I wanted (or needed) a new one, it would have to be cast, take many months to get, and cost big bucks. I don’t know if that was true, but I’m glad I did not have to find out. I did have to have a cylinder head replaced some years later. It took a while to get the new one, but it was available. Pricey, of course, but limited options at that point.
I agree, if you tear down a diesel, you should be able to guarantee that engine will be brand new and perfect. Maybe you should just be honest and not simply say it needs to be rebuilt. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
A broken exhaust manifold and oil leak aren't an indication of a poorly maintained coach. On engines this old, things break, unfortunately this was a job bigger than I could handle myself.
Now I know that the RV industry is a real money maker for shops all over the country but downright robbery is shameful! I've worked in the repair business many years ago and found that there's enough work out there with out being a crook. The auto and RV industry is not perfect and things break and wear out without our help. I'm with you, it's down right shameful how people get robbed. Some that say they fixed things have in fact created a safety issue, from bad brakes to shocks and springs just holing on. Even though RV people have a good amount of money, stealing it from them is not right! These crooks should be brought to justice.
I'm an industrial mechanic. The way things are today, I really don't think the shop purposely tried to defraud this guy. It's more likley that they don't have anyone that knows what they're doing. There is a massive shortage of knowledgable mechanics in the US today. Especially with older equipment.
Is it just code interpretation at this point? My mechanical skills go as far as me working on our daily drivers. I immediately knew the noise was an exhaust leak.
I’ve been watching Scott’s channel for years and never had any interest in Busses. Now I don’t miss an episode.
I dont know why people go to these shops...EPIC FAIL. Mr owner i too own a prevost with 8V92. If i need something major ill be going to scott and noboy else! been a patreon member since 2021!
Its good insurance!❤
日本からです
日本も1960年頃から1975年頃まで4-71
6-71 8v71を日産ディーゼルでライセンス生産をして、バスに搭載していました
素晴らしいサウンド、高馬力の゙素晴らしいエンジンでした!
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Nice work, I struggle to comprehend how our Detroit shop can say it needed a complete rebuild that quickly! Cheers Drew
god i love the sounds of detroits and brings back memories of my fire dept days
I have seen this valve covers warped and those hold Downn puck crushed and losing hold Down pressure.
I knew your an excellent mechanic, but I would check blow by with a manometer.
When I worked at greyhound Seattle, we had a board with various pressure gauges, Mercury and water manometer on it.
That is a beautifully maintained coach. On the outside.
It’s amazing the shops that are there to Hoze you and just generate money for themselves .auto ,truck,RV
That bus looks show room clean! They sure take fantastic care of it.
Great job on the grading of the road up the hill .
Damn! Came up the hill like Andretti the second time!😆
The wrap turned out great 👍🏼
That is one badass looking bus right there, very cool.
I got mad respect for you a guy your age working on buses like this? You gotta be tough as nails lol
Absolutely flew up your drive!!! That was fun!!!
That's a beautiful machine!
Honest wrenching, nice job guys!
Seems like you’re doing more Prevost coaches lately. Good money for good work. 👍
That’s a good trick with the Shop Vac.
Back in 1977 I travelled from Sydney to Perth and back by coach, it had a jimmy 8v92 and it sounded brilliant.
A round trip of approx 6 thousand miles
Another save. Great job guys!
The wrap turned out great))
That is a beautiful coach !
Never build complex like that here EPA code and zoning be all over yer &ss
Nice bus. Great engine needed some TLC.
Dd shop you need a rebuild, 19k.
Shop said the chassis is leaking.
You said their head is leaking.
Spend as much as you can to get to bus grease monkey without spending more than the quote lol.
That chassis leaking was a real thing for my Chevy Blazer. They put in a wrong oil filter, watched it overnight and Said my chassis is leaking due to the remote oil filter.
The next day drive it down the block blew out the oil filter and blue the engine. This was a mechanic shop.
The phone call went to the carwash that performed the oil change and they said another one. They do oil changes to. But are not a registered motor vehicle repair shop in my state. They are allowed to change the oil. They messed up.
They had a junkyard engine put in and broke my fuel spider contractor clip. I had to get a new one.
I wish I just changed the oil and did what my mechanic recommended not someone who knew nothing about cars.
Nice video love to see the next fix.
Cylinder liners make great door stops!
All that extra boost triggered the new leaks, as the engine sweated power it hasn't had!
Nice eclipse shot!
Always, always, its the little things that matter. A little love and parts and away it goes again.
No windsheild wiper arms? Or did I miss see that? LOve Vids good work saving people money and giving good advice.....Be safe ...Carry On!
Certainly strains climbing the drive way , audible missing sound from the sick 8 92, might be flanges leaking too
Hey Scott, get a stud remover/installation set… They make messing with those so easy!
Well Scott, you can wear the title "El Jefe" too.😁
Great eclipse footage!
Good to see Lenny under cover
Nice looking bus
we were in the path of totality here in buffalo, Ny, the view was obscured by heavy cloud cover.nevertheless we experienced , dusk, midnight , to sunrise and daylight in 4 minutes
Scott, do you know anything about the 1974 MCI Greyhound that they found in the Netherlands? It was used as the tour bus for 1970's disco band Boney M. Unfortunately I only have a Dutch language article as a source, but supposedly the current owner is restoring it and sourcing his parts and knowledge from the US. I immediately thought of you.
Dam I wish more mechanics where as honest as you. I've had to learn my own vehicals due to mechanics making up false stories on things needing replacments. I've also had enough of dishonest mechanics that leave you with very pricey surprizes at the end of the bill.
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My spell check don't work so get over it
Good job
Remind me of the Little Dutch boy that held his finger in the dike
Daauumn good work!
Saludo de Uruguay ❤
Great occupation; kids should start getting trade skill(s) like this.
Crooks would have stolen your money. Shame on that shop.
Geez, that is a big bus!
Lots of shops ripping people off. Love the videos. Good job Bus Grease Monkey.
Ahhhhh much more gooder!
🙂Good catch you guys i even said its a exzaust leak from some where the engine and trans sound strong you would think a mechanic would have heard that
*Exhaust
keep the clips coming
Check the oil pressure sender unit, they sometimes leak once the sensor gets hot.
The name says it all it's been El Jeffed
Nice work and you did ethical work when other thieves tried to rob this poor guy blind. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! I wanna know, WHY DIDN'T HE!?
So yelling about something that’s not your problem, or business is pretty rude.
@@crashandburngaming5103 I use capitals, on occasion, when wanting to make a point. Who in the computer world decided that it meant yelling? I couldn't care less what computer gods think about the use of CAPITAL LETTERS. I'd be more concerned about the crooks who told the guy he needed a new engine. They should have given that shop a nice "plug", including the address.
On an 8V92 you'll always have a slight oil leak somewhere. That's the nature of the 8v series Detroits.
If I could just find a second hand trailer that shows your speed it would be a great addition to the hill climb
ITS SO NICE TO SEE A BUS THAT DONT LOOK LIKE A DUSTBIN ALL DENTS AND DULL LOOKING ALUMINIUM. ENGINE BAY DONT LOOK TO BAD . WHATS IT LOOK LIKE INSIDE . I BET ITS AS LOVEY CONDITION IN SIDE . BUT ALAS WE WAS FOR SOME RESON WE NO SEE😣😣😣😣
Sounds healthy to me.
much much better
So many bad shops out there. Thank goodness he found you!
Exhaust leaks on a DD8V92TA really kill performance. Been there, done that. I also had a performance issue due to the failure of the rubber hose that runs from the intake manifold to the turbo pressure sensor module (DDEC II). When we tried to remove the hose to replace it, it crumbled in our hands. If the DDEC II cannot detect the intake manifold pressure, it will seriously derate the engine power. It really is a great engine when everything is working correctly.
A mechanical engine you get lots of black smoke (unburned fuel) but the ddec limits the fuel delivery by boost pressure detected.
Would you recommend washing the engine compartment, so you can spot leaks easier and easier to fix stuff?
awesome bus, can you tell me the products to use to clean and shine the silver parts
do yall know there is a mci 9(iirc) in west palm beach the guy started to do a conversion and ran out of money and time and now he just needs it gone, he's paying rent on storage
Do you have any contact information about it?
Found one in upstate ny also for sale. Guy is asking 10,000 and has started to convert it to an rv.
i replied before the bus i saw was in boca raton on facebook marketplace as of this morning its still up 1994 mci 12 free
The block is overheated or poorly maintained and thus goofed. Needs a machine shop repair..
THATS A NICE BUS. SOME OF THEM BELTS FLAP ABOUT AS IF THAY ARE ABOUT TO COME OFF 😂😂
Right? Pretty normal but quite a surprise if you're coming from the automotive world.
@@mediocreman2 NO JUST NOT FROM THE BUS OR AGRICULTURAL SECTOR .
Saved 15000...😮
It probably has cruise control. They set them up that when using cruise control and ddec is controlling everything, it will allow high horsepower.
Take it off of cruise and it will derate it up to 50 hp.
That would be shown on the spec plate. Is a bi mode engine. I had a Series 60 Detroit that was a bi-mode engine 370/430. 370hp on the pedal, 430hp on the cruise. 12.7 l built in 2000. 😊
@@carlbernard4197
That is a parameter that can be set by the owner also., with the right program. It is an incentive for fuel economy. If an operator is foot heavy and using fuel at a higher rate than the owner wants, they can be derated.
I've worked on mostly fleet owned coaches. It would specify in the order sheet and on the program inside the DDEC.
Factory trained by Detroit, Cummins,Cat, etc.
I live in Orlando. This sounds typical for a Stealership.
sounds sick alright, like its dying.
I enjoy the videos though I an a mechanical ignoramus. Where are the windshield wipers?
They just don’t want to work on them ,so they give you a stupid price. It’s crazy how some shops just tell you that you need a full rebuild, right out of the gate.
That's a 1992 Prevost . Volvo made those in Canada
Most of those engine, Cummins also, are plug and play. On power up if it see the sensor then something goes wrong it logs a fault.
That is why they can run.
I bring back coaches all the time with the vanner coolant level sensor unplugged. Can't fix it in place and it saves a huge tow bill.
As long as your keeping an eye on the coolant temp than it's good to go.
Let's be realistic. Unless it was a high end coach they didn't have a sensor there until the late 90's and some later than that.
I think it was ddec 4 before they had it.
I have a Prevost H3-40 VIP conversion. 1991 MY, left the factory in August 1990. It has a DD8V92-TA built in late 1989. It has a coolant level sensor. I doubt that Prevost added that, so presumably a standard (optional?) feature for this engine at that time.
@@brucefay5126
MCI-9 with the 6v92 made in the early 80's had coolant level sensors in the upper reservoir. That controlled a fill pump.
Guess what the Detroit series 50 and 60's from mid 90's thru the 2000's had it also.the newest MCI's running Cummings have the same system. All MCI installed and controlled. The Cummins has a sensor that monitors it but controls nothing. Even right now on the newest gillig it is a vanner control box that runs the low coolant shutdown through the PLC system. The engine ecm's Monitor temp and can over ride the cooling fan speed to cool the coolant temp and CAC temp. Then install a fire system and it will shutdown the fan to low speed to keep from "fanning", the fire.
I can go through Eagle, and older new flyer and Gillig coaches were the same.
We added some to gillig with DDEC 4.
On fire commander it can be overruled when fighting fires. Only the high pressure water pump will shutdown the engine.
KC metro in Seattle doesn't even put a temp gauge on the dash for the operator. They don't want a shutdown on a bridge to back up traffic. Run it tell it blows!
Unless it has a Detroit part number, wiring going to the ecm and has protocols written in for low coolant shutdown, then it ain't Detroit.
I didn't say it wasn't possible but it wasn't common.
As you can see in the video, that is a stand alone system that probably turns on a light and buzzer and then cuts power to the ecm.
@@brucefay5126
That box was probably made by vanner, as they Make most monitoring and control boxes that are stand alone.
Coolant, voltage, switching, etc.
The hybrid drive allision use vanner boxes for the Alternator less charging systems.
I can into our parts room and grab three different low coolant control modules. Detroit. Cummins. And gillig. All the same, all interchangeable, all made by vanner.
QUESTION: Can you provide me the source of the RUBBER SEAL on the bottom of the SWING DOORS? THANKS.
Are you working on the ddec series electrionic Detroits now Scott too?
Or still just 2 cycles?
The 92 ddec is a 2 stroke.
@@BusGreaseMonkey I guess I was thinking more of the series 60
That they were sticking in the ones pretty much since like the late 90s
I got so many different incarnations Ddec 3, 4, etc
I should have just said engines post 2000
NICE WORK ON THE OIL LEAKS AND EXHURST LEAKS ,WHAT A BAD WORK SHOP THAT SAID HE NEEDED A REBUILD.
I BET THE REPAIRS YOU MADE WAS 1/20 OF THE BAD WORK SHOP WHERE A FULL REBUILD COULD BE AWEEK AND HALF.
Can you get new exhaust manifolds or do you have to find good used ones?
I had to have an exhaust manifold replaced. The shop that did the work (DD in Detroit/Dearborn, MI) had a source of used ones just down the street. They went through the pile and found one that was serviceable, cleaned it up and installed it. Has worked well ever since. I was told at the time that there were not any new ones in stock. If I wanted (or needed) a new one, it would have to be cast, take many months to get, and cost big bucks. I don’t know if that was true, but I’m glad I did not have to find out. I did have to have a cylinder head replaced some years later. It took a while to get the new one, but it was available. Pricey, of course, but limited options at that point.
What about having that transmission looked at while the engine is out??
Is that a twin under the outside cover?
What happens when it rains? no wipers?
So what did the dye in the oil find? Where was the leak?
What are the torque numbers on a beast like that?
No wiper blades?
Does it not have windshield wipers?
It does, they were removed when I had the bus wrapped. I forgot to reinstall prior to this trip.
How long is that Prevost? Its huge!
45 feet long.
This is my Prevost. It's 40' long.
@@dom_rod_official657 Beautiful RV, great looking and now well maintained. Keep on truckin!
those belts need to be tightened or replaced.
What is "dom rod official"???
Just wondering does he have 2 alternators on his bus
Yes I do.
$19k and NO GAURANTEE ................ are they smoking crack at that so called "Detroit" workshop ? Far out !
I agree, if you tear down a diesel, you should be able to guarantee that engine will be brand new and perfect. Maybe you should just be honest and not simply say it needs to be rebuilt. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
..Scott, if busses get any wider, you will need a new door...
14’ wide door openings but the dang mirrors stick out a lot. Hitting the opening in the middle is crucial to the success
Maybe I missed it but why wouldn't you just go ahead & let the coolant drain out & just refill it? It can't cost that much money to refill it, can it?
It holds 22 gallons
I didn't see any windshield wipers.
He just had a vinyl wrap put on the bus. They removed the arms temporarily. He has them
@@BusGreaseMonkey Thanks....I was wondering if there were some wipers hidden somewhere and I didn't see them.
Tank engine
When is he getting propane injection installed ?
:o ?
no need for it now that the TA is TAing.
Fix oil leaks? Its a detroit. If its not leaking its empty😂
Loose alternator belt😮
ezpz fix
Ok scott, my wife wants to know if Jonathon is Dutch! (The boy that put his finger in the dike)
That would be Hans Brinker, but perhaps Jonathan is a descendant of his 😁
You mean sick bad, not sick vroom vroom
No A/C
The best looking buses are some of the worst maintained buses.
Haha, my cars felt that comment. I have two 20 year old cars that look great from ten feet away. But they have old-age mechanical issues.
A broken exhaust manifold and oil leak aren't an indication of a poorly maintained coach. On engines this old, things break, unfortunately this was a job bigger than I could handle myself.