Zoe is a contestant that deserves a huge apology. She didn’t want to sing a Pink song but the people from The X factor told her to sing a Pink song. Disgusting that the judges and producers lied and made her look crazy when she was right all along.
@@shizzlemywizzle1 True . Like it’s so sad how we live in a world when entertainment is just Bullying, Harassment , failure , rejection, and Straight Up embarrassment. And so mean
When you realize the winners of these shows sign a contract that’s basically a prison sentence, it makes so much more sense by the fan faves end up being more successful than the winners
No its even worse than this. Id gladly sign a prison sentence contract thats nothing. This is not the issue. The problem is the people who sign up don't get famous
Some people who didn’t win sign contracts that say they can’t release music for a curtain amount of time but yea the one that did win often don’t get famous especially on the voice.
Wow the fact that they don't pay the contestants at all is honestly the most disgusting part. Ariana grande literally made around 25 MILLION dollars for one season. And I'm wondering, they could've "just" given her 20 million and could have given 250.00 (!!!!) dollars to EVERY performer. It's honestly fucked up
That's really messed up.. you made me realise how unfair it is. 25 MILLION and the contestants get nothing. What's the cash prize for that season, if there's any?
hectzen23 idk if this is about the voice, but I'm pretty sure the winner gets a prize of $100,000--and the tv contestants get an "allowance" for the episodes they're on. I heard this all from google, so it may be wrong!
@@hectzen23 a perdiem is like when you charge the company for everything- like some companies give their workers $50 a day for food or transport...I bet their only perdiem was food and board
aye, storytime (very shortened) I was an aspiring singer. ended up being asked to addition for the X Factor with a friend (we were in a group) and we went through three stages of auditioning for the judges, and got to the live auditions (with Simon and the rest). We spent 12 hours waiting, kept having to do interviews, no food, stress to the max just waiting. then they kept delaying our slot and I could feel that something was off. But being young, and not yet realising the importance of listening to that Gut feeling, I still went on stage. They played the wrong song, stopped us in like 5 seconds and proceeded to embarrass us by saying that we would have to break up because we are not "on the same level". they told us to go backstage to "talk about it" (we were completely mic ed up) and then two of the judges came to hug us, which was clearly a PR thing, and something that the producers asked them to do. It was so fucked up. I am still traumatised from it- spending that day in constant stress and uncertainty and then to be humiliated, and to realise that it was all PLANNED from the beginning. because they didn't care for actual music or talent or friendship, but about creating drama and ratings. I haven't sung since. The music industry is full of devils. I have a lot of stories, my own (with producers and studio engineers) as well as other people. And the people at the top are all complicit, including your fave singers (because they don't speak up about it, because their career advancement matters more than sticking up to people being mistreated or abused.)
I am so sorry you had to go through that - it's disgusting that they would do this to people, especially kids/young people. I hope one day you can heal from it and sing again (if that's something you want to do, not even as like a professional but just for fun?)
I’m so sorry you had to deal with the most toxic and exploitative part of the music industry. Don’t let them ruin your love of music and singing though. Pursue your love of music with independent creators and labels. There’s some good people out there that genuinely love music.
For people asking why they don't see the contestants from the show ( mostly from the voice ) make it big after the show, melanie martinez after she was eliminated, she talked about it once in an interview that record labels don't want people from competition shows, she was just lucky enough to be signed into Atlantic Records, it means you literally just have to be lucky enough to continue your persuit in music.
Americas Next Top Model apparently had this same issue, where fashion designers wouldnt view the contestants as 'serious models'. Theyre also kind of just left to naviagate the industry with no supports post show. Ru Pauls Drag Race actually does this well, where contestants WILL book conventions, WOW web series, and world tours which extends their 15 minutes into legitimate fame. This makes the show more popular because you are actually watching people 'get discovered'
@@dylankennedy4539 Interesting. This is similar for project runway. Despite the designers being talented, most of them struggle to make it big simply because they were on a competition show about fashion. I hate to see that because they have so much talent, yet it goes unrecognized.
There an interesting phenomenon where in the Swedish version of American Idol, the participants that actually take off as independent musicians typically come in second of third place while the winners just disappears after a while.
The back stories always get me. "Samantha sometimes can't find her favorite cereal." "George was born at midnight on Christmas Eve in 1999. His mother died in childbirth. His dad died two seconds later. He was raised by his then two year old sister and the family cat. His sister died yesterday when her cruise ship sank. It was her wedding day. George was the only survivor. He walked here just to sing and follow his dreams."
Well it's really not that difficult to find people who have faced hardships in life for these shows. People with white privilege don't need these shows.
I remember seeing that clip of Zoe and wondering how people could laugh at it, didn't her "breakdown" basically start with "but YOU GUYS were the ones who told me I had to do a Pink song"? and the judges basically gaslit her by saying "what are you talking about?"
In all fairness the judges were probably slightly confused as well. The producers were the ones who set it up. Sometimes it even feels like the judges are set up like the contestants. Also, I think Zoe mentions that Nicole Scherzinger was actually somewhat respectful towards her and was edited negatively in post production.
I think it was painted to be like she was blaming the judges for her song choice bus they did say she looks like pink, and like the video said, they tried to make her seem like a crazy person who blame others. so it's not rlly weird that a lot of ppl bought it, that's why it's so messed up. and I'm not even sure if the judges was in on it too, maybe Simon but not the other judges.
I'm confused by zoe's reaction, because even with editing, it's clear she was wrecking havoc backstage (tho the horror music being played didn't help). Does she have anger issues, or was she distressed? Why did her father have to be calming her down? Why did she rage at the cameras instead of hiding her face or something?
by the way, The Voice also wasn’t created by US, but actually The Netherlands. it started as The Voice Of Holland and after that the other countries followed, the program was created by John De Mol who also created Big Brother.
i was literally thinking today about how we do not have any organic girlbands/boybands anymore, they literally only came from singing competitions. our minds must be connected
By all accounts, there are barely any organic girl groups and/or boy bands. Most of them are manufactured by a big record label or producer to begin with: the Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Spice Girls... It's just that their creation wasn't televised in a competition show like it was with the likes of One Direction, Fifth Harmony, or even Girls Aloud. 98° is one of the few organic boy bands I can think of.
organic pop groups also aren’t common anymore because of the budget needed to get their careers going. you *can* get together with your friends and start a group, but who’s gonna pay for a rehearsal space, dance/vocal coaching, costumes, photographers/videographers, marketing, or professional producers? people seek entertainment companies or singing contests because they have access to all of these resources so it’s less of a risk than starting from nothing. all you need are marketable looks and a personality and they’ll build you into a star from the ground up. edit: just because these groups are formed by companies doesn’t mean that their bond isn’t genuine btw
People are always telling me, “oh you should go on The Voice and get famous!” Someone literally just said that to me TODAY! It’s like people think that is the only option for singers to do anything worthwhile in music these days. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Same, but then I drop a knowledge bomb about how it REQUIRES signing over your name, voice, face, socials, and career (especially if you win the record deals). People are always like 😳 "omg I had no idea!"
Which is insane because while The Voice and other singing shows have an audience, rarely does that translate into success from the show and the exposure it gives you. The winners or other notable contestants still put in sooo much of the groundwork, and as others said, you often times have to sign away rights to your name. What most people suggesting The Voice and other singing shows don't realize they're suggesting something that might bring a little instant gratification (with a lot of stress) with no longevity. Crazy.
When I was seventeen, I went to an audition of our country's American Idol, and I can confirm that it is actually an audition to get to the 'audition.' We spent eight hours basically waiting around until our number was called, only to sing in front of a video camera so the scouts and producers could pick out which person would be interesting enough to watch on TV. In the end, nobody from our region got picked. Probably because we were generally too provincial and not as flashy as the crowds from their bigger venues. It's a good thing I merely joined for fun. I got to spend the whole day with my mom and meet interesting performers. But I do feel bad for the one girl I met who traveled four hours from out of town. Her family even rented her a gorgeous costume even though they didn't have much. I do hope she's out there somewhere and finally singing her heart out before an audience.
No wonder you hardly ever seen any other vocal talent that isn't pop or country. (Unless there are some few examples, it's been a long time since I've seen American Idol.) Speaking of which I highly recommend you look up "american idol metal singer" because some of the auditions are funny.
99% of the people interviewed on the voice this season had a sob story it’s like they ask people who have a sad backstory like what about the people who have a happy backstory and are there too
Yeah. I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. They knew that most people were newcomers only watching for Ariana anyways, so maybe they did that as a desperate attempt to make it look like they care about the contestants.
@@prettierjesus3119 yea or just playing into the “person from a small town with a sad story becomes a star” idea. It works in movies but not when it’s forced into a show that’s supposed to be real
When I auditioned for the voice in my country we had to complete a form with questions like “what was the worst moment of your life” 🙄 I knew my story wasn’t interesting enough lol.
I auditioned for the X Factor whenever I was 13 and they have auditions where they film all the big long lines and stuff MONTHS before the actual celebrity judge auditions. You had to get through 4 rounds of producers before you could get the the celebrity judges. I've always tried to explain to people that its nothing like it looks on TV. Was honestly super disappointing as a child. I did make it to the round just before the TV/celebrity auditions though lol
First of all, impressive! Second of all if I may ask a question, were the producers you met looking for proper contestants and if so were they trained in singing/judging with professionals? I'm super curious.
That's awesome that you got so far, and maybe in a way was better that you didn't get on to the celebrity judging. I hope you still do a little of what got ya there!
@@-Desire to be honest, I only remember one girl that was a professional and she had apparently won on another singing show but I can't remember what it was. But thank you! :)
I saw several fans of Ari’s upset that none of her team members made it to the final, and this video just solidifies how much it didn’t/doesn’t matter anyway. She was brought on the show for views, plain and simple, and most likely wasn’t meant to have the winning contestant on her team anyway. She’s payed the most because she’s there solely to bring in views and make the show money. Didn’t care for her involvement on the show or for the show in the slightest, and as a long term fan of hers I honestly think she deserves better. But ANYWAY thank you for an enlightening video as always!!!
i also watched the whole season (and love ariana btw) though i have to admit that the fans and ariana herself just put the wrong people through to make it further (it’s confirmed by producers and ex contestants that it’s actually the coaches deciding and that the rounds after the contestants get to be on the show are very much real) and it was clear that with her team, she was never gonna be in the finale. she started off with a great team (bella, ryleigh, holly, raquel, …) but unfortunately went with the most inconsistent voices like ryleigh over good vocalists like raquel. she also praised jim & sasha up to the skies when they really weren‘t that good just cause she became friends with them and hung with them privately. it seemed like in comparison to the other coaches, she just let her emotions/newly made friendships overpower her strategies when choosing people to advance. and when america was voting, they did vote ariana‘s duo quite far, but they just vocally didn‘t stand a a chance against the others at one point cause they only got that far cause ariana kinda favored them to begin with. then in the instant saves, i‘m SO sure that holly or ryleigh could‘ve advanced with ariana fans’ votes but ariana apparently "trusted" them with their song choices (she said that) because she‘s too nice to say "no" and they ended up singing pitchy versions of "dangerous woman" and "because of you", two extremely hard songs while others chose a song that fit their voices wisely and weren‘t praised highly (and therefore given false confidence) by their coach each time they actually weren‘t that good. her fans were obviously upset but i‘m pretty sure deep down they knew that ariana made some questionable decisions over the span of the show that led her to that moment and that her top 8 team didn‘t stand a chance against the very good teams of the other coaches, who also made decisions based on vocal ability and strategy rather than friendships. this wasn’t planned cause she definitely could’ve made it with raquel or hailey but she let them go for whatever reason when it was still in her power. it wasn‘t at all like a zoe alexander story obviously, i said this in another comment, the Voice has never done things like that, jim & sasha were still nice to listen to but in comparison to actually outstanding vocalists just weren‘t good enough for the finale. but as you said, doesn‘t matter anyways cause sasha has now 200k followers and clearly established a friendship with ariana grande (if you watch her instagram stories) so he probably won already. btw, it‘s funny that you said that, cause i also thought that they brought in ariana for ratings and that there‘s gonna be SO many more people watching but honestly, comparing it to past seasons, not much changed in viewers! the last season precovid (coaches: kelly, gwen, john, blake) had almost the same amount of viewers in the US, then they dropped a little (mainly because of covid cause it was all filmed remotely) and now we‘re back again where we used to be. maybe cause a lot of ariana fans are international, i don‘t know, but she certainly didn‘t make a huge difference in ratings. and ariana also said that the best thing about the voice was the people she got to meet and the memories she got to make with them so it‘s a win-win-situation i guess.
@@lalalala4568 i agree with all of this, and the og comment. Honestly watching her cry on national live tv week after week was traumatizing for me as a fan and i hope she doesnt do this to herself again... Also proximity to ari has not proven to be of much help to other artists really, she truly outshines people so sasha will still have to prove himself to achieve fame
@@lalalala4568 Sasha and father duo wasn’t vocally the best it was kind of like ari was going by the personal relationship instead of the competition. She let go of the ones she actually had a shot with for the duo.
@@lalalala4568 this is a VERY good analysis and I think I agree with most of it! I think Ariana really came to have fun, meet new artists and get a big check. She didn’t seem to care much about winning, but instead cared about supporting the artists she loved. Which is a great thing if you ask me.
I genuinely hate the fact that there are "headhunters" for talent for these types of contests, but what bothers me the most is the fact that people scout talent just for them to be humiliated on live TV, it doesn't matter how good or bad they are. On my country's version of "America's Got Talent" a local choir I know was contacted by the production to take part in the audition process. They agreed because it was a paid gig and local choirs are often underfunded, so a paid gig is always good. A thing about this choir: they have been recognized as one of the best choirs of the area during competitions and their director was at the time the president of the European Association for Choir Singing (Europa Cantat, if you are interested). Auditions come, and despite them putting on an amazing show they get rejected. Which is fine honestly, they were not expecting to go on very further. The thing that stings the most was the fact that one of the judges (who is a famous local youtuber, he is a "comedian" and knows nothing about choir and coral music) started talking as a choir conoisseur and started pointing out inexistent mistakes, saying that the piece wasn't right for them (despite winning competitions with competent judges telling them otherwise) and giving them "advice". The cringiest thing I've ever watched in my entire life honestly.
it's so interesting to me that people actually enjoy these 'meltdown compilations' and stuff? I asked a friend about it once and she just said "well they're just funny and I kinda feel better about myself because I'm not like 'those' people?" idk I physically cannot watch these kinda segments because of the second hand embarrassment/empathy/cringe I go through every time :D I'm just in no way made to watch reality tv/competition shows like that BUT I learned a lot so thank youu
I like the ones where it’s obvious that the person auditioning is aware of how they’ll be portrayed and play into it. Especially since those compilations are so popular people know now that if they go on and are intentionally outrageous they’ll get a lot of screen time and those can be genuinely enjoyable, especially when the judges are so serious about it.
I agree about how the inclusion of "bad talent" is obviously meant to appeal to the worst in the audience. As a viewer you are meant to laugh at them. So whether that "contestant" did it willingly or not, the show is using them to play the fool for the audience's entertainment in a rather mean-spirited way. That such shows manipulate every circumstance so that these contestants are certain to make fools of themselves, regardless of whether they actually have enough talent to put on a credible performance or not, makes it all worse. I feel dirty and complicit when watching, like I have been part of a crowd watching somebody bully someone. It doesn't matter if the victim is a willing participant, happy for the attention, or not, the bullying and the laughing crowd is still unpleasant.
Darling you’re old fashioned like me. It’s low vibrational I don’t enjoy laughing at someone it’s better to laugh with someone I don’t like embarrassing people especially publicly or watching it. I honestly hate comparisons so I naturally don’t like these bad spirited competitions I’d rather watch Survivor
those compilations used to be my go to youtube videos as a kid, i kind of thought the same as your friend honestly. it made me feel better about myself -- i've always loved to sing, so i would think "i could do way better than them!" -- and while i found some situations to be sad or hard to watch, i thought others were pretty funny. i watched one of my old favorite compilations after many years as an older teenager and i was horrified. it felt so mean spirited and you can tell that so many of the people were misled in order to be in that situation.
I have been in the audience at X factor before with my mum and there would be a man who would come in between breaks and encourage us to cheer or boo at certain people. Also he said make sure you look good because we may use you in other shows. So this one show that I went to could edit me into the audience of multiple episodes.
Oohhh that's interesting. I always wondered about those super up-close moments of individual audience members. I also wondered, is the audience prompted to applaud a lot? These shows have so much applause!
It isn't specific to this show. It's been the industry standard for many TV shows that get filmed with live audiences present for decades. It's been acknowledged that it's like that in the U.S. and has been for a very long time. From personal experience it's like that in Britain, it's like that in France and probably in most countries.
I still think about how on the first day of high school, in 2003, my physics teacher straight up ditched us mid-introduction because the word got out that American Idol tryouts were in town, and she was never seen again.
I am really surprised to see how the same show can have completely different recording processes depending on the country. I am part of the 2021 "The Voice of Turkey" (O ses Türkiye) cast and every single audition and interaction with the production crew was actually genuine. The contracts are pretty basic, nothing abusive, producers are sooo ok with everything, there are no made up lines, we were always very comfortable, our families were treated nicely. I am really shocked watching this... Reality tv seems to be way more toxic in the US. I've never had any training before going to my blind audition, I have never had anybody styling my clothes except for one supervisor who sew my bra straps into my dress so it wouldn't fall off during the performance. I had no social media help, the judge who chose me to join her team was pretty present through the entire journey of the show and once I was eliminated, the producers kept following me, we talk to each other... it's a complete differente universe than what you get in other countries, apparently. Still very shocked. wow.
Rebecca ferguson was a UK X factor contestant and has a twitter page where she exposes the abuse she received from the producers on the show and how bad the contacts are, what she went through was really sad xx
Hey Jasmine, one thing would love to hear your opinion in is Eurovision, as it is often a bit vice versa that some acts clearly meant to be a ‘Joke act’ somehow reach high placement (like Russian grandma’s singing about baking reaching second place) and also it having really weird political dynamics. Also, the voice of Holland (the original one) is sooo different from the American one. Focus is wayy less on the coaches and much more on contestants, Wich also is due to the relatively littler fame with them being Dutch and therefore some acts on the Voice of Holland (such as Maan) really make it in the Dutch Industry
The russian bread grandmas were actually good though. And I think a lot of people actually vote for the "joke" acts, cause the more serious stuff can get pretty samey when you watch it every year. (So. Many. Power. Ballads. Ugh.) At least the jokes are funny, and like, it's very very rare for the music to actually be bad imo, even if the costumes and lyrics are weird.
I remember how after watching so many season of American Idol, I didn't understand why they would laugh at people. Also I remember during one season of The X Factor, Simon said to two contestants, that people weren't going to like them, because of how they dressed. One of them responded with "baby that's life".
i even know a The Voice Argentina winner who ended up being thrown out there to get nothing after the show not only because he wasn't supported later on, but because he couldn't perform due to the pandemic. hope he's doing better now though
I was looking at a list just recently actually of people who won The Voice in the US and literally /none/ of them are super successful. There's a couple women who are moderately successful in the country music scene, but no big superstars. Also American Idol hasn't had a successful winner in a while either. Their most successful recent finalist was Jax who placed third. But her success isn't from that, it's from blowing up on tiktok.
@@richieswar3139 yeah, I thought of her afterwards. Didn't feel like going back and editing my comment. But she's one of the only exceptions and didn't win.
@@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz Oh fair enough. I was not actually expecting it at all, as I really thought idol's days of producing success stories were over
The only people from The Voice that I can even remember or say are remotely “famous” are Melanie Martinez, who didn’t win…and Juliet Simms…who I only knew of because I was a fan of her husband Andy Biersack first.
It (American Idol, Pop Idol, X Factor etc) isn't so much a singing competition, I would say it is more like glorified reality TV. The main sort of criteria for getting through a stage on X Factor, is to have a good sob story and a decent voice. If that doesn't work, then the producers sabotage the auditions. I feel bad because I used to watch the X Factor when I was younger, not knowing that the producers make the auditionees look bad, basically destroying their dreams. Now that I'm older and a lot more cynical, the show was basically public humiliation.
It became apparent to me after Jennifer Hudson lost and had a bigger career than any of the winners, that shows were just meh and also the guy who couldn't sing got a music contract.
@@ADWebTV There was this massive hoo-ha about not wanting Adam Lambert to win season 8 of AI, I believe they didn't want an openly gay man winning the show, I believe that the guy who won was someone called Kris Allen, who was everything the producers probably wanted, straight and not flamboyant. I'm glad that Adam didn't win just for the reason that, he would forever have the association to the show affiliated with him, and how much it would stunt his creative growth. He's also touring with the remaining members of Queen as well, he's doing an exemplary job of picking up where Freddie left off, but no one will compare to Freddie.
I knew these shows were fake not only because I’ve been to the open call auditions for The Voice which were ridiculous (6 hours waiting in line outside and inside, intimidating rooms, not choosing extremely capable/interesting contestants to go through, etc.) But I also watched The Voice this season because of Ariana, duh and I noticed that in almost all the interviews before the blind auditions, the contestants go on and on talking about how this is “the biggest stage” and “I’ll never get an opportunity like this again” and it’s “such a huge deal” So obviously scripted. I was kinda annoyed by the blatant brain washing, I stopped watching.
I'm surprised she didn't mention amateur night at Showtime at the Apollo. That was HUGE and acts like the Jackson 5 and Lauryn Hill were discovered there. It was a pretty big deal.
I was in a girl group in highschool and we met one of the producers of American Idol who was doing a couple of projects here in Mexico. He told us all about the fake audition process and even told us how when someone is "ridiculous" they give them more ideas and egg them on to ridicule them further, like if someone sucks at singing they'll be like "omg you sound just like Michael Jackson, for your next round you should wear one of his outfits and dance like him" and stuff like that
Also one of my friends from said group ended up going on The Voice Mexico, she was recruited via Instagram. She was told she couldn't sing in English, but most of her repertoire were very belty Christina Aguilera like songs in English bc that's her style and really shows off her voice, they gave her a list of songs to work on, most of them old Mexican pop music, only to have her sing against a girl singing Mariah Carey, they also styled her horribly from makeup to clothes, and she only met her celebrity coach twice.
i knew so much about this but this video was still really informative and i learned many new things - i wonder if you'll ever check out kpop survival shows such as produce 101 and girls planet 999 which are like these singing competitions where they try to debut kpop groups, they are also very heavily scripted and contestants are 'evil edited' but yet people fall for them (even i do sometimes which sucks)
@@jasminezade And I feel like you would be fascinated by how popular and successful the groups of these shows become with brand deals and charting already guaranteed.
@@jasminezade They are definitely very interesting because a lot of smaller companies send trainees there as a last resort to save their company. It's great publicity even participants don't win
I always felt like they set Zoe up...she was too emotional for her to just be "crazy" for saying "YOU TOLD ME TO DO A PINK SONG!" They did be slick towards her just to get a good take making her look bad...smh
I keep saying how fucked up it is to put literal kids in this fucked up environments that are singing shows, but now I'm genuinely scared about what the children have to go through in shows like The Voice Kids (it's very successful here in Brazil)
I don't know if this happens anywhere else but in my country's demon spawn of American Idol they had a separate pop-up channel showing the "behind the scenes" but it's really just the bad singers getting clowned on, it felt so mean-spirited :(
In France they did something similar both for the first batch ever of Big Brother France back in 2000 (le Loft) and later for a few singing shows that came right afterwards. A dedicated channel showing supposedly in real time and supposedly unedited footage but weirdly enough it was mostly steamy or showing contestants in negative light... (and it was not for free with only a few hours shown for free daily to entice viewers to buy subscriptions).
My step-dad is absolutely infatuated with these shows. He has been ever since the first season of American Idol. No matter what evidence you could show him, he'll have none of it. He's completely bought into the illusion.
I'm glad that you mentioned the details about The Voice. I've noticed that some of the contestant's that audition for the show are sometimes people who already have a career before auditioning.
That in itself doesn't make the audition process fake. The forms you fill when you intend to audition for these shows do have questions regarding your existing experience in the field (as an amateur or professional) so it definitely weighs in the balance depending on where you're from and how broadly you are known or not. Not everyone with a career in music/singing is known for it outside of the specific network of people they're working with. Some, because they come from smaller territories, some because they made their entire career as background vocalists and some because they do work which doesn't get them visual or name recognition (like voiceover work or singing cartoon soundtracks). People wouldn't know who they are when they show up if not for the forms with the contract...
I WISH i could hear from former producers and workers on these singing shows and what it was like for them to have to treat contestants like that because, unless they are terrible people, that has to weigh on their conscience
The one season of American Idol that I actually kept up with and watched was the year Scotty McCreary won. However, at the time my mom and I were rooting for Haley Reinhart. Looking back, it was obvious she wasn’t as marketable, being a more soulful artist in a time where they thought the country market would get them the most success. Even early on in the show, despite her obvious talent, the judges were unusually harsh and critical of her, which now watching your video I know now was a tactic to have the public turn on a contestant. Yet despite the constant excessive critique, she went on to place 3rd (and many theorize that the hate from the judges actually caused a spike in viewers voting for her out of spite). I think Reinhart’s case is a cool example of when the show’s intentions ultimately fail. She was in the bottom three multiple times over, yet the voters kept her on way longer than the producers intended despite their best efforts, amassing a pretty decent sized cult following in the process.
Oh no, I’m in Kentucky and I had friends annually drive to Nashville to get a shot on American idol***. NONE of them knew it was like this because they didn’t tell you. That’s so tragic! Like they never even had a shot & were taking time and money to go. They were actually a lot of hopeful auditions
I auctioned for my country's Got Talent when I was 12 and I wish I knew all of this before that because once I saw how things actually were behind the scenes little 12 year old me had her hopes dashed and became so disillusioned. I was so disappointed and disgusted that before you get onto the televised rounds you have to go through off screen auditions and realized that all the "bad" acts were selected to be made fun of.
everyone kept telling me to audition for the voice, so i did. they didn’t pick a single person from my group :) and everyone there was EXTREMELY good. felt fishy to me
I seem to remember reality shows getting big when TV writers went on strike. What they’ve done should be criminal. We need a new government, one that will do something about situations like these.
I think there needs to be a crack down on reality shows who don’t pay people to be on the show. Like I’ve been hearing that ANTM didn’t pay their contestants either when they give up their whole lives, quit their jobs, had their families watching their children for weeks just to have a shot at fame. The least these shows can do is pay them for their time on the show when the shows make millions in ratings
Hey just letting you know that if you actually talk to a lawyer, you can break the contract if they have some provisions in it. I am trying to personally make legal services more accessible to people.
I like to think of reality shows as rather than having a pure script, they have a storyboard/graphic organizer of the points they want to hit. There are some lines, but for the most part, the "contestants" are essentially improving what they say and do to hit certain points.
i remember my sister worked freelance at the voice and i was so excited, thinking she would be at the actual gig but she was just at one of the many MANY open calls
hey jasmine, i have a question though (this might be long, i apologize in advance): is the Voice really on the level of fake of the X-factor? cause it seems like the Voice doesn‘t even try to find a "superstar", just give exposure to great artists. ofc they’re still a tv show but there‘s no mockery, no incredibly bad singers they let audition just for a laugh (honestly everyone who doesn‘t make it is still extremely good), barely any sad sobstories and no "drama" like contestant fights or new lovebirds who found each other on the show shown. it doesn‘t seem to me like they‘re even trying to make it overly dramatic or funny. everytime i read a post about "the Voice SHOCKING TRUTHS told by ex-contestants" it‘s literally the obvious, nothing bad. like there are multiple auditions beforehand (obviously cause you can‘t let 1000 people that can‘t even hold a tune audition) or that some coaches don‘t actually spend time with you (i mean.. duh? it‘s not even marketed as if they are and i hope everyone knows that they work more with vocal coaches than the real coaches) or that you have to have time when your coach has time even if it‘s in the middle of the night (i mean.. uncomfortable maybe but not a „shock“ in my opinion) etc. like i never actually heard of rigged voting, winner being chosen beforehand or something like that. obviously contracts, yes, but nothing too shocking in comparison to x-factor. like social media training? not surprising to me, they can’t just post everything while they’re obviously trying to make good tv. also, the clothes being picked by stylists is also not too much of a surprise cause obviously they should look decent for their live shows. but doesn’t seem like they tell the contestants to necessarily talk about their sobstories from childhood or so after they’ve made it through the blinds and they also don’t have to do these incredibly ridiculous skits (like the one with harry and the girls in 2010 lmao). i mean.. what would be the point after all if they don‘t even try to produce a record-selling star (and the current form of entertainment is enough to keep ratings up)? cause if they were trying to do that, the label affiliated with the Voice would care to support the winners more than it does (to make them these international stars to get them money) which blake has stated it doesn’t many times. since they‘re not going for looks/stage presence in the blinds (and frankly a LOT of contestants that move on do not fit the beauty standards at all), they probably know no one‘s gonna make it huge anyways. i feel like every ex-contestant and coach always speaks highly of the Voice in comparison to X-factor contestants who clearly are not to keen on simon (though it‘s funny cause that may have just developed over time as shows got more successful cause kelly and simon seem to be friends and actually hang out and like/respect each other, like you can tell she actually likes him in comparison to people like niall or louis). so.. i guess my question is: is the Voice really there to develop a star (if so, they‘ve successfuly failed!) or just for a few months of tv fun and good voices? seems like the show is built on respect and humanity moreso than trying to sell a product and put the contestants into horrendously strict contracts for years and wear them out just to make money like the whole sony/simon group certainly did with their acts. i mean, the coaches are apparently not even allowed to give negative critique in the liveshows cause it could interfere with voting. like wouldn’t coaches hating the artists’s performance be so much more entertaining and drama? apparently they even have therapists and psychologists hired to take care of the contestants if they can‘t handle their elimination (this was confirmed by producers and contestants). btw, i don‘t wanna defend anyone (i truly don‘t care) but every coach on this panel (besides ariana obvi cause she‘s new) has taken their ex contestants on tour, made music with them, even have them write songs for them (brynn cartelli and kelly for example) and truly support them on socials (or even befriend them apparently) more than the label will ever do. kelly has said a few times that her and brynn (and brynn‘s mom) are close friends, she also had her + 2 other ex-team-members of her team on her daytime talkshow to support their original music! all in all, i was just wondering how big of a difference in "fake" there is between let‘s say shows made by simon and the Voice cause it doesn’t seem like the Voice is even trying to make people products. like, what are the negative sides for the contestants on the Voice if they literally come across as 1) very nice (literally everyone this season) and 2) very talented and not only there because of their looks and sobstories. they get exposure, new fans and maybe are later able to make some money off of music and since they do not get humiliated on live tv, it doesn‘t look like there‘s many negative things for them happening. maybe those contracts after the show but still… i’ve never heard a the Voice contestant be branded as rude or unlikeable like zoe and many other x factor contestants have. the positive seems to outweight the negative in this case, right? definitely will never achieve 1D kinda success but i‘ve watched the full season this year and not a single time a contestant was coming across as rude or not pleasant to work with. i‘m definitely gonna be listening to their music in the future. and tbh, even if the whole show was completely scriped from beginning to end (though people have said that the show is actually quite "real" from beginning to end) i‘d rather watch a show that highlights the contestants vocals and performances and respects them (as far as possible in such a wild industry) and not make them stars than see people break down on stage cause they were humiliated in front of millions. and even for example if they win and get signed to that shitty label, they can still make something out of it. i‘m taking brynn as an example again cause i enjoy her music, but she won the voice 2018 at 14 years old and dropped the label after only 5 months and with kelly‘s help, signed with Atlantic (which is also Kelly‘s label), went on tour with her and dropped an EP in 2021. obviously she‘s not necessarily a worldstar but i think for a lot of people that kinda success is just enough to be happy. (it is funny though cause brynn is exactly one of the people you mentioned. someone recorded a video of her singing and posted it and nbc emailed her asking if she wants to try out for the blinds. other contestants have however said that they‘ve tried out 6 times and only at their 7th time they got chosen. i don‘t think that email made brynn win at all. it just made her path TO the blind auditions easier but from there on she was equal to everyone else. no one ever claimed that people are NOT emailed to try out and no one ever claimed that all the contestants auditioning actually went through the open-call-process, i‘m not sure why it‘s such a shock that they look for people to try out) edit: i just re-read my comment and it literally sounds like i‘m the biggest the Voice fan ever which i am NOT at all lol! i just happened to watch this season (and have watched many seasons of X factor) and as a very critical viewer (i‘m literally cringing at every scripted skit the coaches do), the only thing the voice this year has done for me as a viewer is expose me to new artists whose music i can further support and whose performances and growth i got to watch on the show. certainly nobody gained a bad reputation. it just seems the Voice‘s intentions are a little more… good and pure (if that‘s even a word you can use in this industry) in comparison to the other shows you mentioned so i wasn‘t sure if they can truly be put in the same category here. btw, love your videos
I didn’t read all of what you wrote but I something I would say is that the voice is a little less about the actual contestants and more about the coaches. It’s about the coaches making jokes to each other and blocking them from getting a person and that kind of stuff
@@jacelyn2635 yeah that is true. though i am happy that they don‘t use the coaches crying as an advertisement like x factor did. i thought that was so ridiculous cause it made it seem like the most important thing about the show is that a celebrity on the panel is tearing up.
Heard it from a mom who's kid was in the voice kids. He was already in the live show and was chosen for duel. Right before he went on stage he was handed a music contract. Basically it was already decided that he will lose before he even performed....
@@zeacahill9408 what does "duel" mean? i don‘t know about the voice kids and how they handle things tbh. we don‘t even have the Voice kids here in the US as far as i remember. maybe it‘s true, i don‘t know, but most of the times the winner of the past seasons of the Voice US have actually had the best social media response from fans and the most itunes streams so it would technically just make sense for the viewers to have actually voted them 1st. i mean, looking at girl named tom this year, they had 7 songs on itunes charting - 2 of them #1 (that has never happened before on the Voice), they were fan favourites from the beginning and their original music had immense success on spotify during the Voice so i‘m not sure why people believe the producers chose this win in particular for example when clearly they were miles ahead before anyone in terms of likability and broad audience. so maybe you‘re right, what do i know, but it does make sense for the winners to win mostly (like there‘s never been a win that i can remember that someone truly unlikeable and undeserving won which didn‘t make sense at all) so if no one actually speaks up "against" the Voice publicly (like zoe for x-factor), i‘ll just believe the obvious. as i said, everytime i read about ex contestants‘ "shocking truths" about the Voice it‘s literally about the prerounds, outfits and used vocal coaches rather than any shocking revealings about the show. by now the earlier season‘s contestants‘ contracts would have expired so technically they could come out with the truth but as i said, even if they don‘t win, the Voice is an opportunity for them to make their vocals heard and from season to season it‘s almost 100% positive, like no humiliation or so, so i don‘t think the contestants are that bitter about it. it‘s a win-win for them.
One thing about the voice in The Netherlands: there was just a couple weeks ago a very big exposure that two coaches and some other people who worked with the production are sexually abusive. One of the coaches was from the voice KIDS!! KIDS literal kids are being a part of this. That makes me so freaking angry because wtf. These are innocent human beings, they shouldn't be exposed to this that young. But coming back to the topic, there was one very informative video about it and the 'big boss' literally said that the biggest problem is that those women WHO GET ASSAULTED don't speak up. Like wtf no, the biggest problem is that those tv-shows still exist and that women still have to fear to not be assaulted. That is absolutely awful
Sob stories on game shows and competition shows go back to the 1940s or 50s when there was a literal competition for housewives to tell their sob stories about how hard their life had been since the war in order to win money
hey jasmine, i was so pleasantly surprised by this video and im so glad you did it. i've seen zoey alexander's video before (both the x factor one and the one she made about her experience) and it's so important for people to see how fake and fabricated these shows are. obviously i love x factor because it gave us one direction and fifth harmony- and those two groups mean everything to me- but it's so upsetting to see how other people are humiliated on tv by these producers for good entertainment.
I find it interesting that with little mix we didn’t even get a proper introduction to them like their auditions were like 5 seconds, we didn’t get showed much of them. Unlike 1D they proper built them up as main ppl as we got all introduced to them properly, the whole thing with zayn not being able to dance, like they really focused on them and with other Winn or ppl that got far we saw their background/story but with little mix we don’t and the show didn’t really see them as ppl that could get far until like week 3 then they started pushing them more, as yes it was one off their best but they also included clip of jesy extremely upset from being bullied, so we would feel for her and push the narrative of they are just like us which is horrid as she was obviously being targeted and they used that as a story line
jazmine: and then you wonder why huge stars that came off of the x factor never name drop simon or never say anything negative about him explicitely interviewer: what did simon cowell give you? harry: anxiety
Can you do a video about Eurovision? It's... a singing competition but with a lot of happiness, drama, chaotic energy, subtle handling of geopolitical issues, and Flo Rida represented San Marino this year. It's... wilddddd
@@monsieurromanbedlam5101 I mean all reality shows are faked so it is likely that the anger outbursts that Gordon Ramsey is known for are probably faked for views and ratings.
This makes me think of William Hung who auditioned for american idol in 2004 and after watching the part about the girl who was forced to sing a Pink song, it makes sense why his bit was aired-to be a laughing stock. It’s so sinister and racist and cruel. Im glad he got something out of it (sort of?) with his dunkin donuts commercial, etc but ehhh fuck hollywood
Growing up with people around me telling me to go on the X factor was very jarring. From early on I knew I didn't want my life and hardships to be milked for reality tv and I didn't want to be moulded by a contract. People unaware of the behind the scenes just couldn't understand how soul-destroying these productions can be
I remember when I went to d factor auditions (in Australia) as an audience member they literally recorded us doing a bunch of different reactions before the judges event came out and stuff
Some people actually come to do the horrible acts that get boo’ed off like when Trisha Payton’s was on America’s got Talent. They get scouted as well. But the ones that they manipulate into braking down or getting no’s is f’ed up!!!
@@jasminezade Okay so we connected Jasmine Next step must be sharing secrets and telling stories to each other as good old friends Now you know i'm exist 😂
Don’t forget the TV show Popstars. It started and 2000 and launched Nicole Scherzinger’s first group Eden’s Crush. Also Making The Band in the early 2000’s. Who launched O-Town, Da Band, Danity Kane and Day26
Also I auditioned for American Idol in 2004. The first round of Auditions is for the producers ONLY. The “Judges” weren’t even there that day. They came the next day after everyone selected for the show “Auditions” were already picked.
The contract was trash. Even at 17 I knew it wasn’t it. You’re right though we were given the contract to read and sign on the spot before we could even audition.
Great video! I think it's also worth pointing out that as music industry nepotism has become more widespread and the culling of arts funding and access to creative resources (here in the UK at least) these shows are seen as a way in for working-class people who otherwise don't have connections like their wealthier counterparts would. This ties in well with the bootstraps narrative that's become prominent as the entertainment industry, as in wider society, has closed ranks towards those from lower incomes in recent years. As you touched on as well, you don't need to win the show to get a career and often the runners up end up at least with one album and are completely forgotten about within 2 years as they're displaced by next year's winner. Given the shift in the media landscape people can at least attempt to sustain a career as an influencer regardless of people having seen them on the show, and previous contestants can try a comeback this way too. Also I'm not sure what the situation is in the US but certainly in the UK, the Syco shows have strategically had the monopoly on the Christmas No.1 single for the last 20 years too, so they' make big £££ from that on top of it all. I completely agree that these shows have surely run their course by now and as its audience has become so critical, people surely won't still be attracted to these shows for much longer. Speaking of audiences, I do think the shift from the "initial" auditions in front of "just" the judges, to doing the (filmed) "initial" auditions in front of an audience too must really have changed things, at least for the contestants. Peter Kay did a parody of the format and British reality TV in general in 2008 called "Britain's Got the Pop Factor and Possibly a New Celebrity Jesus Christ Soapstar Superstar Strictly on Ice", check out the Winner's Song for a great spoof of every winner's song ever to emerge from such a show.
I found out about this slightly from watching niki and gabi’s video about going to an audition and their experience was similar. I’ve also always thought the people that are confident & bad were set up or slightly staged because they’re always very over the top. I’m confused on why people genuinely think that these shows are serious or not slightly calculated
This video helped make some much sense of people on these singing shows cause I always wondered why people who are like literally either just dying or someone close to them died or even disabled and they could sing so bad and get a golden buzzer like what did I miss Ana episode or something that never made sense until now
this video was really interesting! question about group acts on shows like the xfactor; are the individual people scouted and then put together on the show or are they organized as a group beforehand too? (thinking of cases like 1d, 5h, & little mix where they auditioned as solo artists)
i definitely think that it‘s not as ✨magical✨ as they make it seem. like simon, the incredible god-like coach just randomly picks out these guys (even though they‘re not even THAT good in their auditions) and then get them into a group that becomes one of the biggest boybands of all time? same with little mix & 5H. i‘m not sure how exactly it works but maybe it was planned from the beginning to want a good group on the show so they purposely asked kids that could sing if they would like to act like they auditioned alone but then be put into a group - and those kids already were picked to have somewhat of a good voice, ability to harmonize and also look very good. i mean, with 1D it‘s a whole mess cause they’ve told us about 10 different stories when and how they first met. literally saying they never knew each other before they got put together in a group but then there‘s stories/pics resurfacing that prove that they did know each other before they were put into a group or even before x factor. however it works, it‘s definitely not like they show us. it just makes simon come across as super powerful and smart.
omg u should react to some korean survival programs on patreon! i would totally pay for that ur reaction would be so interesting especially since ur not too familiar with the kpop industry process!!! korean survival shows, although sometimes scripted and faked, can be a great way to learn about the behind the scenes of the industry and how kpop groups are formed.
The one American Idol season I remember was Carrie Underwoods I remember voting for her and cheering for her and hoping she would win. I was so happy when she won and to this day I'm a fan of hers I literally grew up with her music (I was 9 when she won and now I'm 25 so I literally grew up with her music)
I had a teacher and he could sing pretty good and auditioned for the voice and was (not on screen) rejected because of his looks, which is still so odd to me. (This was for the voice of Holland)
I really never got the impression that The Voice DIDN'T scout/weed out their contestants for the blind auditions, esp because (from what I remember, its been years) they never really showed casting calls and had a very polished set and B-shots. The fact that they media train their contestant before the blind audtions is also quite responsible in my opinion? Whether it be to push a narrative if certain contestant get through or to cover the producer's asses, having training -media training *especially* - seems very positive. If people's stories or time are in some way being exploited they are at least getting tools to deal with the public and if they do not go through, had professional training that I'm sure would be valuable regardless.
Honestly, these shows remind me of kpop entertainment companies, but even less transparent. Like, the ent companies are pretty quiet about stuff, but at the very least, everyone knows that training is grueling and usually ends in failure. It's known that a lot of the companies have talent scouts that pick trainees. Whereas while people know these shows are fake... A lot don't know how or to what extent.
I've always wondered why the family are so supportive (when the person is bad). My Mum told me outright I'm not good enough at singing to go on a show like this when we watched Pop Idol or whatever it was (our first singing contest show)! Loved this video 🤩
I have never liked competition shows bc of how phony they are, but I have always been intrigued by the premise of The Voice so I finally marathoned this most recent season. I was surprised at how good all of the auditions were, even the ones where they didn’t turn any chairs. It doesn’t seem like The Voice does the same humiliation tactic that American Idol does. It seems like The Voice wants to make the audience feel like it’s a more serious and technical show compared to other competitions.
Also I love that you brought up the fact that The Voice styles their contestants bc I literally just tweeted a few days ago “whoever is the stylist for The Voice deserves a raise” lmao also it’s so obvious that they get training before the blind auditions, especially since they have a band back them up when they sing. They would need to be able to practice that quite a bit before going on stage.
Here in Italy the X Factor is still alive and some quite talented people have come out of it, like Maneskin and Marco Mengoni, but the most ridiculous one is Amici Of Maria De Filippi (Amici means Friends) which was previously called Saranno Famosi (the italian title of the movie/series Fame) which takes the fiction to ridiculous extremes, creating a sort of high school environment.
Zoe is a contestant that deserves a huge apology. She didn’t want to sing a Pink song but the people from The X factor told her to sing a Pink song. Disgusting that the judges and producers lied and made her look crazy when she was right all along.
producers***
And the public just loves to point and laugh at these poor people
@@shizzlemywizzle1 True . Like it’s so sad how we live in a world when entertainment is just Bullying, Harassment , failure , rejection, and Straight Up embarrassment. And so mean
I applaud the contestants that got Nos cause at least they had the confidence to audition in front of people.
Yeah honestly if she has a terrible story I’m sure other people were freaking abused with no food or water too
When you realize the winners of these shows sign a contract that’s basically a prison sentence, it makes so much more sense by the fan faves end up being more successful than the winners
No its even worse than this. Id gladly sign a prison sentence contract thats nothing. This is not the issue. The problem is the people who sign up don't get famous
Some people who didn’t win sign contracts that say they can’t release music for a curtain amount of time but yea the one that did win often don’t get famous especially on the voice.
There's clearly something negative about Simon Cowel if the contract states that you can't say anything bad about him.
Wow the fact that they don't pay the contestants at all is honestly the most disgusting part. Ariana grande literally made around 25 MILLION dollars for one season. And I'm wondering, they could've "just" given her 20 million and could have given 250.00 (!!!!) dollars to EVERY performer. It's honestly fucked up
Did they do get a Perdiem
@@lynlyhickey what's a perdiem?
That's really messed up.. you made me realise how unfair it is. 25 MILLION and the contestants get nothing. What's the cash prize for that season, if there's any?
hectzen23 idk if this is about the voice, but I'm pretty sure the winner gets a prize of $100,000--and the tv contestants get an "allowance" for the episodes they're on. I heard this all from google, so it may be wrong!
@@hectzen23 a perdiem is like when you charge the company for everything- like some companies give their workers $50 a day for food or transport...I bet their only perdiem was food and board
aye, storytime (very shortened)
I was an aspiring singer. ended up being asked to addition for the X Factor with a friend (we were in a group) and we went through three stages of auditioning for the judges, and got to the live auditions (with Simon and the rest).
We spent 12 hours waiting, kept having to do interviews, no food, stress to the max just waiting. then they kept delaying our slot and I could feel that something was off.
But being young, and not yet realising the importance of listening to that Gut feeling, I still went on stage. They played the wrong song, stopped us in like 5 seconds and proceeded to embarrass us by saying that we would have to break up because we are not "on the same level".
they told us to go backstage to "talk about it" (we were completely mic ed up) and then two of the judges came to hug us, which was clearly a PR thing, and something that the producers asked them to do.
It was so fucked up. I am still traumatised from it- spending that day in constant stress and uncertainty and then to be humiliated, and to realise that it was all PLANNED from the beginning. because they didn't care for actual music or talent or friendship, but about creating drama and ratings.
I haven't sung since. The music industry is full of devils.
I have a lot of stories, my own (with producers and studio engineers) as well as other people. And the people at the top are all complicit, including your fave singers (because they don't speak up about it, because their career advancement matters more than sticking up to people being mistreated or abused.)
I am so sorry you had to go through that - it's disgusting that they would do this to people, especially kids/young people. I hope one day you can heal from it and sing again (if that's something you want to do, not even as like a professional but just for fun?)
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Are you getting counseling for it?
May I ask which audition was yours? Did they air it?
I’m so sorry you had to deal with the most toxic and exploitative part of the music industry. Don’t let them ruin your love of music and singing though. Pursue your love of music with independent creators and labels. There’s some good people out there that genuinely love music.
I’m so sorry this happened to you, what scummy people to put this into action
For people asking why they don't see the contestants from the show ( mostly from the voice ) make it big after the show, melanie martinez after she was eliminated, she talked about it once in an interview that record labels don't want people from competition shows, she was just lucky enough to be signed into Atlantic Records,
it means you literally just have to be lucky enough to continue your persuit in music.
Very interesting. Does anyone know why labels don't want them? Other than that they might not be very talented after all.
Americas Next Top Model apparently had this same issue, where fashion designers wouldnt view the contestants as 'serious models'. Theyre also kind of just left to naviagate the industry with no supports post show.
Ru Pauls Drag Race actually does this well, where contestants WILL book conventions, WOW web series, and world tours which extends their 15 minutes into legitimate fame. This makes the show more popular because you are actually watching people 'get discovered'
@@dylankennedy4539 Interesting. This is similar for project runway. Despite the designers being talented, most of them struggle to make it big simply because they were on a competition show about fashion. I hate to see that because they have so much talent, yet it goes unrecognized.
There an interesting phenomenon where in the Swedish version of American Idol, the participants that actually take off as independent musicians typically come in second of third place while the winners just disappears after a while.
But with the voice I think they have a choice to sign to a record label( idk which record label ) as well as the money.
The back stories always get me. "Samantha sometimes can't find her favorite cereal." "George was born at midnight on Christmas Eve in 1999. His mother died in childbirth. His dad died two seconds later. He was raised by his then two year old sister and the family cat. His sister died yesterday when her cruise ship sank. It was her wedding day. George was the only survivor. He walked here just to sing and follow his dreams."
this is so funny lmao I want to screenshot this comment
Lmaoooo 😂😂😂 but fr sometimes I’m just like please stop. Some story’s are real but a lot can be exaggerated.
Well it's really not that difficult to find people who have faced hardships in life for these shows. People with white privilege don't need these shows.
I remember seeing that clip of Zoe and wondering how people could laugh at it, didn't her "breakdown" basically start with "but YOU GUYS were the ones who told me I had to do a Pink song"? and the judges basically gaslit her by saying "what are you talking about?"
In all fairness the judges were probably slightly confused as well. The producers were the ones who set it up. Sometimes it even feels like the judges are set up like the contestants. Also, I think Zoe mentions that Nicole Scherzinger was actually somewhat respectful towards her and was edited negatively in post production.
I think it was painted to be like she was blaming the judges for her song choice bus they did say she looks like pink, and like the video said, they tried to make her seem like a crazy person who blame others. so it's not rlly weird that a lot of ppl bought it, that's why it's so messed up. and I'm not even sure if the judges was in on it too, maybe Simon but not the other judges.
I'm confused by zoe's reaction, because even with editing, it's clear she was wrecking havoc backstage (tho the horror music being played didn't help). Does she have anger issues, or was she distressed? Why did her father have to be calming her down? Why did she rage at the cameras instead of hiding her face or something?
by the way, The Voice also wasn’t created by US, but actually The Netherlands. it started as The Voice Of Holland and after that the other countries followed, the program was created by John De Mol who also created Big Brother.
This is why more aspiring singers are using social media to get exposure. That's true reality.
I love how every month I come across a content creator hearing their song on the radio for the first time 💛
@@MKSsmile I want a future where everyone gets famous in the least manipulative means possible 😇
@@MKSsmile J
Unless ur an industry plant
in today's episode of "in my time zone I should go to sleep but won't": queen jasmine uploaded a video, a very interesting topic I may add
Same, my sleep schedule is already screwed this week so might aswell watch 🌝
@@juliadupont7252 exactly haha
Same (I say writing this at 3am)
don’t worry babes you made the right decision 😌
i was literally thinking today about how we do not have any organic girlbands/boybands anymore, they literally only came from singing competitions. our minds must be connected
idc i liked 5h so much 😭
So relatable 😭😂😂😂
By all accounts, there are barely any organic girl groups and/or boy bands. Most of them are manufactured by a big record label or producer to begin with: the Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Spice Girls... It's just that their creation wasn't televised in a competition show like it was with the likes of One Direction, Fifth Harmony, or even Girls Aloud. 98° is one of the few organic boy bands I can think of.
organic pop groups also aren’t common anymore because of the budget needed to get their careers going. you *can* get together with your friends and start a group, but who’s gonna pay for a rehearsal space, dance/vocal coaching, costumes, photographers/videographers, marketing, or professional producers? people seek entertainment companies or singing contests because they have access to all of these resources so it’s less of a risk than starting from nothing. all you need are marketable looks and a personality and they’ll build you into a star from the ground up.
edit: just because these groups are formed by companies doesn’t mean that their bond isn’t genuine btw
There has never been an "organic" boy band. N sync, backstreet, new Kidz were all cash grabs.
People are always telling me, “oh you should go on The Voice and get famous!” Someone literally just said that to me TODAY! It’s like people think that is the only option for singers to do anything worthwhile in music these days. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
YES. i’m so tired of the glorification of singing competition shows
Same, but then I drop a knowledge bomb about how it REQUIRES signing over your name, voice, face, socials, and career (especially if you win the record deals). People are always like 😳 "omg I had no idea!"
SAME omgg ive been told that many times its insane bruh
Which is insane because while The Voice and other singing shows have an audience, rarely does that translate into success from the show and the exposure it gives you.
The winners or other notable contestants still put in sooo much of the groundwork, and as others said, you often times have to sign away rights to your name. What most people suggesting The Voice and other singing shows don't realize they're suggesting something that might bring a little instant gratification (with a lot of stress) with no longevity. Crazy.
I love your spirit ♥️ Never give up. You’re a messenger don’t even let this world ruin the fulfilment of your purpose.
When I was seventeen, I went to an audition of our country's American Idol, and I can confirm that it is actually an audition to get to the 'audition.' We spent eight hours basically waiting around until our number was called, only to sing in front of a video camera so the scouts and producers could pick out which person would be interesting enough to watch on TV.
In the end, nobody from our region got picked. Probably because we were generally too provincial and not as flashy as the crowds from their bigger venues. It's a good thing I merely joined for fun. I got to spend the whole day with my mom and meet interesting performers. But I do feel bad for the one girl I met who traveled four hours from out of town. Her family even rented her a gorgeous costume even though they didn't have much. I do hope she's out there somewhere and finally singing her heart out before an audience.
Aww this is sweet.
No wonder you hardly ever seen any other vocal talent that isn't pop or country. (Unless there are some few examples, it's been a long time since I've seen American Idol.)
Speaking of which I highly recommend you look up "american idol metal singer" because some of the auditions are funny.
literally the only the voice contestant that really went big is melanie martinez and she didn't even win
99% of the people interviewed on the voice this season had a sob story it’s like they ask people who have a sad backstory like what about the people who have a happy backstory and are there too
Yeah. I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
They knew that most people were newcomers only watching for Ariana anyways, so maybe they did that as a desperate attempt to make it look like they care about the contestants.
@@prettierjesus3119 yea or just playing into the “person from a small town with a sad story becomes a star” idea. It works in movies but not when it’s forced into a show that’s supposed to be real
When I auditioned for the voice in my country we had to complete a form with questions like “what was the worst moment of your life” 🙄 I knew my story wasn’t interesting enough lol.
I auditioned for the X Factor whenever I was 13 and they have auditions where they film all the big long lines and stuff MONTHS before the actual celebrity judge auditions.
You had to get through 4 rounds of producers before you could get the the celebrity judges.
I've always tried to explain to people that its nothing like it looks on TV.
Was honestly super disappointing as a child.
I did make it to the round just before the TV/celebrity auditions though lol
First of all, impressive! Second of all if I may ask a question, were the producers you met looking for proper contestants and if so were they trained in singing/judging with professionals? I'm super curious.
That's awesome that you got so far, and maybe in a way was better that you didn't get on to the celebrity judging. I hope you still do a little of what got ya there!
@@-Desire to be honest, I only remember one girl that was a professional and she had apparently won on another singing show but I can't remember what it was.
But thank you! :)
@@BreezyStreamy awww thank you! I definitely still love to sing but now I just do it for fun :)
I saw several fans of Ari’s upset that none of her team members made it to the final, and this video just solidifies how much it didn’t/doesn’t matter anyway. She was brought on the show for views, plain and simple, and most likely wasn’t meant to have the winning contestant on her team anyway. She’s payed the most because she’s there solely to bring in views and make the show money.
Didn’t care for her involvement on the show or for the show in the slightest, and as a long term fan of hers I honestly think she deserves better. But ANYWAY thank you for an enlightening video as always!!!
i also watched the whole season (and love ariana btw) though i have to admit that the fans and ariana herself just put the wrong people through to make it further (it’s confirmed by producers and ex contestants that it’s actually the coaches deciding and that the rounds after the contestants get to be on the show are very much real) and it was clear that with her team, she was never gonna be in the finale. she started off with a great team (bella, ryleigh, holly, raquel, …) but unfortunately went with the most inconsistent voices like ryleigh over good vocalists like raquel. she also praised jim & sasha up to the skies when they really weren‘t that good just cause she became friends with them and hung with them privately. it seemed like in comparison to the other coaches, she just let her emotions/newly made friendships overpower her strategies when choosing people to advance. and when america was voting, they did vote ariana‘s duo quite far, but they just vocally didn‘t stand a a chance against the others at one point cause they only got that far cause ariana kinda favored them to begin with. then in the instant saves, i‘m SO sure that holly or ryleigh could‘ve advanced with ariana fans’ votes but ariana apparently "trusted" them with their song choices (she said that) because she‘s too nice to say "no" and they ended up singing pitchy versions of "dangerous woman" and "because of you", two extremely hard songs while others chose a song that fit their voices wisely and weren‘t praised highly (and therefore given false confidence) by their coach each time they actually weren‘t that good.
her fans were obviously upset but i‘m pretty sure deep down they knew that ariana made some questionable decisions over the span of the show that led her to that moment and that her top 8 team didn‘t stand a chance against the very good teams of the other coaches, who also made decisions based on vocal ability and strategy rather than friendships. this wasn’t planned cause she definitely could’ve made it with raquel or hailey but she let them go for whatever reason when it was still in her power. it wasn‘t at all like a zoe alexander story obviously, i said this in another comment, the Voice has never done things like that, jim & sasha were still nice to listen to but in comparison to actually outstanding vocalists just weren‘t good enough for the finale. but as you said, doesn‘t matter anyways cause sasha has now 200k followers and clearly established a friendship with ariana grande (if you watch her instagram stories) so he probably won already.
btw, it‘s funny that you said that, cause i also thought that they brought in ariana for ratings and that there‘s gonna be SO many more people watching but honestly, comparing it to past seasons, not much changed in viewers! the last season precovid (coaches: kelly, gwen, john, blake) had almost the same amount of viewers in the US, then they dropped a little (mainly because of covid cause it was all filmed remotely) and now we‘re back again where we used to be. maybe cause a lot of ariana fans are international, i don‘t know, but she certainly didn‘t make a huge difference in ratings. and ariana also said that the best thing about the voice was the people she got to meet and the memories she got to make with them so it‘s a win-win-situation i guess.
@@lalalala4568 i agree with all of this, and the og comment. Honestly watching her cry on national live tv week after week was traumatizing for me as a fan and i hope she doesnt do this to herself again...
Also proximity to ari has not proven to be of much help to other artists really, she truly outshines people so sasha will still have to prove himself to achieve fame
@@lalalala4568 Sasha and father duo wasn’t vocally the best it was kind of like ari was going by the personal relationship instead of the competition. She let go of the ones she actually had a shot with for the duo.
Ari’s team was probably the most stacked in terms of talent anyway, (before a lot of them started going home) so I think she won regardless!
@@lalalala4568 this is a VERY good analysis and I think I agree with most of it! I think Ariana really came to have fun, meet new artists and get a big check. She didn’t seem to care much about winning, but instead cared about supporting the artists she loved. Which is a great thing if you ask me.
Zoes audition makes me question my past opinions about contestants who didn’t stand up for themselves :/
I auditioned for American Idol a couple of years ago and was disappointed when I didn't get a call back, but maybe that was a blessing in disguise.
I genuinely hate the fact that there are "headhunters" for talent for these types of contests, but what bothers me the most is the fact that people scout talent just for them to be humiliated on live TV, it doesn't matter how good or bad they are. On my country's version of "America's Got Talent" a local choir I know was contacted by the production to take part in the audition process. They agreed because it was a paid gig and local choirs are often underfunded, so a paid gig is always good.
A thing about this choir: they have been recognized as one of the best choirs of the area during competitions and their director was at the time the president of the European Association for Choir Singing (Europa Cantat, if you are interested).
Auditions come, and despite them putting on an amazing show they get rejected. Which is fine honestly, they were not expecting to go on very further. The thing that stings the most was the fact that one of the judges (who is a famous local youtuber, he is a "comedian" and knows nothing about choir and coral music) started talking as a choir conoisseur and started pointing out inexistent mistakes, saying that the piece wasn't right for them (despite winning competitions with competent judges telling them otherwise) and giving them "advice". The cringiest thing I've ever watched in my entire life honestly.
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it's so interesting to me that people actually enjoy these 'meltdown compilations' and stuff? I asked a friend about it once and she just said "well they're just funny and I kinda feel better about myself because I'm not like 'those' people?" idk I physically cannot watch these kinda segments because of the second hand embarrassment/empathy/cringe I go through every time :D I'm just in no way made to watch reality tv/competition shows like that BUT I learned a lot so thank youu
I like the ones where it’s obvious that the person auditioning is aware of how they’ll be portrayed and play into it. Especially since those compilations are so popular people know now that if they go on and are intentionally outrageous they’ll get a lot of screen time and those can be genuinely enjoyable, especially when the judges are so serious about it.
I agree about how the inclusion of "bad talent" is obviously meant to appeal to the worst in the audience. As a viewer you are meant to laugh at them. So whether that "contestant" did it willingly or not, the show is using them to play the fool for the audience's entertainment in a rather mean-spirited way. That such shows manipulate every circumstance so that these contestants are certain to make fools of themselves, regardless of whether they actually have enough talent to put on a credible performance or not, makes it all worse.
I feel dirty and complicit when watching, like I have been part of a crowd watching somebody bully someone. It doesn't matter if the victim is a willing participant, happy for the attention, or not, the bullying and the laughing crowd is still unpleasant.
Darling you’re old fashioned like me. It’s low vibrational I don’t enjoy laughing at someone it’s better to laugh with someone I don’t like embarrassing people especially publicly or watching it. I honestly hate comparisons so I naturally don’t like these bad spirited competitions
I’d rather watch Survivor
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those compilations used to be my go to youtube videos as a kid, i kind of thought the same as your friend honestly. it made me feel better about myself -- i've always loved to sing, so i would think "i could do way better than them!" -- and while i found some situations to be sad or hard to watch, i thought others were pretty funny. i watched one of my old favorite compilations after many years as an older teenager and i was horrified. it felt so mean spirited and you can tell that so many of the people were misled in order to be in that situation.
I have been in the audience at X factor before with my mum and there would be a man who would come in between breaks and encourage us to cheer or boo at certain people. Also he said make sure you look good because we may use you in other shows. So this one show that I went to could edit me into the audience of multiple episodes.
Oohhh that's interesting. I always wondered about those super up-close moments of individual audience members.
I also wondered, is the audience prompted to applaud a lot? These shows have so much applause!
It isn't specific to this show. It's been the industry standard for many TV shows that get filmed with live audiences present for decades. It's been acknowledged that it's like that in the U.S. and has been for a very long time. From personal experience it's like that in Britain, it's like that in France and probably in most countries.
I still think about how on the first day of high school, in 2003, my physics teacher straight up ditched us mid-introduction because the word got out that American Idol tryouts were in town, and she was never seen again.
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I am really surprised to see how the same show can have completely different recording processes depending on the country. I am part of the 2021 "The Voice of Turkey" (O ses Türkiye) cast and every single audition and interaction with the production crew was actually genuine. The contracts are pretty basic, nothing abusive, producers are sooo ok with everything, there are no made up lines, we were always very comfortable, our families were treated nicely.
I am really shocked watching this... Reality tv seems to be way more toxic in the US. I've never had any training before going to my blind audition, I have never had anybody styling my clothes except for one supervisor who sew my bra straps into my dress so it wouldn't fall off during the performance. I had no social media help, the judge who chose me to join her team was pretty present through the entire journey of the show and once I was eliminated, the producers kept following me, we talk to each other... it's a complete differente universe than what you get in other countries, apparently.
Still very shocked. wow.
Tbh when seeing the clips of The Voice Turkey and some other countries I can see how it looks more real and is edited more real.
Rebecca ferguson was a UK X factor contestant and has a twitter page where she exposes the abuse she received from the producers on the show and how bad the contacts are, what she went through was really sad xx
Hey Jasmine, one thing would love to hear your opinion in is Eurovision, as it is often a bit vice versa that some acts clearly meant to be a ‘Joke act’ somehow reach high placement (like Russian grandma’s singing about baking reaching second place) and also it having really weird political dynamics.
Also, the voice of Holland (the original one) is sooo different from the American one. Focus is wayy less on the coaches and much more on contestants, Wich also is due to the relatively littler fame with them being Dutch and therefore some acts on the Voice of Holland (such as Maan) really make it in the Dutch Industry
I heard a lot of good things about other countries’ talent shows. I guess capitalism hasn’t broken them yet.
The russian bread grandmas were actually good though. And I think a lot of people actually vote for the "joke" acts, cause the more serious stuff can get pretty samey when you watch it every year. (So. Many. Power. Ballads. Ugh.)
At least the jokes are funny, and like, it's very very rare for the music to actually be bad imo, even if the costumes and lyrics are weird.
I remember how after watching so many season of American Idol, I didn't understand why they would laugh at people. Also I remember during one season of The X Factor, Simon said to two contestants, that people weren't going to like them, because of how they dressed. One of them responded with "baby that's life".
Which season?
i even know a The Voice Argentina winner who ended up being thrown out there to get nothing after the show not only because he wasn't supported later on, but because he couldn't perform due to the pandemic. hope he's doing better now though
I was looking at a list just recently actually of people who won The Voice in the US and literally /none/ of them are super successful. There's a couple women who are moderately successful in the country music scene, but no big superstars.
Also American Idol hasn't had a successful winner in a while either. Their most successful recent finalist was Jax who placed third. But her success isn't from that, it's from blowing up on tiktok.
Gabby Barrett became quite successful, didn't she?
@@richieswar3139 yeah, I thought of her afterwards. Didn't feel like going back and editing my comment. But she's one of the only exceptions and didn't win.
@@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz Oh fair enough. I was not actually expecting it at all, as I really thought idol's days of producing success stories were over
American Idol is the only one in America that has successful artists regularly. But even with them, I don’t think they’ve had one since Gabby Barrett.
The only people from The Voice that I can even remember or say are remotely “famous” are Melanie Martinez, who didn’t win…and Juliet Simms…who I only knew of because I was a fan of her husband Andy Biersack first.
It (American Idol, Pop Idol, X Factor etc) isn't so much a singing competition, I would say it is more like glorified reality TV. The main sort of criteria for getting through a stage on X Factor, is to have a good sob story and a decent voice. If that doesn't work, then the producers sabotage the auditions.
I feel bad because I used to watch the X Factor when I was younger, not knowing that the producers make the auditionees look bad, basically destroying their dreams. Now that I'm older and a lot more cynical, the show was basically public humiliation.
It became apparent to me after Jennifer Hudson lost and had a bigger career than any of the winners, that shows were just meh and also the guy who couldn't sing got a music contract.
@@ADWebTV There was this massive hoo-ha about not wanting Adam Lambert to win season 8 of AI, I believe they didn't want an openly gay man winning the show, I believe that the guy who won was someone called Kris Allen, who was everything the producers probably wanted, straight and not flamboyant.
I'm glad that Adam didn't win just for the reason that, he would forever have the association to the show affiliated with him, and how much it would stunt his creative growth. He's also touring with the remaining members of Queen as well, he's doing an exemplary job of picking up where Freddie left off, but no one will compare to Freddie.
I knew these shows were fake not only because I’ve been to the open call auditions for The Voice which were ridiculous (6 hours waiting in line outside and inside, intimidating rooms, not choosing extremely capable/interesting contestants to go through, etc.)
But I also watched The Voice this season because of Ariana, duh and I noticed that in almost all the interviews before the blind auditions, the contestants go on and on talking about how this is “the biggest stage” and “I’ll never get an opportunity like this again” and it’s “such a huge deal” So obviously scripted. I was kinda annoyed by the blatant brain washing, I stopped watching.
I'm surprised she didn't mention amateur night at Showtime at the Apollo. That was HUGE and acts like the Jackson 5 and Lauryn Hill were discovered there. It was a pretty big deal.
I was in a girl group in highschool and we met one of the producers of American Idol who was doing a couple of projects here in Mexico. He told us all about the fake audition process and even told us how when someone is "ridiculous" they give them more ideas and egg them on to ridicule them further, like if someone sucks at singing they'll be like "omg you sound just like Michael Jackson, for your next round you should wear one of his outfits and dance like him" and stuff like that
Also one of my friends from said group ended up going on The Voice Mexico, she was recruited via Instagram. She was told she couldn't sing in English, but most of her repertoire were very belty Christina Aguilera like songs in English bc that's her style and really shows off her voice, they gave her a list of songs to work on, most of them old Mexican pop music, only to have her sing against a girl singing Mariah Carey, they also styled her horribly from makeup to clothes, and she only met her celebrity coach twice.
That’s really sad :/ just a bunch of bullies
Man, I’d love to join a singing competition, win $1500 and just go back to my home to never sing again.
i knew so much about this but this video was still really informative and i learned many new things - i wonder if you'll ever check out kpop survival shows such as produce 101 and girls planet 999 which are like these singing competitions where they try to debut kpop groups, they are also very heavily scripted and contestants are 'evil edited' but yet people fall for them (even i do sometimes which sucks)
I’d love to look into this i’ve never watched one but have heard of them briefly
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@@jasminezade And I feel like you would be fascinated by how popular and successful the groups of these shows become with brand deals and charting already guaranteed.
Yes! And you can touch on the whole scandal with X1 and how they had to disband because it came out that the voting was rigged or whatever
@@jasminezade They are definitely very interesting because a lot of smaller companies send trainees there as a last resort to save their company. It's great publicity even participants don't win
I always felt like they set Zoe up...she was too emotional for her to just be "crazy" for saying "YOU TOLD ME TO DO A PINK SONG!" They did be slick towards her just to get a good take making her look bad...smh
I keep saying how fucked up it is to put literal kids in this fucked up environments that are singing shows, but now I'm genuinely scared about what the children have to go through in shows like The Voice Kids (it's very successful here in Brazil)
I don't know if this happens anywhere else but in my country's demon spawn of American Idol they had a separate pop-up channel showing the "behind the scenes" but it's really just the bad singers getting clowned on, it felt so mean-spirited :(
In France they did something similar both for the first batch ever of Big Brother France back in 2000 (le Loft) and later for a few singing shows that came right afterwards. A dedicated channel showing supposedly in real time and supposedly unedited footage but weirdly enough it was mostly steamy or showing contestants in negative light... (and it was not for free with only a few hours shown for free daily to entice viewers to buy subscriptions).
Are you South African? Because same.
@@sinolukhalo5121 I'm South African and was also thinking that
My step-dad is absolutely infatuated with these shows. He has been ever since the first season of American Idol. No matter what evidence you could show him, he'll have none of it. He's completely bought into the illusion.
I'm glad that you mentioned the details about The Voice. I've noticed that some of the contestant's that audition for the show are sometimes people who already have a career before auditioning.
That in itself doesn't make the audition process fake. The forms you fill when you intend to audition for these shows do have questions regarding your existing experience in the field (as an amateur or professional) so it definitely weighs in the balance depending on where you're from and how broadly you are known or not. Not everyone with a career in music/singing is known for it outside of the specific network of people they're working with. Some, because they come from smaller territories, some because they made their entire career as background vocalists and some because they do work which doesn't get them visual or name recognition (like voiceover work or singing cartoon soundtracks). People wouldn't know who they are when they show up if not for the forms with the contract...
I one time auditioned for America’s Got Talent and in the paper work they literally ask if you have any trauma
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I WISH i could hear from former producers and workers on these singing shows and what it was like for them to have to treat contestants like that because, unless they are terrible people, that has to weigh on their conscience
off topic but i've been thinking about cutting my hair and you're seriously making me consider it, looking stunning jasmine 😩
DOOO IT thanks so much
watching bad auditions is definitely my guilty pleasure, i will watch Rachel Lester for the rest of my days
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Its like a big lottery. You probably won't win but there will always be people with enough hope to keep it going, even when told it's fake.
The one season of American Idol that I actually kept up with and watched was the year Scotty McCreary won. However, at the time my mom and I were rooting for Haley Reinhart. Looking back, it was obvious she wasn’t as marketable, being a more soulful artist in a time where they thought the country market would get them the most success. Even early on in the show, despite her obvious talent, the judges were unusually harsh and critical of her, which now watching your video I know now was a tactic to have the public turn on a contestant. Yet despite the constant excessive critique, she went on to place 3rd (and many theorize that the hate from the judges actually caused a spike in viewers voting for her out of spite).
I think Reinhart’s case is a cool example of when the show’s intentions ultimately fail. She was in the bottom three multiple times over, yet the voters kept her on way longer than the producers intended despite their best efforts, amassing a pretty decent sized cult following in the process.
Oh no, I’m in Kentucky and I had friends annually drive to Nashville to get a shot on American idol***. NONE of them knew it was like this because they didn’t tell you. That’s so tragic! Like they never even had a shot & were taking time and money to go. They were actually a lot of hopeful auditions
I auctioned for my country's Got Talent when I was 12 and I wish I knew all of this before that because once I saw how things actually were behind the scenes little 12 year old me had her hopes dashed and became so disillusioned. I was so disappointed and disgusted that before you get onto the televised rounds you have to go through off screen auditions and realized that all the "bad" acts were selected to be made fun of.
everyone kept telling me to audition for the voice, so i did. they didn’t pick a single person from my group :) and everyone there was EXTREMELY good. felt fishy to me
I seem to remember reality shows getting big when TV writers went on strike. What they’ve done should be criminal. We need a new government, one that will do something about situations like these.
They don’t care about talent. It shows that TV has no talent. 🤮
I think there needs to be a crack down on reality shows who don’t pay people to be on the show. Like I’ve been hearing that ANTM didn’t pay their contestants either when they give up their whole lives, quit their jobs, had their families watching their children for weeks just to have a shot at fame. The least these shows can do is pay them for their time on the show when the shows make millions in ratings
Hey just letting you know that if you actually talk to a lawyer, you can break the contract if they have some provisions in it. I am trying to personally make legal services more accessible to people.
And the thing about judges being parodies in shows I thought of Byron Powell from Bratz
The X factor also made Trevi Moran sing sexy and I know it for her “audition” when she was like 13 even though she said she didn’t want to
I like to think of reality shows as rather than having a pure script, they have a storyboard/graphic organizer of the points they want to hit. There are some lines, but for the most part, the "contestants" are essentially improving what they say and do to hit certain points.
tl;dr: if a show has simon or is inspired from a show with simon, don’t audition for it or even watch it
one of my favorite childhood memories is watching American Idol with my mom every week & I can't believe it was a lie lol. this was a great video
Its like finding out how a magic trick is done
beside the voice, i’ve always absolutely HATED singing/talent competitions
i remember my sister worked freelance at the voice and i was so excited, thinking she would be at the actual gig but she was just at one of the many MANY open calls
hey jasmine, i have a question though (this might be long, i apologize in advance):
is the Voice really on the level of fake of the X-factor? cause it seems like the Voice doesn‘t even try to find a "superstar", just give exposure to great artists. ofc they’re still a tv show but there‘s no mockery, no incredibly bad singers they let audition just for a laugh (honestly everyone who doesn‘t make it is still extremely good), barely any sad sobstories and no "drama" like contestant fights or new lovebirds who found each other on the show shown. it doesn‘t seem to me like they‘re even trying to make it overly dramatic or funny. everytime i read a post about "the Voice SHOCKING TRUTHS told by ex-contestants" it‘s literally the obvious, nothing bad. like there are multiple auditions beforehand (obviously cause you can‘t let 1000 people that can‘t even hold a tune audition) or that some coaches don‘t actually spend time with you (i mean.. duh? it‘s not even marketed as if they are and i hope everyone knows that they work more with vocal coaches than the real coaches) or that you have to have time when your coach has time even if it‘s in the middle of the night (i mean.. uncomfortable maybe but not a „shock“ in my opinion) etc. like i never actually heard of rigged voting, winner being chosen beforehand or something like that. obviously contracts, yes, but nothing too shocking in comparison to x-factor.
like social media training? not surprising to me, they can’t just post everything while they’re obviously trying to make good tv. also, the clothes being picked by stylists is also not too much of a surprise cause obviously they should look decent for their live shows. but doesn’t seem like they tell the contestants to necessarily talk about their sobstories from childhood or so after they’ve made it through the blinds and they also don’t have to do these incredibly ridiculous skits (like the one with harry and the girls in 2010 lmao). i mean.. what would be the point after all if they don‘t even try to produce a record-selling star (and the current form of entertainment is enough to keep ratings up)? cause if they were trying to do that, the label affiliated with the Voice would care to support the winners more than it does (to make them these international stars to get them money) which blake has stated it doesn’t many times. since they‘re not going for looks/stage presence in the blinds (and frankly a LOT of contestants that move on do not fit the beauty standards at all), they probably know no one‘s gonna make it huge anyways.
i feel like every ex-contestant and coach always speaks highly of the Voice in comparison to X-factor contestants who clearly are not to keen on simon (though it‘s funny cause that may have just developed over time as shows got more successful cause kelly and simon seem to be friends and actually hang out and like/respect each other, like you can tell she actually likes him in comparison to people like niall or louis).
so.. i guess my question is: is the Voice really there to develop a star (if so, they‘ve successfuly failed!) or just for a few months of tv fun and good voices? seems like the show is built on respect and humanity moreso than trying to sell a product and put the contestants into horrendously strict contracts for years and wear them out just to make money like the whole sony/simon group certainly did with their acts. i mean, the coaches are apparently not even allowed to give negative critique in the liveshows cause it could interfere with voting. like wouldn’t coaches hating the artists’s performance be so much more entertaining and drama? apparently they even have therapists and psychologists hired to take care of the contestants if they can‘t handle their elimination (this was confirmed by producers and contestants).
btw, i don‘t wanna defend anyone (i truly don‘t care) but every coach on this panel (besides ariana obvi cause she‘s new) has taken their ex contestants on tour, made music with them, even have them write songs for them (brynn cartelli and kelly for example) and truly support them on socials (or even befriend them apparently) more than the label will ever do. kelly has said a few times that her and brynn (and brynn‘s mom) are close friends, she also had her + 2 other ex-team-members of her team on her daytime talkshow to support their original music!
all in all, i was just wondering how big of a difference in "fake" there is between let‘s say shows made by simon and the Voice cause it doesn’t seem like the Voice is even trying to make people products. like, what are the negative sides for the contestants on the Voice if they literally come across as 1) very nice (literally everyone this season) and 2) very talented and not only there because of their looks and sobstories. they get exposure, new fans and maybe are later able to make some money off of music and since they do not get humiliated on live tv, it doesn‘t look like there‘s many negative things for them happening. maybe those contracts after the show but still… i’ve never heard a the Voice contestant be branded as rude or unlikeable like zoe and many other x factor contestants have. the positive seems to outweight the negative in this case, right? definitely will never achieve 1D kinda success but i‘ve watched the full season this year and not a single time a contestant was coming across as rude or not pleasant to work with. i‘m definitely gonna be listening to their music in the future. and tbh, even if the whole show was completely scriped from beginning to end (though people have said that the show is actually quite "real" from beginning to end) i‘d rather watch a show that highlights the contestants vocals and performances and respects them (as far as possible in such a wild industry) and not make them stars than see people break down on stage cause they were humiliated in front of millions.
and even for example if they win and get signed to that shitty label, they can still make something out of it. i‘m taking brynn as an example again cause i enjoy her music, but she won the voice 2018 at 14 years old and dropped the label after only 5 months and with kelly‘s help, signed with Atlantic (which is also Kelly‘s label), went on tour with her and dropped an EP in 2021. obviously she‘s not necessarily a worldstar but i think for a lot of people that kinda success is just enough to be happy. (it is funny though cause brynn is exactly one of the people you mentioned. someone recorded a video of her singing and posted it and nbc emailed her asking if she wants to try out for the blinds. other contestants have however said that they‘ve tried out 6 times and only at their 7th time they got chosen. i don‘t think that email made brynn win at all. it just made her path TO the blind auditions easier but from there on she was equal to everyone else. no one ever claimed that people are NOT emailed to try out and no one ever claimed that all the contestants auditioning actually went through the open-call-process, i‘m not sure why it‘s such a shock that they look for people to try out)
edit: i just re-read my comment and it literally sounds like i‘m the biggest the Voice fan ever which i am NOT at all lol! i just happened to watch this season (and have watched many seasons of X factor) and as a very critical viewer (i‘m literally cringing at every scripted skit the coaches do), the only thing the voice this year has done for me as a viewer is expose me to new artists whose music i can further support and whose performances and growth i got to watch on the show. certainly nobody gained a bad reputation. it just seems the Voice‘s intentions are a little more… good and pure (if that‘s even a word you can use in this industry) in comparison to the other shows you mentioned so i wasn‘t sure if they can truly be put in the same category here.
btw, love your videos
I didn’t read all of what you wrote but I something I would say is that the voice is a little less about the actual contestants and more about the coaches. It’s about the coaches making jokes to each other and blocking them from getting a person and that kind of stuff
@@jacelyn2635 yeah that is true. though i am happy that they don‘t use the coaches crying as an advertisement like x factor did. i thought that was so ridiculous cause it made it seem like the most important thing about the show is that a celebrity on the panel is tearing up.
Heard it from a mom who's kid was in the voice kids. He was already in the live show and was chosen for duel. Right before he went on stage he was handed a music contract. Basically it was already decided that he will lose before he even performed....
@@zeacahill9408 what does "duel" mean?
i don‘t know about the voice kids and how they handle things tbh. we don‘t even have the Voice kids here in the US as far as i remember. maybe it‘s true, i don‘t know, but most of the times the winner of the past seasons of the Voice US have actually had the best social media response from fans and the most itunes streams so it would technically just make sense for the viewers to have actually voted them 1st. i mean, looking at girl named tom this year, they had 7 songs on itunes charting - 2 of them #1 (that has never happened before on the Voice), they were fan favourites from the beginning and their original music had immense success on spotify during the Voice so i‘m not sure why people believe the producers chose this win in particular for example when clearly they were miles ahead before anyone in terms of likability and broad audience. so maybe you‘re right, what do i know, but it does make sense for the winners to win mostly (like there‘s never been a win that i can remember that someone truly unlikeable and undeserving won which didn‘t make sense at all) so if no one actually speaks up "against" the Voice publicly (like zoe for x-factor), i‘ll just believe the obvious. as i said, everytime i read about ex contestants‘ "shocking truths" about the Voice it‘s literally about the prerounds, outfits and used vocal coaches rather than any shocking revealings about the show. by now the earlier season‘s contestants‘ contracts would have expired so technically they could come out with the truth but as i said, even if they don‘t win, the Voice is an opportunity for them to make their vocals heard and from season to season it‘s almost 100% positive, like no humiliation or so, so i don‘t think the contestants are that bitter about it. it‘s a win-win for them.
One thing about the voice in The Netherlands: there was just a couple weeks ago a very big exposure that two coaches and some other people who worked with the production are sexually abusive. One of the coaches was from the voice KIDS!! KIDS literal kids are being a part of this. That makes me so freaking angry because wtf. These are innocent human beings, they shouldn't be exposed to this that young. But coming back to the topic, there was one very informative video about it and the 'big boss' literally said that the biggest problem is that those women WHO GET ASSAULTED don't speak up. Like wtf no, the biggest problem is that those tv-shows still exist and that women still have to fear to not be assaulted. That is absolutely awful
imo katy in american idol and ariana in the voice were booked for views
Sob stories on game shows and competition shows go back to the 1940s or 50s when there was a literal competition for housewives to tell their sob stories about how hard their life had been since the war in order to win money
oh my god that doesn't even sound real, do you know where i can find a show like that?
@@xpandoravampirex1355 I think the show was called "Queen For A Day".
hey jasmine, i was so pleasantly surprised by this video and im so glad you did it. i've seen zoey alexander's video before (both the x factor one and the one she made about her experience) and it's so important for people to see how fake and fabricated these shows are. obviously i love x factor because it gave us one direction and fifth harmony- and those two groups mean everything to me- but it's so upsetting to see how other people are humiliated on tv by these producers for good entertainment.
Fun fact - at the cattle calls, the paperwork literally says “what’s your story”
🎼just give her the big banana!
Ba-na-na-na-na-na-na-naaaaa!
I find it interesting that with little mix we didn’t even get a proper introduction to them like their auditions were like 5 seconds, we didn’t get showed much of them. Unlike 1D they proper built them up as main ppl as we got all introduced to them properly, the whole thing with zayn not being able to dance, like they really focused on them and with other Winn or ppl that got far we saw their background/story but with little mix we don’t and the show didn’t really see them as ppl that could get far until like week 3 then they started pushing them more, as yes it was one off their best but they also included clip of jesy extremely upset from being bullied, so we would feel for her and push the narrative of they are just like us which is horrid as she was obviously being targeted and they used that as a story line
jazmine: and then you wonder why huge stars that came off of the x factor never name drop simon or never say anything negative about him explicitely
interviewer: what did simon cowell give you?
harry: anxiety
love him
Can you do a video about Eurovision? It's... a singing competition but with a lot of happiness, drama, chaotic energy, subtle handling of geopolitical issues, and Flo Rida represented San Marino this year. It's... wilddddd
10:34 that clip of christina grimmie caught me off guard. she was a great singer and role model, RIP.
I miss her 💚💚
resisting the urge to cut 12 inches of my hair and dying it red bc urs looks so gooodd😩😩
I knew there was a reason I fucking *despised* singing competition shows as a kid. Just feels like something's off, it's terrible.
I tell you, you would have a blast talking about idol survival shows
Simon Cowell to music is what Gordon Ramsey to cooking. They have loads of similar qualities and it is honestly mind blowing.
Gordon is as fake as Simon? That's a real shame.
@@monsieurromanbedlam5101 I mean all reality shows are faked so it is likely that the anger outbursts that Gordon Ramsey is known for are probably faked for views and ratings.
This makes me think of William Hung who auditioned for american idol in 2004 and after watching the part about the girl who was forced to sing a Pink song, it makes sense why his bit was aired-to be a laughing stock. It’s so sinister and racist and cruel. Im glad he got something out of it (sort of?) with his dunkin donuts commercial, etc but ehhh fuck hollywood
Growing up with people around me telling me to go on the X factor was very jarring. From early on I knew I didn't want my life and hardships to be milked for reality tv and I didn't want to be moulded by a contract. People unaware of the behind the scenes just couldn't understand how soul-destroying these productions can be
I remember when I went to d factor auditions (in Australia) as an audience member they literally recorded us doing a bunch of different reactions before the judges event came out and stuff
Some people actually come to do the horrible acts that get boo’ed off like when Trisha Payton’s was on America’s got Talent. They get scouted as well. But the ones that they manipulate into braking down or getting no’s is f’ed up!!!
I'm so glad you used Harry's video I can't haha
the way it was the only one i could think of showing someone checking in 😭
@@jasminezade Okay so we connected Jasmine
Next step must be sharing secrets and telling stories to each other as good old friends
Now you know i'm exist 😂
Don’t forget the TV show Popstars. It started and 2000 and launched Nicole Scherzinger’s first group Eden’s Crush. Also Making The Band in the early 2000’s. Who launched O-Town, Da Band, Danity Kane and Day26
Also I auditioned for American Idol in 2004. The first round of Auditions is for the producers ONLY. The “Judges” weren’t even there that day. They came the next day after everyone selected for the show “Auditions” were already picked.
The contract was trash. Even at 17 I knew it wasn’t it. You’re right though we were given the contract to read and sign on the spot before we could even audition.
you explain everything in such depth and the best way, i literally love watching your videos
Providing the entertainment for my isolation period I see, thank you very much
Great video! I think it's also worth pointing out that as music industry nepotism has become more widespread and the culling of arts funding and access to creative resources (here in the UK at least) these shows are seen as a way in for working-class people who otherwise don't have connections like their wealthier counterparts would. This ties in well with the bootstraps narrative that's become prominent as the entertainment industry, as in wider society, has closed ranks towards those from lower incomes in recent years. As you touched on as well, you don't need to win the show to get a career and often the runners up end up at least with one album and are completely forgotten about within 2 years as they're displaced by next year's winner. Given the shift in the media landscape people can at least attempt to sustain a career as an influencer regardless of people having seen them on the show, and previous contestants can try a comeback this way too.
Also I'm not sure what the situation is in the US but certainly in the UK, the Syco shows have strategically had the monopoly on the Christmas No.1 single for the last 20 years too, so they' make big £££ from that on top of it all. I completely agree that these shows have surely run their course by now and as its audience has become so critical, people surely won't still be attracted to these shows for much longer. Speaking of audiences, I do think the shift from the "initial" auditions in front of "just" the judges, to doing the (filmed) "initial" auditions in front of an audience too must really have changed things, at least for the contestants.
Peter Kay did a parody of the format and British reality TV in general in 2008 called "Britain's Got the Pop Factor and Possibly a New Celebrity Jesus Christ Soapstar Superstar Strictly on Ice", check out the Winner's Song for a great spoof of every winner's song ever to emerge from such a show.
I found out about this slightly from watching niki and gabi’s video about going to an audition and their experience was similar. I’ve also always thought the people that are confident & bad were set up or slightly staged because they’re always very over the top. I’m confused on why people genuinely think that these shows are serious or not slightly calculated
This video helped make some much sense of people on these singing shows cause I always wondered why people who are like literally either just dying or someone close to them died or even disabled and they could sing so bad and get a golden buzzer like what did I miss Ana episode or something that never made sense until now
Yall remember when someone would get voted off american idol they’d always play “cause you had a bad day” song i miss that
Lol I tried out for American idol once and I waited outside for like 8 hours just to sing one song for 30 seconds 🤣
Competition shows are acceptable "work for exposure" .
this video was really interesting! question about group acts on shows like the xfactor; are the individual people scouted and then put together on the show or are they organized as a group beforehand too? (thinking of cases like 1d, 5h, & little mix where they auditioned as solo artists)
i definitely think that it‘s not as ✨magical✨ as they make it seem. like simon, the incredible god-like coach just randomly picks out these guys (even though they‘re not even THAT good in their auditions) and then get them into a group that becomes one of the biggest boybands of all time? same with little mix & 5H. i‘m not sure how exactly it works but maybe it was planned from the beginning to want a good group on the show so they purposely asked kids that could sing if they would like to act like they auditioned alone but then be put into a group - and those kids already were picked to have somewhat of a good voice, ability to harmonize and also look very good. i mean, with 1D it‘s a whole mess cause they’ve told us about 10 different stories when and how they first met. literally saying they never knew each other before they got put together in a group but then there‘s stories/pics resurfacing that prove that they did know each other before they were put into a group or even before x factor.
however it works, it‘s definitely not like they show us. it just makes simon come across as super powerful and smart.
bro i could show this to my mom and she still would think The Voice is legit like….smh
omg u should react to some korean survival programs on patreon! i would totally pay for that ur reaction would be so interesting especially since ur not too familiar with the kpop industry process!!! korean survival shows, although sometimes scripted and faked, can be a great way to learn about the behind the scenes of the industry and how kpop groups are formed.
The one American Idol season I remember was Carrie Underwoods I remember voting for her and cheering for her and hoping she would win. I was so happy when she won and to this day I'm a fan of hers I literally grew up with her music (I was 9 when she won and now I'm 25 so I literally grew up with her music)
I had a teacher and he could sing pretty good and auditioned for the voice and was (not on screen) rejected because of his looks, which is still so odd to me. (This was for the voice of Holland)
I love that you're actually holding a mic like a commentator. You are fantastic, hilarious and really smart. Happy holidays.
I really never got the impression that The Voice DIDN'T scout/weed out their contestants for the blind auditions, esp because (from what I remember, its been years) they never really showed casting calls and had a very polished set and B-shots. The fact that they media train their contestant before the blind audtions is also quite responsible in my opinion? Whether it be to push a narrative if certain contestant get through or to cover the producer's asses, having training -media training *especially* - seems very positive. If people's stories or time are in some way being exploited they are at least getting tools to deal with the public and if they do not go through, had professional training that I'm sure would be valuable regardless.
Honestly, these shows remind me of kpop entertainment companies, but even less transparent. Like, the ent companies are pretty quiet about stuff, but at the very least, everyone knows that training is grueling and usually ends in failure. It's known that a lot of the companies have talent scouts that pick trainees. Whereas while people know these shows are fake... A lot don't know how or to what extent.
the only good thing about the voice is they don't deliberately put people on, so the public can then make fun of them
I've always wondered why the family are so supportive (when the person is bad). My Mum told me outright I'm not good enough at singing to go on a show like this when we watched Pop Idol or whatever it was (our first singing contest show)! Loved this video 🤩
I have never liked competition shows bc of how phony they are, but I have always been intrigued by the premise of The Voice so I finally marathoned this most recent season. I was surprised at how good all of the auditions were, even the ones where they didn’t turn any chairs. It doesn’t seem like The Voice does the same humiliation tactic that American Idol does. It seems like The Voice wants to make the audience feel like it’s a more serious and technical show compared to other competitions.
Also I love that you brought up the fact that The Voice styles their contestants bc I literally just tweeted a few days ago “whoever is the stylist for The Voice deserves a raise” lmao also it’s so obvious that they get training before the blind auditions, especially since they have a band back them up when they sing. They would need to be able to practice that quite a bit before going on stage.
Here in Italy the X Factor is still alive and some quite talented people have come out of it, like Maneskin and Marco Mengoni, but the most ridiculous one is Amici Of Maria De Filippi (Amici means Friends) which was previously called Saranno Famosi (the italian title of the movie/series Fame) which takes the fiction to ridiculous extremes, creating a sort of high school environment.