**NOTES AND IMPORTANT INFO** I'm so sorry you guys, something went wrong with the TH-cam upload and there's about a minute of black screen towards the end. Unfortunately I was too late to catch this before most people watched it and I don't want to lose their comments. The only "fix" I can do is cut the section out because that's the only post-release editing TH-cam allows, so I have done that. Apologies to channel members since it's their names that have been cut. If you want to know what the little "theory" was, I have included the text from my script here for you to read: "The Goddess of Flowers - who kinda served as a catalyst for this whole thing - is also a reference to the Queen of Sheba; that much we already covered. But did you know the Queen of Sheba was rumored to be the daughter of a Jinn and a Human? If the same semi-human status holds true for the Goddess of Flowers, then there’s a very good chance that she was a child that resulted from the union of the Seelie and the Traveler from Afar. If you didn’t know, the Seelie and the Traveler married in the Lunar Palace under the blessing of the Moon Sisters and this union is often cited as the reason why the moons fought each other and died. The Seelie and her Lover were separated and each experienced a memory wipe. Given that Seelies aren’t permitted to fall in love, you have to wonder if this was the reason behind it - or if the offspring of the two races mixed together created something unwanted by god: The Nephilim."
@@RafidW9 maybe I'm biased... but absolutely. He's very interesting, with us barely knowing anything about him, and the little we know raises more questions.
‘Khaenri'ah, huh? You sure know a lot! The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone. The sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning.’ It’s crazy that Kaeya has had this voiceline since the beginning of the game and we all believed his term ‘sinner’ indicated his internal daddy issues which became synonymous with his homeland. But based on this voiceline alone I feel like Kaeya probably knows who the ‘sinner’ is.
Don't think he does I think he was referring to khaenriah's people since keaya said he wasn't really living in khaenriah he spent most his life in monstadt
I feel like Kaeya actually knows way more, and his "half truths" are really true. He uses his reputation as someone dishonest to get away with revealing truths with no consequences. If he is not always honest; then what he says doesn't have any meaning or value. Celestia doesn't have to worry about the things he reveals, since no one believes him anyway. Just my thoughts on it, sorry if it doesn't really fit.
@@joaosantos-uj9uw doesn't mean he won't be reincarnated/isekai'd as ayato, Artem wing and luocha And also il D-OTTO-re, Favonius knight church guard Otto and sus drip looking Kaveh Edit: and also APHO void archive Edit2: and also deshret
It is likely that in the future there will be a war between Celestia and the Abyss, with the "Heavenly Principles" representing Celestia and the "Sinner" representing the Abyss, and Teyvat being used as a Board where these two transcendental forces will use their pawns in battle, getting the People of Teyvat caught in the crossfire
@@uch1hasxrasa idk why people would want to help the Abyss when it's responsible for leyline disorders and various types of monsters and diseases. Maybe the Abyss Order will gain more supporters but the Abyss is absolutely not
Aether's chest looks like it could conceal a Khaenri'ahn like emblem - where the center crystal emits the element they're resonating with. I think there's a lot of creditability.
That’s actually nuts! I never noticed that before! Your right, if the lower 3 points on his chest are also on the top, but obscured by his scarf, he’s got a stylized Khanri’ah star!
@@canadalovesanime3137 the chest, details on her dress too. Even if there aren't explicitly star shapes like on kaeya's outfit, theres lot of star reminiscent stuff on the twins
My two cents for the theory is that the one eyed kind odin and deshret were bestowed knowledge by the same being, thus leading to the similarities between the two. And that forbidden knowledge is what led to Khaenriah being annhilated as they didn't have a god like Rukhadevata to seal it. I don't think Deshret is the Sinner as it grounds to much of the game's story to sumeru and we still have half the game to go and hyv is more likely to spin a thread that connects all nations, instead of grounding it a lot more to sumeru.
@@supayambaek i mean... it already is? (Their archon is the avatar of their world tree, after all) I just don't feel like it would be AS big as this theory presents it in the grand scheme of things. It's a big piece of the puzzle, sure, but I don't think it will be like... 60% of the puzzle levels of big.
This is also what I am thinking. Also, that calm "soothing" voice is also hinted to be in Dragonspine from when the corrupted drag on was killed. It's mentioned somewhere in gsme but I forget where. Yes you could argue that since Gold is from Sumeru the sinner's power is just spreading, but like you said it seems weird that everything is linked in Sumeru. This might be the only Ashikai theory that I've ever disagreed with. There's many othet things that I think don't make sense with this theory but I'm literally at work right now and it's impossible to fully be able to explain my stance atm. EDIT: NEVER MIND. I'm at work watching this video so ofc I wasnt able to properly focus on what Asikai was saying. After rewatching her video properly I agree with her. Excellent work as always.
Interesting side note here. Unless I'm missing something, Deshret wasn't originally that powerful, his power came from his machines. So what changed?? Well, we know that Deshret died, and the theory states that he became crystal God after that. Now, in Jeht's first world quest, we saw Jeht's father "die" as his soul is ripped out of his body, but merge with a massive destructive all-encompassing force. And this happens in DESHRET'S THRONE ROOM. So what if, Deshret didn't die to stop the Abyss from spreading, he died to merge with the Abyss and get as powerful as he is now!!? Renewed by Death, as in, the Ancient Egyptian ceremony of Mouth Opening or something, done by Anubis. Anubis, who was what the priests of Deshret represented.
@@Zarozian I mean in essence... even if he himself denies it, he is basically a god now, with altars, reverents and a cult doing his bidding. Led by a "high priest(ess)" who is one of the very few people who can listen to his voice.
@@Zarozian Yeah he never did as far as we know. But you know how the desert people are worshipping Deshret, right? I think they believed that Deshret ascended to godhood at some point, which led to popular belief that Deshret is a god.
@@Zarozian Despite that we now know he has a goetian name in the same way pretty much all the other lesser gods of Teyvat. He could be like Venti and Zhongli. A god who doesn't want to rule.
A spooky voice talking to us in a crystal... This kinda reminds me of a in game book I stumbled upon lately called "The Lay of Al-Ahmar". "They say Al-Ahmar separated his mind from his flesh and bone, placing it within the corridors, stairways, doorways, and beams that crawled eternally into the depths. ... and that his soul merged into one with the wailing souls of the millions in his kingdom, doomed to wander, lost amidst the howling end, traveling along the dark and winding corridors, growing ever closer to the bottomless abyss..."
I think that book only appears after you finish the first part of Jhets quest as far as I know. That name is also another one of Deshret's. I haven't really seen anyone talk about that book bar yourself.
Press read more I dare yall Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Happy that Ashikai and I had the same observation. When I first encountered the "Sinner" in Chasm, the first thought that came to mind was Deshret. It amazed me so much coz I immediately thought of Liloupar's descriptions of Deshret. And because I rewatch Rhukkadevata's cutscenes so many times, the 3.1 quests, and especially the conversation she had with Nahida. I immediately thought the crystal reminded me of something so similar. And I was already dubious of Deshret's power and identity.
its been this long and i only finally made the connection that the Seelie marrying the traveler and both getting a memory wipe could be a reference to Brynhidlr, the Valkirie falling in love with Sigurd and both of them getting memory wiped
That makes so much sense! Brynhidlr the Valkyrie of Myth was likely based on two Merovingian queens Brunhilda and Fredegund. Fredegund's son was Chlothar II and her grandson then was Charibert (Caribert)!
I think there are two evidences(?) that could add weight on this theory: 1. From Dehya's new 5-star claymore "Beacon of the Reed Sea", there is one line: "Like the eye that shone with a golden light and the noble heart, King Deshret was once the destination of all paths..." There are two points worth noticing: 1) the eye. Single, not, the eyes. In Chinese, it is more obvious: 「如灿金的独目，高贵的心，赤王曾是一切道路的终点…」"独目" = single-eyed is used to describe King Deshret. Therefore, we could probably concluded that King Deshret had only one eye, or only presented one eye to other people. The single-eyed fact strengthens King Deshret's relationship to Khaenri'ah as a whole and his relationship to Irmin. 2. From the same line, we know that King Deshret has a golden eye. It might not be obvious in English as it said "Like the eye that shone with a golden light ", in Chinese it is "如灿金的独目", literally meaning "like a single eye of brilliant gold". Coincidentally, the Traveller twins have golden eyes, which means King Deshret and the twins share the same eye color. Also, I think new weapon story of "Beacon of the Reed Sea" is quite interesting. Hope to see your intepretation on it!
Few problems with this theory: 1. The stars are not the same the khaenri'ah star is 8 pointed and deshret is 10 pointed 2. Though Deshret does not like to be called a god he still is (3 gods that ruled sumeru ect.) 3. The timeline of events 4. The area of deshrets grave (wierd lake not the chasm) 5. The sigils for the puzzle as well as the statues were made during the time of primordial one
Minor corrections it is called as 3 God-Kingof Sumeru. Other than that I wholeheartedly agree with you. This theory is a bit off because of the reason you specify. Putting that asides . I also would like to add because King Irmin and King Dehsret share a similarity doesn't mean they are the same person. I feel more like they are separate people who shared the same ideology. Mainly because I feels like what Hoyoverse trying to achieve here is they try to show us 'example' of past sinners who tried to topple and over throne their authority. People like King Dehsret and King Irmin is the rebels who tried to topples them but failed. Not to forget the original kingdom in Dragonspine also got wiped out by Celestia for almost getting the same level of power as Celetia thou they never rebels against them. All this kingdom being destroyed just like trying to leave lesson to the rest of the people on Teyvat 'Do not challenge me or try to come close to my power'
I'm pretty sure if the sinner can defy time and space then he could teleport from sumeru desert to the chasm. And I'm pretty sure we already "met" him in liyue back in the "we will be reunited" quest. Deshret was sealed way before the cataclysm so I don't see the problem with the timeline. Ashikai did say that enkanomiya, khanreh'a and desert architecture looked alike so that could link those areas together (kinda). And deshret was a god but he rebelled against celestial (therefore explaining the title of sinner) just like Lucifer was an angle but then became a fallenangle
Also Deshret was friends with two other gods. Khaenrianhs DESPISE the gods. I seriously doubt King Irmin could remain friends with the gods without sparking some kind of revolution within the kingdom. Deshret CANNOT be king irmin.
I absolutly agree with you. And Al-Ahmar is friend with Nabu Malikata and Rhukadevatta, he was in love with Nabu (Bilqis), Ybis King, crocodile King etc... why would he destroy and or kill his "familly" ????
I really wish we get a hint of Celestia's side of the story in Fontaine, because we just see things from the fatui side and from khaenri'ah/abyss side, yet Celestia is out of the picture, Hope that in the end we get to choose to side between the fatui, the abyss, and Celestia with a fourth option of not siding with anyone
@@Sacration deshret destroyed his own civilization, if he and the goddess of flowers saw that humans don't need gods then they could've just let their people rule themselves, like liyue and mondstadt, they're a good example of how to make a place for humans to rule themselves without having to challenge trying to overthrow the heavens, Also the dumb ass coused all of the sand storms, alazar, weathering zones, and almost killed all of sumeru, just because he didn't want gods to rule over humans, while literally killing thousands if not millions of his own people in the process, and the godess of flowers deserved to be cast out of heaven with how stupid she is, she could have told him "your idea if fucking stupid and is ganna kill us all" no although she herself Warned him about the dangers if what he's doing, SHE still HELPED HIM IN HIS STUPID PLANS ANYWAY!, dooming the paradise they built together with rukka and speaking of rukka, she proved to be a true god of wisdom by recognizing that her friends are stupid and she pulled a "fuck this shit i'm out" and when to create the rain forast, yet she still came back to the rescue when the wet shit hit the fan and stopped the destruction of sumeru and possiblly the world, and khaenri'ah are the same thing they started the cataclysm, almost killing EVERYONE and if it wasn't for Celestia stepping in when the archons failed we wouldn't probably have a teyvat to begin with, yet they have the audacity to be mad at the gods for punishing them for the shit they coused, And i know dain claims that khaenri'ah controlled the problem before Celestia nuked the place but i feel like he's in denial just because his inner reddit atheist doesn't wanna admit the gods were right,
I think when Nahida threatened to destroy the gnosis in front of the Doctor that that was a foreshadowing. Something important to Celestia will be destroyed/ disturbed. And then we can see if they presumably will react (or not). This is like seeing a gun as a decoration in a movie. The gun will most likely be used later on.
@@silentwitch8950 I imagined that in the Fontaine archon quest the hydro gnosis will be destroyed and it would actually awake the heavenly principals, and they might not be happy about the gnosis being destroyed,
About Liloupar recognizing the Traveller as a "shadow of their master", I think that maybe she meant the Goddess of Flowers, not Deshret. It was SHE who taught King Deshret about the Abyss when he asked for a way to defy Fate. And isn't this precisely what happened with Khaenriah and the Sibling? A king wanted a way to defy Fate, then a traveller from "beyond" answers them, and their kingdom fall to ruins? Yes, I just suggested that the Goddess of Flowers is a descender herself, hence why the Traveller reminded Liloupar of her.
i literally skip through the voice lines on every quest because i know i won't pick up on any important lore points (except obvious ones) and just wait for the theorists to do their magic and watch their videos 💀
@@Infelious that i can't make connections easily? i listen to all voice lines in archon quests and any additional quests im interested in. i kind of rushed my comment earlier. basically i just meant i don't bother theorizing as i'm playing because i'm not as good going in depth as these theorists do. i just put quests on auto play and only pause if theres a big lore drop in the text!
Another point I forgot, "samiel" is actually a kind of strong, dusty wind found in Arabian deserts (also called simoom). I think the wall of Samiel is a reference to that type of wind, not a person/figure, as the purpose of the wall is to block sandstorm.
Perfectly timed release. Gonna enjoy the juicy Genshin lore from Ashikai with my dinner. Bless and thank you for your hard works!! Please get your deserved rest when you finished the contents you wanted 🙏
I want to see that sitcom "King Deshret and the Ibis King were roommates" 😆People were saying that the dynamic between Alhaitham and Kaveh makes them Sumeru's Diluc and Kaeya, which hits different now! A thought- if the twins are heirs to the Abyss, then why would the Heavenly Principles stop them from leaving Teyvat again, citing that the "arrogation of mankind stops now"? Implying that mankind would continue to be "stolen" UNLESS they stay. Which seems to put her in opposition to Celestia and not aligned with it like I've been assuming. In the original Chinese her name can also translate to destiny or fate- which removes her somewhat from "heavenly" and thus also from Celestia. Making her more of a neutral party or, from the Abyss somehow?? Thank you for the reddit links!!
4:44 There's definitely no link in names between Irminsul and king Irmin in chinese original. They're completely different words. Also, what connects enemies marked by Nahida's skill are definitely not chains, they're vines. They're not made of links. That ornament on her chest is the only thing that may resemble a chain on her clothing but that's where any similarity ends.
It makes sense that this quest would be sandwiched right between the Liloupar world quest and the final desert area if the sinner ends up being Deshret. Seems like a pretty opportune place to introduce such a character now that we know so much about Deshret. I really like this theory. Personally I’ve been mulling over the twins being Shades ever since I read Before Sun and Moon. I feel like their interchangeable nature makes them more like two aspects of one being rather than two separate people, and with the whole Caribert quest being about how the twins literally think and react exactly alike, well… I don’t know if they’re necessarily Shades of the Primordial One, but maybe one twin is a Shade of the other? Or they’re just one being split into two aspects? It might explain why one appears in Irminsul’s records and the other doesn’t. And if they’ve “always been together” why couldn’t that mean physically as well? I think it’s interesting that they’re the only set of twins we’ve encountered in the game so far, and I wonder if Lyney and Lynette are going to be important in that regard lore-wise.
I don’t think Deshret necessarily ever actually ruled over Khaenri’ah, but maybe they saw themselves as continuing Deshret’s legacy. I remember it wasn’t uncommon for ancient rulers to claim they were descendants of biblical figures in order to give themselves more legitimacy, so maybe the kings of Khaenri’ah said they were (or actually were) Deshret’s heirs. So Khaenri’ah wouldn’t technically be the twins’ homeland, but it would be a spiritual continuation of it. That would make sense with how only one of the twins identifies with Khaenri’ah. Deshret could have been from the twins’ actual home and escaped its destruction just like them, then done all his Sumeru shenanigans. I feel like if the twins were from any of the civilizations we’ve directly encountered, the traveler would have commented or thought something along the lines of “holy shit this looks an awful lot like my house”. But if there were an unbroken line between their original culture and Khaenri’ah, that could be enough to convince the Abyss sibling to call it home. But without all that information, the traveler wouldn’t recognize anything about Khaenri’ah as their own culture.
I think the sinner might be "the second who descended" . It is said that the second waged a war against the primordial one and the primordial one caged the second after the war ended. Abyss might be the power of the second and abyssal monsters are his creations. In the paradise artifact set , the goddess of wisdom warns king Desreth to not seek the truth of the master of shades or the primordial one (mans insane , he rains celestial nails and destroys civilizations) and hence Desreth might have seeked the abyss' master for the knowledge of the world due to which the "forbidden knowledge" has cursed the Irminsul.
@@AndrewsMobshe loves his creation but he also warns them not falling in wrong thing. It just likes the story the Adam and Eva . God is good , love his creation but he is also punished the people if they are against his will
same, when Liloupar mentions we resemble her old master i thought it was very suspicious but i quickly brushed it away with the idea that most of the characters we meet do like the traveler at first glance ... i thought it was just mc tropes lol
Building on your Irmin section, I had a few thoughts with a pal: Let's rewind to Kaeya's surname, Alberich. We know that this royal line created the Abyss Order. We don't know too much about what Irmin did or whatnot, but we know his name is Irmin. He's a king of K-Town, and we also know he only has one eye. Irmin is actually another name for "Odin," which coincidentally, has a very specific story. In order to gain the power to control fate, Odin hung himself from the world tree and lost an eye. If we fast forward and take a look at the quest item we got from the Sumeru archon quest, as you pointed out in the video, the branch reads: "Trees also symbolize widsom. In one of the legends, a sage hanging upside down on a tree had acquired the knowledge of how to inscribe runes and control sacred words, and thus followedt he kingdom established along the tree's roots, eventually gaining a glimpse into the secret of the cosmos." You see how the description matches the story of Odin? From this, we can hypothesize that the sage was King Irmin who gained cosmic knowledge from the irminsul and taught it to K-Town. Revisiting "Irmin = Odin" (who has one eye, and was the king of K-Town), we also know that there were royal knights serving him. If we go into the chasm, coincidentally, we find that the royal knights of K-Town are an enemy type, and drop a very particular item that was featured in the video, the Statuettes, which are literally Irmin's face, the king with one eye. The description of these items are also very interesting. Let's focus on the rarest drop: "A one-eyed carving that emanates an ominous energy, with no indication of what it's made of. As you gaze upon this idol, you can almost hear a strange, conforting whisper... 'See my child. All that lies under the throne of heaven shall be destroyed by upheavel. The eternal peace of the pitch-dark void shall embrace us all.'" *A STRANGE AND COMFORTING WHISPER* Where have we heard this before? From the Sinner. The Sinner, IMO, is King Irmin. King of Khaenri'ah who gained immense knowledge from irminsul. All Khaenri'ah citizens bow and feel comfortable when his presence is around. *Even Dainsleif is affected.* And why? Because he's a pure-blood Khaenri'an. Hence, that's why I believe the voice from the crystal, is Irmin. Irmin, the Sinner. However, I DID miss the detail of King Deshret and the crystal. So this could be quite the interesting development!
They absolutely did. Travail made that pretty clear, but even things like 1.0's Lisa quest have been shown to have deep significance. Also, one of the fictional book series in the game was accidentally left in the game and was datamined, despite only the first volume being available in-game. I refuse to read it, but they've absolutely written at least rough draft/bullet points of the world's history.
Sumeru lore is literally deepfrying my brain but whenever we get more of it I just can't wait to get my hands on it. And also I want to thank you for all your work
I have some other thoughts about the voice in the Traveler's head. The voice says, "dear creature, why do you bow down," and mentions "a power that you covet" and tells them to "transcend." I think this was directly to the Traveler (or the Traveler's sibling as they were in their place) and shows just how different our Traveler's actions are from their sibling. They probably bowed down to the sinner like Chlothar did and was a little more receptive to the power. This is opposed to our Traveler, who knows that the Abyss is evil and dangerous and doesn't even dare to bow down to it, let alone side with it. As for your Deshret theory, I didn't think about how much it actually made sense until you said it. I have my own thoughts about how that could've gone about, but that would make this comment longer than it is. I'll probably write a HoyoLab post on this later and just edit a link in once I've written it because I have SO many thoughts about that.
love the video! all of it does seem to make sense, the only thing that bothers me is why the twins don't have eyes similar to Dain? I feel like they've been so consistent with that design element in so many other instances, it just feels weird that the twins don't have this trait...
Yeah, if they truly are Khaenri'an... why not have them have THE thing we know Khaenri'ans for? They could just made it very faint, like Kaeya's if they didn't want it to be too obvious, But no, they have pretty regular eyes.
im pretty sure that ashikai makes the point in one of her prev videos that the twins are fully summoned beyond teyvat and they just answered the call of khaenria so they could be royalty but not necessarily by blood? especially if they are directly related to the primordial one which would make the family tree even more insane
@@elan5614 I think she said Traveler Siblings are Khaenri’ahns, and have the same royal bloodline as King Irmin, but they were the type of royals who traveled across the universe, when the cataclysm happened, they were summoned back. Btw, I think between King Irmin and The Twins, the twins should be older because from what I remember they witnessed the birth of stars or something. So maybe The Twin siblings have another relative (p.s idk why Primordial Humans Project pops up in my mind rn) that married someone with star-shaped pupils (idk why I imagine it was the Seelie that fell in love with a human, lol) and that’s where King Irmin's direct ancestor came from, that’s why King Irmin (that Ashi theorized is also King Deshret) got the twin's looks but has different star-shaped pupils that are later inherited by all pure-blood Khaenriahns in the future. But if King Irmin = Deshret, shouldn’t there be more star -shape -pupils-human in Sumeru? IDK, my brain is exploding rn and my limited English is not helping. 😂
Deshy's eye was multicolored. Also, if he's a relative, that would make him a descender- Dain, Kaeya, and any other primogem-eyed Teyvatians are NOT descenders, so why would they have the same strange amber eyes?
....huh... with what we know now after Fontaine, perhaps this means Deshret was the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the gnoses... ESPECIALLY since it's said he mastered all of the elements. And they explicitly bring up the Third Descender being dead (and the fact that their remains were used in the gnoses) as a *big deal* in the Fontaine quests.. which isnt too long after questing our way through all of Deshret's related quests in Sumeru. Narratively, it makes sense they're connected. This ALSO all happened within the same time that we had our "flashback" to our abyss sibling discovering some chained purple crystal capable of undoing a hilichurl's curse as part of the founding of the Abyss Order... If the Sinner is Deshret and the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the gnoses, it makes sense that the only power the Sinner currently has is the "forbidden knowledge" or power of darkness (as Apep referred to it) because then Deshret's mastery of the 7 normal elements of Teyvat were all removed from him in order to create the 7 gnoses, which are each directly tied to one specific element. And if THAT all adds up, then that's why Khaen'riah and the Abyss Order rely on the power of darkness so much - because that's the only "mastery" he has left after the other 7 masteries were all taken from him. I'm currently hoping Natlan reveals some deep lore to us about the identity of the Second Descender, because I feel like THAT is the only real puzzle piece missing in order to figure out the full timeline of Teyvat's past... and where the future of the game will go as we head to Snezhnaya and beyond.
Irmin was the last king of Khaenriah, which collapsed 500 years ago. But King Deshret lived at least 2000 years ago before the Archon war broke out. How could they be the same person?
A thought i've had when talking about the irminsul drawing from the abyss makes me think of the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta in honkai. Where the abyss is a mass of random information and what not and that Irminsul takes in this information and filters it and distributes it throughout the leylines and the reason forbidden knowledge is harmful is because it's unfiltered information from the abyss. The reason it drives people mad and corrupts them and the land on a physical level because that information would then be directly injected into Irminsul without being properly filtered.
You know, what is really strange? This crystal was in Enkanomiya ruins, not Chasm. At least, i have that feeling because of music (which was clearly Enkanomiyan all the way), trees, light and vibes, Enkanomiya is more bluish colors, and Chasm uses more yellow. Don't know if there are differences in architecture, but if there are, maybe it is different as well?
I’m just thinking… we are only in Sumeru, and the plot is getting all of this reveals and intricacies. WHAT ON EARTH AWAITS US IN THE 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0 VERSIONS. I’M EXCITED AND SCARED AT EQUAL PART
Something that's been bugging me is the story never really explained HOW Rukkhadevata eradicated Forbidden Knowledge from Teyvat both times. The only mentions we get are from Rukkhadevata that 1) her experience from when Deshret unleashed the Forbidden Knowledge helped, and 2) she used the collection of dreams to do it. Like how's that supposed to work? I've been mostly assuming that it's just a fantasy mechanism that's too convoluted to try to really imagine and explain without boring us so they just wrote it off, but was there actually more to learn about it? For example, maybe she used dreams as some sort of a channel to send all Forbidden Knowledge to Deshret who's already bathing in it? Food for thought on the matter: the cause of the Traveler experiencing the Abyss Twin's memory about meeting who might be Deshret is a ley line disorder, but how they experienced it is through having a dream.
Chasm only becomes the place for Hilichurls to return to die at AFTER some recent event there - presumably the Abyss Order messing with the fountain. Why do you think the Traveler is also a prince of Khaenri'ah? Liloupar's comments probably refer to her real mistress the Goddess of Flowers, not Deshret. Deshret is dead and as she keeps saying, the true name servitude lasts only until death. In any case if either were considered heirs to Khaenri'ahs throne per se, then Chlothar's regency would be a regency waiting upon one of the Twins to take up the throne. Yet even the Sibling is still only called Prince.
So in regards to the Artifact = Primordial one + 4 shades theory, what if Deshret is the goblet and since a shade of the primordial one. That way he would also be a descender and the goblet imagery fits with his grail themes. Furthermore there is this diamond portrayed on the goblet possibly also referring to him
I had so many thoughts during this, yet the first one I put into words was: Oh so that's why Kaveh is out there expecting Alhaitham to treat him like royalty in his own house
When the crystal drops back into the water 5:50, you can see it makes a Sun shape that is eclipsed just like the Spiral Abyss Moon Spire. Also to make the bright color in the middle for the eclipsed Sun, it's made up of 2 other circles with one being golden and the other a deepen blue. It isn't to farfetched to call it a Sun and Moon.
Paradisaea is actually a reference to the garden of Flowers (from "Orchard of Pairidaeza") which is a motif commonly used for Nabu or the goddess of flowers
It’s fascinating to see king Deshret’s character match with king Solomon but also with Egyptian god Ra. While he also resembles of Gilgamesh. Especially his obsession for immortality.
This Deshret guy's name keeps on coming up from various places but with different monickers. I'm so desperate to know more about him and who the guy really is. I firmly believe that we still have one more archon quest chapter for Sumeru and that's the Travail Trailer chapter. The Truth Among the Pages of Purana.
Little correction, Charlemagne, Chlothar I and Charibert I were not French kings as you claimed in two videos now. France didn't exist at that point in time and the Franks(≠French) where a Germanic tribe and kingdom. After Charlemagne's death his son ruled the Frankish Kingdom(≠France) and after his death the kingdom was split into three parts. Two of the three parts (West Francia) would later in history become what today is France and the third part (East Francia) would later become what today is Germany.
Right, I will post here my theories on Khaenri'ah that popped up from this quest. One (minor) correction: Charlemagne and his forefathers were *Franks* not *French,* the French identity would only start from Hugh Capet in 987 when West-Francia from the Carolingians was succeeded by the Kingdom of France under the Capetians. Although, just as you said with the Knights Templar, Hoyo will have probably mucked them up together because 'semantics'. ANYWAY, Stay with me, because IRL Frankish (and Dutch) history ties in creepily well with Khaenri'ah. IRL, Chlothar's father, Clovis, was the first King of the Franks that united all seperate Frankish groups under one banner, and the first CATHOLIC/Christian Frankish ruler to boot. Even though the Roman Empire before had considered Christianity as its state religion, at the fringes of the empire (aka the Low Countries (Belgium+Netherlands) where the Franks had their main power base) this wasn't really an enforced thing so a lot of Germanic people were still worshippers of the old Germanic/Norse pantheon *cough Odin cough.* After roughly 300 years of dynastic inheritance shenanigans, Charlemagne became Emperor of the 'Holy Roman Empire', crowned by the Pope. This was the first time after the Fall of the (Western) Roman Empire that a major 'centralised' empire had arisen, and in contrast to the old polytheistic empire, this one was Christian aka they *did away of the old gods of both Germanic and Roman mythology,* similar to how Khaenri'ah did away with the Seven and Celestia and with their own King as leader (which could possibly be tied to a Biblical figure now?) After Charlemagne's death, the Empire was split in three (West-, Middle- and East-Francia) but Middle was quickly broken up and absorbed by the other two. These two states would eventually form *France* and *Germany* (and eventually spit out the before-mentioned Low Countries again but we'll get there). Now, after Khaenri'ah's fall, the direct survivors were split into two groups: the pure-blooded ones, becoming cursed with immortality, and the non-pure-blooded ones, getting cursed to become Hilichurls. OR perhaps also a THIRD group, which became the Abyssal Creatures before the Order was established which could correlate with Middle Francia where they were eventually kinda put together with one of the other two groups. Now, as history would go on, both France and the Holy Roman Empire/Germany had a BIG role in the development of Alchemy in the late Middle Ages, with two major figures being Nicholas Flamel (France) and Heinrich Agrippa (Germany). Khaenri'ah's main source of power and progress was... alchemy. even later in history, during the Enlightenment and Second Industrial Revolution, both France and Germany would *again* play a massive role in the development of chemistry, which is basically a better and improved continuation of alchemy. On the religious side, the Dutch Republic became a place where a lot of people from all across Europe would come together to publish their (to the Catholic Church) sinful thoughts about the Church and religion as a whole, just like Khaenri'ah became a place where people from all over Teyvat that did not worship the Seven and Celestia would unite. Now about Alberich. in the 11th century, one Alberic of Citeaux was one of the founders of the Cistercian order, which was based on the rules of Saint Benedict, and the thoughts of one Bernard of *Fontaine.* After roughly 100 years, this Cistercian order started to expand from France to the Low Countries (Belgium and Netherlands, here we are again!), where they started land reclamation projects to establish more fertile land to build and practice agriculture on, in the areas that in the past couple of centuries had been flooded and destroyed due to climate change and war. Khaenri'ah/Abyss Order under the regent Alberich clan wants to go back to their homeland. Kaeya Alberich is Khaenri'ah's 'last hope'. The Abyss Order wants to *rebuild their homeland*, just like how the land in the Low Countries, *the former homeland of the Franks,* was reconquered and rebuilt. The similarities are REALLY creepy.
I love ashikais content, you're my favourite lore content creator because you always make it so interesting and you present important evidence that are easy to follow.
Personally I think forbidden knowledge is like "meta" knowledge (like an NPC knowing they're in a game; that kind of meta) or cosmic knowledge that is so mind-breaking and so fundamentally incompatible with (Teyvatian) human thought that the Ley Lines reflect that widespread mental distress and "horrible knowledge" in the form of the dark muck, and viceversa: People who have had contact with forbidden knowledge, have had their memories permanently engraved into the Ley Lines, making the knowledge, the muck and the pain persist after death. If Karmic debt and Tatarigami are a Ley Line disorder caused by the negative emotions of fell gods, then abyssal muck is a Ley Line disorder caused by severe and chronic existential dread.
Forbidden Knowledge behaves a lot like eldritch knowledge. Things that are completely incomprehensible. Given that Irminsul has parallels to computer data and storage, I would argue that in that context, it's like data encoded in a format different than what the current operating system can read, so when a mind tries to read it, it comes back as incomprehensible garbage, creating metaphorical brain damage. It's "knowledge" because it is comprehensible to being who are able to decode it, but it is nothing but destructive to those who are not.
I love your videos they are sooooo mind blowing. Therer are so much information about Genshin Lore and myths and storys of the real world. Please keep making these videos because the are soo cool
The sheer quantity of dots to connect even in such short quest is crazy, so much info, always good to listen to you unravel it a bit so I know a tad more about what is going on
Honestly, I'm here for Dottore burning Irminsul down. This tree just seems to cause more problems than it's worth. I wonder if the Fatui would be able to create their own knowledge tree and perfect it without having to worry about the issue of a erasing history from peoples minds and stuff.
I saw many theories and recaps from other channels but your explanation is the best out of everyone I know, I completely understood what you were talking about and listened from start to end, very good storytelling! I can't wait for the next video too😁
What a great Vid and compilation. I will need to re-watch this a couple times just to process all the information in it and see how it relates to my own theories. For me I didn't even consider the whole "Sinner" = a piece of Deshrit until I was watching Islands brain storming who the sinner was. And now I am suspecting that the thing Gold might have found with Albedo (Heart of Naberius) might effectively be a mini-cystral of what we saw during this quest. What this can lead to; well, I don't quite know yet. To think you and IslandXD are theorizing in the same direction, falls into the realm of two great minds thinking alike ! Keep up the great theory crafting, its great to consume !
Is it just me or are all beings associated with wind/anemo kinda against celestia? like deshret is "son of the sky" is theorized to control anemo and he is against the devine. We don't know much about decarabian but he did create a wall of wind so no one could pass and well does that include celestia? Boreas was next in like for being the Anemo archon but refused immediately like deshret and it can't be that he is just disappointed in humanity considering he is also known to take in children if they get lost like razor. Venti every time he talks about celestia it's negative either nervous (manga) or in his voicelines being like "i wouldn't go there even if i was invited".
I think that the Twins didn’t show up in Teyvat during the Cataclysm but way, way back when the war of the second throne was happening. I think they were summoned back to Teyvat and immediately sealed away by the Unknown God. Later Khanriah figured out how to unseal one of the twins. So I don’t think the twins are the descendants of Desheret, but actually older than him, his ancestors, or the same people from beyond the stars, like maybe the Primodial One. Then 500 years later, someone unsealed the sibling.
Ooh, fascinating! I'm of the opinion that Paimon is the one who unsealed the Traveler, though I only believe that to be true because I like to believe that Paimon is a former Heavenly Principle or that she's somehow related to Celestia and just exhausted her power in the same way Rukkadevata did. The lore behind her name is fascinating and really reveals a lot about where Hoyoverse might be going with Paimon as a character.
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I really liked this one! Gave some real food for thought. The only thing that doesn´t sit right with me (with the info we have) are the siblings being originaly from Tevat. But I can imagine Deshret maybe being from their original homeland and becoming one of the descenders. A distant relative but more likely justa kin that once lived where they did as well. Maybe he tried to bring the old glory to Tevat as well and that´s why the abyss sibling sees it as their duty to protect the "resurection of homeland"
i'm ready for the weekly brainfrying! on a sidenote, while i think the evidence for king deshret literally being king irmin is strong, i' not fully convinced, just because of the fact that we still have at least 2 more nations until snezhnaya and we really don't know anything about natlan, so unless the entire history of teyvat is revealed somewhere along fontaine and then the rest of story focuses on the fatui, i feel like we still have more to learn, especially since it's now been basically confirmed that one of the heksenzirkel's member was not only able to directly communicate with the traveler through telepathy like nahida, but also is fully aware of the changes made to the irminsul and apparently that these aren't actually changes in reality but more so memory wipes.
This was super interesting! I'm pretty near-convinced now that the Sinner is Irmin, and likely also Deshret. Just makes too much sense with everything we know. Though this game likes to throw curveballs, so I guess we'll see.
In regards to the twig using "sage" instead of "king": There are examples in our world of those words being used interchangeably. One of the most famous examples are Caspar, Melchior and Balthazar who are interchangeably called either kings, magi, or wise men. And what is a sage if not a wise man?
Kaveh being a 4* like kaeya is more interesting to me bf if he is essentially a type of reincarnation of the scarlet king, then this is the second 4* that is heavily tied to the past and overall story of tevat. However i think unlike kaeya, he will be very indirect.
Me and my brother have had this theory for a while now, that the twins are originally from Teyvat but from a different time period (all the wibbley wobbly timey liney stuff aside and before the 7 dragon lords ruled it)before they left to travel. Since time works differently in space by the time they came back to their home world it had changed drastically to one they didn't recognise and thought of it as a different planet. Since there had be in essence two massive changes.
Loved the video! Really reminded me of ur world structure series with such in-depth concepts into a very bizarre but highly intriguing plot. Now if the twins r relatives to deshrat and r from teyvat (or they could be descenders), i wonder how the world mentioned in the descension weapon and glider ended and whether it will have more relevence in the future. Im so curious to learn abt genshins lore outside of teyvat and stuff its all just SO SO FUN !
Eh, a good storyteller is doing something wrong if their audience can't follow the trail they are laying down. Those people who like to put in a sUrPrISe TwIst!!11! nobody can see coming are just doing it wrong, imho.
Candace is a descendant of King Deshret and her amber eye is the same color as the travelers so yes I think the twins and Deshret are related which means we are related to candace
What if king of desert was Aether and the current abyss princes Lumine is us before Aether reborn and came back. When we reach the end Lumine will "die" and reborn as star and land to monstad's beach. So this would be our 3rd playthrough. Every single time we end up "dead" but we change history everytime. Like hangout quests but with history of Tayvat.
im a little skeptical of desheret being irmin because that means irmin liked the goddess of flowers. i kinda want to know how the timeline flows together.
Eait whats confusing about the timeline? The thing that doesnt add up is if Rukka sealed him then how did be king of Khanreiah? Otherwise the rest makes sense.
When you mentioned that the Goddess of flower is the union of a selie and human the Nephilim's suddenly pops out of my head. They are born by the union of human and angels some stories of Nephilim states that they are not allowed to be born in this world because they have power that can cause imbalance that would bring chaos and disaster to the world. That is why it is forbiden for an angel and human to have a child.
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**NOTES AND IMPORTANT INFO**
I'm so sorry you guys, something went wrong with the TH-cam upload and there's about a minute of black screen towards the end. Unfortunately I was too late to catch this before most people watched it and I don't want to lose their comments. The only "fix" I can do is cut the section out because that's the only post-release editing TH-cam allows, so I have done that. Apologies to channel members since it's their names that have been cut.
If you want to know what the little "theory" was, I have included the text from my script here for you to read:
"The Goddess of Flowers - who kinda served as a catalyst for this whole thing - is also a reference to the Queen of Sheba; that much we already covered. But did you know the Queen of Sheba was rumored to be the daughter of a Jinn and a Human?
If the same semi-human status holds true for the Goddess of Flowers, then there’s a very good chance that she was a child that resulted from the union of the Seelie and the Traveler from Afar. If you didn’t know, the Seelie and the Traveler married in the Lunar Palace under the blessing of the Moon Sisters and this union is often cited as the reason why the moons fought each other and died. The Seelie and her Lover were separated and each experienced a memory wipe.
Given that Seelies aren’t permitted to fall in love, you have to wonder if this was the reason behind it - or if the offspring of the two races mixed together created something unwanted by god:
The Nephilim."
I thought my monitor went busted.
No worries. This was a banger. With all this new context, Dain seems like the true protagonist of the story to me.
isnt it still there tho?
You're good, Ashikai
@@RafidW9 maybe I'm biased... but absolutely.
He's very interesting, with us barely knowing anything about him, and the little we know raises more questions.
The amount of occult lore hidden in genshin its outstanding honestly, the creators must love their weird ancient books
No Fr tho the only other video games I know with a Lore this deep is The Witcher and League of Legend
@@Sacration id include the xeno series aswell since there's a ton of gnostic themes, alchemical themes and a shit ton of abrahamic references aswell
@@_marienkind OH really? Thats cool im not familliar with the series so yeah
@@Sacration lol lore is on another level then genshin..
@@Sacration Souls series
When 2 biggest theorists think alike, I am under the assumption that we mad lore enthusiasts are going in the right way.
Who’s the other? I’d love to watch their videos too
@@nanas1515 it's islandXD
@@afzaalaftalubis6071 Thanks a lot! Off to check their video 🤩
At this point I'm pretty sure Hoyo is watching these videos too like "dang I didn't think of that! Write it down, write it down!" 🤣
@@gettothelantern7852 ive been thinking about this since watcing asikai for the first time lmaooo.. ashikai is probably doing their work for free
Never in my life I ever could imagine that Solomon and Odin would cross path... the plot thickens!
Bro check out fgo
The plot thickens alright!! We are in for a hella good ride
And king Arthur
And potentially jesus 😭
@@ongseungwu4311 king arthur is outside of mod trying to pull his sword
‘Khaenri'ah, huh? You sure know a lot! The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone. The sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning.’
It’s crazy that Kaeya has had this voiceline since the beginning of the game and we all believed his term ‘sinner’ indicated his internal daddy issues which became synonymous with his homeland.
But based on this voiceline alone I feel like Kaeya probably knows who the ‘sinner’ is.
Don't think he does I think he was referring to khaenriah's people since keaya said he wasn't really living in khaenriah he spent most his life in monstadt
@@uch1hasxrasa" Keaya speaks only half of truth at best"
I feel like Kaeya actually knows way more, and his "half truths" are really true. He uses his reputation as someone dishonest to get away with revealing truths with no consequences. If he is not always honest; then what he says doesn't have any meaning or value. Celestia doesn't have to worry about the things he reveals, since no one believes him anyway. Just my thoughts on it, sorry if it doesn't really fit.
Or he doesn't reveal all he knows and/or doesn't do what he was sent out to do, because he grew to love Mondstadt and her people.
@@SeiichirouUta I thought this too.
Here's what I've learned: Hoyo is not willing to let Otto die, even in his counterparts.
But… Otto did die?
@@joaosantos-uj9uw doesn't mean he won't be reincarnated/isekai'd as ayato, Artem wing and luocha
And also il D-OTTO-re, Favonius knight church guard Otto and sus drip looking Kaveh
Edit: and also APHO void archive
Edit2: and also deshret
There are two constants of hoyo : Otto must live , Bianka is God
who's otto?
Honkai impact antagonist
It is likely that in the future there will be a war between Celestia and the Abyss, with the "Heavenly Principles" representing Celestia and the "Sinner" representing the Abyss, and Teyvat being used as a Board where these two transcendental forces will use their pawns in battle, getting the People of Teyvat caught in the crossfire
I also think that's how the story of genshin will end
And who knows the people of teyvat might help too(I think they'll probably help the abyss)
@@uch1hasxrasa idk why people would want to help the Abyss when it's responsible for leyline disorders and various types of monsters and diseases. Maybe the Abyss Order will gain more supporters but the Abyss is absolutely not
@@mon_moi I was talking about the abyss order but I had forgotten to put the order there
@@mon_moi The Abyss gives me 600 primo every 15 days. I'd destroy Monstadt in its name
Aether's chest looks like it could conceal a Khaenri'ahn like emblem - where the center crystal emits the element they're resonating with. I think there's a lot of creditability.
That’s actually nuts! I never noticed that before! Your right, if the lower 3 points on his chest are also on the top, but obscured by his scarf, he’s got a stylized Khanri’ah star!
I can’t believe it’s right there hidden in plain sight…
Both the twins and khaenri'ah have star motifs so honestly believable, genshin loves to use imagery to tie things and people together
@@tyronetalam8488 Where is it on Lumine?
@@canadalovesanime3137 the chest, details on her dress too. Even if there aren't explicitly star shapes like on kaeya's outfit, theres lot of star reminiscent stuff on the twins
This is the type of story where in a few years we look back and realize how little we actually knew and how different our understanding used to be.
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IM NOT BABE BUT IM AWAKE
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My two cents for the theory is that the one eyed kind odin and deshret were bestowed knowledge by the same being, thus leading to the similarities between the two. And that forbidden knowledge is what led to Khaenriah being annhilated as they didn't have a god like Rukhadevata to seal it. I don't think Deshret is the Sinner as it grounds to much of the game's story to sumeru and we still have half the game to go and hyv is more likely to spin a thread that connects all nations, instead of grounding it a lot more to sumeru.
This one sounds the most reasonable to me
In the real world, Mount Sumeru is supposed to be the center of the world. So you can understand why it's should be a little bit special.
More likely this is the case, and the three gods together represent the factions at play in the overarching plot.
@@supayambaek i mean... it already is? (Their archon is the avatar of their world tree, after all) I just don't feel like it would be AS big as this theory presents it in the grand scheme of things. It's a big piece of the puzzle, sure, but I don't think it will be like... 60% of the puzzle levels of big.
This is also what I am thinking. Also, that calm "soothing" voice is also hinted to be in Dragonspine from when the corrupted drag on was killed. It's mentioned somewhere in gsme but I forget where. Yes you could argue that since Gold is from Sumeru the sinner's power is just spreading, but like you said it seems weird that everything is linked in Sumeru. This might be the only Ashikai theory that I've ever disagreed with. There's many othet things that I think don't make sense with this theory but I'm literally at work right now and it's impossible to fully be able to explain my stance atm.
EDIT: NEVER MIND. I'm at work watching this video so ofc I wasnt able to properly focus on what Asikai was saying. After rewatching her video properly I agree with her. Excellent work as always.
Interesting side note here. Unless I'm missing something, Deshret wasn't originally that powerful, his power came from his machines. So what changed??
Well, we know that Deshret died, and the theory states that he became crystal God after that. Now, in Jeht's first world quest, we saw Jeht's father "die" as his soul is ripped out of his body, but merge with a massive destructive all-encompassing force. And this happens in DESHRET'S THRONE ROOM. So what if, Deshret didn't die to stop the Abyss from spreading, he died to merge with the Abyss and get as powerful as he is now!!? Renewed by Death, as in, the Ancient Egyptian ceremony of Mouth Opening or something, done by Anubis. Anubis, who was what the priests of Deshret represented.
Desheret never referred to himself as a god.
@@Zarozian I mean in essence... even if he himself denies it, he is basically a god now, with altars, reverents and a cult doing his bidding. Led by a "high priest(ess)" who is one of the very few people who can listen to his voice.
@@Zarozian Yeah he never did as far as we know. But you know how the desert people are worshipping Deshret, right? I think they believed that Deshret ascended to godhood at some point, which led to popular belief that Deshret is a god.
@@cotenero He was selected to be the archon of Sumeru, he just rejected that title. He probably was more powerful than Rukka and Nabu Malikata
@@Zarozian Despite that we now know he has a goetian name in the same way pretty much all the other lesser gods of Teyvat. He could be like Venti and Zhongli. A god who doesn't want to rule.
A spooky voice talking to us in a crystal... This kinda reminds me of a in game book I stumbled upon lately called "The Lay of Al-Ahmar".
"They say Al-Ahmar separated his mind from his flesh and bone, placing it within the corridors, stairways, doorways, and beams that crawled eternally into the depths.
... and that his soul merged into one with the wailing souls of the millions in his kingdom, doomed to wander, lost amidst the howling end, traveling along the dark and winding corridors, growing ever closer to the bottomless abyss..."
I think that book only appears after you finish the first part of Jhets quest as far as I know. That name is also another one of Deshret's. I haven't really seen anyone talk about that book bar yourself.
ASHIKAI, GET YOUR DESERVED REST. YOU'RE THE BEST✨
Bro can rhyme better than venti
@@melanie2379 shots fired
Press read more I dare yall
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
"Scarlet king is the god of war and order", a gravestone in Hadramaveth
This remind me of morax
Isn't there a god of war already (murata the pyro archon)
This is that mortal thinks about Deshret
@@uch1hasxrasa Celestia: "hm, there can be the only one!"
Hes also Al -Ahmar the golden god
If Deshrets is related to the traveller then technically Candace is in the travellers family tree
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Oh, then that makes the Intro of her trailer alot more nasty in the way she speaks to us
candace isn’t actually a descendant of deshret, it was mentioned in her story that it was a lie
Well sweet home alabama then.
@@explodingtrashcans really? i've done her story quest and i totally missed this info.. in fact, i totally forgot what her quest is all about😓..
GENSHIN lore 2years ago felt really light hearted and fun, now it's gotten so deep that i honestly can't remember 50% of it. Amazing work ashikai
Happy that Ashikai and I had the same observation. When I first encountered the "Sinner" in Chasm, the first thought that came to mind was Deshret. It amazed me so much coz I immediately thought of Liloupar's descriptions of Deshret. And because I rewatch Rhukkadevata's cutscenes so many times, the 3.1 quests, and especially the conversation she had with Nahida. I immediately thought the crystal reminded me of something so similar. And I was already dubious of Deshret's power and identity.
its been this long and i only finally made the connection that the Seelie marrying the traveler and both getting a memory wipe could be a reference to Brynhidlr, the Valkirie falling in love with Sigurd and both of them getting memory wiped
That makes so much sense! Brynhidlr the Valkyrie of Myth was likely based on two Merovingian queens Brunhilda and Fredegund. Fredegund's son was Chlothar II and her grandson then was Charibert (Caribert)!
That would make Goddess of Flower the equivalent of Aslaug, wouldn't it?
@@supayambaek the Aslaug that is put to sleep for centuries?
Damn, why is all of this so fitting :D
@@straymerodach4713 yeah, the one sleeping in a harp.
I think there are two evidences(?) that could add weight on this theory:
1. From Dehya's new 5-star claymore "Beacon of the Reed Sea", there is one line: "Like the eye that shone with a golden light and the noble heart, King Deshret was once the destination of all paths..." There are two points worth noticing: 1) the eye. Single, not, the eyes. In Chinese, it is more obvious: 「如灿金的独目，高贵的心，赤王曾是一切道路的终点…」"独目" = single-eyed is used to describe King Deshret. Therefore, we could probably concluded that King Deshret had only one eye, or only presented one eye to other people. The single-eyed fact strengthens King Deshret's relationship to Khaenri'ah as a whole and his relationship to Irmin.
2. From the same line, we know that King Deshret has a golden eye. It might not be obvious in English as it said "Like the eye that shone with a golden light ", in Chinese it is "如灿金的独目", literally meaning "like a single eye of brilliant gold". Coincidentally, the Traveller twins have golden eyes, which means King Deshret and the twins share the same eye color.
Also, I think new weapon story of "Beacon of the Reed Sea" is quite interesting. Hope to see your intepretation on it!
I swear, one day you'll find a way to connect Klee's left shoe to the 2nd coming.
Few problems with this theory:
1. The stars are not the same the khaenri'ah star is 8 pointed and deshret is 10 pointed
2. Though Deshret does not like to be called a god he still is (3 gods that ruled sumeru ect.)
3. The timeline of events
4. The area of deshrets grave (wierd lake not the chasm)
5. The sigils for the puzzle as well as the statues were made during the time of primordial one
Minor corrections it is called as 3 God-Kingof Sumeru. Other than that I wholeheartedly agree with you. This theory is a bit off because of the reason you specify. Putting that asides
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I also would like to add because King Irmin and King Dehsret share a similarity doesn't mean they are the same person. I feel more like they are separate people who shared the same ideology. Mainly because I feels like what Hoyoverse trying to achieve here is they try to show us 'example' of past sinners who tried to topple and over throne their authority. People like King Dehsret and King Irmin is the rebels who tried to topples them but failed. Not to forget the original kingdom in Dragonspine also got wiped out by Celestia for almost getting the same level of power as Celetia thou they never rebels against them. All this kingdom being destroyed just like trying to leave lesson to the rest of the people on Teyvat 'Do not challenge me or try to come close to my power'
I'm pretty sure if the sinner can defy time and space then he could teleport from sumeru desert to the chasm. And I'm pretty sure we already "met" him in liyue back in the "we will be reunited" quest.
Deshret was sealed way before the cataclysm so I don't see the problem with the timeline.
Ashikai did say that enkanomiya, khanreh'a and desert architecture looked alike so that could link those areas together (kinda).
And deshret was a god but he rebelled against celestial (therefore explaining the title of sinner) just like Lucifer was an angle but then became a fallenangle
Honestly these problems just make it seem impossible to be King Deshret
Also Deshret was friends with two other gods. Khaenrianhs DESPISE the gods. I seriously doubt King Irmin could remain friends with the gods without sparking some kind of revolution within the kingdom. Deshret CANNOT be king irmin.
I absolutly agree with you.
And Al-Ahmar is friend with Nabu Malikata and Rhukadevatta, he was in love with Nabu (Bilqis), Ybis King, crocodile King etc... why would he destroy and or kill his "familly" ????
I really wish we get a hint of Celestia's side of the story in Fontaine, because we just see things from the fatui side and from khaenri'ah/abyss side, yet Celestia is out of the picture,
Hope that in the end we get to choose to side between the fatui, the abyss, and Celestia with a fourth option of not siding with anyone
Fr and Nahida said that they are asleep so maybe because of that ? I think people are too Quick to side with Kaenri'ha its suspicious
@@Sacration deshret destroyed his own civilization, if he and the goddess of flowers saw that humans don't need gods then they could've just let their people rule themselves, like liyue and mondstadt, they're a good example of how to make a place for humans to rule themselves without having to challenge trying to overthrow the heavens,
Also the dumb ass coused all of the sand storms, alazar, weathering zones, and almost killed all of sumeru, just because he didn't want gods to rule over humans, while literally killing thousands if not millions of his own people in the process,
and the godess of flowers deserved to be cast out of heaven with how stupid she is, she could have told him "your idea if fucking stupid and is ganna kill us all" no although she herself Warned him about the dangers if what he's doing, SHE still HELPED HIM IN HIS STUPID PLANS ANYWAY!,
dooming the paradise they built together with rukka and
speaking of rukka, she proved to be a true god of wisdom by recognizing that her friends are stupid and she pulled a "fuck this shit i'm out" and when to create the rain forast, yet she still came back to the rescue when the wet shit hit the fan and stopped the destruction of sumeru and possiblly the world,
and khaenri'ah are the same thing they started the cataclysm, almost killing EVERYONE and if it wasn't for Celestia stepping in when the archons failed we wouldn't probably have a teyvat to begin with,
yet they have the audacity to be mad at the gods for punishing them for the shit they coused,
And i know dain claims that khaenri'ah controlled the problem before Celestia nuked the place but i feel like he's in denial just because his inner reddit atheist doesn't wanna admit the gods were right,
I think when Nahida threatened to destroy the gnosis in front of the Doctor that that was a foreshadowing. Something important to Celestia will be destroyed/ disturbed. And then we can see if they presumably will react (or not). This is like seeing a gun as a decoration in a movie. The gun will most likely be used later on.
@@silentwitch8950 I imagined that in the Fontaine archon quest the hydro gnosis will be destroyed and it would actually awake the heavenly principals, and they might not be happy about the gnosis being destroyed,
@@mitab1 Wow you might be into something.
It might also happen in Natlan, the pyro archon sacrifice herself by destroying the Gnosis
I wonder how the a fact that Deshret literally sacrificed himself to get rid of the forbidden knowledge pollution plays into this theory.
About Liloupar recognizing the Traveller as a "shadow of their master", I think that maybe she meant the Goddess of Flowers, not Deshret. It was SHE who taught King Deshret about the Abyss when he asked for a way to defy Fate. And isn't this precisely what happened with Khaenriah and the Sibling? A king wanted a way to defy Fate, then a traveller from "beyond" answers them, and their kingdom fall to ruins?
Yes, I just suggested that the Goddess of Flowers is a descender herself, hence why the Traveller reminded Liloupar of her.
Also Kaveh has far more connections to Nabu Malikata than Al-Ahmar tbh
Thing is, Nabu Malikata IS a Seelie who retained their mind, not... something else.
Nah Goddess of Flowers is a Seelie.
Nah that's a stretch@@Sacration
@@AndrewsMobs lmao his constations name and shards litteraly litteraly link him to the goddess of flowers what are u talking about
Completing the Quest = No
Watching Ashikai Explaining the Quest = YES
Forget dirge of balqis, I don't even wanna touch dual evidence 😂.
i literally skip through the voice lines on every quest because i know i won't pick up on any important lore points (except obvious ones) and just wait for the theorists to do their magic and watch their videos 💀
actually the voiceline were awesome
@@whyjoonsad thats really sad...
@@Infelious that i can't make connections easily? i listen to all voice lines in archon quests and any additional quests im interested in. i kind of rushed my comment earlier. basically i just meant i don't bother theorizing as i'm playing because i'm not as good going in depth as these theorists do. i just put quests on auto play and only pause if theres a big lore drop in the text!
Another point I forgot, "samiel" is actually a kind of strong, dusty wind found in Arabian deserts (also called simoom). I think the wall of Samiel is a reference to that type of wind, not a person/figure, as the purpose of the wall is to block sandstorm.
Perfectly timed release. Gonna enjoy the juicy Genshin lore from Ashikai with my dinner. Bless and thank you for your hard works!! Please get your deserved rest when you finished the contents you wanted 🙏
I want to see that sitcom "King Deshret and the Ibis King were roommates" 😆People were saying that the dynamic between Alhaitham and Kaveh makes them Sumeru's Diluc and Kaeya, which hits different now!
A thought- if the twins are heirs to the Abyss, then why would the Heavenly Principles stop them from leaving Teyvat again, citing that the "arrogation of mankind stops now"? Implying that mankind would continue to be "stolen" UNLESS they stay. Which seems to put her in opposition to Celestia and not aligned with it like I've been assuming.
In the original Chinese her name can also translate to destiny or fate- which removes her somewhat from "heavenly" and thus also from Celestia. Making her more of a neutral party or, from the Abyss somehow??
Thank you for the reddit links!!
4:44 There's definitely no link in names between Irminsul and king Irmin in chinese original. They're completely different words.
Also, what connects enemies marked by Nahida's skill are definitely not chains, they're vines. They're not made of links. That ornament on her chest is the only thing that may resemble a chain on her clothing but that's where any similarity ends.
Also the ornament looks nothing like chains.
It makes sense that this quest would be sandwiched right between the Liloupar world quest and the final desert area if the sinner ends up being Deshret. Seems like a pretty opportune place to introduce such a character now that we know so much about Deshret. I really like this theory.
Personally I’ve been mulling over the twins being Shades ever since I read Before Sun and Moon. I feel like their interchangeable nature makes them more like two aspects of one being rather than two separate people, and with the whole Caribert quest being about how the twins literally think and react exactly alike, well…
I don’t know if they’re necessarily Shades of the Primordial One, but maybe one twin is a Shade of the other? Or they’re just one being split into two aspects? It might explain why one appears in Irminsul’s records and the other doesn’t. And if they’ve “always been together” why couldn’t that mean physically as well? I think it’s interesting that they’re the only set of twins we’ve encountered in the game so far, and I wonder if Lyney and Lynette are going to be important in that regard lore-wise.
Exactly my thought
Ei and Makoto are also twins
@@magdalenahanychova310 Oh my god. Duh. 😅🤦🏻♀️
@@breezyveezy 😊
they're so powerful it makes me wonder how they can be the human concept of siblings, they seem more like the twins in bioshock infinite case to me
I think the sinner is the one who's obfuscating our sibling's fate for him to look like he's from Teyvat (as Nahida said)
I don’t think Deshret necessarily ever actually ruled over Khaenri’ah, but maybe they saw themselves as continuing Deshret’s legacy. I remember it wasn’t uncommon for ancient rulers to claim they were descendants of biblical figures in order to give themselves more legitimacy, so maybe the kings of Khaenri’ah said they were (or actually were) Deshret’s heirs. So Khaenri’ah wouldn’t technically be the twins’ homeland, but it would be a spiritual continuation of it. That would make sense with how only one of the twins identifies with Khaenri’ah.
Deshret could have been from the twins’ actual home and escaped its destruction just like them, then done all his Sumeru shenanigans. I feel like if the twins were from any of the civilizations we’ve directly encountered, the traveler would have commented or thought something along the lines of “holy shit this looks an awful lot like my house”. But if there were an unbroken line between their original culture and Khaenri’ah, that could be enough to convince the Abyss sibling to call it home. But without all that information, the traveler wouldn’t recognize anything about Khaenri’ah as their own culture.
I'm sorry but "holy shit this looks an awful lot like my house" killed me. tho I do agree
Most likely the crystal is the one who gave Deshret the forbidden knowledge, not Deshret himself.
I think the sinner might be "the second who descended" . It is said that the second waged a war against the primordial one and the primordial one caged the second after the war ended. Abyss might be the power of the second and abyssal monsters are his creations.
In the paradise artifact set , the goddess of wisdom warns king Desreth to not seek the truth of the master of shades or the primordial one (mans insane , he rains celestial nails and destroys civilizations) and hence Desreth might have seeked the abyss' master for the knowledge of the world due to which the "forbidden knowledge" has cursed the Irminsul.
Primordial one was said to love humanity, current Celestia's behaviour doesn't match that.
@@AndrewsMobsyes of course, but he also warns the human not falling to the other knowledge outside Teyvat too
@@AndrewsMobshe loves his creation but he also warns them not falling in wrong thing. It just likes the story the Adam and Eva . God is good , love his creation but he is also punished the people if they are against his will
That's just your speculation, Primordial One waged war for 40 years just to get land for humans. @@35-tranthicamtu35
same, when Liloupar mentions we resemble her old master i thought it was very suspicious but i quickly brushed it away with the idea that most of the characters we meet do like the traveler at first glance ... i thought it was just mc tropes lol
Building on your Irmin section, I had a few thoughts with a pal:
Let's rewind to Kaeya's surname, Alberich. We know that this royal line created the Abyss Order. We don't know too much about what Irmin did or whatnot, but we know his name is Irmin.
He's a king of K-Town, and we also know he only has one eye. Irmin is actually another name for "Odin," which coincidentally, has a very specific story.
In order to gain the power to control fate, Odin hung himself from the world tree and lost an eye.
If we fast forward and take a look at the quest item we got from the Sumeru archon quest, as you pointed out in the video, the branch reads:
"Trees also symbolize widsom. In one of the legends, a sage hanging upside down on a tree had acquired the knowledge of how to inscribe runes and control sacred words, and thus followedt he kingdom established along the tree's roots, eventually gaining a glimpse into the secret of the cosmos."
You see how the description matches the story of Odin? From this, we can hypothesize that the sage was King Irmin who gained cosmic knowledge from the irminsul and taught it to K-Town.
Revisiting "Irmin = Odin" (who has one eye, and was the king of K-Town), we also know that there were royal knights serving him.
If we go into the chasm, coincidentally, we find that the royal knights of K-Town are an enemy type, and drop a very particular item that was featured in the video, the Statuettes, which are literally Irmin's face, the king with one eye.
The description of these items are also very interesting. Let's focus on the rarest drop:
"A one-eyed carving that emanates an ominous energy, with no indication of what it's made of. As you gaze upon this idol, you can almost hear a strange, conforting whisper... 'See my child. All that lies under the throne of heaven shall be destroyed by upheavel. The eternal peace of the pitch-dark void shall embrace us all.'"
*A STRANGE AND COMFORTING WHISPER*
Where have we heard this before? From the Sinner. The Sinner, IMO, is King Irmin.
King of Khaenri'ah who gained immense knowledge from irminsul.
All Khaenri'ah citizens bow and feel comfortable when his presence is around.
*Even Dainsleif is affected.* And why? Because he's a pure-blood Khaenri'an.
Hence, that's why I believe the voice from the crystal, is Irmin. Irmin, the Sinner.
However, I DID miss the detail of King Deshret and the crystal. So this could be quite the interesting development!
from how well everything is connected I think they have had a very clear baseline for the whole story from the beginning
They absolutely did. Travail made that pretty clear, but even things like 1.0's Lisa quest have been shown to have deep significance. Also, one of the fictional book series in the game was accidentally left in the game and was datamined, despite only the first volume being available in-game. I refuse to read it, but they've absolutely written at least rough draft/bullet points of the world's history.
Sumeru lore is literally deepfrying my brain but whenever we get more of it I just can't wait to get my hands on it.
And also I want to thank you for all your work
Me too... I love Sumeru to death but every time I learn something new about it I fry a new area in my brain.
I loved this quest so much!!!! Cant wait to see more from you!
I see what you did there ;)
Windblume event theory basically adds another weight to Diluc story
Brother a prince
Mom a witch
Dad is a possible harbringer
@@ella-mariefilinto-sequeira2157 im very punny arent i?
@@sureyeah3678 diluc should be the main character
@@melanie2379 his young self would definitely be a good shounen protag
I have some other thoughts about the voice in the Traveler's head. The voice says, "dear creature, why do you bow down," and mentions "a power that you covet" and tells them to "transcend." I think this was directly to the Traveler (or the Traveler's sibling as they were in their place) and shows just how different our Traveler's actions are from their sibling. They probably bowed down to the sinner like Chlothar did and was a little more receptive to the power. This is opposed to our Traveler, who knows that the Abyss is evil and dangerous and doesn't even dare to bow down to it, let alone side with it.
As for your Deshret theory, I didn't think about how much it actually made sense until you said it. I have my own thoughts about how that could've gone about, but that would make this comment longer than it is. I'll probably write a HoyoLab post on this later and just edit a link in once I've written it because I have SO many thoughts about that.
love the video! all of it does seem to make sense, the only thing that bothers me is why the twins don't have eyes similar to Dain? I feel like they've been so consistent with that design element in so many other instances, it just feels weird that the twins don't have this trait...
Yeah, if they truly are Khaenri'an... why not have them have THE thing we know Khaenri'ans for? They could just made it very faint, like Kaeya's if they didn't want it to be too obvious, But no, they have pretty regular eyes.
I also thought of that immediately.
im pretty sure that ashikai makes the point in one of her prev videos that the twins are fully summoned beyond teyvat and they just answered the call of khaenria so they could be royalty but not necessarily by blood? especially if they are directly related to the primordial one which would make the family tree even more insane
@@elan5614 I think she said Traveler Siblings are Khaenri’ahns, and have the same royal bloodline as King Irmin, but they were the type of royals who traveled across the universe, when the cataclysm happened, they were summoned back.
Btw, I think between King Irmin and The Twins, the twins should be older because from what I remember they witnessed the birth of stars or something. So maybe The Twin siblings have another relative (p.s idk why Primordial Humans Project pops up in my mind rn) that married someone with star-shaped pupils (idk why I imagine it was the Seelie that fell in love with a human, lol) and that’s where King Irmin's direct ancestor came from, that’s why King Irmin (that Ashi theorized is also King Deshret) got the twin's looks but has different star-shaped pupils that are later inherited by all pure-blood Khaenriahns in the future. But if King Irmin = Deshret, shouldn’t there be more star -shape -pupils-human in Sumeru? IDK, my brain is exploding rn and my limited English is not helping. 😂
Deshy's eye was multicolored. Also, if he's a relative, that would make him a descender- Dain, Kaeya, and any other primogem-eyed Teyvatians are NOT descenders, so why would they have the same strange amber eyes?
....huh... with what we know now after Fontaine, perhaps this means Deshret was the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the gnoses...
ESPECIALLY since it's said he mastered all of the elements.
And they explicitly bring up the Third Descender being dead (and the fact that their remains were used in the gnoses) as a *big deal* in the Fontaine quests.. which isnt too long after questing our way through all of Deshret's related quests in Sumeru. Narratively, it makes sense they're connected.
This ALSO all happened within the same time that we had our "flashback" to our abyss sibling discovering some chained purple crystal capable of undoing a hilichurl's curse as part of the founding of the Abyss Order...
If the Sinner is Deshret and the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the gnoses, it makes sense that the only power the Sinner currently has is the "forbidden knowledge" or power of darkness (as Apep referred to it) because then Deshret's mastery of the 7 normal elements of Teyvat were all removed from him in order to create the 7 gnoses, which are each directly tied to one specific element.
And if THAT all adds up, then that's why Khaen'riah and the Abyss Order rely on the power of darkness so much - because that's the only "mastery" he has left after the other 7 masteries were all taken from him.
I'm currently hoping Natlan reveals some deep lore to us about the identity of the Second Descender, because I feel like THAT is the only real puzzle piece missing in order to figure out the full timeline of Teyvat's past... and where the future of the game will go as we head to Snezhnaya and beyond.
Irmin was the last king of Khaenriah, which collapsed 500 years ago. But King Deshret lived at least 2000 years ago before the Archon war broke out. How could they be the same person?
Agree. You bring up a good point.
A thought i've had when talking about the irminsul drawing from the abyss makes me think of the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta in honkai. Where the abyss is a mass of random information and what not and that Irminsul takes in this information and filters it and distributes it throughout the leylines and the reason forbidden knowledge is harmful is because it's unfiltered information from the abyss. The reason it drives people mad and corrupts them and the land on a physical level because that information would then be directly injected into Irminsul without being properly filtered.
I hope I live long enough to finish and understand all of Genshin’s Lore. 😂 Thank you so much for your hard work, Ashi! ❤
I also find it interesting how both the Archons have Chess Pieces and King Deshret seemed to love Chess 🤔
Never thought about it this way but that seems interesting
in hindsight, the terrorshroom was (probably) just an excuse to put a Peacock in the underground of Sumeru incase we didn't get it.
After playing the latest quest, I can't wait for you to re-visit and talk about this.
You know, what is really strange? This crystal was in Enkanomiya ruins, not Chasm. At least, i have that feeling because of music (which was clearly Enkanomiyan all the way), trees, light and vibes, Enkanomiya is more bluish colors, and Chasm uses more yellow. Don't know if there are differences in architecture, but if there are, maybe it is different as well?
I’m just thinking… we are only in Sumeru, and the plot is getting all of this reveals and intricacies. WHAT ON EARTH AWAITS US IN THE 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0 VERSIONS. I’M EXCITED AND SCARED AT EQUAL PART
Something that's been bugging me is the story never really explained HOW Rukkhadevata eradicated Forbidden Knowledge from Teyvat both times. The only mentions we get are from Rukkhadevata that 1) her experience from when Deshret unleashed the Forbidden Knowledge helped, and 2) she used the collection of dreams to do it. Like how's that supposed to work? I've been mostly assuming that it's just a fantasy mechanism that's too convoluted to try to really imagine and explain without boring us so they just wrote it off, but was there actually more to learn about it? For example, maybe she used dreams as some sort of a channel to send all Forbidden Knowledge to Deshret who's already bathing in it?
Food for thought on the matter: the cause of the Traveler experiencing the Abyss Twin's memory about meeting who might be Deshret is a ley line disorder, but how they experienced it is through having a dream.
Chasm only becomes the place for Hilichurls to return to die at AFTER some recent event there - presumably the Abyss Order messing with the fountain.
Why do you think the Traveler is also a prince of Khaenri'ah? Liloupar's comments probably refer to her real mistress the Goddess of Flowers, not Deshret. Deshret is dead and as she keeps saying, the true name servitude lasts only until death.
In any case if either were considered heirs to Khaenri'ahs throne per se, then Chlothar's regency would be a regency waiting upon one of the Twins to take up the throne. Yet even the Sibling is still only called Prince.
So in regards to the Artifact = Primordial one + 4 shades theory, what if Deshret is the goblet and since a shade of the primordial one.
That way he would also be a descender and the goblet imagery fits with his grail themes. Furthermore there is this diamond portrayed on the goblet possibly also referring to him
goblet of eonotheum....goblet of emptiness....goblet of the abyss??
I had so many thoughts during this, yet the first one I put into words was: Oh so that's why Kaveh is out there expecting Alhaitham to treat him like royalty in his own house
Who's here after 4.7
Dain's Brother, Vedrfolnir
When the crystal drops back into the water 5:50, you can see it makes a Sun shape that is eclipsed just like the Spiral Abyss Moon Spire. Also to make the bright color in the middle for the eclipsed Sun, it's made up of 2 other circles with one being golden and the other a deepen blue. It isn't to farfetched to call it a Sun and Moon.
Paradisaea is actually a reference to the garden of Flowers (from "Orchard of Pairidaeza") which is a motif commonly used for Nabu or the goddess of flowers
No, Ashikai is correct, Paradisaea is the genus (scientific name) of the bird of paradise (animal bird), it has nothing to do with flowers.
It’s fascinating to see king Deshret’s character match with king Solomon but also with Egyptian god Ra. While he also resembles of Gilgamesh. Especially his obsession for immortality.
I just got reminded that the abyss twin has a cool blade meanwhile we always have or appear with the dull blade 🙁
This Deshret guy's name keeps on coming up from various places but with different monickers. I'm so desperate to know more about him and who the guy really is. I firmly believe that we still have one more archon quest chapter for Sumeru and that's the Travail Trailer chapter. The Truth Among the Pages of Purana.
We already had that. Its the Kalpas chapter. Its just renamed more accurately. The two litteraly means the same thing
Everytime i watch your videos it feels like Yanfei just telling stories to us
Little correction, Charlemagne, Chlothar I and Charibert I were not French kings as you claimed in two videos now. France didn't exist at that point in time and the Franks(≠French) where a Germanic tribe and kingdom.
After Charlemagne's death his son ruled the Frankish Kingdom(≠France) and after his death the kingdom was split into three parts. Two of the three parts (West Francia) would later in history become what today is France and the third part (East Francia) would later become what today is Germany.
Right, I will post here my theories on Khaenri'ah that popped up from this quest.
One (minor) correction: Charlemagne and his forefathers were *Franks* not *French,* the French identity would only start from Hugh Capet in 987 when West-Francia from the Carolingians was succeeded by the Kingdom of France under the Capetians. Although, just as you said with the Knights Templar, Hoyo will have probably mucked them up together because 'semantics'.
ANYWAY, Stay with me, because IRL Frankish (and Dutch) history ties in creepily well with Khaenri'ah.
IRL, Chlothar's father, Clovis, was the first King of the Franks that united all seperate Frankish groups under one banner, and the first CATHOLIC/Christian Frankish ruler to boot. Even though the Roman Empire before had considered Christianity as its state religion, at the fringes of the empire (aka the Low Countries (Belgium+Netherlands) where the Franks had their main power base) this wasn't really an enforced thing so a lot of Germanic people were still worshippers of the old Germanic/Norse pantheon *cough Odin cough.*
After roughly 300 years of dynastic inheritance shenanigans, Charlemagne became Emperor of the 'Holy Roman Empire', crowned by the Pope.
This was the first time after the Fall of the (Western) Roman Empire that a major 'centralised' empire had arisen, and in contrast to the old polytheistic empire, this one was Christian aka they *did away of the old gods of both Germanic and Roman mythology,* similar to how Khaenri'ah did away with the Seven and Celestia and with their own King as leader (which could possibly be tied to a Biblical figure now?)
After Charlemagne's death, the Empire was split in three (West-, Middle- and East-Francia) but Middle was quickly broken up and absorbed by the other two. These two states would eventually form *France* and *Germany* (and eventually spit out the before-mentioned Low Countries again but we'll get there).
Now, after Khaenri'ah's fall, the direct survivors were split into two groups: the pure-blooded ones, becoming cursed with immortality, and the non-pure-blooded ones, getting cursed to become Hilichurls. OR perhaps also a THIRD group, which became the Abyssal Creatures before the Order was established which could correlate with Middle Francia where they were eventually kinda put together with one of the other two groups.
Now, as history would go on, both France and the Holy Roman Empire/Germany had a BIG role in the development of Alchemy in the late Middle Ages, with two major figures being Nicholas Flamel (France) and Heinrich Agrippa (Germany). Khaenri'ah's main source of power and progress was... alchemy. even later in history, during the Enlightenment and Second Industrial Revolution, both France and Germany would *again* play a massive role in the development of chemistry, which is basically a better and improved continuation of alchemy.
On the religious side, the Dutch Republic became a place where a lot of people from all across Europe would come together to publish their (to the Catholic Church) sinful thoughts about the Church and religion as a whole, just like Khaenri'ah became a place where people from all over Teyvat that did not worship the Seven and Celestia would unite.
Now about Alberich.
in the 11th century, one Alberic of Citeaux was one of the founders of the Cistercian order, which was based on the rules of Saint Benedict, and the thoughts of one Bernard of *Fontaine.* After roughly 100 years, this Cistercian order started to expand from France to the Low Countries (Belgium and Netherlands, here we are again!), where they started land reclamation projects to establish more fertile land to build and practice agriculture on, in the areas that in the past couple of centuries had been flooded and destroyed due to climate change and war.
Khaenri'ah/Abyss Order under the regent Alberich clan wants to go back to their homeland. Kaeya Alberich is Khaenri'ah's 'last hope'. The Abyss Order wants to *rebuild their homeland*, just like how the land in the Low Countries, *the former homeland of the Franks,* was reconquered and rebuilt.
The similarities are REALLY creepy.
I love ashikais content, you're my favourite lore content creator because you always make it so interesting and you present important evidence that are easy to follow.
Personally I think forbidden knowledge is like "meta" knowledge (like an NPC knowing they're in a game; that kind of meta) or cosmic knowledge that is so mind-breaking and so fundamentally incompatible with (Teyvatian) human thought that the Ley Lines reflect that widespread mental distress and "horrible knowledge" in the form of the dark muck, and viceversa: People who have had contact with forbidden knowledge, have had their memories permanently engraved into the Ley Lines, making the knowledge, the muck and the pain persist after death. If Karmic debt and Tatarigami are a Ley Line disorder caused by the negative emotions of fell gods, then abyssal muck is a Ley Line disorder caused by severe and chronic existential dread.
Forbidden Knowledge behaves a lot like eldritch knowledge. Things that are completely incomprehensible. Given that Irminsul has parallels to computer data and storage, I would argue that in that context, it's like data encoded in a format different than what the current operating system can read, so when a mind tries to read it, it comes back as incomprehensible garbage, creating metaphorical brain damage. It's "knowledge" because it is comprehensible to being who are able to decode it, but it is nothing but destructive to those who are not.
@@effortlessfury kinda, yeah
just finished the quest last night so this is perfect
I love your videos they are sooooo mind blowing. Therer are so much information about Genshin Lore and myths and storys of the real world. Please keep making these videos because the are soo cool
The sheer quantity of dots to connect even in such short quest is crazy, so much info, always good to listen to you unravel it a bit so I know a tad more about what is going on
Honestly, I'm here for Dottore burning Irminsul down. This tree just seems to cause more problems than it's worth. I wonder if the Fatui would be able to create their own knowledge tree and perfect it without having to worry about the issue of a erasing history from peoples minds and stuff.
Today is my birthday. Thank you for the video, Ashikai. I was very excited to see part 2 and it came out today. :3
fun fact: if you lower the brightness in genshin from the settings you’ll get a similar effect to RTX
This is probably one of the most interesting theory videos ive ever seen :D
I saw many theories and recaps from other channels but your explanation is the best out of everyone I know, I completely understood what you were talking about and listened from start to end, very good storytelling! I can't wait for the next video too😁
In the Eternal oasis the broken buildings that you can move in time have the shape and motifs of the unified civilization.
Please make a video going into depth about Kaveh and Deshret I'd love to hear!!
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What a great Vid and compilation. I will need to re-watch this a couple times just to process all the information in it and see how it relates to my own theories.
For me I didn't even consider the whole "Sinner" = a piece of Deshrit until I was watching Islands brain storming who the sinner was. And now I am suspecting that the thing Gold might have found with Albedo (Heart of Naberius) might effectively be a mini-cystral of what we saw during this quest. What this can lead to; well, I don't quite know yet.
To think you and IslandXD are theorizing in the same direction, falls into the realm of two great minds thinking alike ! Keep up the great theory crafting, its great to consume !
The more I think about your points the more they add up, this theory is actually insanely plausible.
Is it just me or are all beings associated with wind/anemo kinda against celestia? like deshret is "son of the sky" is theorized to control anemo and he is against the devine. We don't know much about decarabian but he did create a wall of wind so no one could pass and well does that include celestia? Boreas was next in like for being the Anemo archon but refused immediately like deshret and it can't be that he is just disappointed in humanity considering he is also known to take in children if they get lost like razor. Venti every time he talks about celestia it's negative either nervous (manga) or in his voicelines being like "i wouldn't go there even if i was invited".
I think that the Twins didn’t show up in Teyvat during the Cataclysm but way, way back when the war of the second throne was happening. I think they were summoned back to Teyvat and immediately sealed away by the Unknown God. Later Khanriah figured out how to unseal one of the twins. So I don’t think the twins are the descendants of Desheret, but actually older than him, his ancestors, or the same people from beyond the stars, like maybe the Primodial One. Then 500 years later, someone unsealed the sibling.
Ooh, fascinating! I'm of the opinion that Paimon is the one who unsealed the Traveler, though I only believe that to be true because I like to believe that Paimon is a former Heavenly Principle or that she's somehow related to Celestia and just exhausted her power in the same way Rukkadevata did. The lore behind her name is fascinating and really reveals a lot about where Hoyoverse might be going with Paimon as a character.
I really liked this one! Gave some real food for thought. The only thing that doesn´t sit right with me (with the info we have) are the siblings being originaly from Tevat. But I can imagine Deshret maybe being from their original homeland and becoming one of the descenders. A distant relative but more likely justa kin that once lived where they did as well. Maybe he tried to bring the old glory to Tevat as well and that´s why the abyss sibling sees it as their duty to protect the "resurection of homeland"
i'm ready for the weekly brainfrying! on a sidenote, while i think the evidence for king deshret literally being king irmin is strong, i' not fully convinced, just because of the fact that we still have at least 2 more nations until snezhnaya and we really don't know anything about natlan, so unless the entire history of teyvat is revealed somewhere along fontaine and then the rest of story focuses on the fatui, i feel like we still have more to learn, especially since it's now been basically confirmed that one of the heksenzirkel's member was not only able to directly communicate with the traveler through telepathy like nahida, but also is fully aware of the changes made to the irminsul and apparently that these aren't actually changes in reality but more so memory wipes.
This was super interesting! I'm pretty near-convinced now that the Sinner is Irmin, and likely also Deshret. Just makes too much sense with everything we know. Though this game likes to throw curveballs, so I guess we'll see.
In regards to the twig using "sage" instead of "king": There are examples in our world of those words being used interchangeably. One of the most famous examples are Caspar, Melchior and Balthazar who are interchangeably called either kings, magi, or wise men. And what is a sage if not a wise man?
I knew video was going to be incredible. Thanks for all your great work!
This video is a perfect example of why your channel is my favorite when it comes to Genshin lore
Kaveh being a 4* like kaeya is more interesting to me bf if he is essentially a type of reincarnation of the scarlet king, then this is the second 4* that is heavily tied to the past and overall story of tevat. However i think unlike kaeya, he will be very indirect.
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Ningguang as Guizhong reincarnated was close to being correct until Hoyo says "screw you"
Never clicked in a theory video this fast.
Me and my brother have had this theory for a while now, that the twins are originally from Teyvat but from a different time period (all the wibbley wobbly timey liney stuff aside and before the 7 dragon lords ruled it)before they left to travel.
Since time works differently in space by the time they came back to their home world it had changed drastically to one they didn't recognise and thought of it as a different planet. Since there had be in essence two massive changes.
Dainslief(Travail): "Then, the threads of all fate will be yours to reweave"
Loved the video! Really reminded me of ur world structure series with such in-depth concepts into a very bizarre but highly intriguing plot. Now if the twins r relatives to deshrat and r from teyvat (or they could be descenders), i wonder how the world mentioned in the descension weapon and glider ended and whether it will have more relevence in the future. Im so curious to learn abt genshins lore outside of teyvat and stuff its all just SO SO FUN !
Every theory crafter : **Somehow reaches similar theories**
Hoyo : **Confused panik**
Eh, a good storyteller is doing something wrong if their audience can't follow the trail they are laying down. Those people who like to put in a sUrPrISe TwIst!!11! nobody can see coming are just doing it wrong, imho.
Candace is a descendant of King Deshret and her amber eye is the same color as the travelers so yes I think the twins and Deshret are related which means we are related to candace
side note: the VA for Nahida is also the VA for Teriri from Honkai, whom also, uses a cross with chains as her main weapon.
What if king of desert was Aether and the current abyss princes Lumine is us before Aether reborn and came back. When we reach the end Lumine will "die" and reborn as star and land to monstad's beach. So this would be our 3rd playthrough. Every single time we end up "dead" but we change history everytime. Like hangout quests but with history of Tayvat.
im a little skeptical of desheret being irmin because that means irmin liked the goddess of flowers. i kinda want to know how the timeline flows together.
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Eait whats confusing about the timeline? The thing that doesnt add up is if Rukka sealed him then how did be king of Khanreiah? Otherwise the rest makes sense.
@@soulstealer5625 i just want more lore
@Adda Yang dain please come back rather than another goddammit year
You catch basically everything so I normally have very little to add, but the eight pointed star reminds me of the star of Ishtar @Ashikai
Who knows maybe dain it's the one who is messing around with the layline so the travel can see the past memory of there sibling
Bless Ashikai for a Sunday video
I expected a lot of things in this part 2 but never a grail quest. You are a gem Ash.
When you mentioned that the Goddess of flower is the union of a selie and human the Nephilim's suddenly pops out of my head. They are born by the union of human and angels some stories of Nephilim states that they are not allowed to be born in this world because they have power that can cause imbalance that would bring chaos and disaster to the world. That is why it is forbiden for an angel and human to have a child.